RE: Proposal: Jakarta should protect community email addresses
Same here. (although I am glad I am not as popular as you! 300???!!!) I was getting afraid that some servers would just start blocking my email from this address... but this got to such a dimension that I am sure all sysadmins must know how it works by now. There was a time I thought I was really somehow infected, but I am offline during weekends and I just get too much warnings from antivirus email filters on Monday. So, people: just get your machine offline for a while if you use Outlook and have this kind of doubt. Have fun, Paulo Gaspar > -Original Message- > From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: sexta-feira, 27 de Junho de 2003 17:48 > To: Jakarta General List > Subject: Re: Proposal: Jakarta should protect community email addresses > > > That is exactly what happens with this particular worm. If your address > is in the address book of someone who gets infected, not only do *you* > start to receive the messages, messages with forged "from" headers with > your name on them also go out. Then, the volume of messages is made worse > by all of those "helpful" spam filters that catch the fact that the virus > is included, and return a notification to the (forged) sender. > > Obscuring email addresses in the archives would have zero impact on this > particular problem. > > Craig (just cleaned out about 300 of these from this morning's mail) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proposal: Jakarta should protect community email addresses
On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Paulo Gaspar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > but this got to such a dimension that I am sure all sysadmins must > know how it works by now. Unlikely, this is by for not the first virus/worm working that way - during the last round I got informed that I was banned from the netbeans-dev list (that I had never subscribed to). I think those antivirus-software should get smarter. The scanners know which virus they've found as they name it in the bounce mails (a couple of hundreds here as well by now) - so one should think they'd also know that the From header is forged and any bounce is useless. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proposal: Jakarta should protect community email addresses
On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 08:20, Stefan Bodewig wrote: > Unlikely, this is by for not the first virus/worm working that way - > during the last round I got informed that I was banned from the > netbeans-dev list (that I had never subscribed to). I just got one from [EMAIL PROTECTED] That guy is a jerk! He keeps sending me viruses! Tom Copeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[site][patch] vendors.xml - add Collabra Ltd
Hi, Here is a patch to add Collabra Ltd as a complete solution provider on the vendors page. Cheers, -- Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proposal: Jakarta should protect community email addresses
Stop using Windows and such fears generally subside. On 7/1/03 8:11 AM, "Paulo Gaspar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Same here. (although I am glad I am not as popular as you! 300???!!!) > > I was getting afraid that some servers would just start blocking my > email from this address... but this got to such a dimension that I > am sure all sysadmins must know how it works by now. > > There was a time I thought I was really somehow infected, but I am > offline during weekends and I just get too much warnings from > antivirus email filters on Monday. > > So, people: just get your machine offline for a while if you use > Outlook and have this kind of doubt. > > > Have fun, > Paulo Gaspar > >> -Original Message- >> From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: sexta-feira, 27 de Junho de 2003 17:48 >> To: Jakarta General List >> Subject: Re: Proposal: Jakarta should protect community email addresses >> >> >> That is exactly what happens with this particular worm. If your address >> is in the address book of someone who gets infected, not only do *you* >> start to receive the messages, messages with forged "from" headers with >> your name on them also go out. Then, the volume of messages is made worse >> by all of those "helpful" spam filters that catch the fact that the virus >> is included, and return a notification to the (forged) sender. >> >> Obscuring email addresses in the archives would have zero impact on this >> particular problem. >> >> Craig (just cleaned out about 300 of these from this morning's mail) > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proposal: Jakarta should protect community email addresses
On 7/1/03 8:20 AM, "Stefan Bodewig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Paulo Gaspar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> but this got to such a dimension that I am sure all sysadmins must >> know how it works by now. > > Unlikely, this is by for not the first virus/worm working that way - > during the last round I got informed that I was banned from the > netbeans-dev list (that I had never subscribed to). > > I think those antivirus-software should get smarter. The scanners > know which virus they've found as they name it in the bounce mails (a > couple of hundreds here as well by now) - so one should think they'd > also know that the From header is forged and any bounce is useless. > Exactly!!! Idiots!! The Virus uses the anti-virus to do most of its dirty work. > Stefan > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site][patch] vendors.xml - add Collabra Ltd
