Re: [PATCH] xdocs/site/source.xml -- diff howto
Andy wrote: > Oh shit... I meant to delete this one and send the other Disregard it > please. I changed my mind half way through and spoke a little too frankly. > I don't have time for the nuclear fallout Damn, were is the rewind > button on this damn thing. I am anxious probably you have been very tired after the great work. Good sleep, Andy. Take care. -- Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PATCH] xdocs/site/source.xml -- diff howto
Oh shit... I meant to delete this one and send the other Disregard it please. I changed my mind half way through and spoke a little too frankly. I don't have time for the nuclear fallout Damn, were is the rewind button on this damn thing. -Andy On 5/30/03 10:45 PM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Oh, joy! Why did it come out to light that I am a man? >> Russian gentlemen often take me as a lady because my first name >> ends up with "ya". ;-) >> (suffix for feminine noun in Russian / Ruski Yazjik) >> > > Tetsuya sounds masculine to me... Secondly its a statistical probability > that you are male. > >> By the way, congratulations upon the promotion of Tapestry to Jakarta >> Subproject. It seems to have taken a long time (since October last year?), >> but your efforts have been tremendous. Maybe you are the best "incubator" >> in Jakarta ;-) >> What are you planning to incubate next to it? -- AltRMI?? >> > > This will be a long reply to a short message but you gave me the perfect > opportunity to dump this off my chest. > > Nothing for a good long time. The amount of energy now required to start > any effort in Apache is much much greater than it once was. To be honest, I > have nothing but the greatest opinion of Apache, but nothing but the most > negative opinion of the results of the "reorg". I was totally right, we > have thrown the baby out with the bathwater and for now on everything worth > anything will happen in Commons or the "Sandbox"es, etc. Its just too much > of a gigantic pain to argue yourself to death and deal with a tricameral or > worse process. > > We set out to fix "too little oversight" and well, we overcompensated on the > ice and are in a ditch. Tapestry was a unique situation because you had a > "star" like Howard and a great group of guys to make it worthwhile. They > deserve the credit, I did little if anything. I just ran interference > against the organization and took a few bullets. It shouldn't be like this. > > A more accurate analysis would be that we saw a river that was flooding a > valley and we dammed it too completely and now its overflowing its banks in > some places but causing a draught in the valley. Its hard to plant new > crops or grow some of the existing ones. There will be more "violations" as > people find clever ways around the bureaucracy and fewer bold an new > efforts. Its a system to work against not in. > > Fortunately, the fertile POI plantation is more alive now than ever. It was > hard for me but I made a conscious decision that for the project to grow, I > needed to be less active and let others fill the void. That¹s happening now > and on top of that business is booming. So I have a nice well-irrigated > little home to return/retreat into and a new frontier to explore that has > not reached the level of "management" that we now have here. > > (I stole this idea from Stefano whom I think quits his projects and returns > on a regular basis for this same reason ;-) -- though I might be giving him > excessive credit -- I wouldn't bet on it... In my next life I want to be > reincarnated as a fly on Stefano's wall...) > > I've no intention of being the one who picks up the hatchet and fights the > counter-reformation. I'd rather just be on of the cowering masses (for a > change) that follows once the inevitable backlash starts. I'm not the only > one who is unhappy with the current "reforms". > > In the case of AltRMI, its in good hands with Paul Hammant who knows more > about starting projects than I ever will ;-) (now "releasing" them is > another story ha ha j/k paul). > > In any case. I'm done fighting for awhile. Tapestry is promoted and I'll > help there when I'm needed. POI is healthy. My business is booming like > mad. Life is VERY good. > > If someone does decide to take up the issue they are welcome to use this > email and I'll be happy to help if I'm able, but "it ain' me, it ain' me, I > ain no fortunate son" Or to paraphrase/steal from Churchill: "When I am > in the Socratic mood" I realize that my wonderful plan "would upset a lot of > things; it would cause commotion and bring me perhaps in the end a hemlock > draught." > > I hope to see some of Y'all at JavaONE and maybe you Tetsuya at the next > ApacheCON (we're doing one this year right?)... > > Peace, > > -Andy > >> Sincerely, >> >> -- >> Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> -- A man who thinks of Money as "S" on a skewer ... with love. >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail
Re: [PATCH] xdocs/site/source.xml -- diff howto
On 5/30/03 9:57 PM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Andy wrote: > >> No problem man... And I get love too? Man this opensource stuff is >> the best. The money is pretty good, you get love and sometimes people >> send you 40 bottles of premium German beer... >> >> Life is awesome. > > Oh, joy! Why did it come out to light that I am a man? > Russian gentlemen often take me as a lady because my first name > ends up with "ya". ;-) > (suffix for feminine noun in Russian / Ruski Yazjik) > Tetsuya sounds masculine to me... Secondly its a statistical probability that you are male. > By the way, congratulations upon the promotion of Tapestry to Jakarta > Subproject. It seems to have taken a long time (since October last year?), > but your efforts have been tremendous. Maybe you are the best "incubator" > in Jakarta ;-) > What are you planning to incubate next to it? -- AltRMI?? > Thanks but they did all the work... I just ran interference. Paul Hammant of AltRMI knows what he's doing. I don't plan to incubate anything in the near future. -Andy > Sincerely, > > -- > Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- A man who thinks of Money as "S" on a skewer ... with love. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PATCH] xdocs/site/source.xml -- diff howto
> > Oh, joy! Why did it come out to light that I am a man? > Russian gentlemen often take me as a lady because my first name > ends up with "ya". ;-) > (suffix for feminine noun in Russian / Ruski Yazjik) > Tetsuya sounds masculine to me... Secondly its a statistical probability that you are male. > By the way, congratulations upon the promotion of Tapestry to Jakarta > Subproject. It seems to have taken a long time (since October last year?), > but your efforts have been tremendous. Maybe you are the best "incubator" > in Jakarta ;-) > What are you planning to incubate next to it? -- AltRMI?? > This will be a long reply to a short message but you gave me the perfect opportunity to dump this off my chest. Nothing for a good long time. The amount of energy now required to start any effort in Apache is much much greater than it once was. To be honest, I have nothing but the greatest opinion of Apache, but nothing but the most negative opinion of the results of the "reorg". I was totally right, we have thrown the baby out with the bathwater and for now on everything worth anything will happen in Commons or the "Sandbox"es, etc. Its just too much of a gigantic pain to argue yourself to death and deal with a tricameral or worse process. We set out to fix "too little oversight" and well, we overcompensated on the ice and are in a ditch. Tapestry was a unique situation because you had a "star" like Howard and a great group of guys to make it worthwhile. They deserve the credit, I did little if anything. I just ran interference against the organization and took a few bullets. It shouldn't be like this. A more accurate analysis would be that we saw a river that was flooding a valley and we dammed it too completely and now its overflowing its banks in some places but causing a draught in the valley. Its hard to plant new crops or grow some of the existing ones. There will be more "violations" as people find clever ways around the bureaucracy and fewer bold an new efforts. Its a system to work against not in. Fortunately, the fertile POI plantation is more alive now than ever. It was hard for me but I made a conscious decision that for the project to grow, I needed to be less active and let others fill the void. That¹s happening now and on top of that business is booming. So I have a nice well-irrigated little home to return/retreat into and a new frontier to explore that has not reached the level of "management" that we now have here. (I stole this idea from Stefano whom I think quits his projects and returns on a regular basis for this same reason ;-) -- though I might be giving him excessive credit -- I wouldn't bet on it... In my next life I want to be reincarnated as a fly on Stefano's wall...) I've no intention of being the one who picks up the hatchet and fights the counter-reformation. I'd rather just be on of the cowering masses (for a change) that follows once the inevitable backlash starts. I'm not the only one who is unhappy with the current "reforms". In the case