Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo as a server
-- quoting Bram De Smet -- > I'm glad to hear you have such great experiences too. > emerge -pu world is worth checking, but I've learned that emerge > -pu --deep world is even worse ;-) Why to do an "emerge -[p]u [--deep] world" on an production enviroment in general - is this a good idea? For example, would you install/upgrade RedHat 9 on a RedHat 8 productions server? And please don't flame me, I don't like RH either, it was only an example ;) Greetings, Matthias -- And anyone can be tooted? -- Homer Simpson, on tutoring The Way We Was -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo as a server
Robert Bragg wrote: If you don't use the ~arch flag it's as stable, if not more so than any other distro's stable version. This has niggled me for a while... Are the ~arch flags intended to denote the stability of the ebuilds or the stability of the packages? To me it makes more sence for them to denote ebuild stability since software developers already have their own mechanisms for telling us which software they recomend as stable (even and odd version numbers etc) and I think they should know best about the software they wrote? Even better than actual field tests? e.g. I was quite happy to find that mutts 1.5 branch ebuild has been marked as stable (Their developer branch last time I looked) which suggests that infact gentoo doesn't have a policy for marking stable software, apart from the ebuilds themselves. (Somthing I would really be happy with since I much appreciate being given a choice about what versions I run.) I think you'll find that the stability of Gentoo packages is dependant on both the ebuild stability and actual program stability. A new ebuild is let out into the wild as ~x86 until it has no bug reports for x number of days/weeks/months, at which point it's moved to x86, (or other arch). So both are taken into account. A great example of how Gentoo is so different from other distros. Is this all clearly specified somewhere, if so can someone give a pointer to the document, else should it be made more clear to people, since I guess their may be others who arn't sure how they should be inturpreted? Can't find it right now, but it's there in the policy somewhere, about how long a package goes before being marked stable. MAL -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo as a server
I've got 6 servers (3 Apache, 2 LVS load balancers, 1 Jabber/DNS) running Gentoo currently and they've been great so far. The Apache servers each get about 116,000 hits per day and have uptime of 47 days (since the day they were built). My Jabber server has been up 55 days with no trouble, which has outlasted my RedHat 7.3 box that was previously on this hardware (used to get random Jabber crashes, on the same Jabber version btw). Though that could be many different factors, Gentoo has been nice and stable for me. Just be careful what you do with emerge -up world, I've found it important to verify what its going to do incase you have to deal with new config files or with custom compile options that you've used or things of that sort. ... Ian Neubert Director of IS TWAcomm.com, Inc. http://www.twacomm.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [gentoo-user] Gentoo as a server Hi! Is gentoo enough stable to act as a server? I mean that it uses the latest development stage for all program. Debian proposes a stable release and a unstable one. What can we do with gentoo? Michel -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo as a server
I'm glad to hear you have such great experiences too. emerge -pu world is worth checking, but I've learned that emerge -pu --deep world is even worse ;-) At home I have a box with an uptime of 150 days, Oracle running. I've never had any crashes so far and i don't expect any. This is the most stable Linux I've seen (the second most stable is my old times favorite: Slackware) Cheers Bram On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 21:46, Ian Neubert wrote: > I've got 6 servers (3 Apache, 2 LVS load balancers, 1 Jabber/DNS) running > Gentoo currently and they've been great so far. The Apache servers each get > about 116,000 hits per day and have uptime of 47 days (since the day they > were built). > > My Jabber server has been up 55 days with no trouble, which has outlasted my > RedHat 7.3 box that was previously on this hardware (used to get random > Jabber crashes, on the same Jabber version btw). Though that could be many > different factors, Gentoo has been nice and stable for me. > > Just be careful what you do with emerge -up world, I've found it important > to verify what its going to do incase you have to deal with new config files > or with custom compile options that you've used or things of that sort. > > ... > Ian Neubert > Director of IS > TWAcomm.com, Inc. > http://www.twacomm.com/ > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:28 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [gentoo-user] Gentoo as a server > > > Hi! > > Is gentoo enough stable to act as a server? I mean that it uses the latest > development stage for all program. Debian proposes a stable release and a > unstable one. What can we do with gentoo? > > Michel > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > -- .:|:. Linux! May the Open Source be with you! |o o| http://www.menteb.org /. V .\ |/| |\| \W W/ DON'T PANIC! GnuPG key http://www.menteb.org/bram.gpg Key ID: 2F307829 @ http://pgp.mit.edu/ Fingerprint CAE0 F924 9590 4D99 7EB5 0A12 D0C7 63C2 2F30 7829 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo as a server
