Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Thursday 02 February 2006 20:55, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yeah that would help. But in the mean time what should we do? What you should always do. Do the right thing, even if repoman disagrees. Seems like repoman is actually our boss in this case, so I was forced to put the linguas_* to use.local.desc. (If you can't tell, yeah I'm using a polemic tone this time) I'm wondering if to have a solution we're going to wait till the use.local.desc file is cluttered with all the linguas_* flags. -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/ALT lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE pgpn4lmEr2SUE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Thursday 02 February 2006 20:55, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: but also make sure that there's a bug filed describing how repoman is broken. FWIW, I've filed that bug and attached a patch that solves the issue by letting repoman load the *.desc files in profiles dir for the use-expanded variables. Now we only need a linguas.desc that contains the right codes (lang.desc does not really sound that good, some of the codes are used in a different way by locales, like en-gb vs en_GB). -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/ALT lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE pgphOi4B5s1oM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Sunday 05 February 2006 09:51, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Thursday 02 February 2006 20:55, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yeah that would help. But in the mean time what should we do? What you should always do. Do the right thing, even if repoman disagrees. Seems like repoman is actually our boss in this case, so I was forced to put the linguas_* to use.local.desc. that's retarded, please remove all such linguas_* crap from use.desc files -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Sunday 05 February 2006 21:34, Mike Frysinger wrote: that's retarded, please remove all such linguas_* crap from use.desc files I can, but then Mr_Bones_ will come back to me again and we're stuck in this loop. You can remove them, but then it's your turn with Mr_Bones_ about them. So here it's what you can do: - remove an useful feature, but then I'll ask you why can't we use it and fix one of the other two options instead of forcing them back because of what repoman say; - tell Mr_Bones_ and who's doing QA that we don't care about what repoman say and linguas_* can remain IUSE.invalid until repoman is fixed; - leave the 10 flags there alone and wait till repoman is fixed. Up to you baby. -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/ALT lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE pgphIyCXKZ02k.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Sunday 05 February 2006 09:51, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Thursday 02 February 2006 20:55, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yeah that would help. But in the mean time what should we do? What you should always do. Do the right thing, even if repoman disagrees. Seems like repoman is actually our boss in this case, so I was forced to put the linguas_* to use.local.desc. that's retarded, please remove all such linguas_* crap from use.desc files -mike There is nowhere else to put it. It was suggested on bugs to put a new directory in $PORTDIR/metadata/desc/ and have the $USE_EXPAND.desc files in there for portage/repoman to read in. I don't have a problem with doing that but would like feedback on it before jumping right in. Obviously the QA team should be aware of the issue with USE_EXPAND and IUSE. I don't want to rush this, is my point ;) -Alec Warner signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:43:58 +0100 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Sunday 05 February 2006 21:34, Mike Frysinger wrote: | that's retarded, please remove all such linguas_* crap from | use.desc files | | I can, but then Mr_Bones_ will come back to me again and we're stuck | in this loop. Mr_Bones_ is, in this particular instance, wrong. We do not go around changing ebuilds simply because repoman has a bug. Instead, we make sure that there's a bug filed about repoman being broken, and do the right thing in the tree. repoman is there to help catch certain kinds of common screwup, if you're lucky. It is not there to be relied upon, and it is not there to tell you what to do. