Re: [gentoo-user] Great Distro
On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 15:51, Oliver Lange wrote: > I come from SuSE and i can only say the same: gentoo is great > (even if i trashed my world favorites file and then deleted about > 20 packages with depclean, now my gnome doesn't load a desktop > background anymore, but this is another topic :) Just a note: many of the things in gentoolkit do not hook in directly to Portage, so they may not use the proper algorithms to do their work. This means that a lot of the helper scripts, while handy, sometimes mess up. A good solution to this is to join the gentoo-portage-dev mailing list and make sure that these features are in portage-ng by default. We will also make sure that portage-ng can be easily extended so script developers can hook into the "official" Portage-ng functions/extensions. Regards, Daniel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] bittorrent
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 16:40, Pupeno wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I was just thinking if it wouldn't be a good idea to integrate bittorrent into > ebuild so people could use it to download the sources from diferent mirrors > and even people could share a bit aliviating mirrors' task... of course, the > current way should be available always and bittorrent as an improved way if > it is posible (that is, if bittorrent is installed (and enabled ?) and > there's a .bittorrent file for the file that's going to be downloaded). > Or this is already done and I didn't know ? > Thanks. I talked to the bittorent author about this and he was happy to help, and it would be nice to add this functionality. He did point out that bittorrent works best with large files like ISOs rather than standard-sized archives, though. Best Regards, Daniel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] genkernel again (initrd)
On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 17:34, Daniel Robbins wrote: > Actually, this looks like a 1.7 bug. Should have it fixed in an hour or > so in 1.8. Modules aren't getting copied. Genkernel 1.8 has been committed to CVS, and should hit rsync mirrors in about an hour. It is now copying modules properly. Apologies for the flaky 1.7 release. Best Regards, Daniel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] genkernel again (initrd)
On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 16:36, Sven Vermeulen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 09:32:08PM +0200, Karl Huysmans wrote: > > Honestly, I still can't figure out how initrd is created by genkernel. > > I'm just judging from the sources now, so don't shoot me if I'm wrong, but I > think you have to define your extra module(s) inside the STORAGE_MODULES > variable, defined in /etc/kernels/settings. Actually, this looks like a 1.7 bug. Should have it fixed in an hour or so in 1.8. Modules aren't getting copied. Regards, Daniel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] genkernel again (initrd)
On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 16:36, Sven Vermeulen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 09:32:08PM +0200, Karl Huysmans wrote: > > Honestly, I still can't figure out how initrd is created by genkernel. > > I'm just judging from the sources now, so don't shoot me if I'm wrong, but I > think you have to define your extra module(s) inside the STORAGE_MODULES > variable, defined in /etc/kernels/settings. > > This ofcourse implies that you know how the module is called. Yes, that would work. I need to get 3ware added to the defaults; it's possible that the module was renamed in 2.4.22 or we missed it. Regards, Daniel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] genkernel again (initrd)
On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 13:32, Karl Huysmans wrote: > Hi all, > > Honestly, I still can't figure out how initrd is created by genkernel. I > got a 3ware with 4 45 Gig disks connected (RAID 10). My entire system is > on this RAID. > > Tried to build a kernel (2.4.22) with genkernel (1.7), 3ware as module. > During boot, initrd seems to load (detecting storage, detecting usb or > something like that) but the 3ware modules are not loaded, kernel panics > because it doesn't find /root. > > Solved the problem by re-compiling the kernel (genkernel --config) with > 3ware built-in, no problems. I filed a bug for you: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28469 ...and assigned it to me. Will look into it before I roll the next genkernel release. did you use vanilla-sources-2.4.22 or did you grab the kernel sources by hand? Oh, create a bugzilla account at http://bugs.gentoo.org and reply by adding a comment to the bug :) you should also be able to add yourself to the cc: list for the bug after you have an account. Best Regards, Daniel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[gentoo-user] great new gentoo wallpapers....