> If you don't use the ~arch flag it's as stable, if not > more so than any other distro's stable version. This has niggled me for a while... Are the ~arch flags intended to denote the stability of the ebuilds or the stability of the packages? To me it makes more sence for them to denote ebuild stability since software developers already have their own mechanisms for telling us which software they recomend as stable (even and odd version numbers etc) and I think they should know best about the software they wrote? e.g. I was quite happy to find that mutts 1.5 branch ebuild has been marked as stable (Their developer branch last time I looked) which suggests that infact gentoo doesn't have a policy for marking stable software, apart from the ebuilds themselves. (Somthing I would really be happy with since I much appreciate being given a choice about what versions I run.) Is this all clearly specified somewhere, if so can someone give a pointer to the document, else should it be made more clear to people, since I guess their may be others who arn't sure how they should be inturpreted? thanks, Robert -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo as a server
Gentoo's version of stable and Debian's version of stable are fundamentally different in that Debian's stable will not break the API of an application on upgrade, while Gentoo will. I just took down a Gentoo server I haven't reinstalled in ages, and over its life I remember Postfix updates especially being a pain because of config changes from v1 to v2 and within v2.x. So don't get me wrong and think that Gentoo isn't stable enough for a server, just make sure you know what you have in mind when you say stable - there's more to it than just not crashing. On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 14:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi! > > Is gentoo enough stable to act as a server? I mean that it uses the latest > development stage for all program. Debian proposes a stable release and a unstable > one. What can we do with gentoo? > > Michel > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo as a server
It really is a personal decision as to whether or not it is stable enough. Personally, I have 8 servers including 2 firewalls running Gentoo without a problem. (and 1 i-Opener just for fun) Personally, I hope they don't do anything more than the ~* to differentiate testing from production. If I wanted a 'stable' release vs. a non-stable release, I'd use Debian. My $0.02, =C= * * Cal Evans * http://www.christianperformer.com * Stay plugged in to your audience! * [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Hi! > > Is gentoo enough stable to act as a server? I mean that it uses the latest > development stage for all program. Debian proposes a stable release and a > unstable one. What can we do with gentoo? > > Michel > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo as a server
On August 4, 2003 02:28 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Is gentoo enough stable to act as a server? I mean that it uses the latest > development stage for all program. Debian proposes a stable release and a > unstable one. What can we do with gentoo? i use it here @home as a webserver/fileserver and even on a little pII 233, it's been wonderful. @work i have a celeron 500 running apache, bind, nfs, samba, netatalk and rsyncd (for other gentoo desktop boxen). while the load on both boxes is negligible (i'm the only developer @home and work) i still see no reason why gentoo wouldn't support more users. -- the idea that bill gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them into it in the first place. - douglas adams, author of "the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo as a server
If you don't use the ~arch flag it's as stable, if not more so than any other distro's stable version. On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:28:14 -0400 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi! Is gentoo enough stable to act as a server? I mean that it uses the latest development stage for all program. Debian proposes a stable release and a unstable one. What can we do with gentoo? Michel -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Gentoo as a server
Hi! Is gentoo enough stable to act as a server? I mean that it uses the latest development stage for all program. Debian proposes a stable release and a unstable one. What can we do with gentoo? Michel -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
