Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:24 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > >>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:27 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >>> >>> >>> Certainly this is a concern of all incoming podlings though, isn't it? >>> Isn't the goal of Incubator to ensure, as much as possible, that the >>> podling DOES develop into a community? So why the overdue concern, if >>> overdue is correct, about this one? >> >> It is a general concern of mine and I think that the IPMC should discuss >> these concerns more often. How is another thread. >> > > FTR, I agree, which is obvious since I am someone who frequently points out > the concern w/ many podlings graduating w/o a clear (IMHO) understanding of > the Apache Way. And I know that the general concern was one reason and > rationale for the Petri proposal as well. Petri is intended to help existing open source project communities decide within their community if the Apache Way and the ASF is right for their community. The community can choose to do this publicly or privately. There are three possible results: become a TLP, incubate, or something else. It is not designed to replace the Incubator. > Also, FTR, I lately have not been encouraging potential projects to join the > ASF, but this one seems well suited, and is one reason why I agreed to > Champion it. We are all volunteers and need to make our own choices. > > I just wanted to ensure that this particular podling proposal was not being > unduly focused upon, for whatever reason, consciously or unconsciously. I think that all of us bring some biases from our experience. Perhaps the Incubator should discuss the proposal process and score which aspects of the Apache Way are in good shape vs which are more of a concern. Some areas; - Few active developers. - Single company development. - Licensing issues in the code base - Licensing issues with dependencies Regards, Dave > > Cheers. > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
Hi Jim, Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:07 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > >> On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:28 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 2:30 AM David Nalley wrote: >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:55 PM Justin Mclean >>> wrote: ...I’d suggest that if this is a know issue, that a different name be selected before entering incubation, as name changes cost Infra time and effort. >>> I'd wholeheartedly agree with Justin. >>> Changing after entering incubation merely generates needless makework >>> for Infra in renaming mailing lists, websites, setting up redirects,.. >> >> +1, renaming before incubation makes things much easier. >> >> I think it's fine for the incoming podling to use a >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH ticket for >> that name change, to avoid having to do that again later. >> > > Agreed. Is there anyone against doing both a VOTE and a PODLINGNAMESEARCH in > parallel, with the understanding that even upon a successful VOTE, the Infra > will not be done until the name is changed? This will prevent the (potential) > podling from having to go thru the rigamarole of changing their name if the > are NOT accepted. > > Dave, is that OK? I’m fine with parallelism. Thanks! Regards, Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
The naming was not the focusing upon part which I was referring to... sorry if that was not obvious based on what I quoted and what I wrote. > On Apr 15, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > > HI, > >> I just wanted to ensure that this particular podling proposal was not being >> unduly focused upon, for whatever reason, consciously or unconsciously. > > All recent podlings have been asked to make sure that their name is suitable > before joining incubation. If we don’t do this Infra may insist that a > posting name search be done before enter incubation, given that can sometime > takes months, I don’t think that’s a workable solution. This has been > discussed before on this list. > > Thanks, > Justin > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
HI, > I just wanted to ensure that this particular podling proposal was not being > unduly focused upon, for whatever reason, consciously or unconsciously. All recent podlings have been asked to make sure that their name is suitable before joining incubation. If we don’t do this Infra may insist that a posting name search be done before enter incubation, given that can sometime takes months, I don’t think that’s a workable solution. This has been discussed before on this list. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:27 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > >> >> Certainly this is a concern of all incoming podlings though, isn't it? Isn't >> the goal of Incubator to ensure, as much as possible, that the podling DOES >> develop into a community? So why the overdue concern, if overdue is correct, >> about this one? > > It is a general concern of mine and I think that the IPMC should discuss > these concerns more often. How is another thread. > FTR, I agree, which is obvious since I am someone who frequently points out the concern w/ many podlings graduating w/o a clear (IMHO) understanding of the Apache Way. And I know that the general concern was one reason and rationale for the Petri proposal as well. Also, FTR, I lately have not been encouraging potential projects to join the ASF, but this one seems well suited, and is one reason why I agreed to Champion it. I just wanted to ensure that this particular podling proposal was not being unduly focused upon, for whatever reason, consciously or unconsciously. Cheers.