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Sunday 05 February 2006 15:43, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Sunday 05 February 2006 21:34, Mike Frysinger wrote: that's retarded, please remove all such linguas_* crap from use.desc files I can, but then Mr_Bones_ will come back to me again and we're stuck in this loop. Mr_Bones_ should be aware that this is a repoman limitation, not a bug in the ebuild itself ... fix repoman, not hack other crap You can remove them, but then it's your turn with Mr_Bones_ about them. done -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Sunday 05 February 2006 22:04, Mike Frysinger wrote: You can remove them, but then it's your turn with Mr_Bones_ about them. done Thanks :) -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/ALT lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE pgp88DTyI0EEz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Wednesday 01 February 2006 01:55, Jason Stubbs wrote: However, if lang.desc already exists (and it does) and can be renamed to linguas.desc, it is probably a better way to manage it than use.desc. Yeah that would help. But in the mean time what should we do? If I commit something with LINGUAS expanded (for example xdtv for which I need, that I want it or not, to know the LINGUAS) right now Mr_Bones_ is going to run at me with an adamantium club of vanquishing +9 ... I'm waiting for this for also alsa-driver (which I'm actually wondering whether it's the case... mainly because there the ebuild uses ALSA_CARDS directly, not sure what would happen if someone tries to set the things in package.use ...). -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/ALT lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE pgpQWSAWgupTI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:46:55 +0100 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yeah that would help. But in the mean time what should we do? What you should always do. Do the right thing, even if repoman disagrees. Remember that repoman is there to try to help catch certain kinds of common screwups, not to dictate what you must do. If repoman is wrong, go ahead and commit, but also make sure that there's a bug filed describing how repoman is broken. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Monday 30 January 2006 20:54, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:46:28 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Monday 30 January 2006 16:43, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:17:36 +0100 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Also, as repoman complain about linguas_blabla not being a valid | | useflags, all the linguas_* useflags should be listed in use.desc | | No, part of the point of USE_EXPAND is that they shouldn't. This is | a repoman bug. | | I have yet to be enlightened on any merit of USE_EXPAND is so perhaps | you could explain as to why there should be | user-configured-yet-undocumented options for ebuilds? More precisely, | how should they be documented if not via use.desc? 1. Because for things like LINGUAS, there are arbitrarily many legal values, and documenting them all and keeping the list up to date would be extremely difficult. More precisely, how should they be documented if not via use.desc? 2. Because USE_EXPAND is used for special USE things like arch and userland, and because we undocumented the special arch USE flags because they're not user settable. These variables are internal and not meant to be user configurable. -- Jason Stubbs -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:31:55 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | 1. Because for things like LINGUAS, there are arbitrarily many legal | values, and documenting them all and keeping the list up to date | would be extremely difficult. | | More precisely, how should they be documented if not via use.desc? They shouldn't be. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Tuesday 31 January 2006 06:31, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Monday 30 January 2006 20:54, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: 1. Because for things like LINGUAS, there are arbitrarily many legal values, and documenting them all and keeping the list up to date would be extremely difficult. More precisely, how should they be documented if not via use.desc? considering there's a ton more LINGUAS values than we have USE flags (just run `wc` on use.desc and lang.desc), bloating use.desc with LINGUAS settings benefits *noone* we have lang.desc, it is quite populated, what's wrong with having portage read that -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Tuesday 31 January 2006 22:39, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tuesday 31 January 2006 06:31, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Monday 30 January 2006 20:54, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: 1. Because for things like LINGUAS, there are arbitrarily many legal values, and documenting them all and keeping the list up to date would be extremely difficult. More precisely, how should they be documented if not via use.desc? considering there's a ton more LINGUAS values than we have USE flags (just run `wc` on use.desc and lang.desc), bloating use.desc with LINGUAS settings benefits *noone* we have lang.desc, it is quite populated, what's wrong with having portage read that Absolutely nothing. I am in no way suggesting that use.desc is the possible fix. I wasn't even suggesting that each individual flag need be documented. However, if lang.desc already exists (and it does) and can be renamed to linguas.desc, it is probably a better way to manage it than use.desc. Is having INPUT_DEVICES and the like following the same scheme (ie, input_devices.desc) acceptable? -- Jason Stubbs -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