Hi Guys, Here are some nice new Gentoo wallpapers from http://dugnet.com/klown http://www.dugnet.com/klown/wallpaper/viewpaper.php?id=gentootux-v http://www.dugnet.com/klown/wallpaper/viewpaper.php?id=gentootux-dv http://www.dugnet.com/klown/wallpaper/viewpaper.php?id=gentootux-dg Best Regards, Daniel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] The $100 Linux UPS Challenge
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 08:41, Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi, >This has been an ongoing problem for me. Can anyone recommend a UPS for a > Linux desktop type machine that can do an automated shutdown and runs in the > neighborhood of $100? I have no trouble with this in Windows, doing it with > $60 USB versions from APC, but I haven't found anything similar for Linux. > >If you've solved this problem, please respond back with both the UPS > model number (if possible) and where to get the drivers. APC BackUPS XS 1000; has a USB hook-up, works with apcupsd and runs about $125 for 1000VA. I picked mine up at Office Depot, and they're also available at CompUSA. It's what I use, and it works well for me. Note: this is not an official endorsement :) Best Regards, Daniel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Audigy2 configuration
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 02:45, Leonid Podolny wrote: > Hi, > This issue is not strictly gentoo-related, but I hope someone has > encountered it in the past and can help me. > I've recently bought an audigy2 card. I had no idea that it could be > unsupported -- after all, the creative production is as mainstream as > could be :). However, I can't get it to work. When it comes to the emu10k1 drivers on sourceforge, it appears you are not alone: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=644751&group_id=44773&atid=440822 It appears that the cvs version of the emu10k1 driver may have some Audigy 2 support. By now it could have complete support. I've opened a Gentoo bug on this issue for you: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27529 Feel free to create a bugzilla account and add yourself to the cc list for this bug (I think bugzilla should let you do that with no special privs.) Best Regards, Daniel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Opteron anyone?
On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 03:22:06PM +0200, Terje Kvernes wrote: > ordered a dual 1.8Ghz Opteron to do numbercrunching. we've also > bought a dual 3.06Ghz P4 Xeon with HyperThreading to compare it > with, but there is very little doubt that the Opteron will come out > first. I wouldn't make that assumption. I could very easily see the dual Xeon outperforming the dual Opteron -- make sure to test the specific application first. In fact, I would wager that the dual Xeon will outperform the Opteron in most situations, based on my experience. The Opteron 240 seems to be performing somewhere between an XP 2000+ and XP 2200+; not even up to Athlon MP levels yet -- based on my testing, which is by no means exhaustive. And hyperthreading can make a very significant difference for many types of loads, too. Be sure to benchmark what you are actually going to be using the machine for. A lot of us work under the assumption that "64-bit is faster," and that's not necessarily true. Best Regards, -- Daniel Robbins Chief Architect, Gentoo Linux http://www.gentoo.org pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Opteron anyone?
On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 09:47:15PM -0400, Jerry McBride wrote: > Absolutely fantastic. > > Dan, can you do me a favor? Next time you boot the opteron, make a note what > the bogomip number is and let us know... I'm curious what it reports. > > Thanks and I can't wait to jump into the next generation AMD... Calibrating delay loop... 2778.72 BogoMIPS Calibrating delay loop... 2785.28 BogoMIPS Total of 2 processors activated (5564.00 BogoMIPS). That is from CyberLogic's dual Opteron 240 system. Best Regards, -- Daniel Robbins Chief Architect, Gentoo Linux http://www.gentoo.org pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Opteron anyone?