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
> On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:28 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 2:30 AM David Nalley wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:55 PM Justin Mclean >> wrote: >>> ...I’d suggest that if this is a know issue, that a different name be >>> selected before entering incubation, as name changes cost Infra time and >>> effort. >> I'd wholeheartedly agree with Justin. >> Changing after entering incubation merely generates needless makework >> for Infra in renaming mailing lists, websites, setting up redirects,.. > > +1, renaming before incubation makes things much easier. > > I think it's fine for the incoming podling to use a > https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH ticket for > that name change, to avoid having to do that again later. > Agreed. Is there anyone against doing both a VOTE and a PODLINGNAMESEARCH in parallel, with the understanding that even upon a successful VOTE, the Infra will not be done until the name is changed? This will prevent the (potential) podling from having to go thru the rigamarole of changing their name if the are NOT accepted. Dave, is that OK? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 2:30 AM David Nalley wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:55 PM Justin Mclean > wrote: > > ...I’d suggest that if this is a know issue, that a different name be > > selected before entering incubation, as name changes cost Infra time and > > effort. > I'd wholeheartedly agree with Justin. > Changing after entering incubation merely generates needless makework > for Infra in renaming mailing lists, websites, setting up redirects,.. +1, renaming before incubation makes things much easier. I think it's fine for the incoming podling to use a https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH ticket for that name change, to avoid having to do that again later. -Bertrand -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:55 PM Justin Mclean wrote: > > HI, > > >>> (2) The community is being called AgensGraph Extension and it is very > >>> likely that the VP, Brand will not approve. > >> > >> Regarding the name: One of the 1st efforts will be a renaming of the > >> project. > > > > Thanks I wanted that acknowledged. > > I’d suggest that if this is a know issue, that a different name be selected > before entering incubation, as name changes cost Infra time and effort. > I'd wholeheartedly agree with Justin. Changing after entering incubation merely generates needless makework for Infra in renaming mailing lists, websites, setting up redirects, etc. --David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
On 2020/04/14 21:54:46, Justin Mclean wrote: > HI, > > >>> (2) The community is being called AgensGraph Extension and it is very > >>> likely that the VP, Brand will not approve. > >> > >> Regarding the name: One of the 1st efforts will be a renaming of the > >> project. > > > > Thanks I wanted that acknowledged. > > I’d suggest that if this is a know issue, that a different name be selected > before entering incubation, as name changes cost Infra time and effort. > > Thanks, > Justin >Thank you, Justin, for your feedback. We are willing to change the naming >anytime upon the confirmation by the champion and mentors. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
HI, >>> (2) The community is being called AgensGraph Extension and it is very >>> likely that the VP, Brand will not approve. >> >> Regarding the name: One of the 1st efforts will be a renaming of the project. > > Thanks I wanted that acknowledged. I’d suggest that if this is a know issue, that a different name be selected before entering incubation, as name changes cost Infra time and effort. Thanks, Justin
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
Hi - Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 14, 2020, at 12:50 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > Answers inline: > >> On Apr 14, 2020, at 1:37 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >> Hi Jim, >> >> I am not sure about this project and have concerns: >> >> (1) If you look at https://bitnine.net/agensgraph/ you will note that >> AgensGraph is a product name. >> >> (2) The community is being called AgensGraph Extension and it is very likely >> that the VP, Brand will not approve. > > Regarding the name: One of the 1st efforts will be a renaming of the project. Thanks I wanted that acknowledged. > >> >> I’m concerned about whether or not this will develop into a community or >> will remain essentially a BitNine community. > > Certainly this is a concern of all incoming podlings though, isn't it? Isn't > the goal of Incubator to ensure, as much as possible, that the podling DOES > develop into a community? So why the overdue concern, if overdue is correct, > about this one? It is a general concern of mine and I think that the IPMC should discuss these concerns more often. How is another thread. Regarding “overdue” I was being asked off line and I suggested that person to reply to the thread. > >> >> I’m also concerned about the experience level of the mentors and we have not >> heard from any of them on this thread. > > Both Kevin and Von are members. How much more experience would you like? > Should I ask for additional Mentor volunteers? This sometimes happens > organically when a VOTE is run, but, as Champion, I can make a specific > request. What qualifications would you accept as reasonable to alleviate your > concern? If someone else volunteers that would help. Regards, Dave > >> >> Regards, >> Dave > > Stay safe! > > Cheers. > >> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:12 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for all the feedback and comments... I will assume that calling for >>> a VOTE is OK at this point and will do so. >>> On Apr 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: We would like to propose AgensGraph as an Apache incubator project. The AgensGraph Extension provides