Jason Stubbs wrote: Is having INPUT_DEVICES and the like following the same scheme (ie, input_devices.desc) acceptable? As long as I can still get the pretty output with -vp. =) Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Monday 30 January 2006 14:17, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: [ebuild R ] media-tv/kdetv-0.8.8-r1 USE=-arts -debug -lirc -opengl -xinerama -zvbi LINGUAS=it% -bg% -br% -ca% -cs% -cy% -da% -de% -el% -en_GB% -es% -et% -fi% -fr% -ga% -gl% -hu% -is% -lt% -mt% -nb% -nl% -pa% -pl% -pt% -pt_BR% -ro% -ru% -rw% -sr% [EMAIL PROTECTED] -sv% -ta% -tr% -zh_CN% 0 kB This would only be on the first installation. The % symbol indicates that the flags have been added. On the second run it would become: [ebuild R ] media-tv/kdetv-0.8.8-r1 USE=-arts -debug -lirc -opengl -xinerama -zvbi LINGUAS=it -bg -br -ca -cs -cy -da -de -el -en_GB -es -et -fi -fr -ga -gl -hu -is -lt -mt -nb -nl -pa -pl -pt -pt_BR -ro -ru -rw -sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -sv -ta -tr -zh_CN 0 kB Not a huge difference but not exactly minor either. And of course LINGUAS= wouldn't be shown at all if nothing had changed with regard to it and --verbose wasn't specified. -- Jason Stubbs -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Monday 30 January 2006 16:43, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:17:36 +0100 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Also, as repoman complain about linguas_blabla not being a valid | useflags, all the linguas_* useflags should be listed in use.desc No, part of the point of USE_EXPAND is that they shouldn't. This is a repoman bug. I have yet to be enlightened on any merit of USE_EXPAND is so perhaps you could explain as to why there should be user-configured-yet-undocumented options for ebuilds? More precisely, how should they be documented if not via use.desc? -- Jason Stubbs -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:46:28 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Monday 30 January 2006 16:43, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:17:36 +0100 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Also, as repoman complain about linguas_blabla not being a valid | | useflags, all the linguas_* useflags should be listed in use.desc | | No, part of the point of USE_EXPAND is that they shouldn't. This is | a repoman bug. | | I have yet to be enlightened on any merit of USE_EXPAND is so perhaps | you could explain as to why there should be | user-configured-yet-undocumented options for ebuilds? More precisely, | how should they be documented if not via use.desc? 1. Because for things like LINGUAS, there are arbitrarily many legal values, and documenting them all and keeping the list up to date would be extremely difficult. 2. Because USE_EXPAND is used for special USE things like arch and userland, and because we undocumented the special arch USE flags because they're not user settable. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
30.1.2006, 12:46:28, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Monday 30 January 2006 16:43, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:17:36 +0100 Diego 'Flameeyes' Petteno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Also, as repoman complain about linguas_blabla not being a valid | useflags, all the linguas_* useflags should be listed in use.desc No, part of the point of USE_EXPAND is that they shouldn't. This is a repoman bug. Not only repoman - see Bug 70648 I have yet to be enlightened on any merit of USE_EXPAND is so perhaps you could explain as to why there should be user-configured-yet-undocumented options for ebuilds? More precisely, how should they be documented if not via use.desc? Pretty much exhaustively flam^W discussed in Bug 70648 as well. LINGUAS are not use flags, otherwise they wouldn't have to exist. Sticking this stuff into IUSE just bloats it like hell, and as ciaranm pointed in another mail, maintaining lists of honored LINGUAS in each ebuild it just huge maintenance overhead with no gain... -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) pgp0nwD5keLq8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Monday 30 January 2006 13:31, Jakub Moc wrote: maintaining lists of honored LINGUAS in each ebuild it just huge maintenance overhead with no gain... Well at least for the KDE ebuilds that does honour it in a non-automatic version, the list is anyway needed, as I said, I hadn't had to prepare the list for kdetv, I just changed a bit the way I declare it and added a for loop to add the IUSE. -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/ALT lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE pgp5F0exR3Kko.