Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe
On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 01:58:29PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > But that's the fact - that most of JavaLand sprang from jakarta... > Jukka's graph shows committer cross-polination, not *codebase* cross-polination (as I understand it)... So yes, since most committers for most ASF java projects were in Jakarta (since those projects were *in* Jakarta, after all), I still think that the non-Jakarta page provides a more accurate representation of the "real" dynamics, by removing the artifical aspects of Jakarta. Of course, I could be wrong :) -- ======= Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war" ~ John Adams - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta Board Report
Thank you for your report. It has been added to the board agenda. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CLA for Brian Stansberry
Not rec'd. On Aug 9, 2005, at 6:16 AM, Simon Kitching wrote: Hi, Brian posted in his CLA around 1st of July (that's > 5 weeks ago). Is there any sign of it? I've emailed Jim directly but got no response. Thanks, Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VOTE: Tomcat -> TLP
On Apr 6, 2005, at 7:36 PM, Ian F. Darwin wrote: The question: I vote in support of the proposal to move Tomcat to an Apache Top Level Project as detailed in the attached Resolution. [ ] +1 Vote in support [ ] 0 Abstain [ ] -1 Vote against +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?
On Mar 21, 2005, at 12:17 PM, Mladen Turk wrote: Anyhow, what are your feelings that we (Tomcat developers), propose to the ASF to be nominated as TLP? Personally, I think the Tomcat community is large enough and healthy enough to warrant change to a TLP. I know that some of you will think (since it's coming from me) 'Damn, JBoss is trying to control the Tomcat', but there is just Remy and myself, with dozen of other developers, each of them having a veto for anything that we try to commit as encrypted or evil :). Now you're just being paranoid ;) But then again, when I pass your Email through my patented is-it-evil.py Evil detection code, it decodes as "Bwaaa H Ha Ha"! Ack!! :) Cheers! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
Costin Manolache wrote: > > Danny Angus wrote: > > > ... the issue is *only* that > > "The Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss" > > implys that JBOSS is not only a contributor, but *the* major contributor. > > > Fact is that JBoss is _a_ major contributor to tomcat. So is any company > that have committers working full time - in any project. > ( in addition the architecture of tomcat5 is based on jboss jmx model, > and that's _a_ major contribution as well ) > > Sun is also _a_ major contributor to tomcat. So is any other company > that is funding tomcat developers. Code is written by people, but > companies like JBoss or Sun are actually paying the bills. Of course, a > lot of credit must go to people who manage to cut hours from their > families and free time. > ++1! > "Leading contributor" does not imply the only contributor or the only > leading contributor. > lead: ; leading: 1. To guide on a way 2. live (~ a quiet life) 3. to direct the operations, activity, or performance of, 4. to go at the head of; be first No, leading does not imply sole or only, but it *does* imply the sense of being first or the most significant, esp how it was written. -- === Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "There 10 types of people: those who read binary and everyone else." - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
On Mar 21, 2005, at 10:24 AM, Remy Maucherat wrote: Jim Jagielski wrote: That would be kind of impossible to do, logically :) But I would agree that other companies have occasionally crossed lines that should not have been crossed, both companies "associated" with ASF projects and external companies that have no ties or links at all. In those cases we (the ASF and/or the projects affected) have requested retractions/corrections/removals/etc... And as I've mentioned before, I don't think there's anyone here who has not been misquoted or mis-represented (by journalists or over-eager PR types) to the extent where they were embarassed-to-angry about it. I *know* it's a struggle. I'm not trivializing it in the least. Great, so you manage to sneak by an assertion that a line have been crossed here. Cool debate ;) My intent was not to make an accusation but rather a simple statement that any issue we are talking about is not unique or particular to any one company. Yes, I think the SD tagline is a line that was crossed. Geez... I go out of my way to make this NOT a JBoss thing, to and it falls on deaf ears. How about reading the rest of the Email instead of one line that you took the wrong way? At this point, how about simply kicking me out and ending the problems faster ? Just one quick vote on board@ and any future issues disappear magically. Oh foo. No one is remotely suggesting that. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