an extension for PostgreSQL to give the users the ability to leverage graph database on top of the existing relational database with minimal effort. The basic principle of the project is to create single storage that can handle both relational and graph model data so that the users can use the standard ANSI SQL along with openCypher (http://www.opencypher.org), the Graph query language. The proposal can be found here: o https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/AgensGraphExtension We would appreciate your feedback and thoughts on the proposal. Cheers! Jim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 14, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > >> On Apr 14, 2020, at 1:37 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >> >> I’m also concerned about the experience level of the mentors and we have not >> heard from any of them on this thread. >> > > You must have missed: > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r06aa2b5fdf9585891fed65b92eeccbfdded3c842188cfad31b7b0ba7%40%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E > Yes, I did. Apple Mail lost the threading. Regards, Dave > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 1:37 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > > I’m also concerned about the experience level of the mentors and we have not > heard from any of them on this thread. > You must have missed: https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r06aa2b5fdf9585891fed65b92eeccbfdded3c842188cfad31b7b0ba7%40%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
Answers inline: > On Apr 14, 2020, at 1:37 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > I am not sure about this project and have concerns: > > (1) If you look at https://bitnine.net/agensgraph/ you will note that > AgensGraph is a product name. > > (2) The community is being called AgensGraph Extension and it is very likely > that the VP, Brand will not approve. Regarding the name: One of the 1st efforts will be a renaming of the project. > > I’m concerned about whether or not this will develop into a community or will > remain essentially a BitNine community. Certainly this is a concern of all incoming podlings though, isn't it? Isn't the goal of Incubator to ensure, as much as possible, that the podling DOES develop into a community? So why the overdue concern, if overdue is correct, about this one? > > I’m also concerned about the experience level of the mentors and we have not > heard from any of them on this thread. Both Kevin and Von are members. How much more experience would you like? Should I ask for additional Mentor volunteers? This sometimes happens organically when a VOTE is run, but, as Champion, I can make a specific request. What qualifications would you accept as reasonable to alleviate your concern? > > Regards, > Dave Stay safe! Cheers. > >> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:12 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >> >> Thanks for all the feedback and comments... I will assume that calling for a >> VOTE is OK at this point and will do so. >> >>> On Apr 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >>> >>> We would like to propose AgensGraph as an Apache incubator project. >>> >>> The AgensGraph Extension provides an extension for PostgreSQL to give the >>> users the ability to leverage graph database on top of the existing >>> relational database with minimal effort. The basic principle of the project >>> is to create single storage that can handle both relational and graph model >>> data so that the users can use the standard ANSI SQL along with openCypher >>> (http://www.opencypher.org), the Graph query language. >>> >>> The proposal can be found here: >>> >>> o https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/AgensGraphExtension >>> >>> We would appreciate your feedback and thoughts on the proposal. >>> >>> Cheers! >>> Jim >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
Hi Jim, I am not sure about this project and have concerns: (1) If you look at https://bitnine.net/agensgraph/ you will note that AgensGraph is a product name. (2) The community is being called AgensGraph Extension and it is very likely that the VP, Brand will not approve. I’m concerned about whether or not this will develop into a community or will remain essentially a BitNine community. I’m also concerned about the experience level of the mentors and we have not heard from any of them on this thread. Regards, Dave > On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:12 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > Thanks for all the feedback and comments... I will assume that calling for a > VOTE is OK at this point and will do so. > >> On Apr 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >> >> We would like to propose AgensGraph as an Apache incubator project. >> >> The AgensGraph Extension provides an extension for PostgreSQL to give the >> users the ability to leverage graph database on top of the existing >> relational database with minimal effort. The basic principle of the project >> is to create single storage that can handle both relational and graph model >> data so that the users can use the standard ANSI SQL along with openCypher >> (http://www.opencypher.org), the Graph query language. >> >> The proposal can be found here: >> >> o https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/AgensGraphExtension >> >> We would appreciate your feedback and thoughts on the proposal. >> >> Cheers! >> Jim >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
