ApacheCon Sessions in PDF ?
Anyone know if there will be a way to get our hands on the ApacheCon sessions (in PDF or whatever) ? Cheers, Stephane - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Goodbye all
Just a quick note to say goodbye to all readers and committers on ant-dev and general. I'm leaving for an extended trip around the world that should last about a year thus my involvement if not already zero these last months will really be zero for the months to come. I take the opportunity to thank everyone for the many things I learned (and still have to) since I'm in the Apache boat. And if someone feel like having a drink when I'm cruising in his living area, feel free to email me. I'm planning to stop by Jon's place when I will be in San Francisco but this should be around october/november 2004 so things may change till then. ( Check http://www.bearaway.org/countries/ for itinerary - SVG 3.0 mandatory for interactive/animated map ) I should (hopefully) blog some news and pics from time to time (no tech talk, sorry ;) at http://www.bearaway.org/blog/, so feel free to check, subscribe or syndicate you (FYI I did not test any of these features yet ;) Last but not least I would like to thank Stefan Bodewig for taking a tremendous share of Ant (if not all) on his shoulders and doing it without any mistakes nor conflicts with anyone and always be on your back to fix anything you break ( should it be the copyright year we all take pride not to change each time we checkin :o). Stefan is an example of diplomatic and technical skills at their best. So many thanks to Stefan and I'm glad I was able to work with him. Keep well. Stephane
RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
-Original Message- From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...] the world. I have also taken the precaution of killing all my family and friends so you have no way to blackmail me. Are you by any chance a relative of Kaiser Soze ? ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jakarta is not an open source project in the pure community sense anymore
Apparentely I did not pay attention to those many gremlins working out for Sun and IBM in Jakarta and that are so closed... doh ! See Marc Fleury's interview. --- http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2002/03/20/jboss_interview.html [...] Anglin: There has been much speculation of late regarding JBoss and Apache Jakarta. Could JBoss become a Jakarta project? Fleury and Mason: No, we don't see that happening. Jakarta is not an open source project in the pure community sense anymore. It is dominated by Sun/IBM employees. We are more focused on growing our own professional services organization through JBoss Group. As such, we form a hyper-efficient consultancy, where our open source product base enables us to achieve an unparalleled degree of efficiency in sharing and communicating knowledge. You may feel that our open source nature limits us here, but never when it comes to high-level knowledge. The ability to see and reproduce source code does not automatically give people the understanding of how it's used or how it can be optimized. If they do achieve that on on their own, that's great. For those who want more insight, we sell the services to get them there. The second reason for our dissatisfaction with Apache has to do with problems in the 3.2 version of Tomcat (the new one is better). When those problems arose, we grew close to Jetty, a competing open source project backed by MortBay Consulting in Australia. We met these guys, spent time with them, and we found there were a lot of similarities -- they are a husband-and-wife-led company dedicated to their product because it is their business. It just happens that we relate better to people with goals and expectations similar to ourselves --dedicated independent professionals. JBoss Group is about supporting and promoting that way of life and work, which, in our opinion, is conducive to the development of great software. [...] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: License issue (the come back)
-Original Message- From: Guillaume Rousse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...] I know they use such kind of filtering based on your domain name. It also means just using a private indirection, as you did, or public redirect service as anonymiser.com bypass it easily. So we can say that Sun attempts to fulfill this clause, but not that they actually comply to. We could also have a banner saying if you're a evil guy (as defined by US state department), please do not click here with the same efficiency. That did not prevent a French tribunal to stupidely force Yahoo to do such filtering on french ips so that people could not see Nazi related items in auctions even though this is absolutely impossible to comply with this (what about aol users ? and others from company with a host located out of france ?, etc...) Yahoo was supposed to be fine $91,000 per day of violation. Not sure what is the status of this crap though but even if this is on, it would be piece of cake to bypass it. There was even an audition of Vinton Cerf which states the following in the report: It has been proposed that users identify where they are at the request of the web server, such as the one(s) serving yahoo.fr - or yahoo.com. There are several potential problems with this approach. For one thing, users can choose to lie about their locations. For another, every user of the web site would have to be asked to identify his or her location since the web server would have no way to determine a priori whether the user is French or is using the Internet from a French location. Some users consider such questions to be an invasion of privacy. While I am