Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome startup configuration
You might want to look at openbox. Really simple, highly configurable, and it will let you easily remove windowmanager decorations from windows with a simple right click on the window. Oh, did I mention it does a really good job with Xinerama. Metacity just really sucks when used with xinerama enabled. Sawfish did a better job but it was still not predictable enough. Openbox does exactly what I expect every time. Give 'er a try. Wazow wrote: Spider wrote: Well, hopefully that was enough info to get you going :) Indeed, thanks a lot for all these hints. I somehow had hard time finding all this info. It is easy to find the manuals for configuring system startup, but desktop services seem to be slightly less developed in this sense (HOWTOs, etc). I have one additional questions: what is your window manager of choice for gnome? I find it pretty annoying that metacity does not allow me to strip window decorations (or I do not know how). Andrzej -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vmware
3. It is NOT stolen!!! only a physical item can be stolen. From dictionary.com: steal 1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission. property 3. Something tangible or intangible to which its owner has legal title: properties Notice the *in-tangible* 4. If he can't pay the american price that they demand then they are NOT deprived of income. huh? 5. He does have the right to own it. VMware must offer him a price relative to the income in his country. says who? It is a product. If you want to own the product (or right to use, as is the case with software), you purchase it. simple. Anyway, enough of this discussion, it doesn't belong on this list. G'day sir. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] celeron classification
Hi there! i have a dell inspiron 1100 with a celeron 2ghz cpu. should i download the 6x86 package or the pentium 4 live package? The 2GHz series of Celeron is a 'crippled' P4, go for that. It just got a smaller cache. This is true for all Celeron greater 1.4GHz. Jan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] 2004.0 ISO image confusion
Hi, I am a bit confused by the new ISO images that come with the 2004.0 release. I am planning a stage1 installation of GENTOO 2004.0 on an AthlonXP box [1] and would like to know if the packages-athlon-xp-2004.0.iso ISO image is bootable or if it not and contains GRP binary packages and install-x86-minimal-2004.0.iso is the bootable one. Thanks, Sebastian -- [1] I am already running GENTOO 1.4 on a Pentium 3 laptop for over a year now. -- Sebastian Bergmann http://sebastian-bergmann.de/ http://phpOpenTracker.de/ Das Buch zu PHP 5: http://professionelle-softwareentwicklung-mit-php5.de/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] nfs install crashes
hi, while I wait for help from this list, I started the compilation on the server itself and it seems to run along fine, but... _why_??? gruss /Christian mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I propose that the following character sequence for joke markers: :-) 19-Sep-82 11:44Scott E Fahlman -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Life after xfree
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, David Hart wrote: > > FUD FUD FUD FUD NONSENSE and more FUD!!! > > Show me where it says in the GPL that if you infringe you have to open > up closed source? > Hmm ... let's see. Wasn't hard. It's in the Preamble. "For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights." If you derive from GPL code, you have to provide all the rights to folks you distribute to that you had -- "You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code." I would have that that was plain enough. Ric -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing pure 2.6 & udev system
On Wednesday 03 March 2004 17:49, Tom Martin wrote: > I also wrote a quick guide, you can find that at > http://edgeoftheinterweb.org.uk/docs/udev.html > > There is also a few forum threads on the subject. > > bootstrap-2.6.sh is for bootstrapping against 2.6 headers, as far as I > know. Why it is emerging 2.4 headers exactly, I don't know. because you cannot use 2.6 kernel headers in userspace! there is a project which 'ports' the 2.6 kernel headers for use in userspace. (search for [ANNOUNCE] linux-libc-headers 2.6.3.0 on linux-kernel) Rudmer -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing pure 2.6 & udev system
I also wrote a quick guide, you can find that at http://edgeoftheinterweb.org.uk/docs/udev.html There is also a few forum threads on the subject. bootstrap-2.6.sh is for bootstrapping against 2.6 headers, as far as I know. Why it is emerging 2.4 headers exactly, I don't know. -- Tom Martin GPG Public key: http://edgeoftheinterweb.org.uk/files/tom-gpg-public.txt Key fingerprint = 055F A0F4 D4C6 AD9E 40E8 2EAC 8F92 A284 B5C4 FF89 IRC: slarti] ~ irc.freenode.net JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome startup configuration
Andrew Farmer wrote: On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 03:42:48 -0800, Wazow muttered: I have one additional questions: what is your window manager of choice for gnome? I find it pretty annoying that metacity does not allow me to strip window decorations (or I do not know how). Sawfish is cool this way; I was easily able to create a theme with 2-pixel yellow borders (only). The point is that I do not want to build my own theme. I remember this used to be much easier with old window-managers. The point is that you want to strip decorations only from some of the windows, by a simple move based on the name of the class in Xresources)... Andrzej -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Printing options?