Thanks for all the feedback and comments... I will assume that calling for a VOTE is OK at this point and will do so. > On Apr 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > We would like to propose AgensGraph as an Apache incubator project. > > The AgensGraph Extension provides an extension for PostgreSQL to give the > users the ability to leverage graph database on top of the existing > relational database with minimal effort. The basic principle of the project > is to create single storage that can handle both relational and graph model > data so that the users can use the standard ANSI SQL along with openCypher > (http://www.opencypher.org), the Graph query language. > > The proposal can be found here: > >o https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/AgensGraphExtension > > We would appreciate your feedback and thoughts on the proposal. > > Cheers! > Jim > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
On 2020/04/09 19:42:59, Stephen Mallette wrote: > > > > On 2020/04/08 14:02:26, Stephen Mallette wrote: > > > Just a general question from someone who tries to follow what happens in > > > the graph community in general - what is the relationship between > > > "AgensGraph" and "AgensGraph Extensions"? > > > > > >Agensgraph is a fork of Postgres, where the source code was directly > > modified to implement the Cypher query language. Agensgraph Extension > > utilizes Postgre’s extensibility features to add the Cypher query > > languages, without any modification to Postgres’ source code. The > > Agensgraph community requested that it be an extension instead, so we began > > development on Agensgraph Extension > > > Thank you, the difference is clear to me now. I imagine the incubator will > sort out if the naming is a problem from trademark perspectives. > > Again, for my own edification, could you perhaps explain a bit further what > the difference users experience between AgensGraph and AgensGraph > Extensions? Is there some advantage to AgensGraph being an extension to > postgres rather than being embedded as part of the postgres code itself? If > these kinds of questions are answered elsewhere, I'm happy to take a link > and go back to being quiet until the next graph product comes through > Incubator :) > My pleasure, I am glad it is clear now :) So the difference between AgensGraph and AgensGraph Extension when it comes to user experience is that In AgensGraph user needs to migrate their existing data, if any, and follow some steps in this regard whereas in Agensgraph Extension all these steps such as migration are eliminated. In AgensGraph Extension user can use existing data without migration to enable graph database. > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 3:25 PM Eya Badal Abdisho > wrote: > > > > > > > On 2020/04/08 14:02:26, Stephen Mallette wrote: > > > Just a general question from someone who tries to follow what happens in > > > the graph community in general - what is the relationship between > > > "AgensGraph" and "AgensGraph Extensions"? > > > > > >Agensgraph is a fork of Postgres, where the source code was directly > > modified to implement the Cypher query language. Agensgraph Extension > > utilizes Postgre’s extensibility features to add the Cypher query > > languages, without any modification to Postgres’ source code. The > > Agensgraph community requested that it be an extension instead, so we began > > development on Agensgraph Extension. > > > > > > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph > > > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph-ext > > > > > > I see that the README for AgensGraph Extensions says: > > > > > > > AgensGraph Extension, which is a successor of AgensGraph, is developed > > as > > > an extension of PostgreSQL. > > > > > > and I see where the proposal states: > > > > > > > Prior to AgensGraph extension, there was an existing forked project > > which > > > is publicly available as an open-source on the following link: > > > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph > > > > > > > While working on the fork version of this project, we found out that > > > there are increasing voices asking for an extension of AgensGraph. It was > > > then when we decided to develop and work on the extension version to > > > provide more benefits to PostgreSQL users such as easy installation and > > > compatibility. > > > > > > so does all of this just mean that AgensGraph is no longer under > > > development and all new development is for AgensGraph Extensions? Or am I > > > missing the difference between these two projects somehow and how they > > > relate to each other? > > > > > > AgensGraph has been an open source project for about 3 years. There are > > community users who use AgensGraph in their academic projects and others. > > Therefore, AgensGraph will be in maintenance mode (e.g. bug fixes and > > syncing with PostgreSQL version) so that the community users can use > > AgensGraph in their projects continuously. > > AgensGraph Extension has "Extension" in its name because it is being > > developed as an extension of PostgreSQL. AgensGraph is a fork of PostgreSQL. > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 9:43 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < > > > bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > > > The proposal can be found here: > > > > > o > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/AgensGraphExtension > > > > ... > > > > > > > > +1, interesting project IMO and proposal looks good to me! > > > > > > > > -Bertrand > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