Remy Maucherat wrote: > > Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Mar 20, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Bill Barker wrote: > > > >> And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been from > >> people that aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-). > > > > I think that's an unfair statement... does that fact diminish the > > accuracy of what anyone is saying? I would also wager that > > if it had been any other company with any other ASF project, > > there would have been just the same discussion. > > Cool :) > > What if I, on the opposite, contend that if it had been any other > company with any other ASF project, nobody would have bothered ? > > Can you prove me wrong ? > That would be kind of impossible to do, logically :) But I would agree that other companies have occasionally crossed lines that should not have been crossed, both companies "associated" with ASF projects and external companies that have no ties or links at all. In those cases we (the ASF and/or the projects affected) have requested retractions/corrections/removals/etc... And as I've mentioned before, I don't think there's anyone here who has not been misquoted or mis-represented (by journalists or over-eager PR types) to the extent where they were embarassed-to-angry about it. I *know* it's a struggle. I'm not trivializing it in the least. -- === Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "There 10 types of people: those who read binary and everyone else." - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
On Mar 20, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Bill Barker wrote: And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been from people that aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-). I think that's an unfair statement... does that fact diminish the accuracy of what anyone is saying? I would also wager that if it had been any other company with any other ASF project, there would have been just the same discussion. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
Costin Manolache wrote: > > If tomcat would be a top level project instead of jakarta-tomcat, most > likely Remy would be the PMC chair. Acording to ASF rules, the PMC chair > is the ultimate decision maker for a project. > It seems the notion of 'project leads' is not accepted by some - yet > the entire legal organisation of apache is based on a top-down hieararhy > ( Board -> PMC chair ). I don't know what is worse - the perception > people have about things, or the reality. > The PMC Chair is the eyes and ears of the board with respect to the ASF project. Just as people would justifiably howl long and loud if the board controlled or directed development of an ASF project, so would (should) they howl if any PMC chair does as well. There's is a big difference between a management/oversight "lead" and a developer/contributor "lead". -- ======= Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "There 10 types of people: those who read binary and everyone else." - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
Remy Maucherat wrote: > > I am definitely contributing to Tomcat as part of my employment at > JBoss. I am not contributing on my own free time to Tomcat as an > individual at the moment, and (as far as I can remember, as it was a > while ago ...) have submitted a company CLA reflecting that > (http://www.apache.org/licenses/#clas). Anyway, it is obvious Apache has > the notion of company contributions. Stating otherwise is wrong, and > does not match the legal documents the ASF uses. > > I think continuing with the current attitude would only lead my company > to reevaluate its involvement in ASF projects, and I could not really > blame them if they did. Of course, this may be what some people here > seek (hopefully, it is not and it's just my paranoia at work). > Personally, having JBoss or any company reevaluate their involvement in any ASF project would be a damn shame, and is something that I would not want at all (assuming the reevaluation resulted in them dropping their involvement! :) ). Quite a few of us, myself included, are paid by our companies to develop and donate any code/patches/fixes we develop back into the ASF code. Of course, there are no guarantees regarding that... Just because I or Covalent want something in HTTPD or APR or whatever doesn't mean it's going in. But that's beside the point. When we touch ASF code, we do it with our ASF hats on, even if it was developed with our INSERT-COMPANY-NAME-HERE hats on. We, as individuals, have commit access. We, as individuals, are granted contributor/committer/member status. When we commit code, we do so as those individuals, with our ASF hats on. Those companies who pay our salaries deserve credit, no doubt. Just as we personally benefit with our involvement in ASF projects, so do the companies we work for, whether they are huge F100 companies, or small 1-man consulting firms. -- ======= Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "There 10 types of people: those who read binary and everyone else." - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
Tim O'Brien wrote: > > Henri, I'm not -1, you can send it if you want. You are (after all) > Jakarta. :-)=20 > Of course, that's just as wrong as the concept of Leading Contributor or Main Developer :) -- ======= Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "There 10 types of people: those who read binary and everyone else." - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
Henri Yandell wrote: > > > It may be that leading contributor is, while not an 'Apache Way' to > discuss something, a completely true piece of investigative journalism. > There are definitely parts of Commons where a little bit of investigation > could point out that "Yes, on DBUtils 1.0, David Graham was the lead > developer" (Sorry David :) ). > That may be true, but certainly we do have the right and responsibility to ensure that our desires, as far as how we run and represent ourselves, is accurate as well. It has always been a major foundation of the ASF that projects are built and developed by communities, not individuals. Terms such as "lead" or "main" do cause harm to the community and have always been actively avoided. -- =========== Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "There 10 types of people: those who read binary and everyone else." - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