Hey all, I've got a networked printer on my LAN and am currently using CUPS on my machine to handle my printing. My printer has an IPP server on it (along with various others such as NetBIOS) so I'm sure I should be able to print to it directly via `lpr` but haven't figured out how exactly ... not sure if that makes sense actually. Basically I want to see if I can print directly to the printer rather than having a local print server (such as CUPS) as a middle man. Anybody got any suggestions? Matt -- http://www.mattsscripts.co.uk/ - A great source for free CGI and stuff They looked at one another in incomprehension, two minds driving opposite ways up a narrow street and waiting for the other man to reverse first. (Soul Music) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vmware
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Scharf Yuval wrote: > No Ric, > > "Identity theft" is not stealing. It is a term made up by the american media. > Still, it is a horribe crime. > Oh, I understand now. You're an idiot. Try telling your little tale above to someone who has been through it. It is not a term made up by american media. It is a real and legitimate crime. And yes, it IS stealing. It is taking property (both physical and not physical) that DOES NOT BELONG TO YOU. I'm sorry you don't seem to grasp the concept that not all property is physical. Ric -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wmmaiload new version ???
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any reason why the gentoo package is still at 0.6.0 ? I guess the only reasone is that you have not yet got to packaging it yourself... andrzej -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome startup configuration
On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 03:42:48 -0800, Wazow muttered: > I have one additional questions: what is your window manager of choice > for gnome? I find it pretty annoying that metacity does not allow me to > strip window decorations (or I do not know how). Sawfish is cool this way; I was easily able to create a theme with 2-pixel yellow borders (only). Probably possible for Metacity too, but I don't know how, and it'd get tricky to use. -- Andrew Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] radeon and X performance
Hi all, I have a radeon 7200 series (r100). I configured X to run with DRI and now I want enable framebuffer. I built the module radeonfb.o, fbcon-cfb32, fbcon-cfb24, fbcon-cfb8 and loaded. I activated the Option "UseFbDev" "true" in the device section. I enabled also "AGPFastWrite" "true". In /var/log/XF86Config.log all seems ok. When I start X, I run lsmod but I see radeonfb as unused. The question is: what I have to do to allow X run framebuffer? How I can test if X is running framebuffer? Is there a tool to check the X performance? Thank in advance for your help. Bye -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xmms playlist editor ?
On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 03:40:22 -0800, Jean Jordaan muttered: >...I miss cute things like fadeout that WinAmp has these days... There are some plugins for XMMS that'll let you do that sort of thing. -- Andrew Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] .ebuild access denied ?
In an .ebuild I'm tring to execute localdef for generating
cd ${D}/usr/share/i18n/locales
/usr/bin/localedef -f ../charmaps/CP1251 -i bg_BG bg_BG
But i get access denied :
ACCESS DENIED open_wr: /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive
cannot open locale archive "/usr/lib/locale/locale-archive": Permission denied
--- ACCESS VIOLATION SUMMARY ---
LOG FILE = "/tmp/sandbox-app-misc_-_bglinux-4.3-18084.log"
open_wr: /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive
Is there a way to generate these locales in some other way and then
add them in the merge stage !?
thx
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Re: [gentoo-user] vmware
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 09:03:32AM -0700, Ric Messier wrote: > > > On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Scharf Yuval wrote: > > > > > That is NOT stealing. > > Stealing is when after the act the victim does not longer have the item. > > There is no reason to accept the corporate world terminology. > > > > > Steal, v. : To take (the property of another) without right or > permission. > > This is not corporate world terminology. If you take something that > doesn't belong to you, it's stealing. Are you saying that identity theft > (the act of stealing someone's identity and making use of it) is not theft > or stealing? If you steal my identity (and use it illicitly), I still have > it but it doesn't change the fact that you stole it. > > Ric > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > No Ric, "Identity theft" is not stealing. It is a term made up by the american media. Still, it is a horribe crime. -- Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Life after xfree
On Wednesday 03 March 2004 01:38 am, a tiny voice compelled Norberto Bensa to write: > Ernie Schroder wrote: > > What I wouldn't give for a decent parametric CAD program for > > Linux > > Hmmm... I don't know if this will help you. Take a look here: > http://www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/webpage?webpage_id=cad-linux > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Thanks for the link Norberto. Actually I have been following Kieth's site for quite a while. I've used the apps mentioned there and all have their limitations. What I need is an app that links individual parts to assemblies so that a change to one part will update the assembly master and all associated part drawings. SolidWorks meets those needs for me and seeing that I have a valid license, I will continue to use it, at least until I can get it working under wine. So far, the only Linux CAD program that meets my needs is Pro/E-Wildfire. It has been in release for almost a year now. I have used it as a beta tester, but they didn't see fit to extend my beta license to the commercial release. It's arguably even better than SolidWorks, but it's US$ 8,500 price tag is a bit steep for my fledgling business to absorb at this point -- Regards, Ernie 95% Microsoft and Intel free ! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Printing options?