OK, good. Thanks for the explanation. Eya Badal Abdisho 于2020年4月10日周五 上午3:24写道： > > > On 2020/04/09 01:09:57, 张铎(Duo Zhang) wrote: > > Feel the same thing. > > > > I see the contributors of these two projects are almost the same so I > > assume that the old AgensGraph is also maintained by the same community > and > > will abandoned? > > > >As also mentioned above AgensGraph has been an open source project for > about 3 years. There are community users who use AgensGraph in their > academic projects and others. Therefore, AgensGraph will be in maintenance > mode (e.g. bug fixes and syncing with PostgreSQL version) so that the > community users can use AgensGraph in their projects continuously. > AgensGraph Extension has "Extension" in its name because it is being > developed as an extension of PostgreSQL. AgensGraph is a fork of PostgreSQL. > > > > > > And an interesting observation is that, the AgensGraph project changed > the > > license to AGPL in the past and then after several month changed back to > AL > > 2.0. > > > > > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph/commit/d27242e3e0c8ef6a94e6785d27e25224836a2c53 > > > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph/commit/4229bf7a7449029c33f194c45ab2afe3ca0b08dc > > > > Mind explaining a bit about the movement? And will this introduce any > legal > > problems? > > > >In the past, there was an internal decision to switch to the AGPL > license. However, it was determined that the benefits of this stricter > license were far outweighed by the negative impacts, as brought to light by > the community of users. Even though Agensgraph and Agensgraph Extension > share a similar name and defined feature set, they are independent > projects, in as much as there is no shared source code, so no legal issue > with the Agensgraph license should affect Agensgraph Extension. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Stephen Mallette 于2020年4月8日周三 下午10:03写道： > > > > > Just a general question from someone who tries to follow what happens > in > > > the graph community in general - what is the relationship between > > > "AgensGraph" and "AgensGraph Extensions"? > > > > > > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph > > > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph-ext > > > > > > I see that the README for AgensGraph Extensions says: > > > > > > > AgensGraph Extension, which is a successor of AgensGraph, is > developed as > > > an extension of PostgreSQL. > > > > > > and I see where the proposal states: > > > > > > > Prior to AgensGraph extension, there was an existing forked project > which > > > is publicly available as an open-source on the following link: > > > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph > > > > > > > While working on the fork version of this project, we found out that > > > there are increasing voices asking for an extension of AgensGraph. It > was > > > then when we decided to develop and work on the extension version to > > > provide more benefits to PostgreSQL users such as easy installation and > > > compatibility. > > > > > > so does all of this just mean that AgensGraph is no longer under > > > development and all new development is for AgensGraph Extensions? Or > am I > > > missing the difference between these two projects somehow and how they > > > relate to each other? > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 9:43 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < > > > bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jim Jagielski > wrote: > > > > > The proposal can be found here: > > > > > o > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/AgensGraphExtension > > > > ... > > > > > > > > +1, interesting project IMO and proposal looks good to me! > > > > > > > > -Bertrand > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
> On Apr 9, 2020, at 11:31 AM, Eya Badal Abdisho > wrote: > > > > On 2020/04/09 01:09:57, 张铎(Duo Zhang) wrote: >> Feel the same thing. >> >> I see the contributors of these two projects are almost the same so I >> assume that the old AgensGraph is also maintained by the same community and >> will abandoned? >> >> As also mentioned above AgensGraph has been an open source project for about >> 3 years. There are community users who use AgensGraph in their academic >> projects and others. Therefore, AgensGraph will be in maintenance mode (e.g. >> bug fixes and syncing with PostgreSQL version) so that the community users >> can use AgensGraph in their projects continuously. > AgensGraph Extension has "Extension" in its name because it is being > developed as an extension of PostgreSQL. AgensGraph is a fork of PostgreSQL. Since AgensGraph is not involved in this podling it is very likely that Apache AgensGraph Extension would not be approved as a project name. While it is not a requirement to change the name before Incubation it is highly recommended that this group find a name that will be approved. Regards, Dave >> >> >> And an interesting observation is that, the AgensGraph project changed the >> license to AGPL in the past and then after several month changed back to AL >> 2.0. >> >> https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph/commit/d27242e3e0c8ef6a94e6785d27e25224836a2c53 >> https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph/commit/4229bf7a7449029c33f194c45ab2afe3ca0b08dc >> >> Mind explaining a bit about the movement? And will this introduce any legal >> problems? >> >> In the past, there was an internal decision to switch to the AGPL license. >> However, it was determined that the benefits of this stricter license were >> far outweighed by the negative impacts, as brought to light by the community >> of users. Even though Agensgraph and Agensgraph Extension share a similar >> name and defined feature set, they are independent projects, in as much as >> there is no shared source code, so no legal issue with the Agensgraph >> license should affect Agensgraph Extension. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> Stephen Mallette 于2020年4月8日周三 下午10:03写道： >> >>> Just a general question from someone who tries to follow what happens in >>> the graph community in general - what is the relationship between >>> "AgensGraph" and "AgensGraph Extensions"? >>> >>> https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph >>> https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph-ext >>> >>> I see that the README for AgensGraph Extensions says: >>> AgensGraph Extension, which is a successor of AgensGraph, is developed as >>> an extension of PostgreSQL. >>> >>> and I see where the proposal states: >>> Prior to AgensGraph extension, there was an existing forked project which >>> is publicly available as an open-source on the following link: >>> https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph >>> While working on the fork version of this project, we found out that >>> there are increasing voices asking for an extension of AgensGraph. It was >>> then when we decided to develop and work on the extension version to >>> provide more benefits to PostgreSQL users such as easy installation and >>> compatibility. >>> >>> so does all of this just mean that AgensGraph is no longer under >>> development and all new development is for AgensGraph Extensions? Or am I >>> missing the difference between these two projects somehow and how they >>> relate to each other? >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 9:43 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < >>> bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote: >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jim Jagielski wrote: > The proposal can be found here: >o >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/AgensGraphExtension ... +1, interesting project IMO and proposal looks good to me! -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