not completely acquainted with privacy provisions in the Europe Union, it might be considered a violation of the rights of privacy of European users, including French users to request this in formation. Of course if this information is required solely because of the French Court Order, one might wonder on what grounds all other users all over the world are required to comply. Another complaint about the idea of asking user for their location in that this might have to be done repeatedly by each web site that the user accesses - yahoo cannot force every web site to make this request. When a user first contacts the server(s) at yahoo.fr - or yahoo.com, one might imagine that the question of geographic location might be asked and then a piece of data called a cookie might be stored one the user's computer disk. Repeated visits to Yahoo sites might then refer to this cookie for user location information. The problem with this idea is that cookies are considered by many to be an invasion of privacy also, as a result many users either configure browsers to reject storage of cookies on their disk drives or they clear them away after each session on the Internet - thus forcing the query about geographical location each time the user encounters a Yahoo-controlled web site. Again, Yahoo would have no way to force a web site net under its control to either ask the location question or to request a copy of the cookie containing the location. Indeed, it would open up a vulnerability for each user if arbitrary web sites were told how to retrieve the cookie placed there by the Yahoo sites. It has been suggested that the filtering need only apply to users accessing the Internet from French Territories or by users who are French citizens. It is not clear whether the jurisdiction of the French Court extends to actions taken by French citizens who are not in French territory at the time of their access to Internet. For these and many other reasons, it does not appear to be very feasible to rely on discovering the geographic location of users for purposes of imposing filtering of the kind described in the Court Order. [...] report here: http://www.lapres.net/html/ya2011.html Stephane -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: License issue (the come back)
-Original Message- From: Peter Donald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...] I presume there is some form of implied consent/licensing or somethin gthat may hold up if it ever went to court but even then I really dislike the fact that we have to rely on the good will of a company not to sue apache or even worse to sue Apaches users ;( Then again IANAL and could be completely wrong? Anyone want to explain why I am wrong? :) I believe this is somewhat the same mess about GPL and dynamic linking. http://lwn.net/2001/0628/a/esr-modules.php3 No one is able to figure what it means and from what I understand from Eric Raymond post this is somewhat 'oh wait, I'm saying this but this is subject to change anytime and anyway this can be overruled by a legal decision some day depending on how they interpret it. For now I say this but eh, good luck.' Awesome. All this 'smoke' is I believe absolutely intentional to reserve room for future legal actions in case an entity becomes a little bit 'annoying'. Stephane -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Jakarta PMC 2002: Results of the Ballot.
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] The 7 people with the largest number of votes (in alphabetical order): Stefan Bodewig Craig McClanahan Diane Holt Conor MacNeill Geir Magnusson Jr. Costin Monolache Sam Ruby The above people thus compose the Jakarta PMC effective immediately and will be confirmed as the Jakarta PMC for 2002 at the next ASF board meeting. Congrats to all of them. The Ant team is well represented. Ant rules ! :-) Stephane -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New sites using Jakarta's projects
-Original Message- From: Levy, Pierre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Dear Jakarta Team and contributors, I'm proud to let you know that the city of Paris is about to release 21 [...] cool ! summer. Have a look to Credits popup for more detailed information on components we used (I'm sure you will understand some French ;-)). Apache Server, Tomcat, Xalan, Xerces, Jetspeed, Cocoon, Lucene Care to give the version used ? (apart from Apache 1.3.19) out of curiosity: - How many screens are in all webapps ? - How many people worked on it ? - How long did the development last ? ps: Didn't you use Ant, it's not in the credits ? :o) Cheers, Stephane. Jakarta Ant committer in Paris. ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PMC Nomination
-Original Message- From: Conor MacNeill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I would like to nominate Diane Holt for the PMC. Diane is a [..] I second that too. Stephane -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Possiblly an attack, certainly a nuissance
-Original Message- From: Ceki Gulcu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Could we please disable posts from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to jakarta/apache lists. This person (or an impostor) has posted emails with the title new photos from my party! to many jakarta lists. The content of this mail is possibly a virus. It is a mass-mailing email worm that propagates through Outlook address book. In the wild since yesterday. I have asked my company to upgrade Antivirus signatures in our mail server. http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Will all my subscriptions, I have received more than a dozen of it. Stephane -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: More abuse of coding styles...