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 04:43:50PM +, Matt Wilson wrote: > I've got a networked printer on my LAN and am currently using CUPS on my > machine to handle my printing. My printer has an IPP server on it (along > with various others such as NetBIOS) so I'm sure I should be able to > print to it directly via `lpr` but haven't figured out how exactly ... > not sure if that makes sense actually. Basically I want to see if I can > print directly to the printer rather than having a local print server > (such as CUPS) as a middle man. What kind of printer is it? I use lprng with direct IP printing via an HP JetDirect card. It works great with no problems and very little configuration. However, you have to make sure your printer supports postscript printing. -- Matthew Daubenspeck http://www.oddprocess.org 11:49:28 up 24 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.03 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vmware
Bull. VMware is "produced" by a company and sold for money. They have set up a legal entity to do this. Just because their product is not something you can touch and feel, does not make it free. When it is stolen, your depriving the company of income that is needed to pay for salaries, R&D, brick&mortar facilities, etc. The company *is* deprived of income! Bottom line, and you know it, your taking something you have not purchased, and have no right to own. Scharf Yuval wrote: On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 09:42:53AM -0500, Larry Schuler wrote: You missed one other option, do without. That is what I am doing. Exactly. I would love to have one of those new Ferrari's. But, oh my, they're too expensive, and my poor little self can't afford one on my piddly salary. So, should I just go steal one If you'll steal a Ferray the owner will not have it anymore. This is not the case in software. Bruce E. Harris wrote: You missed one other option, do without. That is what I am doing. On Tuesday 02 March 2004 07:08 pm, Bruce E. Harris wrote: I know that 300$ is nothing in your world with people being payed that much in a day (if say a doctor worked in your country he might get close to 300$ a day), but few people here have a salary in that range over here. So we have several options, 1. Buy the exorbitantly priced software. 2. Buy a pirated cd of the software (.5$) 3. Download a cracked vesion of the sofware. Grendel -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vmware
On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 10:26, Scharf Yuval wrote: > 0. Bull? Learn some manners, sir. > 1. VMware was developed by the company. It is not produced by them. > No one produces a software. > 2. I never said that it is free. It is not. > 3. It is NOT stolen!!! only a physical item can be stolen. > 4. If he can't pay the american price that they demand then they > are NOT deprived of income. > 5. He does have the right to own it. VMware must offer him a price relative to the > income in his country. > > Yuval > [snip] 1. VMWare produces the the media that it is distributed on and the manuals that go with it. 2. Agreed. 3. Websters dictionary defines stealing thusly: "To take (the property of another) without right or permission." There is no distinction that what is stolen must have physical aspects. 4. True as long as you aren't stealing the product. Once you steal the product, you are depriving them of potential income. They have to raise prices to adjust for the losses from stolen copies. Therefore driving the price even higher. 5. So you believe that we all have the right to own whatever software we claim to want/need? VMWare bases the price of it's products on development and production costs and what the market will bear. It pays US developers in US dollars. How much development would get done if it paid the developers according to your plan? Not enough to keep them with the company, I bet. If you don't like the price of some commercial software, write your own open-source version or find a similar open-source project and help it out. Stealing software is not the answer. -- Alex Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ANSoft Computing -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing pure 2.6 & udev system
Hi, EvgGad wrote: Hello! Yestarday I decidet to install a pure 2.6 kernel & udev system, but I don't know how to do that, when I do bootstrap-2.6.sh instead of bootstrap.sh it merges 2.4 kernel headers and even when I emerge udev before emerge system it all the same offers to install devfsd. Any recomendations/suggestions? Use bootstrap-2.6.sh if you are planning to use NPTL (this is not related to udev/devfs in any way). Use bootstrap.sh if you want things to work :) (although I hear NPTL is almost there now...) Gentoo will install devfsd during the installation. Ignore it. manually emerge udev, hotplug, and a newish 2.6.x kernel. Dont compile devfs support into kernel. On first bootup, gentoo will notice the presence of udev, and won't try any of the devfs stuff. Daniel -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Difference between Athlon & Athlon Tbird
On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 03:17, Spider wrote: > the XP's perform better and are more heat efficient.. The XP Barton > class (an upgrade to the XP ) runs even better, you can run it at a > slower speed and aquire the same performance as previous XP's.. Sorta > neat, as it means better performance and less heat, and as all who can't > afford watercooling and heatpipes know, heat == noise, and noise is > bad. ;) > > > //Spider My 2800XP Barton core (2075 Mhz) is overclocked to 2188 Mhz (approx a 3000XP i think). Hottest it's ever gotten was while rendering a 1600x1200 3d image made in 3Ds Max. Got to 144 degrees farenheit. Finished the same render about 25 minutes after my buddy's P4 HT 3.06 o/c'ed to 3.33. Those run hotit never locked, but the cpu got to 172 degrees. I must say however, having 12 fans sure makes for a loud computer =0P -- Brendan Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Life after xfree