> > On 2020/04/08 14:02:26, Stephen Mallette wrote: > > Just a general question from someone who tries to follow what happens in > > the graph community in general - what is the relationship between > > "AgensGraph" and "AgensGraph Extensions"? > > > >Agensgraph is a fork of Postgres, where the source code was directly > modified to implement the Cypher query language. Agensgraph Extension > utilizes Postgre’s extensibility features to add the Cypher query > languages, without any modification to Postgres’ source code. The > Agensgraph community requested that it be an extension instead, so we began > development on Agensgraph Extension Thank you, the difference is clear to me now. I imagine the incubator will sort out if the naming is a problem from trademark perspectives. Again, for my own edification, could you perhaps explain a bit further what the difference users experience between AgensGraph and AgensGraph Extensions? Is there some advantage to AgensGraph being an extension to postgres rather than being embedded as part of the postgres code itself? If these kinds of questions are answered elsewhere, I'm happy to take a link and go back to being quiet until the next graph product comes through Incubator :) On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 3:25 PM Eya Badal Abdisho wrote: > > > On 2020/04/08 14:02:26, Stephen Mallette wrote: > > Just a general question from someone who tries to follow what happens in > > the graph community in general - what is the relationship between > > "AgensGraph" and "AgensGraph Extensions"? > > > >Agensgraph is a fork of Postgres, where the source code was directly > modified to implement the Cypher query language. Agensgraph Extension > utilizes Postgre’s extensibility features to add the Cypher query > languages, without any modification to Postgres’ source code. The > Agensgraph community requested that it be an extension instead, so we began > development on Agensgraph Extension. > > > > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph > > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph-ext > > > > I see that the README for AgensGraph Extensions says: > > > > > AgensGraph Extension, which is a successor of AgensGraph, is developed > as > > an extension of PostgreSQL. > > > > and I see where the proposal states: > > > > > Prior to AgensGraph extension, there was an existing forked project > which > > is publicly available as an open-source on the following link: > > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph > > > > > While working on the fork version of this project, we found out that > > there are increasing voices asking for an extension of AgensGraph. It was > > then when we decided to develop and work on the extension version to > > provide more benefits to PostgreSQL users such as easy installation and > > compatibility. > > > > so does all of this just mean that AgensGraph is no longer under > > development and all new development is for AgensGraph Extensions? Or am I > > missing the difference between these two projects somehow and how they > > relate to each other? > > > > AgensGraph has been an open source project for about 3 years. There are > community users who use AgensGraph in their academic projects and others. > Therefore, AgensGraph will be in maintenance mode (e.g. bug fixes and > syncing with PostgreSQL version) so that the community users can use > AgensGraph in their projects continuously. > AgensGraph Extension has "Extension" in its name because it is being > developed as an extension of PostgreSQL. AgensGraph is a fork of PostgreSQL. > > > Stephen > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 9:43 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < > > bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > > The proposal can be found here: > > > > o > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/AgensGraphExtension > > > ... > > > > > > +1, interesting project IMO and proposal looks good to me! > > > > > > -Bertrand > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
On 2020/04/08 14:02:26, Stephen Mallette wrote: > Just a general question from someone who tries to follow what happens in > the graph community in general - what is the relationship between > "AgensGraph" and "AgensGraph Extensions"? > >Agensgraph is a fork of Postgres, where the source code was directly modified >to implement the Cypher query language. Agensgraph Extension utilizes >Postgre’s extensibility features to add the Cypher query languages, without >any modification to Postgres’ source code. The Agensgraph community requested >that it be an extension instead, so we began development on Agensgraph >Extension. > > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph-ext > > I see that the README for AgensGraph Extensions says: > > > AgensGraph Extension, which is a successor of AgensGraph, is developed as > an extension of PostgreSQL. > > and I see where the proposal states: > > > Prior to AgensGraph extension, there was an existing forked project which > is publicly available as an open-source on the following link: > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph > > > While working on the fork version of this project, we found out that > there are increasing voices asking for an extension of AgensGraph. It was > then when we decided to develop and work on the extension version to > provide more benefits to PostgreSQL users such as easy installation and > compatibility. > > so does all of this just mean that AgensGraph is no longer under > development and all new development is for AgensGraph Extensions? Or am I > missing the difference between these two projects somehow and how they > relate to each other? > > AgensGraph has been an open source project for about 3 years. There are > community users who use AgensGraph in their academic projects and others. > Therefore, AgensGraph will be in maintenance mode (e.g. bug fixes and syncing > with PostgreSQL version) so that the community users can use AgensGraph in > their projects continuously. AgensGraph Extension has "Extension" in its name because it is being developed as an extension of PostgreSQL. AgensGraph is a fork of PostgreSQL. > Stephen > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 9:43 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < > bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > The proposal can be found here: > > > o > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/AgensGraphExtension > > ... > > > > +1, interesting project IMO and proposal looks good to me! > > > > -Bertrand > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
On 2020/04/09 01:09:57, 张铎(Duo Zhang) wrote: > Feel the same thing. > > I see the contributors of these two projects are almost the same so I > assume that the old AgensGraph is also maintained by the same community and > will abandoned? > >As also mentioned above AgensGraph has been an open source project for about 3 >years. There are community users who use AgensGraph in their academic projects >and others. Therefore, AgensGraph will be in maintenance mode (e.g. bug fixes >and syncing with PostgreSQL version) so that the community users can use >AgensGraph in their projects continuously. AgensGraph Extension has "Extension" in its name because it is being developed as an extension of PostgreSQL. AgensGraph is a fork of PostgreSQL. > > > And an interesting observation is that, the AgensGraph project changed the > license to AGPL in the past and then after several month changed back to AL > 2.0. > > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph/commit/d27242e3e0c8ef6a94e6785d27e25224836a2c53 > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph/commit/4229bf7a7449029c33f194c45ab2afe3ca0b08dc > > Mind explaining a bit about the movement? And will this introduce any legal > problems? > >In the past, there was an internal decision to switch to the AGPL license. >However, it was determined that the benefits of this stricter license were far >outweighed by the negative impacts, as brought to light by the community of >users. Even though Agensgraph and Agensgraph Extension share a similar name >and defined feature set, they are independent projects, in as much as there is >no shared source code, so no legal issue with the Agensgraph license should >affect Agensgraph Extension. > > Thanks. > > > Stephen Mallette 于2020年4月8日周三 下午10:03写道： > > > Just a general question from someone who tries to follow what happens in > > the graph community in general - what is the relationship between > > "AgensGraph" and "AgensGraph Extensions"? > > > > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph > > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph-ext > > > > I see that the README for AgensGraph Extensions says: > > > > > AgensGraph Extension, which is a successor of AgensGraph, is developed as > > an extension of PostgreSQL. > > > > and I see where the proposal states: > > > > > Prior to AgensGraph extension, there was an existing forked project which > > is publicly available as an open-source on the following link: > > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph > > > > > While working on the fork version of this project, we found out that > > there are increasing voices asking for an extension of AgensGraph. It was > > then when we decided to develop and work on the extension version to > > provide more benefits to PostgreSQL users such as easy installation and > > compatibility. > > > > so does all of this just mean that AgensGraph is no longer under > > development and all new development is for AgensGraph Extensions? Or am I > > missing the difference between these two projects somehow and how they > > relate to each other? > > > > Stephen > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 9:43 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < > > bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > > The proposal can be found here: > > > > o > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/AgensGraphExtension > > > ... > > > > > > +1, interesting project IMO and proposal looks good to me! > > > > > > -Bertrand > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
Hi, On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 3:10 AM 张铎(Duo Zhang) wrote: > ...And an interesting observation is that, the AgensGraph project changed the > license to AGPL in the past and then after several month changed back to AL > 2.0... FWIW, I don't think these changes make a difference in terms of entering incubation. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