On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 06:53:21PM -0400, Jason Giangrande wrote: > According to this there are plans for a 64-bit version of Gentoo. > > http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20030512-newsletter.xml#doc_chap1_sect3 > > I haven't heard too much about it lately, though. Opteron support is going well. We have stages and a LiveCD in testing. We also have 32-bit environments under AMD64 working perfectly. I'm currently using "stager" (our stage/GRP building script) to build up athlon-xp stages on our test Opteron system that CyberLogic has kindly given us access to (http://www.cyberlogic.net), which is of course running Gentoo/AMD64. Last I heard, X is running perfectly and GNOME compiles fine, but had not yet been tested. That was a little less than a week ago, so we're getting close to release. We may not have it ready in time for LinuxWorld SF, though. Best Regards, -- Daniel Robbins Chief Architect, Gentoo Linux http://www.gentoo.org pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] user-space vs. kernel preemption
On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 12:37:22AM -, Bob Burrough wrote: > finished or not. The scheduler just wants to make sure the next program > gets to run. Complex pre-emptive kernels can introduce concepts such as > prioritization into the scheduler. Linux and Unix systems have always been preemptive in the sense you describe; that's part of the Unix process model. The 'preempt' kernel patch goes beyond this by allowing processes to be pre-empted, *even if* they are in the middle of a kernel call. Without the preempt patch, kernel threads generally do not give up the CPU until the kernel call completes. The 'preempt' kernel patch allows pre-emption to happen in kernel space as well as user space. By doing this, individual kernel calls that are relatively time-consuming can be interrupted and completed in smaller "chunks," rather than one big chunk, allowing for other processes to get CPU more regularly. This decreases overall latency and general "fairness" of the scheduler system-wide, and the tangible benefit of this is much more consistent interactive performance and elimination of "hurky jerky" moments under heavy system load. Best Regards, -- Daniel Robbins Chief Architect, Gentoo Linux http://www.gentoo.org pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/dnsdomainname question
On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 02:38:33AM +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: > The "problem" is that agetty displays the domainname as reported by > /bin/domainname which is the NIS domainname that is stored in > /etc/nisdomainname. This is irritating many people. Personally, I've put > my domainname in /etc/domainname and symlinked /etc/dnsdomainname and > /etc/nisdomainname to it. An IMO better approach would be to patch > agetty to use dnsdomainname (maybe with another letter in /etc/issue). These files have confused many people in the past. Thanks to some good work by Martin Schlemmer, we now have these files set up exactly the way they should be. Unfortunately, some apps like agetty cater to Linux systems that have them set up the wrong way. I agree that it would be a good idea to find a patch for agetty to fix this cosmetic issue. Best Regards, -- Daniel Robbins Chief Architect, Gentoo Linux http://www.gentoo.org pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] new docs?
On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 07:32:07PM -0400, Chris Bare wrote: > Sorry, if I missed it, this is the first mention I've seen of re-written > install docs. When did the re-written ones go up and where are they? > What's different in the new version? I added a complete fdisk and mkfs tutorial to the install docs a couple of months ago. There have also been many other clarifications and improvements made by our documentation team. Best Regards, -- Daniel Robbins Chief Architect, Gentoo Linux http://www.gentoo.org pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] gentoo isn't slow :)
On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 12:50:49PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > Daniel, >One sort of urban legend that's out there in the Linux audio > community has to do with the value of a dual vs. single processor > systems and how much they can help in this area. It depends what you are looking for. If you are worried about dropouts, the main issue is ensuring that the kenrel driver does not get starved for CPU and doesn't allow the playback/record buffer to underrun/overrun. Audio hardware buffers are generally small, so you generally want to ensure that your audio driver is getting CPU regularly. Preempt can help with this. Another issue is the priority your audio device is given on the PCI bus. This can be tweaked for special-purpose situations to prevent garbled audio if you are pushing your PCI bus to the max. You can read more about PCI latency in part 2 of my Linux hardware stability guide: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-hw2.html Third, in theory, yes, a SMP system can allow a process to run unhindered by other processes on the system if you have things set up right. This can be done using "CPU affinity" features which are now in 2.5 as well as 2.4 kernels with the O(1) scheduler (which most of our kernels have.) The real key is first figuring out what problem you want to solve, and then figuring out what is causing that problem. It can be many things, from high system loads, to "unfairness" (or too much fairness) in the process scheduling, or possibly your PCI bus being overloaded or due to PCI device latencies being set wrong, or something else. I think that a modern uni-processor system with preempt and the low-latency patches enabled would be great for audio work. I don't think you'd specifically need SMP, unless maybe I'm unaware of some special situations where it would be needed. Hope this helps, -- Daniel Robbins Chief Architect, Gentoo Linux http://www.gentoo.org pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo is slow
On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 06:30:38PM +0100, Stroller wrote: > > To compare performance, you should use similarly configured kernels. > > Preempt decreases overall performance significantly but also increases > > interactivity greatly. Things will benchmark slower with it enabled, > > like you are experiencing. > > I'm sorry - this is really dumb of me to ask: what is "increased > interactivity" in this context..? Lower latency with audio applications, smoother response in X, general elimination of any "jerkiness" when the system is under heavy load. Generally gives a much better experience when using Gentoo as a desktop environment, or for multimedia apps. You may get slightly lower framerates in games, but the game will be consistently smooth and you won't have audio dropouts even under high load. Best Regards, -- Daniel Robbins Chief Architect, Gentoo Linux http://www.gentoo.org pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo is slow
On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 04:27:38PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: > Mandrake and debian (monolithic, no modules) used the 2.4.21 kernel, > against 2.4.20 gentoo-sources with preempt etc (it seems gentoo is > behind here?) To compare performance, you should use similarly configured kernels. Preempt decreases overall performance significantly but also increases interactivity greatly. Things will benchmark slower with it enabled, like you are experiencing. Best Regards, -- Daniel Robbins Chief Architect, Gentoo Linux http://www.gentoo.org pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] how do i distcc from stage1?