of AltRMI, its in good hands with Paul Hammant who knows more about starting projects than I ever will ;-) (now "releasing" them is another story ha ha j/k paul). In any case. I'm done fighting for awhile. Tapestry is promoted and I'll help there when I'm needed. POI is healthy. My business is booming like mad. Life is VERY good. If someone does decide to take up the issue they are welcome to use this email and I'll be happy to help if I'm able, but "it ain' me, it ain' me, I ain no fortunate son" Or to paraphrase/steal from Churchill: "When I am in the Socratic mood" I realize that my wonderful plan "would upset a lot of things; it would cause commotion and bring me perhaps in the end a hemlock draught." I hope to see some of Y'all at JavaONE and maybe you Tetsuya at the next ApacheCON (we're doing one this year right?)... Peace, -Andy > Sincerely, > > -- > Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- A man who thinks of Money as "S" on a skewer ... with love. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PATCH] xdocs/site/source.xml -- diff howto
Andy wrote: > No problem man... And I get love too? Man this opensource stuff is > the best. The money is pretty good, you get love and sometimes people > send you 40 bottles of premium German beer... > > Life is awesome. Oh, joy! Why did it come out to light that I am a man? Russian gentlemen often take me as a lady because my first name ends up with "ya". ;-) (suffix for feminine noun in Russian / Ruski Yazjik) By the way, congratulations upon the promotion of Tapestry to Jakarta Subproject. It seems to have taken a long time (since October last year?), but your efforts have been tremendous. Maybe you are the best "incubator" in Jakarta ;-) What are you planning to incubate next to it? -- AltRMI?? Sincerely, -- Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- A man who thinks of Money as "S" on a skewer ... with love. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PATCH] xdocs/site/source.xml -- diff howto
No problem man... And I get love too? Man this opensource stuff is the best. The money is pretty good, you get love and sometimes people send you 40 bottles of premium German beer... Life is awesome. On 5/30/03 7:51 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Confirmed. Many many thanks. > (with love ;-) > > Sincerely, > >> Oh... And thanks! :-) >> >> On 5/30/03 6:48 AM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> So it has been written, so it has been done. Please verify. > > > -- > Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PATCH] xdocs/site/source.xml -- diff howto
Confirmed. Many many thanks. (with love ;-) Sincerely, > Oh... And thanks! :-) > > On 5/30/03 6:48 AM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So it has been written, so it has been done. Please verify. -- Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PATCH] xdocs/site/source.xml -- diff howto
Oh... And thanks! :-) On 5/30/03 6:48 AM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So it has been written, so it has been done. Please verify. > > On 5/30/03 2:53 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I noticed that my favorite mail client, Becky!, was great enough to >> automatically append colored-label to the mails which have "[PATCH]" >> prefixed subject. And I accidentally found that I once submitted a patch >> for the introduction of the "how to make -u style diff using WinCVS" to >> xdocs/site/source.xml. (It was mid of September last year, and maybe >> Andy was too busy to apply that ;-) ... it was in this mailing list. >> >> Here I made a patch for it (including expanded explanation) >> , zipped (contains site_source.xml.txt), and attached to this e-mail. >> >> Please apply this. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> -- >> Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PATCH] xdocs/site/source.xml -- diff howto
So it has been written, so it has been done. Please verify. On 5/30/03 2:53 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I noticed that my favorite mail client, Becky!, was great enough to > automatically append colored-label to the mails which have "[PATCH]" > prefixed subject. And I accidentally found that I once submitted a patch > for the introduction of the "how to make -u style diff using WinCVS" to > xdocs/site/source.xml. (It was mid of September last year, and maybe > Andy was too busy to apply that ;-) ... it was in this mailing list. > > Here I made a patch for it (including expanded explanation) > , zipped (contains site_source.xml.txt), and attached to this e-mail. > > Please apply this. > > Sincerely, > > -- > Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