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, David Hart wrote: > and further down the GPL: > > ^ 4. You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Program > ^ except as expressly provided under this License. Any attempt otherwise > ^ to copy, modify, sublicense or distribute the Program is void, and will > ^ automatically terminate your rights under this License. However, parties > ^ who have received copies, or rights, from you under this License will > ^ not have their licenses terminated so long as such parties remain in > ^ full compliance. > > It doesn't say that if you don't comply with the license that you must > open up your (closed) source, merely that your rights to copy, modify > and distribute the software are void. > You're missing the point. If you don't comply with the license, you don't get to use the bits of code that you wanted to that fall under the GPL. Otherwise, you are in violation of the GPL and that falls under copyright law. If source isn't opened to comply with the GPL and you continue to use the GPL'd software as part of your work, then the GPL doesn't really have teeth because it hasn't been/can't be enforced. Enforced means you need to comply with the provisions set forth in the GPL as noted previously. Ric -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Installing pure 2.6 & udev system
Hello! Yestarday I decidet to install a pure 2.6 kernel & udev system, but I don't know how to do that, when I do bootstrap-2.6.sh instead of bootstrap.sh it merges 2.4 kernel headers and even when I emerge udev before emerge system it all the same offers to install devfsd. Any recomendations/suggestions? Best regards, EvgGad -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vmware
On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:42:53 -0500 Larry Schuler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You missed one other option, do without. That is what I am doing. > > Exactly. > > I would love to have one of those new Ferrari's. But, oh my, they're > too expensive, and my poor little self can't afford one on my piddly > salary. So, should I just go steal one > > > Bruce E. Harris wrote: > > You missed one other option, do without. That is what I am doing. > > > > On Tuesday 02 March 2004 07:08 pm, Bruce E. Harris wrote: > > > >>>I know that 300$ is nothing in your world with people being payed > >that>>much in a day (if say a doctor worked in your country he might > >get close>>to 300$ a day), but few people here have a salary in that > >range over>>here. > >>> > >>>So we have several options, > >>>1. Buy the exorbitantly priced software. > >>>2. Buy a pirated cd of the software (.5$) > >>>3. Download a cracked vesion of the sofware. > >>> > >>>Grendel > > You guys are obviously too far down the intellectual ladder. If you have high enough IQ, you can see right through all this personal integrity and moral honesty crap; just take whatever you want. What's the old saying among gang bangers - "What you see is what you get!" Doing without is only for the poor schmucks who play by the rules. Makes me want to head right down to Best Buy and rip off a laptop or (more likely) to puke!!! -- Collins Richey - Denver area gentoo testing 2.6.3-rc2 nptl udev -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.2 freezing
On 3 Mar 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Norbert Kamenicky wrote: > >> Hello everybody :-) >> >> After upgrading to KDE 3.2 if I left click on any button which >> opens a list (i.e. KDE icon button, task list etc.) I have 30% >> chance that mouse and keyboard become frozen until the time >> I press left-ALT keyboard button. >> It's really very annoying. >> >> Anybody else experienced this ? >> > Hi. I'm glad you acknowledged this. For some time now I've been > having this type of problem and it's driving me crazy! Sometimes > (frequently, probably 75% of the time) when I copy a URL, and then > click on Klipper to pick it from the list, the list pops up, but > then everything in kde stops, except for my mouse pointer. The only > way I've found to get back to a 'normal' state was to switch to a > VC, but maybe that's because I press left ALT in doing so. I'll have > to try this. Note that I've never had this problem on anything other > than Klipper though. I have the kmenu, control center and home > directory lists on my kicker bar and these all work fine. > > If you find a solution/cause for this, please let me know. I see a similar problem on my Solaris box at work which does not happen on my Gentoo linux box at home. In my case sometimes when I select a task in the taskbar that has several windows associated with it the system seems to freeze when the menu to select the window appears. However the keyboard still works so I can use the cursor keys to move up and down the menu plus select an entry by pressing return. Once I have done this KDE comes back to life. This started happening when I upgraded QT to 3.2.2 without changing the version of KDE I had at the time - probably 3.1.3. It has persisted since even after upgrading both QT and KDE, so I still see it with my current setup of KDE 3.2 and QT 3.3.0. This makes me think the problem is in QT. However other people at work that are using the same version do not see the problem! Steve -- Steve EvansE-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB:http://www.gorbag.com Registered Linux user #217906: http://counter.li.org Public Encyption Key: http://www.gorbag.com/public-key.html 2.6.3-gentoo-r1 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GNU/Linux 14:42:44 up 1 day, 16:34, 2 users, load average: 0.14, 0.17, 0.17 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vmware