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Monday 30 January 2006 12:43, Jason Stubbs wrote: Not a huge difference but not exactly minor either. And of course LINGUAS= wouldn't be shown at all if nothing had changed with regard to it and --verbose wasn't specified. That's a point to put them there, it's also quite interesting to see, and might help people who don't know they can set LINGUAS... -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/ALT lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE pgpt7fZTbd8Dh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Monday 30 January 2006 06:17, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: Defining LINGUAS variable would be useful to allow people to know whether they are going to have special support for their language in a package, but it would also clutter the output quite a bit. Okay then.. I'm still looking locally how it appears, and I'm thinking it's really useful to have LINGUAS told in emerge -pv and -av. The reason is trivial: if someone sets LINGUAS for something, and then does not get that language supported, it might wonder why; by stating the accepted LINGUAS the problem is solved. Also, it would allow to know when a new language support is available. This makes version bumps a bit more complex, as just renaming the ebuild will ignore changes in supported LINGUAS, but for most cases, it's needed anyway (I think of xdtv for example). For KDE-based stuff, the LINGUAS handling is simple to recalculate: on the new tarball (that one should extract anyway), just do ls po | grep -v Makefile | xargs echo to get the language supported and the same with doc dir to get the documentation languages (then mix them while adding IUSE and there you are). I'm at 5 packages with local LINGUAS support and the output of their -pv is: [ebuild R ] app-editors/kile-1.9_beta2 USE=kde -arts -debug -xinerama LINGUAS=it% -br% -ca% -cs% -cy% -da% -de% -el% -en_GB% -es% -et% -eu% -fi% -fr% -ga% -gl% -hi% -hu% -is% -ja% -lt% -mt% -nb% -nl% -nn% -pa% -pl% -pt% -pt_BR% -ro% -rw% -sk% -sr% [EMAIL PROTECTED] -sv% -ta% -tr% -zh_CN% 0 kB [ebuild R ] net-irc/konversation-0.19 USE=-arts -debug -xinerama LINGUAS=it -bg -cs -da -de -el -en_GB -es -et -fi -fr -hi -ja -nl -pt -pt_BR -ru -sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -sv -ta -tr 0 kB [3] [ebuild R ] media-tv/kdetv-0.8.8-r1 USE=-arts -debug -lirc -opengl -xinerama -zvbi LINGUAS=it% -bg% -br% -ca% -cs% -cy% -da% -de% -el% -en_GB% -es% -et% -fi% -fr% -ga% -gl% -hu% -is% -lt% -mt% -nb% -nl% -pa% -pl% -pt% -pt_BR% -ro% -ru% -rw% -sr% [EMAIL PROTECTED] -sv% -ta% -tr% -zh_CN% 0 kB [ebuild UD] media-sound/amarok-1.3.8 [1.4_pre20060116] USE=flac kde musicbrainz vorbis xine -arts -debug -gstreamer -mp3 -mysql -noamazon -opengl -postgres -visualization -xinerama -xmms LINGUAS=it% -az% -be% -bg% -br% -ca% -cs% -cy% -da% -de% -el% -en_GB% -eo% -es% -et% -fi% -fr% -ga% -gl% -he% -hi% -hr% -hu% -id% -is% -ja% -ko% -ku% -lo% -lt% -nb% -nds% -nl% -nn% -pa% -pl% -pt% -pt_BR% -ro% -ru% -se% -sl% -sq% -sr% [EMAIL PROTECTED] -ss% -sv% -ta% -tg% -th% -tr% -uk% -uz% -zh_CN% -zh_TW% 0 kB [ebuild R ] media-tv/xdtv-2.3.0 USE=X alsa ffmpeg jpeg ogg png xv xvid zvbi -Xaw3d -aqua_theme -carbone_theme -debug -dvb -encode -lirc -neXt -xinerama LINGUAS=en% it% -ca% -de% -es% -fr% -gl% -ja% -pl% -ru% 0 kB (amarok 1.4 is still to fix, I'll do that in my overlay). Also, as repoman complain about linguas_blabla not being a valid useflags, all the linguas_* useflags should be listed in use.desc Well I got at least 5 packages that uses a bunch of those LINGUAS flags, so I think it's not a problem about adding them to use.desc instead of use.local.desc. If somebody has a list of those variables, I would add them, it seems to me the most sensible way to do that, it would add documentation allowing people to know what they are going to do. Also, as use.desc is alphabetically sorted, all the linguas_* variables will stay together. -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/ALT lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE pgpaksaTfc76Q.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Monday 30 January 2006 11:15, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Monday 30 January 2006 06:17, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: Defining LINGUAS variable would be useful to allow people to know whether they are going to have special support for their language in a package, but it would also clutter the output quite a bit. Okay then.. I'm still looking locally how it appears, and I'm thinking it's really useful to have LINGUAS told in emerge -pv and -av. it makes a the -pv output unreadable and thus useless ... although if you do something like -pvv, then the user can expect to get a lot of output ... of course this still doesnt address the pita maintenance issue If somebody has a list of those variables, I would add them, it seems to me the most