+1 On Mar 19, 2005, at 1:18 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: Due to the timeliness of this, I plan to send it Sunday night. Given that we're on a weekend, I doubt it will be read until Monday. Any opinions? - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tomcat 5.0 error in JOLT announcement Hi Kate, I'm writing to let you know about a serious error on your JOLT product excellence awards press release, and I assume in your forthcoming June 2005 issue: http://www.sdmagazine.com/pressroom/jolt_winners_2005.pdf You've incorrectly attributed Apache's Tomcat 5.0 product to "The Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss". There are two, very big, problems with this. The first is that Apache does not have a concept of leading contributors, it is completely out of sync with the very philosophies that lie at the heart of the Apache Software Foundation (ASF). The second is that JBoss are not a contributor to Tomcat. Two Tomcat committers are employed by JBoss Inc, but they commit to projects at the ASF as individuals and not as members of a company. This is true of all committers to the ASF, whether the company be Sun, IBM or Fred Bloggs Inc. We would like to request that this be changed to: Tomcat 5.0 (The Apache Software Foundation) in both the press release (pdf url above) and the forthcoming June 2005 issue. Thanks, Henri Yandell V.P., Apache Jakarta -- =========== Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "There 10 types of people: those who read binary and everyone else." - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Leading Contributor?
I've thought about this for a long time, and this is where I stand. As many people know, this has been a somewhat recurring issue, with JBoss blurring and obscuring the facts regarding Apache Tomcat, in such a way that it appears that they, JBoss, control and direct the development of Tomcat. Now the first handfull of times you could caulk it up to over-eager PR, etc, but the fact is that they have been sluggish in doing anything to clearly define what is reality... Tomcat is a JBoss Project? I think not. Yet, that is still what is prominently displayed. After too many times of this happening, and very, very limited response to our requests, one's normal reaction is to associate it with malicious intent. In other words, after awhile, one tends to feel that they are doing it on purpose. That may not be the case, but human nature being the way it is, people do get suspicious :) It's gotten to the point where there is real confusion among the general population, and even within some segments of the developer community, over whether Tomcat is an ASF project or a JBoss project. When it's strong enough to result in such misstatements such as this article headline, then the ASF needs to be rigorous in its protection of its brand and product. Same as if, for some reason, Sun were to start shipping Sun JEMS, we would reasonably expect JBoss to ask and demand Sun stop doing that. JBoss does hire a lot of developers, Tomcat and otherwise, and they should be warmly and honestly honored for doing that. Same as other companies such as Google, IBM, Covalent, Gluecode, etc should be. But the simple fact is that JBoss, as an entity, is not a contributor, leading or otherwise. All code committed is from the individual contributor, whether they are employed by JBoss or whoever. The fact that JBoss, or whoever, pays someone's salary and they contribute code to an ASF project, does NOT make the salary-payer a contributor, not in the normal definition. Contributions are from the individual, and they state that the code that they contribute is theirs to contribute. This is not to diminish in any way the real, valued fact that paying someone's salary allows them to develop more code. But it does not make that corporation a contributor. At the very least, a step in the right general direction would be a Corporate CLA. But again, the ASF recognizes contributions (code) from individuals, and code donations from corporations. So JBoss, as an entity, is not a contributor. And it goes without saying that the concept of "leading contributor" again flies against the grain of what the ASF is all about. When such basic tenets of the ASF and "the Apache way" are either willfully disregarded, or ignored out of ignorance, it makes one question how much a person or entity really understands and supports the ASF. Any entity that would describe itself as a leading contributor to an ASF project, really doesn't deserve the title since it displays a supreme lack of knowledge of how the ASF works. The adjectives such as "leading" or "core" or "main" when associated with the noun "developer" is never allowed in ASF project. Finally, there is the question of how this might damage the community. ASF projects are not one-man (or one-entity) shows; They are not opportunities for people or entities to jump up on a soapbox and grab the spotlight. Doing so causes extreme harm to the development community, again, something which anyone who claims to understand the ASF should know. No, JBoss is not unique with respect to any of these issues; we've all had things miss-quoted, or over-eager marketing people trying to "cash in" on our association and involvement with the ASF. But it is our job to do what we can to keep the story and the record straight. IMO, the Software Developer "Jolt" award information should be changed to remove the "leading contributor JBoss" tagline. Furthermore, it would be interesting to see if CMP ever bothered to contact the ASF regarding the award, for our feedback or comment, and how they determined the "leading contributor" assessment. PS: Much has been said about how we continue to refer to Tomcat as Tomcat, and not Apache Tomcat all the time. People point to our website and say, "You do it, why can't we?" Well, one reason why is because Tomcat is ours, we are referring to it on our website so if people associate Tomcat with the ASF, then that's fine. However, when it is used to confuse or dilute the fact that Tomcat is an ASF project, then it becomes an issue. I think it is clear that someone viewing the JBoss site would come away with the clear impression that Tomcat is developed by JBoss and is a JBoss project, not an ASF one. When that happens, it becomes our responsibility to remove that confusion and request (or demand, as the case may be) that Tomcat be referred to as Apache Tomcat. - To unsubscribe, e-