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 09:42:53AM -0500, Larry Schuler wrote: > > You missed one other option, do without. That is what I am doing. > > Exactly. > > I would love to have one of those new Ferrari's. But, oh my, they're too > expensive, and my poor little self can't afford one on my piddly salary. > So, should I just go steal one > If you'll steal a Ferray the owner will not have it anymore. This is not the case in software. > > Bruce E. Harris wrote: > >You missed one other option, do without. That is what I am doing. > > > >On Tuesday 02 March 2004 07:08 pm, Bruce E. Harris wrote: > > > >>>I know that 300$ is nothing in your world with people being payed that > >>>much in a day (if say a doctor worked in your country he might get close > >>>to 300$ a day), but few people here have a salary in that range over > >>>here. > >>> > >>>So we have several options, > >>>1. Buy the exorbitantly priced software. > >>>2. Buy a pirated cd of the software (.5$) > >>>3. Download a cracked vesion of the sofware. > >>> > >>>Grendel > > > > > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] recent virus mails
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all! The recent virus that's going around is causing quite a few problems. Including being posted to a couple of lists, and generating a great deal of bounce messages. The infrastructure team is working on the problem, and is trying to resolve this as quickly as possible. If you have any questions, please let me know. Thank you all for your patience while we work this out.:) - -- Gentoo Linux: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.gentoo.org Freenode staff member: [EMAIL PROTECTED] , http://www.freenode.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAReI8U5AGPOTGNc8RApHaAJ95EjElpyJJjexooInv9NZ6Az3gbwCdFzfc qJUvH7MgA0ftiWAmhMig7KQ= =1bVX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Life after xfree
Are there two Grendels out there? On Wednesday 03 March 2004 13:08, Grendel wrote: [snip] > Its just that > 1. We have a fine license called the GPL. In 'Re: [gentoo-user] Life after xfree' on 29 February 2004 16:39, Grendel wrote: > > If you feel this strongly, why do you use the GPL..? > > Unfortunately when i wrote prozgui i didnt understand much of the > licensing, only that there was a thing called GPL, which every project > seemed to include, so thats what I did and it unfortunately stayed the > same. > > Unfortunately I started realising the limitations of the GPL, that is why > I am releasing the next prozgui under the Mozilla Public License 1.1 thus > showing a big finger to that !$#! RMS who has done his best to ruin and > retard the progression of linux (ecgs and gcc, xemacs and emacs, > gnome+kde) and the GPL which is too restrictive. > > PS. Thank heavens that RMS's HURD was a miserable failure otherwise he > would have insisted that every software run on it be GPL compatible. what > a #$!!#. That doesn't really fit together. > Its time to dissipate the FUD. Definitely. Best, Jan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] nfs install crashes
hi gentoo-user, I got the following setup: 1) [EMAIL PROTECTED] server 128mb ram lots of scsi raid diskspace. all partitions are mounted to their mountpoints and also shared via nfs. on this machine gentoo shalll be installed! ;-) host system: knoppix 3.3 2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] notebook 256mb ram all nfs shares from server are cleanly mounted to /mnt/gentoo this machine shall do the compiling host system: gentoo (of course) after the chroot I did the emerge sync and stuff and also edited the make.conf to fit with the servers hardware. now bootstrapping. bootstrap compiled portage at first without any problem! but then the first dependency 'gettext' breaks up with the following output: [... portage compiling fine befor this ...] ... >>> Regenerating /etc/ld.so.cache... >>> sys-apps/portage-2.0.50-r1 merged. * GNU info directory index is up-to-date. Calculating dependencies ...done! >>> emerge (1 of 6) sys-devel/gettext-0.12.1 to / >>> md5 src_uri ;-) gettext-0.12.1.tar.gz >>> Unpacking source... >>> Unpacking gettext-0.12.1.tar.gz to /var/tmp/portage/gettext-0.12.1/work bootstrap * Applying gettext-0.12.1-bootstrap.patch... [ ok ] >>> Source unpacked. nls configure: WARNING: If you wanted to set the --build type, don't use --host. If a cross compiler is detected then cross compile mode will be used. checking for a BSD-compatible install... /bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for gawk... gawk checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking for i586-pc-linux-gnu-strip... no checking for strip... strip checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking host system type... i586-pc-linux-gnu configure: creating ./config.status config.status: creating Makefile configure: configuring in autoconf-lib-link configure: running /bin/sh './configure' --prefix=/usr '--prefix=/usr' '--host=i586-pc-linux-gnu' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--sysconfdir=/etc' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--disable-shared' '--with-included-gettext' 'CC=gcc' 'CFLAGS=-march=pentium-mmx -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer' 'CXXFLAGS=-march=pentium-mmx -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer' 'CXX=gcc' 'host_alias=i586-pc-linux-gnu' --cache-file=/dev/null --srcdir=. configure: WARNING: If you wanted to set the --build type, don't use --host. If a cross compiler is detected then cross compile mode will be used. checking for a BSD-compatible install... /bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... configure: error: newly created file is older than distributed files! Check your system clock configure: error: /bin/sh './configure' failed for autoconf-lib-link !!! ERROR: sys-devel/gettext-0.12.1 failed. !!! Function econf, Line 365, Exitcode 1 !!! econf failed no, I did not use distcc, since I think that it should not be neccassary for this. all destination-partitions are locally mounted on the notebook so it should be a normal local installation process, right? gruss /Christian mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I propose that the following character sequence for joke markers: :-) 19-Sep-82 11:44Scott E Fahlman -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Life after xfree