Feel the same thing. I see the contributors of these two projects are almost the same so I assume that the old AgensGraph is also maintained by the same community and will abandoned? And an interesting observation is that, the AgensGraph project changed the license to AGPL in the past and then after several month changed back to AL 2.0. https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph/commit/d27242e3e0c8ef6a94e6785d27e25224836a2c53 https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph/commit/4229bf7a7449029c33f194c45ab2afe3ca0b08dc Mind explaining a bit about the movement? And will this introduce any legal problems? Thanks. Stephen Mallette 于2020年4月8日周三 下午10:03写道： > Just a general question from someone who tries to follow what happens in > the graph community in general - what is the relationship between > "AgensGraph" and "AgensGraph Extensions"? > > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph-ext > > I see that the README for AgensGraph Extensions says: > > > AgensGraph Extension, which is a successor of AgensGraph, is developed as > an extension of PostgreSQL. > > and I see where the proposal states: > > > Prior to AgensGraph extension, there was an existing forked project which > is publicly available as an open-source on the following link: > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph > > > While working on the fork version of this project, we found out that > there are increasing voices asking for an extension of AgensGraph. It was > then when we decided to develop and work on the extension version to > provide more benefits to PostgreSQL users such as easy installation and > compatibility. > > so does all of this just mean that AgensGraph is no longer under > development and all new development is for AgensGraph Extensions? Or am I > missing the difference between these two projects somehow and how they > relate to each other? > > Stephen > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 9:43 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < > bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > The proposal can be found here: > > > o > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/AgensGraphExtension > > ... > > > > +1, interesting project IMO and proposal looks good to me! > > > > -Bertrand > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
+1 On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 7:33 PM Stephen Mallette wrote: > Just a general question from someone who tries to follow what happens in > the graph community in general - what is the relationship between > "AgensGraph" and "AgensGraph Extensions"? > > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph-ext > > I see that the README for AgensGraph Extensions says: > > > AgensGraph Extension, which is a successor of AgensGraph, is developed as > an extension of PostgreSQL. > > and I see where the proposal states: > > > Prior to AgensGraph extension, there was an existing forked project which > is publicly available as an open-source on the following link: > https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph > > > While working on the fork version of this project, we found out that > there are increasing voices asking for an extension of AgensGraph. It was > then when we decided to develop and work on the extension version to > provide more benefits to PostgreSQL users such as easy installation and > compatibility. > > so does all of this just mean that AgensGraph is no longer under > development and all new development is for AgensGraph Extensions? Or am I > missing the difference between these two projects somehow and how they > relate to each other? > > Stephen > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 9:43 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < > bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > The proposal can be found here: > > > o > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/AgensGraphExtension > > ... > > > > +1, interesting project IMO and proposal looks good to me! > > > > -Bertrand > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
Just a general question from someone who tries to follow what happens in the graph community in general - what is the relationship between "AgensGraph" and "AgensGraph Extensions"? https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph-ext I see that the README for AgensGraph Extensions says: > AgensGraph Extension, which is a successor of AgensGraph, is developed as an extension of PostgreSQL. and I see where the proposal states: > Prior to AgensGraph extension, there was an existing forked project which is publicly available as an open-source on the following link: https://github.com/bitnine-oss/agensgraph > While working on the fork version of this project, we found out that there are increasing voices asking for an extension of AgensGraph. It was then when we decided to develop and work on the extension version to provide more benefits to PostgreSQL users such as easy installation and compatibility. so does all of this just mean that AgensGraph is no longer under development and all new development is for AgensGraph Extensions? Or am I missing the difference between these two projects somehow and how they relate to each other? Stephen On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 9:43 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jim Jagielski wrote: > > The proposal can be found here: > > o > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/AgensGraphExtension > ... > > +1, interesting project IMO and proposal looks good to me! > > -Bertrand > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jim Jagielski wrote: > The proposal can be found here: > o > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/AgensGraphExtension ... +1, interesting project IMO and proposal looks good to me! -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[DISCUSS] Project proposal - Apache AgensGraph
We would like to propose AgensGraph as an Apache incubator project. The AgensGraph Extension provides an extension for PostgreSQL to give the users the ability to leverage graph database on top of the existing relational database with minimal effort. The basic principle of the project is to create single storage that can handle both relational and graph model data so that the users can use the standard ANSI SQL along with openCypher (http://www.opencypher.org), the Graph query language. The proposal can be found here: o https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/AgensGraphExtension We would appreciate your feedback and thoughts on the proposal. Cheers! Jim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