Re: Jakarta Support provider
Shapira, Yoav wrote: > > recently, having seen dissatisfaction in the ranks that some > high-profile places (java.sun.com, JBoss.com) didn't always make it > clear who owns Tomcat. > +1. This is especially true when ambiguity is inserted either by accident, ignorance or intent. One thing which we are rigorously(sp?) trying to do is: 1. "Apache" != "web server" (although that is the common understanding; but we are trying hard to ensure that people know that the ASF is more than just the web server and using Apache HTTP Server goes a long way) 2. Prefacing the "normal" names with 'Apache' as well, eg: Apache Tomcat, Apache Axis, etc... -- =========== Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "There 10 types of people: those who read binary and everyone else." - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta Support provider
Henri Yandell wrote: > I hope that as much discussion went into this when JBoss released their PR regarding Apache-Tomcat integration :) PS: I will work on getting the site updated. -- === Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "There 10 types of people: those who read binary and everyone else." - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework
> > > > conventions, with the following stylistic changes: > > > > > - instance variables are prefixed with an underscore > > > > > - a newline is inserted before all braces > > > > > > > > > > (3) Identify any Jakarta resources to be created > > > > > > > > > > (3.1) mailing lists > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- User discussions=20 > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Developer discussions and CVS > > > > > > update notifications > > > > > > > > > > (3.2) CVS repositories > > > > > > > > > > The package will use a root branch of the hivemind CVS=20 > > > > > repository (to be created). > > > > > > > > > > (3.3) Bugzilla > > > > > > > > > > > The package should be listed as top level component, "HiveMind". > > > > > > > > > > (4) Identify the initial set of committers to be listed in the=20 > > > > > Status File. > > > > > > > > > > Howard M. Lewis Ship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Prashant Nayak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Martin Bayly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Christian Essl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Harish Krishnaswamy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Knut Wannheden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > This list represents the most active HiveMind participants=20 > > > > > within WebCT and on the Jakarta Commons Developer mailing list.=20 > > > > > Notably, Mr.s Essl, Krishnaswamy and Wannheden, among others,=20 > > > > > have already been actively mentoring other interested users on=20 > > > > > the mailing list in how to use HiveMind as well as contributing=20 > > > > > design ideas and patches to the framework itself. > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Nayak > > > > > Senior Architect, WebCT Inc. > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > --- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >=20 > >=20 > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >=20 > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- === Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both and deserve neither" - T.Jefferson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call on Stein to resign over Gernimo
On Nov 11, 2003, at 1:25 PM, Vic Cekvenich wrote: ASF should publicly applogize, and as a sign of friendship with OSS, do something to help jBoss, such as help with J2EE certification, or help with code or something. This statement jumped out at me like a tiger. The suspicious might read the above and be saying to themselves "Aha... now I understand where Vic's going with this." - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call on Stein to resign over Gernimo
On Nov 10, 2003, at 5:00 PM, Vic Cekvenich wrote: Geir, are you supporting his actions, the ethics in here, denying what that developer is saying, ie: that is not his code? I know my code when I see it. What part are you supporting, all of it? -Stein is the one that railroaded this project on the lists, a chairman. It is easy to trace messages that lead us to this. Sorry, this is not the case. I know. I was there. -Durign his "rule", ASF brand was embarased. What does it mean, ASF developer now? I disagree about the ASF brand being embarrassed. I also think that being an ASF developer now means just the same as it always has. -Using ASF funds for this is a shame and a waste. Why? Because you say so? You seem to think that somehow the ASF decided (or was brainwashed by Greg) to *steal* JBoss code. That is not the case, and it has been mentioned so many times that repeating it again is enough to make me sick. You also seem to think that the idea is that "So what if GPL/JBoss code is in there? We'll just take it." Again, this is so far from the truth that again I wonder just how you are getting your information... possibly a dyslexic carrier pigeon. But once again: if Geronimo has any GPL code in it, whether from JBoss or not, then it will be expunged. We've always said that. What we are doing now is looking at "cases" where such claims are being made and whether or not they have any merit, while at the same time reviewing what's in CVS. Got it? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call on Stein to resin