Attachment doesn't seem to have worked, so here it is with a different filename and also inline: MD5: 47330a142bb9351454b9bf2892bcb293 (RzMKFCu5NRRUub8okryykw==) = patch_vendors.xml -->%-- --- vendors.xml,1.14Thu Jun 26 16:40:05 2003 +++ vendors.xml,patchedThu Jun 26 16:53:23 2003 @@ -123,6 +123,18 @@ + http://www.Collabra.Ltd.UK/special.shtml";>Collabra Ltd + + Collabra Ltd specialises in solutions for software process improvement using collaborative development concepts. We always take an hollistic approach, choosing the best combination of people, processes and technology for each solution. + UK & Ireland (Head Office: Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, UK) + info at Collabra. Ltd. UK or call ++44 1933 624415 + + + + + + + http://www.JAMMConsulting.com/";>JAMM Consulting, Inc. We provide complete web-based business solutions by creating highly interactive websites using Apache Server, Tomcat, and MySQL on Linux. -->%-- Michael Davey wrote: Hi, Here is a patch to add Collabra Ltd as a complete solution provider on the vendors page. Cheers, -- Michael --- vendors.xml,1.14 Thu Jun 26 16:40:05 2003 +++ vendors.xml,patched Thu Jun 26 16:53:23 2003 @@ -123,6 +123,18 @@ + http://www.Collabra.Ltd.UK/special.shtml";>Collabra Ltd + + Collabra Ltd specialises in solutions for software process improvement using collaborative development concepts. We always take an hollistic approach, choosing the best combination of people, processes and technology for each solution. + UK & Ireland (Head Office: Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, UK) + info at Collabra. Ltd. UK or call ++44 1933 624415 + + + + + + + http://www.JAMMConsulting.com/";>JAMM Consulting, Inc. We provide complete web-based business solutions by creating highly interactive websites using Apache Server, Tomcat, and MySQL on Linux. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [site][patch] vendors.xml - add Collabra Ltd
I can't see how Collabra are relevant to a list of companies offering support and experise in jakarta porducts. Perhaps you can explain. d. > -Original Message- > From: Michael Davey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 01 July 2003 18:38 > To: Jakarta General List > Subject: Re: [site][patch] vendors.xml - add Collabra Ltd > > > Attachment doesn't seem to have worked, so here it is with a different > filename and also inline: > > MD5: 47330a142bb9351454b9bf2892bcb293 (RzMKFCu5NRRUub8okryykw==) = > patch_vendors.xml > -->%-- > --- vendors.xml,1.14Thu Jun 26 16:40:05 2003 > +++ vendors.xml,patchedThu Jun 26 16:53:23 2003 > @@ -123,6 +123,18 @@ > > > > + http://www.Collabra.Ltd.UK/special.shtml";>Collabra > Ltd > + > + Collabra Ltd specialises in solutions for software process > improvement using collaborative development concepts. We always take an > hollistic approach, choosing the best combination of people, processes > and technology for each solution. > + UK & Ireland (Head Office: Wellingborough, > Northamptonshire, UK) > + info at Collabra. Ltd. UK or call ++44 1933 624415 > + > + > + > + > + > + > + > http://www.JAMMConsulting.com/";>JAMM Consulting, > Inc. > > We provide complete web-based business solutions by creating > highly interactive websites using Apache Server, Tomcat, and MySQL on > Linux. > -->%-- > > > Michael Davey wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Here is a patch to add Collabra Ltd as a complete solution provider on > > the vendors page. > > > > Cheers, > > -- > Michael > >
Re: [site][patch] vendors.xml - add Collabra Ltd
Danny Angus wrote: I can't see how Collabra are relevant to a list of companies offering support and experise in jakarta porducts. Perhaps you can explain. Danny, Perhaps I misunderstood the types of vendors that 'qualify' for a listing on the vendors page. The special projects group at Collabra provides design, development, consultancy and support services for various elements of the Apache Jakarta Project: * Ant * Maven * Struts * Velocity -- Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The vendors page
The original intent of the vendors.xml page was: 1. Because I got sick of hearing people say "Jakarta projects are not supported" and wanted a page to send people to during presentations. 2. So a certain unnamed committer would not feel the need to spam the lists (because I though if he got away with it, others would start doing it and then I'd get lists full of consultancy spam). Now that Open Source is no longer a commercial cussword and I doubt even an economic turnaround will kill the momentum, I think that the policy for that page ought to be "just have one of the committers you employ on the Jakarta projects you support make the change". Thus tightening it from people who "support" Jakarta projects to people who support Jakarta projects. Thoughts/Objections? -Andy -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The vendors page
-1 While (1) is no longer an issue (c'mon, it wasn't a real issue when the vendor page was first created!), (2) is still true. And the main things I disagree with is that criteria of "support" vs. support should be committer status of one of the company employees. There should definitely be some (more or less strict) "lameness" review of each submission, but making it elitist just doesn't make sense. Say for instance someone has a company that does a training course on a number of Jakarta projects. None of the course instructors are Jakarta committers, but they still educate the world about OpenSource software and make whatever money they can while serving the community in their own way. Is it that bad to list them on the vendor page? Andrus Adamchik > The original intent of the vendors.xml page was: > > 1. Because I got sick of hearing people say "Jakarta projects are not > supported" and wanted a page to send people to during presentations. > > 2. So a certain unnamed committer would not feel the need to spam the > lists > (because I though if he got away with it, others would start doing it > and then I'd get lists full of consultancy spam). > > Now that Open Source is no longer a commercial cussword and I doubt even > an economic turnaround will kill the momentum, I think that the policy > for that page ought to be "just have one of the committers you employ on > the Jakarta projects you support make the change". Thus tightening it > from people who "support" Jakarta projects to people who support Jakarta > projects. > > Thoughts/Objections? > > -Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9