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 09:34:36PM +1200, Nick Rout wrote: > How do i utilise distcc from stage1 install. I have unravelled the stage1 > tarball and chrooted etc. I emerge -p distcc and get the following, which > is an awful lot to do before getting the benefit of distcc. is there some > trick to this?: Try this after emerge sync: # emerge --nodeps distcc # (set up your distcc environment as you need to, with DISTCC_HOSTS, etc.) # export FEATURES="distcc" Then, continue as usual and it *should* work. Best Regards, -- Daniel Robbins Chief Architect, Gentoo Linux http://www.gentoo.org pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] donations to what?
On Sun, Jun 29, 2003 at 01:22:22AM -0600, Joseph Hardin wrote: > Just a point I was wondering about, is there a way to specify what you > would like the donation to go towards(nothing too specific, just the > name of a developer or a project). Something for those of us that can't > spnsor a developer on our own, but want our money going into a specific > area. Yes. You can indicate the intended use of the funds in the paypal comment or in an attached note included with a check. I will then make sure that those funds are set aside for that particular purpose. Best Regards, -- Daniel Robbins Chief Architect, Gentoo Linux http://www.gentoo.org pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] donations to what?
On Sat, Jun 28, 2003 at 05:02:54PM -0700, el lodger wrote: > Speaking of donations- Is there any way around using PayPal? I really > don't like middlemen involved in my giving. You can send checks made out to "Gentoo Technologies, Inc.": Daniel Robbins Gentoo Technologies, Inc. 205 Tulane SE Albuquerque, NM 87106 Just a note -- all funds help, but don't feel obligated to send money. Gentoo Linux is free. Also, I shared personal financial information recently. My family is living modestly, but also comfortably and within our means. The purpose of making a donation is not to help me personally, but to help Gentoo. I am specifically *not* requesting personal financial assistance, and these funds do not go to me personally anyway. You should send money to help support Gentoo only if this is something that you would personally like to do. Best Regards, -- Daniel Robbins Chief Architect, Gentoo Linux http://www.gentoo.org pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Gentoo donations/drobbins personal income numbers
On Sat, Jun 28, 2003 at 06:27:11PM +0200, Daniel Armyr wrote: > Does Gentoo do accounting? In that case, some financial statements would > put many people at ease, or at least, those of us who can read them. Sure. Here is information from Gentoo Technologies, Inc. 941 Employer's Quarterly Federal Tax Return for the first quarter of 2003: 1. Total wages and tips, plus other compensation$7778.45 This is my personal gross income (money Gentoo Technologies paid to me) for January, February and March 2003. This money comes from an independent source, not donations. After taxes (net income) I received exactly $6250.00. According to my "bc" math, this is: $2083.33 per month Or, extended throughout the entire year: 2083.33*12 $25,000 per year This quarterly number is actually slightly low due to some money slated to become personal income that I kept in the company and redirected towards LinuxWorld expenses. My annual income tends to be around 35,000 to 40,000 per year. I live in the United States; I have a a 3 year-old daughter and another expected in four weeks. I have a wife who is a full-time mom by choice, who is very supportive of what I do but at the same time often wonders if maybe it would be best for us if I would stop doing Gentoo and get a "real" job. I will not go into the debt that I (personally, not Gentoo) have accumulated due to my career choice. If someone wants to know, just ask, and I will share this personal information as well. I've probably already shared too much, and I'm not trying to evoke pity or be overly melodramatic, just clear my name. The total income Gentoo received from donations, our advertisements on the site, and CafePress.com for the first quarter of 2003 amounted to a generous $4849.78, or an average of $1616.59 per month. This money was used for LWE-related expenses, hardware, and to assist an unnamed developer who was having trouble paying basic living expenses (not me.) This money *does* make a difference, *is* being used legitimately, and is also *greatly* appreciated. Sincerely, -- Daniel Robbins Chief Architect, Gentoo Linux http://www.gentoo.org pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