Vic Cekvenich wrote: > > http://theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=22337#101159 > > http://theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=22337#101173 > > I call on Greg Stein to resign. > Why? -- ======= Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both and deserve neither" - T.Jefferson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vote for XMLBeans proposal
If Cliff is able to communicate BEA's preference, and the LGPL Piccolo issue is resolved, it seems like we're heading somewhere. Attracting new committers is easier when the project is already under incubation. Agreed. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Howard Lewis Ship PMC Nomination
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > :-p We already voted him in...I nominated him a long while back...Just no > one like...bothered to count the votes and do whatever was needed to instate > him (like tell him how to subscribe) > That's very different :) -- =========== Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both and deserve neither" - T.Jefferson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Howard Lewis Ship PMC Nomination
Does it make sense that someone is nominating himself (or re-nominating himself) for membership? -- === Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both and deserve neither" - T.Jefferson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: [ASF] NOTICE: comprehensive list of ASF members and committers]
Yep... it is :) If you want to double check, send me an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll respond back ;) Paul Spencer wrote: > > Is this really from ASF? The return address is not apache.org. > > Paul Spencer > > Original Message > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:17:05 -0500 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [ASF] NOTICE: comprehensive list of ASF members and committers > > Hello. You are rec'ing this email because you are a committer on one (or > more) of the ASF projects and/or a member of the ASF. I am currently > generating the formal list of all members and committers for the ASF > records, > and one part of that was ensuring that we had on file a signed CLA or > member application for everyone... Another stage is a comprehensive > and as up-to-date list as possible of all the PMCs and associated > committers. > > So I'm asking for 2 things really: If all committers (and members) could > send me Email (see below for the actual email address to send to) > listing your name, email address, projects you are working on and > your PGP/GPG key if you have one. The format for this email should > be as follows: > > Send to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: <> > > Name: <> > Email: <> > Projects: < to>> > Key: <> > > For example: > > Name: Joe Foobar > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Projects: Tomcat, httpd > Key: > adklajdAL()@ N*@U)U@()@@ @)U@ > > This will ease the automated parsing. > > Secondly, if you are a PMC chair, please send me, also to [EMAIL PROTECTED], > a list of members on/in your PMC. Once we have all the information, this > will be stored and managed virtually, with a UI to allow PMC chairs and > myself to manage the info, but we need to get it up to date now. > > Thanks! > -- > === > Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ >"A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order > will lose both and deserve neither" > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- === Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both and deserve neither" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
RE: Comment for Apache.org
At 10:32 AM -0500 12/11/01, Tiseo, Paul wrote: >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 4:45 PM >> >> When you come close to 1/5th the amount of work he has done >> for Apache then you >> can judge. > > So, if I understand Apache's so-called "meritocracy" system, the >more you do for a project, the more unprofessional and ego-driven behavior >you are allowed? So, If Jon doubles his workload, will he then be allowed to >murder dissenting listmemebers instead of simply insulting them? :) > I think at the "double workload" level, Jon would only be able to club baby seals. Murder is a bit higher up... I've got those charts around here *somewhere*... -- ======= Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both and deserve neither" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Proposal to make BSF an ASF project
My own personal POV is that it would make a welcome addition to the ASF, assuming that it doesn't better "fit in" with a pre-existing project. Bill Stoddard wrote: > > > The common criteria that we use for any new project is to ask what the > > existing developer and user community is like. I know that there is a large > > user community, but what is the developer community like? > > BSF does not have a large developer community; Victor, Chuck and perhaps 3 other >folks > from IBM and a handful of occasional submitters. This is definitely not a high >volume > project. > > Bill > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- === Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "It's *good* to be the King." - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