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Jan Drugowitsch uttered the following immortal words, > Are there two Grendels out there? > > On Wednesday 03 March 2004 13:08, Grendel wrote: > [snip] > > Its just that > > 1. We have a fine license called the GPL. "Fine", as in not my opinion but the opinion of some who defend it like fanatics. I think the term is referred to as "metaphorically speaking". I personally prefer the MPL. Grendel -- Grendels annoyance filter is so advanced that some people arrive on the list pre plonked. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Mixer - mic & CD are quiet
On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 08:23, Goran Kavrecic wrote: > I have setup audio some time ago and it was fine until I tried to play > a CD - there was no sound. Later again I had problems with the > microphone. > > I added the 'lsmod' output if it helps. > > What additional info do you need to help me out? > > root # lsmod > Module Size Used byNot tainted > floppy 47036 0 (autoclean) > serial 49092 0 (autoclean) > isa-pnp28100 0 (autoclean) [serial] > parport_pc 24520 1 (autoclean) > lp 6400 0 (autoclean) > parport22720 1 (autoclean) [parport_pc lp] > usb-storage55860 0 (unused) > uhci 23216 0 (unused) > ehci-hcd 13288 0 (unused) > ohci1394 15592 0 (unused) > ieee1394 29708 0 [ohci1394] > snd-pcm-oss34756 0 > snd-mixer-oss 10992 1 [snd-pcm-oss] > snd-via82xx10912 1 (autoclean) > snd-pcm53632 0 (autoclean) [snd-pcm-oss snd-via82xx] > snd-ac97-codec 35992 0 (autoclean) [snd-via82xx] > snd-mpu401-uart 2752 0 (autoclean) [snd-via82xx] > snd-rawmidi12448 0 (autoclean) [snd-mpu401-uart] > snd-page-alloc 5748 0 (autoclean) [snd-via82xx snd-pcm] > snd-seq-oss24192 0 (unused) > snd-seq-midi-event 3264 0 [snd-seq-oss] > snd-seq30448 2 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event] > snd-timer 12644 0 [snd-pcm snd-seq] > snd-seq-device 3776 0 [snd-rawmidi snd-seq-oss snd-seq] > snd28260 0 [snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-via82xx > snd-pcm snd-ac97-codec snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-oss > snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-timer snd-seq-device] > soundcore 3364 6 [snd] > usbcore55488 1 [usb-storage uhci ehci-hcd] > nls_iso8859-1 2780 1 (autoclean) > nls_cp437 4316 1 (autoclean) > vfat9324 1 (autoclean) > fat29816 0 (autoclean) [vfat] > sk98lin 125476 1 > > Regards, > Goran > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > Have you checked the Master and PCM settings in alsamixer? That usually gets me when I upgrade alsa. Both the Master and PCM channels are muted by default. -- Alex Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ANSoft Computing -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vmware
0. Bull? Learn some manners, sir. 1. VMware was developed by the company. It is not produced by them. No one produces a software. 2. I never said that it is free. It is not. 3. It is NOT stolen!!! only a physical item can be stolen. 4. If he can't pay the american price that they demand then they are NOT deprived of income. 5. He does have the right to own it. VMware must offer him a price relative to the income in his country. Yuval On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 10:12:38AM -0500, Larry Schuler wrote: > Bull. > > VMware is "produced" by a company and sold for money. They have set up a > legal entity to do this. Just because their product is not something you > can touch and feel, does not make it free. When it is stolen, your > depriving the company of income that is needed to pay for salaries, R&D, > brick&mortar facilities, etc. The company *is* deprived of income! > > Bottom line, and you know it, your taking something you have not > purchased, and have no right to own. > > > Scharf Yuval wrote: > >On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 09:42:53AM -0500, Larry Schuler wrote: > > > >>>You missed one other option, do without. That is what I am doing. > >> > >>Exactly. > >> > >>I would love to have one of those new Ferrari's. But, oh my, they're too > >>expensive, and my poor little self can't afford one on my piddly salary. > >>So, should I just go steal one > >> > > > > > >If you'll steal a Ferray the owner will not have it anymore. > >This is not the case in software. > > > > > >>Bruce E. Harris wrote: > >> > >>>You missed one other option, do without. That is what I am doing. > >>> > >>>On Tuesday 02 March 2004 07:08 pm, Bruce E. Harris wrote: > >>> > >>> > >I know that 300$ is nothing in your world with people being payed that > >much in a day (if say a doctor worked in your country he might get > >close > >to 300$ a day), but few people here have a salary in that range over > >here. > > > >So we have several options, > >1. Buy the exorbitantly priced software. > >2. Buy a pirated cd of the software (.5$) > >3. Download a cracked vesion of the sofware. > > > >Grendel > >>> > >>> > >> > >>-- > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > >> > > > > > > > >-- > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vmware
