Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework
I have this vote passing 6 to 4 (binding). -Grant - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework
On 08/09/2010 13:44, ant elder wrote: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: Hi, After much debate both here and on the connectors mailing list, the LCF community has voted (see http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-connectors-dev/201008.mbox/browser) and would like to officially change our name to be the Apache Connectors Framework. We would like the Incubator PMC to vote to make this official. [] +1 Change the Lucene Connector Framework to the Apache Connector Framework [] 0 Don't care [] -1 Don't change it Since this is a procedural vote (http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html), it is a majority rule vote with binding votes coming from IPMC members. The vote is open for 72 hours. Here's my +1 (binding). Thanks, Grant -0 I agree with the comments from David and others such as [1] and the suggestion at [2] to call it something more abstract like Apache Connecto. Thats IMHO anyway, I'm not sure that the IPMC should be the ones with binding votes on this but it would be good if the poddling could take into consideration our views. -1 (non-binding) In short, the selection of an abstract name is a considerably better solution, as per the previous discussion on the topic. p 0x62590808.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
RE: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework
On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 09:31 +1000, Gav... wrote: -Original Message- From: Grant Ingersoll [mailto:gsing...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 10:18 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework Hi, After much debate both here and on the connectors mailing list, the LCF community has voted (see http://mail- archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-connectors- dev/201008.mbox/browser) and would like to officially change our name to be the Apache Connectors Framework. We would like the Incubator PMC to vote to make this official. I have mentioned before, the wording of your request to change suggests that your are removing the word 'Lucene' and replacing it with the word 'Apache' . This is misleading and wrong. 'Apache' is a given, in both scenarios. You are changing from: 'Lucene Connectors Framework' to 'Connectors Framework' That could also be written as: 'Apache Lucene Connectors Framework' to 'Apache Connectors Framework' One or the other, don't mix the two, its misleading. That said, heres my vote: [] +1 Change the Lucene Connector Framework to the Apache Connector Framework [] 0 Don't care [] -1 Don't change it +1 I don't care for the name but my view is I'll leave it to the project to decide. Thinking this through, while the Incubator PMC may have /some/ say in the name of a project, the real test is when it comes to graduation. At that point, the project creation resolution will go in front of the board, and they will have final say as to whether this project gets created, and whether with the name proposed (see resolution for Axis project, nee Axis2). So, the big question about a podling name is really not a question of what is the project called during incubation, but rather what will it be called once it has graduated. (Another interpretation: it ain't finally up to the incubator PMC.) Just a reflection that I hope helps in some way. Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework
I think the name is too generic and don't care for it - but as long as its not offensive or in use elsewhere then this should be up to the project to decide and the IPMC should stay out. [X] +1 Change the Lucene Connector Framework to the Apache Connector Framework Niall On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: Hi, After much debate both here and on the connectors mailing list, the LCF community has voted (see http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-connectors-dev/201008.mbox/browser) and would like to officially change our name to be the Apache Connectors Framework. We would like the Incubator PMC to vote to make this official. [] +1 Change the Lucene Connector Framework to the Apache Connector Framework [] 0 Don't care [] -1 Don't change it Since this is a procedural vote (http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html), it is a majority rule vote with binding votes coming from IPMC members. The vote is open for 72 hours. Here's my +1 (binding). Thanks, Grant - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework
I'm -1 (don't know if it's binding or not. I requested to join the PMC, but didn't hear anything back). I think the name is too general. Why not just choose some animal name or something like everyone else is doing? On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: Hi, After much debate both here and on the connectors mailing list, the LCF community has voted (see http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-connectors-dev/201008.mbox/browser) and would like to officially change our name to be the Apache Connectors Framework. We would like the Incubator PMC to vote to make this official. [] +1 Change the Lucene Connector Framework to the Apache Connector Framework [] 0 Don't care [] -1 Don't change it Since this is a procedural vote (http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html), it is a majority rule vote with binding votes coming from IPMC members. The vote is open for 72 hours. Here's my +1 (binding). Thanks, Grant - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework
Perhaps some clarification is in order, explaining where we are and how we got here, and the procedures the podling followed to come up with the current proposal. I especially want to address the concern that we've been ignoring the advice of the incubator. Here is a short history, for those unfamiliar: (1) Lucene Connectors Framework was voted into incubation in January of this year, ostensibly as a future subproject of Lucene. (2) At Lucene/Solr Eurocon, in May, Grant let it be known that in his (and other people's) opinion, LCF was too broad to be properly just a Lucene subproject, and that its status as a planned Lucene subproject would probably need to change. (3) In August, I was approached to write a book on this project, and I realized that that would be very difficult to do if the name issue was not settled. Grant proposed that we simply go from LCF to ACF at that time, and posted accordingly to this group. He received several positive responses, and only one that raised any concerns. After a week's delay, we presumed that all was well, and went ahead with an extensive renaming exercise. (4) In late August, several folks from this list raised strong objections to the name. Our podling recognized that, and began gathering many suggestions for names both descriptive and abstract. It became apparent to me at that time that the Apache community is actually quite strongly divided between those who prefer abstract names and those who prefer descriptive ones. Indeed, the Apache naming guidelines also play homage to both approaches. (5) In early September, the gathered names were put to a vote on the connectors-dev list. The number of naming candidates was roughly 15, and included descriptive names, abstract names, and animal names - the best we could come up with in two weeks' worth of discussion. Everyone on that list was informed of the incubator concerns about descriptive names. Everyone was also informed that Apache is always the first part of the name. Nevertheless, the final results still had Apache Connectors Framework as the lead choice. Given the informal response this choice had received before, Grant chose to present it for a formal vote, with the understanding that should it fail, we would then call votes on other high-scoring candidates from the voted list. Hope this helps. If our procedures seem incorrect, please advise. Karl On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 8:06 AM, James Carman ja...@carmanconsulting.comwrote: I'm -1 (don't know if it's binding or not. I requested to join the PMC, but didn't hear anything back). I think the name is too general. Why not just choose some animal name or something like everyone else is doing? On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: Hi, After much debate both here and on the connectors mailing list, the LCF community has voted (see http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-connectors-dev/201008.mbox/browser) and would like to officially change our name to be the Apache Connectors Framework. We would like the Incubator PMC to vote to make this official. [] +1 Change the Lucene Connector Framework to the Apache Connector Framework [] 0 Don't care [] -1 Don't change it Since this is a procedural vote ( http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html), it is a majority rule vote with binding votes coming from IPMC members. The vote is open for 72 hours. Here's my +1 (binding). Thanks, Grant - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: Grant proposed that we simply go from LCF to ACF at that time, and posted accordingly to this group. He received several positive responses, and only one that raised any concerns. After a week's delay, we presumed that all was well, That may be the cause of all this - there was a concern raised but instead of being taken on board it was ignored. Looking at the vote result of options [1] Apache Manifold is the second highest choice and has a good amount of support and is far less contentious than ACF so why not just go with that? I agree with Upayavira's comment [2] - while it may not be down to the IPMC to veto a name the board may well do so. So if you want to reduce the chance of a book title being messed up when the project goes TLP then i'd go with something abstract like Apache Manifold now (or else atleast ping the board now to see if they'll comment). ...ant [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-connectors-dev/201009.mbox/%3caanlktikd9fglbnyybrha6emr8ordzdlejaf85qvpf...@mail.gmail.com%3e [2] http://apache.markmail.org/message/vbuq6hqfpuodouyp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework
There may be trademark issues with Manifold, so although it enjoys support in the community, it may be unacceptable for that reason. Also, it was not the actual winner of the vote, and so we do need to go through the proper process, seems to me. If ACF is rejected, then we'll have to properly vette Apache Manifold as the next step. http://www.manifold.net/index.shtml Karl On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 8:57 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: Grant proposed that we simply go from LCF to ACF at that time, and posted accordingly to this group. He received several positive responses, and only one that raised any concerns. After a week's delay, we presumed that all was well, That may be the cause of all this - there was a concern raised but instead of being taken on board it was ignored. Looking at the vote result of options [1] Apache Manifold is the second highest choice and has a good amount of support and is far less contentious than ACF so why not just go with that? I agree with Upayavira's comment [2] - while it may not be down to the IPMC to veto a name the board may well do so. So if you want to reduce the chance of a book title being messed up when the project goes TLP then i'd go with something abstract like Apache Manifold now (or else atleast ping the board now to see if they'll comment). ...ant [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-connectors-dev/201009.mbox/%3caanlktikd9fglbnyybrha6emr8ordzdlejaf85qvpf...@mail.gmail.com%3e [2] http://apache.markmail.org/message/vbuq6hqfpuodouyp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework
On Sep 9, 2010, at 8:57 AM, ant elder wrote: On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: Grant proposed that we simply go from LCF to ACF at that time, and posted accordingly to this group. He received several positive responses, and only one that raised any concerns. After a week's delay, we presumed that all was well, That may be the cause of all this - there was a concern raised but instead of being taken on board it was ignored. What was ignored? I don't follow you here. We discussed at length both here and on the connectors mailing list. Just because someone has a concern doesn't mean they overrule everyone else. -Grant - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework
Hi, After much debate both here and on the connectors mailing list, the LCF community has voted (see http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-connectors-dev/201008.mbox/browser) and would like to officially change our name to be the Apache Connectors Framework. We would like the Incubator PMC to vote to make this official. [] +1 Change the Lucene Connector Framework to the Apache Connector Framework [] 0 Don't care [] -1 Don't change it Since this is a procedural vote (http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html), it is a majority rule vote with binding votes coming from IPMC members. The vote is open for 72 hours. Here's my +1 (binding). Thanks, Grant - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: Hi, After much debate both here and on the connectors mailing list, the LCF community has voted (see http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-connectors-dev/201008.mbox/browser) and would like to officially change our name to be the Apache Connectors Framework. We would like the Incubator PMC to vote to make this official. [] +1 Change the Lucene Connector Framework to the Apache Connector Framework [] 0 Don't care [] -1 Don't change it Since this is a procedural vote (http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html), it is a majority rule vote with binding votes coming from IPMC members. The vote is open for 72 hours. Here's my +1 (binding). Thanks, Grant -0 I agree with the comments from David and others such as [1] and the suggestion at [2] to call it something more abstract like Apache Connecto. Thats IMHO anyway, I'm not sure that the IPMC should be the ones with binding votes on this but it would be good if the poddling could take into consideration our views. ...ant [1] http://apache.markmail.org/message/ryf4eebpzpsvq3hr [2] http://apache.markmail.org/message/zyiodmx4hbqfjek3 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: Hi, After much debate both here and on the connectors mailing list, the LCF community has voted (see http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-connectors-dev/201008.mbox/browser) and would like to officially change our name to be the Apache Connectors Framework. We would like the Incubator PMC to vote to make this official. [] +1 Change the Lucene Connector Framework to the Apache Connector Framework [] 0 Don't care [] -1 Don't change it +1 ...I don't personally like the name but not sure what the basis would possibly be that the IPMC wouldn't just Ack this --tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework
-0.5 (non-binding), I find the proposed name rather confusing Kalle On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: Hi, After much debate both here and on the connectors mailing list, the LCF community has voted (see http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-connectors-dev/201008.mbox/browser) and would like to officially change our name to be the Apache Connectors Framework. We would like the Incubator PMC to vote to make this official. [] +1 Change the Lucene Connector Framework to the Apache Connector Framework [] 0 Don't care [] -1 Don't change it Since this is a procedural vote (http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html), it is a majority rule vote with binding votes coming from IPMC members. The vote is open for 72 hours. Here's my +1 (binding). Thanks, Grant - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework
Hi, [x] +1 Change the Lucene Connector Framework to the Apache Connector Framework BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework
[x] +1 Change the Lucene Connector Framework to the Apache Connector Framework. Mike On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, [x] +1 Change the Lucene Connector Framework to the Apache Connector Framework BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Kalle Korhonen kalle.o.korho...@gmail.com wrote: -0.5 (non-binding), I find the proposed name rather confusing -1. I should probably have listened in (and participated) on the previous discussion, but I agree with Kalle. Connector is such a wide term, that I doubt that such community will deal with all kind of possible connectors. Cheers -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework
On 9/8/2010 8:44 AM, ant elder wrote: -0 I agree with the comments from David and others such as [1] and the suggestion at [2] to call it something more abstract like Apache Connecto. Thats IMHO anyway, I'm not sure that the IPMC should be the ones with binding votes on this but it would be good if the poddling could take into consideration our views. Agree. I'd rather see either a more abstract name or one that is more focused / less likely to be confused with JCA, Tomcat, or any other type of connector that might come down the road later. I guess I'm -1 (binding), though, since you did ask for a vote. :) --Glen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework
-Original Message- From: Grant Ingersoll [mailto:gsing...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 10:18 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: [VOTE] Change name of Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework Hi, After much debate both here and on the connectors mailing list, the LCF community has voted (see http://mail- archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-connectors- dev/201008.mbox/browser) and would like to officially change our name to be the Apache Connectors Framework. We would like the Incubator PMC to vote to make this official. I have mentioned before, the wording of your request to change suggests that your are removing the word 'Lucene' and replacing it with the word 'Apache' . This is misleading and wrong. 'Apache' is a given, in both scenarios. You are changing from: 'Lucene Connectors Framework' to 'Connectors Framework' That could also be written as: 'Apache Lucene Connectors Framework' to 'Apache Connectors Framework' One or the other, don't mix the two, its misleading. That said, heres my vote: [] +1 Change the Lucene Connector Framework to the Apache Connector Framework [] 0 Don't care [] -1 Don't change it +1 I don't care for the name but my view is I'll leave it to the project to decide. Gav... Since this is a procedural vote (http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html), it is a majority rule vote with binding votes coming from IPMC members. The vote is open for 72 hours. Here's my +1 (binding). Thanks, Grant - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