sensible way to do that, it would add documentation allowing people to know what they are going to do. Also, as use.desc is alphabetically sorted, all the linguas_* variables will stay together. no, we have lang.desc already, dont clutter use.desc with this crap -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Monday 30 January 2006 17:38, Mike Frysinger wrote: it makes a the -pv output unreadable and thus useless ... although if you do something like -pvv, then the user can expect to get a lot of output ... emerge -p is now less useless than before so it make sense for -pv to show lot of stuff.. of course this still doesnt address the pita maintenance issue Adds an extra check to do before a bump. One would expect people to look at what they bump.. no, we have lang.desc already, dont clutter use.desc with this crap Then portage should handle linguas.desc video_cards.desc and so on... -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/ALT lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE pgpctNK3vTqLK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 06:17:36AM +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: [ebuild R ] media-tv/kdetv-0.8.8-r1 USE=-arts -debug -lirc -opengl -xinerama -zvbi LINGUAS=it% -bg% -br% -ca% -cs% -cy% -da% -de% -el% -en_GB% -es% -et% -fi% -fr% -ga% -gl% -hu% -is% -lt% -mt% -nb% -nl% -pa% -pl% -pt% -pt_BR% -ro% -ru% -rw% -sr% [EMAIL PROTECTED] -sv% -ta% -tr% -zh_CN% 0 kB ... the linguas_* useflags should be listed in use.desc (consider that it would take a while, _if_ we decide to go this route, before all packages are updated to do this, but it's silly to pollute the use.local.desc file until 5 How would this work with packages which treat unset LINGUAS as install all languages, and empty but set LINGUAS as install no languages (the way LINGUAS was supposed to work)? When changing between the two, emerge -pv would show no changes, and there is no way for ebuilds to work around that. I'm all for telling users what parts of a package are optional, but incorrect info is worse than no info. (This doesn't apply to the KDE ebuilds, since they treat empty and unset LINGUAS the same, but you said all packages.) pgpRfBdN8xPlV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Monday 30 January 2006 11:48, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Monday 30 January 2006 17:38, Mike Frysinger wrote: it makes a the -pv output unreadable and thus useless ... although if you do something like -pvv, then the user can expect to get a lot of output ... emerge -p is now less useless than before so it make sense for -pv to show lot of stuff.. not really ... you're going from basic info (-p) to a crap ton of info (-pv) rather than offering a middle step incremental verbose is trivial and i'm pretty sure emerge already does it of course this still doesnt address the pita maintenance issue Adds an extra check to do before a bump. One would expect people to look at what they bump.. it's a big pita, you cant make it sound trivial so stop trying -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
After reading Donnie's interesting post about how to set VIDEO_CARDS and INPUT_DEVICES in xorg 7, I wondered for a while if LINGUAS should have the same treatment. Defining LINGUAS variable would be useful to allow people to know whether they are going to have special support for their language in a package, but it would also clutter the output quite a bit. I experimented locally with kdetv, that uses LINGUAS variable to condition .po files and documentation generation in a predictable way (as in, the ebuild has to know which languages are available beforehand anyway): [ebuild R ] media-tv/kdetv-0.8.8-r1 USE=-arts -debug -lirc -opengl -xinerama -zvbi LINGUAS=it% -bg% -br% -ca% -cs% -cy% -da% -de% -el% -en_GB% -es% -et% -fi% -fr% -ga% -gl% -hu% -is% -lt% -mt% -nb% -nl% -pa% -pl% -pt% -pt_BR% -ro% -ru% -rw% -sr% [EMAIL PROTECTED] -sv% -ta% -tr% -zh_CN% 0 kB What people think of this? Whatever decision is taken I think it should also be documented somewhere for people to use. Also, as repoman complain about linguas_blabla not being a valid useflags, all the linguas_* useflags should be listed in use.desc (consider that it would take a while, _if_ we decide to go this route, before all packages are updated to do this, but it's silly to pollute the use.local.desc file until 5 packages are using a given language); the descriptions need also to be accurate. (sorry missing signature, I've broken pinentry and waiting for it to be rebuilt by emerge -e world) -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/ALT lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:17:36 +0100 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Also, as repoman complain about linguas_blabla not being a valid | useflags, all the linguas_* useflags should be listed in use.desc No, part of the point of USE_EXPAND is that they shouldn't. This is a repoman bug. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