> You missed one other option, do without. That is what I am doing. Exactly. I would love to have one of those new Ferrari's. But, oh my, they're too expensive, and my poor little self can't afford one on my piddly salary. So, should I just go steal one Bruce E. Harris wrote: You missed one other option, do without. That is what I am doing. On Tuesday 02 March 2004 07:08 pm, Bruce E. Harris wrote: I know that 300$ is nothing in your world with people being payed that much in a day (if say a doctor worked in your country he might get close to 300$ a day), but few people here have a salary in that range over here. So we have several options, 1. Buy the exorbitantly priced software. 2. Buy a pirated cd of the software (.5$) 3. Download a cracked vesion of the sofware. Grendel -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Mixer - mic & CD are quiet
I have setup audio some time ago and it was fine until I tried to play a CD - there was no sound. Later again I had problems with the microphone. I added the 'lsmod' output if it helps. What additional info do you need to help me out? root # lsmod Module Size Used byNot tainted floppy 47036 0 (autoclean) serial 49092 0 (autoclean) isa-pnp28100 0 (autoclean) [serial] parport_pc 24520 1 (autoclean) lp 6400 0 (autoclean) parport22720 1 (autoclean) [parport_pc lp] usb-storage55860 0 (unused) uhci 23216 0 (unused) ehci-hcd 13288 0 (unused) ohci1394 15592 0 (unused) ieee1394 29708 0 [ohci1394] snd-pcm-oss34756 0 snd-mixer-oss 10992 1 [snd-pcm-oss] snd-via82xx10912 1 (autoclean) snd-pcm53632 0 (autoclean) [snd-pcm-oss snd-via82xx] snd-ac97-codec 35992 0 (autoclean) [snd-via82xx] snd-mpu401-uart 2752 0 (autoclean) [snd-via82xx] snd-rawmidi12448 0 (autoclean) [snd-mpu401-uart] snd-page-alloc 5748 0 (autoclean) [snd-via82xx snd-pcm] snd-seq-oss24192 0 (unused) snd-seq-midi-event 3264 0 [snd-seq-oss] snd-seq30448 2 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event] snd-timer 12644 0 [snd-pcm snd-seq] snd-seq-device 3776 0 [snd-rawmidi snd-seq-oss snd-seq] snd28260 0 [snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-via82xx snd-pcm snd-ac97-codec snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-timer snd-seq-device] soundcore 3364 6 [snd] usbcore55488 1 [usb-storage uhci ehci-hcd] nls_iso8859-1 2780 1 (autoclean) nls_cp437 4316 1 (autoclean) vfat9324 1 (autoclean) fat29816 0 (autoclean) [vfat] sk98lin 125476 1 Regards, Goran -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Life after xfree
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 06:44:50PM +0600, Grendel wrote: > On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Jason Stubbs uttered the following immortal words, > > > I don't believe this is true, either. As far as I know, a closed source app > > only has to open up its source if it is distributed. From what I can tell, > > there are no provisions in the GPL for a company to link against, rewrite or > > do anything else they wish with GPL'd code if it is not redistributed. > > Since 99.9% of apps are written to be distributed, the above issue does > not have any practical benefit. Where _did_ you get that 99.9% figure from? It's my understanding that more software gets written in house for use within the company than for distribution. So for GPLd software that doesn't get distributed you can modify it to your heart's content and keep your business logic and whatnot safe. -- David Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.2 freezing (more bugs)
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 10:52:18AM +0100, Norbert Kamenicky wrote:
> Hello everybody :-)
>
> After upgrading to KDE 3.2 if I left click on any button which
> opens a list (i.e. KDE icon button, task list etc.) I have 30%
> chance that mouse and keyboard become frozen until the time
> I press left-ALT keyboard button.
> It's really very annoying.
>
Not exactly this issue, but I have definitely experienced others. I
think KDE 3.2 is somewhat buggy actually, contrary to what is being
said(?).
(No config-reuse from kde3.1)
* Menu editor updates that don't work properly, changes to an Exec-entry
is lost, even though you save it, workaround is to manually edit the
.desktop files in ~/.kde/share/applnk/.
* The menu system in general seems really buggy, especially if you do
too much re-organizing. I did, and had to go back to the default,
because my new menu-hierarchy simply wouldn't work.
($ rm -vrf ~/.config ~/.kde/share/applnk)
* The only improvement I've seen in the meny-area was the addition of
the separators ("Most used", "All apps", "Actions"...). The rest still
is, well, too much. The "More programs"-> submenus need to be dealt
with.
* KHelpcenter takes like 45-60 seconds before it pops up. (not that I
really use it that much=)
* KHotkeys simply don't work for some plain key combinations
* KHotkeys window activation, which I planned to be using for activating
XMMS, only works once, then the window won't activate anymore.
* KWallet crashes if you play around in the Wallet Manager too much
* Some weird kicker-crashes still occur (but very rare)
* 'kdeinit: dcopserver --nosid': this process is not killed properly after
exiting KDE (sometimes), so they can pile up in memory (workaround: add
'killall -9 kdeinit' at the end of /etc/X11/Sessions/kde-3.2.0 or the
startkde script, or your .xinitrc/.xsession)
* Deleting cookies from Konqueror config sometimes doesn't work, they
come right back if you re-open the config menu later, probably some
KCookieJar problem
* Juk / noatun can suddenly play FLAC files(a very good thing,
obviously), but use like 10 seconds to start playing, and no
seeking (XMMS still lives). Oh, and noatun loves to crash when you're
playing around with the plugins.
* The whole Konsole Configuration/Session/Schema/Font/save defaults stuff is
all a mess (slightly improved in recent KDE versions),
this needs to be simplified or re-worked, IMHO.
* For new users: Two klipper instances are started(in the systray) at
first boot after the KPersonalizer wizard has run. When closing them,
the Kicker crashes. This is not a very pleasant first impression for
possible future users.