hi Tetsuya do you still want the job? if so, it's yours! the first stage of the process is to think about some kind of editorial deadline (in order to concentrate the minds of potential contributors). you then need to tell everyone about it and persuade as many people as possible to contribute. this probably needs to start ASAP. - robert On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 06:53 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: I'd been off for a while, so I've read this mail a little while ago. I'd like to do the volunteer. How/When can I do this? Should this be monthly? or bi-monthly? I'll prepare the 'Products List avaliable as of the end of ' soon. (similar to what I posted to this mailing list last month) Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:28:59 +0100 (Subject: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9) robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: it's about time for people to start thinking about the jakarta newsletter. once again, it will be collated on the wiki. you can find it at: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JakartaNewsletterDrafts/Issue9 i was the guest editor for issue 8 and (if no one else steps up) i'd be willing to edit issue 9. i seem to have a whole lot of things to do and too little time to do them at the moment so i'd be very grateful if someone else volunteered to edit issue 9. (i can supply instructions.) anyone fancy the job? - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9
Robert, Okay, thanks. I'll prepare for these as soon as possible. I also have some ideas on this newsletter, however, I could not summarize the ideas... Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:34:36 +0100 (Subject: Re: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9) robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi Tetsuya > > do you still want the job? if so, it's yours! > > the first stage of the process is to think about some kind of editorial > deadline (in order to concentrate the minds of potential contributors). > you then need to tell everyone about it and persuade as many people as > possible to contribute. this probably needs to start ASAP. > > - robert > > On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 06:53 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > > > > I'd been off for a while, so I've read this mail a little while ago. > > > > I'd like to do the volunteer. How/When can I do this? > > Should this be monthly? or bi-monthly? > > > > I'll prepare the 'Products List avaliable as of the end of ' soon. > > (similar to what I posted to this mailing list last month) > > > > Sincerely, > > > > -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > > - > > > > On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:28:59 +0100 > > (Subject: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9) > > robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> it's about time for people to start thinking about the jakarta > >> newsletter. > >> once again, it will be collated on the wiki. you can find it at: > >> > >> http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JakartaNewsletterDrafts/Issue9 > >> > >> i was the guest editor for issue 8 and (if no one else steps up) i'd be > >> willing to edit issue 9. i seem to have a whole lot of things to do and > >> too little time to do them at the moment so i'd be very grateful if > >> someone else volunteered to edit issue 9. (i can supply instructions.) > >> anyone fancy the job? > >> > >> - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The vendors page
On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:58:37 -0400 (Subject: The vendors page) "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The original intent of the vendors.xml page was: > > 1. Because I got sick of hearing people say "Jakarta projects are not > supported" and wanted a page to send people to during presentations. > > 2. So a certain unnamed committer would not feel the need to spam > the lists (because I though if he got away with it, others would start > doing it and then I'd get lists full of consultancy spam). > > Now that Open Source is no longer a commercial cussword and I doubt > even an economic turnaround will kill the momentum, I think that the > policy for that page ought to be "just have one of the committers you > employ on the Jakarta projects you support make the change". Thus > tightening it from people who "support" Jakarta projects to people who > support Jakarta projects. > > Thoughts/Objections? I agree, but with qualifications. How about preparing new page for the companies/vendors which have no 'committer' in jakarta? Just devide into the vendors.html and vendorlist.html. And make vendors.html for the vendors which employ the committers and vendorlist.html for the vendors which do not employ the committers. I really want to prepare the vendorlist.html with the list of the regions (Asia, US, Europe, etc.). Apache-Jakarta is suffering the shortage of the Asian vendors' support. If there will be no 'another page' which can complement the vendors.html, I oppose to your opinions (especially the requirement for *committership*). Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