-Original Message- From: Kief Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] It is one of my major source of error when not using the '_' and I have seen the error several times along with variable naming gymnastics to avoid the this. people would use aSomething or ^ theSomething or whatever. That look crappy in the Javadoc. The standard way to handle this is of course: [...] See above. People will often forget to type 'this.' for the same reason they forget to put braces around a single line statement: lazyness. I think we all do this from time to time...human nature you know... Stephane -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: More abuse of coding styles...
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From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[...]
People who repeatedly forget to type this represent a minority and
should perhaps look to exercise a different profession. The problem
You are right, but I think you know perfectly what kind of horrors you can
find in most code out there and there is still shortage of 'developpers'.
Let's face it the code quality in Jakarta is extremely high compared with
what I have seen in the industry, the most horrible I have seen in my
limited experience being in the Defense and/or aeronautical industry. I was
beginning my career at this time and could not believe someone could come up
with sleep() to synchronize work between threads and complain that the OS
was buggy since it was 'working' differently on different computers...
with
[..]
public void setSomethingComplicated(Object sometingComplicateed){
this.somethingComplicated = somethingComplicated;
}
right.. I forgot the best one...I have been hit by this as well..
Stephane
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RE: Comment for Apache.org
-Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...] Now, I'm going to go back and start writing some more code (and answering some more user questions). I suggest we all do the same. Craig, While I more than vastly respect the huge work you are doing in both contributed code and user questions answers (I'm puzzled at how productive you are compared to me and how you can answer hundred of times the same question in a relax attitude !), I have no idea what is the right attitude to adopt in some cases... There is some part of user education..what are we supposed to do then..say oh well bear with it or try to educate users sometimes in a rude way like parents do with their children (probably more in Europe than in US though) I was sometimes kicked by Jon, but eh, he was damn right, I was being stupid and did not do my homework. It sometimes happens to Jon as well too, but we are all human and make mistakes and should put back on the right way sometimes. If we do not then we take everything for granted. I just had the same problem a couple of hours ago. Someone asked how to retrieve the servlet parameters from web.xml, I replied with the link to the servlet api..then I got a private email please help, could you give the name of class that does it. Like what he did not even read the docs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Comment for Apache.org
-Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...] The most important thing to remember is that we are all volunteers here, and we are not alone. If you don't want to do something, don't do it. Someone else will step in ... that's what meritocracy is all about. The more you do, the more you are expected to do. The corollary is, the less you do, the more someone else will do instead. Your statements are OK for Apache projects since they are based on volunteer contributions because we all bring our own brick to the building. Unfortunately they are far from being true everywhere. If you know a place where there is no such bad attitude, then please name your company and location so that I can remember it... it's always nice to know :) Stephane -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Comment for Apache.org
-Original Message- From: Frans Thamura [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...] Is there a team that responsible for managing the projects of apache projects. Like in Apache XML may be there is a team that manage that. I have been working several years in IT, and managing the project. There is a methodology to make a project clear.. I cannot find it in Apache.. [...] It's hard to figure out what you really want to say...but I believe you are looking for this: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/guidelines.html Stephane. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Small mailing list fix...
-Original Message- From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I just had a report from a guy who had problems posting from some ** M$ client (looks like an enterprise version of Outlook for Windoze). Basically, no matter what he does, the thing keeps sending messages with content-type set to multipart/alternative with two attachments, one text/plain and one text/html... Pier, Please direct the guy to: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q222/5/08.ASP It looks like applying the SP is not enough and he may have to edit the registry as described. (At least that's what should do the mail admin) I had the same problem and it took me some time to figure out the solution. I had the occasion to send this link a couple of time to people in various mailing list at jakarta. -- Stéphane Bailliez Software Engineer, Paris - France iMediation - http://www.imediation.com Disclaimer: All the opinions expressed above are mine and not those from my company. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