* Selecting Console-login (ALT-N) i KDM pops you out in VT-land,
but suddenly KDM takes over in the middle of the session and pops back
up. (Workaround: stop KDM after going into the VT; my setup doesn't
allow VT switching from X)
* Keeping/overwriting the old(kde3.1) config with kde3.2 is, sadly, not
a good idea. It's probably very situation-specific, but a clean start
makes KDE happier, but the user more un-happy, having to spend a lot
of time tuning things back up.(One of the things that happened to me
when re-using the old config, was that some desktop icons kept jumping
to different locations(between sessions), for strange reaons. Perhaps
the coordiantes are stored in a different place in 3.2 vs 3.1)
[KDE Compile-flags: -O2 -march=pentium3 -fomit-frame-pointer, QT3.3.0]
I will perhaps find time to report some of these, if they haven't
already been put in KDE's or Gentoo's bugzilla.
Looking forward to 3.2.1.
(There are many very positive aspects of KDE3.2 also(it's the best
Linux DE in existence!), but the topic here was bugs.)
Øyvind
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Re: [gentoo-user] nfs install crashes
hi, while I wait for help from this list, I started the compilation on the server itself and it seems to run along fine, but... _why_??? gruss /Christian mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I propose that the following character sequence for joke markers: :-) 19-Sep-82 11:44Scott E Fahlman -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.2 freezing
Norbert Kamenicky wrote: Hello everybody :-) After upgrading to KDE 3.2 if I left click on any button which opens a list (i.e. KDE icon button, task list etc.) I have 30% chance that mouse and keyboard become frozen until the time I press left-ALT keyboard button. It's really very annoying. Anybody else experienced this ? Hi. I'm glad you acknowledged this. For some time now I've been having this type of problem and it's driving me crazy! Sometimes (frequently, probably 75% of the time) when I copy a URL, and then click on Klipper to pick it from the list, the list pops up, but then everything in kde stops, except for my mouse pointer. The only way I've found to get back to a 'normal' state was to switch to a VC, but maybe that's because I press left ALT in doing so. I'll have to try this. Note that I've never had this problem on anything other than Klipper though. I have the kmenu, control center and home directory lists on my kicker bar and these all work fine. If you find a solution/cause for this, please let me know. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] lost /dev/cdroms/cdrom0
Dennis Robertson wrote: Daniel, I would be grateful for any help in getting the parallel printer recognised, though. Thanks again. Regards. OK. Looking at the parallel printing driver, I don't see any SYSFS support. Meaning that udev can't yet create nodes for parallel printers (unfortunately there are still about 150 drivers to convert to SYSFS..). For now you will have to create the node manually. Place the following line into /etc/conf.d/local.start : mknod /dev/lp0 c 6 0 Also run it as root from a terminal now. You should then be able to print, if not, check the permissions on the /dev/lp0 node. Restarting CUPS may also help. Out of interest (and from having not used a parallel printer in ages), are these things "hotpluggable" - does dmesg print any notices when the printer is turned on and off? I'm just thinking in terms of how future udev/sysfs support for parallel printers might work in the future. Daniel -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] install gentoo on dell poweredge 1600sc...
> > --On Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:03:59 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Yeah... you wanna know what I am hunting for? :) >> >> The problem is... gentoo livecd is failed to find my scsi-disk. >> and I found I need LSI Fusion MPT SCSI controller support built in >> kernel. >> >> What should I do now? >> >>> Yep. > > Mmm. OK, I'm not sure from your post if you solved your problem or not. > In case you haven't... > > Assuming your system is equipped with a PERC RAID card: > > 1. Boot with a (I used a 2.6) LiveCD. > 2. Let the beast come up to the command prompt. > 3. Type: modprobe megaraid (doesn't find the array/card via the > autoprobe mechanism). > 4. Test by 'fdisk'ing to sda (fdisk /dev/sda). > > Like I say, if your card's a PERC, are your SYSTEM/RAID BIOS are > relatively current, the above show give you disk access. Just make sure > you build the megaraid driver into your kernel. > > /tom > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Thanks and my problem was already solved :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Life after xfree
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 07:08:09PM +0600, Grendel wrote: > On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, David Hart uttered the following immortal words, > > > And what's with the 'punish' and 'scare' bit anyway? Do you really > > think that's an attitude that that will help the cause of Free software in > > the minds of most people - to be seen as litigatious(sp?) and out for > > revenge? There's more than enough of that in the world already. > > Its just that > 1. We have a fine license called the GPL. > > 2. However we dont know how it would stand out in the court of law, the > law is widely open for debate, and we have to know the legality of the > GPL. The law is quite clear IMO. If you distribute GPLd software without` complying with its terms, standard copyright comes into effect which means: YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DISTRIBUTE THE SOFTWARE AT ALL If this is in any doubt then so is the business model of all commercial software vendors. > SCO has called the GPL unconstitutional, well I am not subscribing to > their views, but we need some kind of legal ruling for the benefit of all > who use the GPL. There are certain constituional rights, and it would be > interesting to see if the GPL comes into conflict with them or not. I think here you're closer to the real problem in that there are many in government who would happily outlaw/hinder F/OSS for the bribes (campaign contributions, or whatever) from certain commercial interests. But this is something which, IMO, needs to be dealt with at a political level if we are to maintain and develop an environment where F/OSS can survive and flourish. -- David Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
