Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
I'll check out the site. Did you file a bug with bugzilla requesting jackstart be added - if so I'll add my comments to it. If not I'll file one. I can't remember of the top of my head how I did it but I got Audacity to record a track from a CD and I saved it as an ogg file which does playback so it works! On Sunday 02 November 2003 00:19, you wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 18:36, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Well, I think so - after all this trouble I need to do something with Yes, it bothered me too. Paul Davis has some comments about that in the README, and possibly on his web site. The PlanetCCRMA kernel uses a patch called the capabilities patch which grants certain root capabilities to a user. The Planet flow is set up to use a program called jackstart (which we don't have on Gentoo, but I have requested in the past) which then allows you to run as a user but Of the others I'll probably also try Audacity as it seemed to work for me better and I could make sense of it. Rezound just doesn't click with me and sweep seems to be more an editor than letting you record. I have to record into a selction but I don't have one when I'm starting new! Yep, they're all different, and thanks to the architecture of Alsa, pretty much every sound card works a little differently. None the less, at least for live audio Audacity is very easy to use. For recording a CD I don't know how to use it, or if it can be used. Cheers, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 08:03, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: I'll check out the site. Did you file a bug with bugzilla requesting jackstart be added - if so I'll add my comments to it. If not I'll file one. I can't remember of the top of my head how I did it but I got Audacity to record a track from a CD and I saved it as an ogg file which does playback so it works! Great news on the jackstart front. Apparently my request was addressed: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27063 I haven't tried it. Please remember, it won't work unless you have the capabilities patch in your kernel. The patch is pretty simple, but since I'm such a newbie I hate doing this stuff myself. With you helping out I'd be up for doing it together and then making sure we both work. The patch an info at the end of this note comes in an email to me from Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano, the person that runs the PlanetCCRMA site: http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ This is Redhat based, but is the absolute easiest and most up to date audio site around. He runs the network for Stanford's Music Department and Stanford allows him to go public with all the benefits. Check it out at least to see more audio stuff available. I run Redhat on one of my two Linux boxes. Also check out Dave Philips wonderful site: http://linux-sound.org/ Cheers, Mark The original stuff: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/security/linux-privs/kernel-2.4/capfaq-0.2.txt The patch I'm currently using: CUT HERE --- linux/include/linux/capability.h~ Thu Nov 22 11:46:19 2001 +++ linux/include/linux/capability.hFri Mar 15 15:16:20 2002 @@ -303,8 +303,8 @@ #define CAP_EMPTY_SET to_cap_t(0) #define CAP_FULL_SETto_cap_t(~0) -#define CAP_INIT_EFF_SETto_cap_t(~0 ~CAP_TO_MASK(CAP_SETPCAP)) -#define CAP_INIT_INH_SETto_cap_t(0) +#define CAP_INIT_EFF_SETto_cap_t(~0) +#define CAP_INIT_INH_SETto_cap_t(~0) #define CAP_TO_MASK(x) (1 (x)) #define cap_raise(c, flag) (cap_t(c) |= CAP_TO_MASK(flag)) CUT HERE -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
Thanks. I'll look into it and see what it takes. On Sunday 02 November 2003 13:16, you wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 08:03, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: I'll check out the site. Did you file a bug with bugzilla requesting jackstart be added - if so I'll add my comments to it. If not I'll file one. I can't remember of the top of my head how I did it but I got Audacity to record a track from a CD and I saved it as an ogg file which does playback so it works! Great news on the jackstart front. Apparently my request was addressed: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27063 I haven't tried it. Please remember, it won't work unless you have the capabilities patch in your kernel. The patch is pretty simple, but since I'm such a newbie I hate doing this stuff myself. With you helping out I'd be up for doing it together and then making sure we both work. The patch an info at the end of this note comes in an email to me from Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano, the person that runs the PlanetCCRMA site: http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ This is Redhat based, but is the absolute easiest and most up to date audio site around. He runs the network for Stanford's Music Department and Stanford allows him to go public with all the benefits. Check it out at least to see more audio stuff available. I run Redhat on one of my two Linux boxes. Also check out Dave Philips wonderful site: http://linux-sound.org/ Cheers, Mark The original stuff: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/security/linux-privs/kernel-2.4/capfaq -0.2.txt The patch I'm currently using: CUT HERE --- linux/include/linux/capability.h~ Thu Nov 22 11:46:19 2001 +++ linux/include/linux/capability.hFri Mar 15 15:16:20 2002 @@ -303,8 +303,8 @@ #define CAP_EMPTY_SET to_cap_t(0) #define CAP_FULL_SETto_cap_t(~0) -#define CAP_INIT_EFF_SETto_cap_t(~0 ~CAP_TO_MASK(CAP_SETPCAP)) -#define CAP_INIT_INH_SETto_cap_t(0) +#define CAP_INIT_EFF_SETto_cap_t(~0) +#define CAP_INIT_INH_SETto_cap_t(~0) #define CAP_TO_MASK(x) (1 (x)) #define cap_raise(c, flag) (cap_t(c) |= CAP_TO_MASK(flag)) CUT HERE -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
Thank you very much. I've been on the Ardour list but haven't taken this question there as I figured there weren't any Gentooers there - glad to hear I'm wrong. I'll try copying creating the ~.ardourrc file although I thought it would default to using the /etc/ardour one if mine didn't exist. I'll definitely visit Jan's site. Cableone was my old provider till I moved! On Saturday 01 November 2003 00:13, you wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 20:58, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: SNIP The docs on Jack also mention using a /etc/asound.rc or ~/.asound.rc file to set up devices, etc. Have you found that necessary? Brett, I just snipped the rest out because if the .ardourrc file isn't set up right then nothing is going to work for you. It's been so long since I've set up Ardour from scratch that I'm going to be doing some guessing here. I think you'll get far better answers subscribing to the ardour-user list. (FYI - I know that one of the developers - Jesse Chappel, and at least one other guy who runs a pro studio, are using Ardour under Gentoo, so don't give up. It will run.) First, copy the ardour.rc file that's in the download directory to your home directory with a name change cp path/ardour/ardour.rc ~/.ardourrc Second, check Jan Depner's Alsa/Jack/Ardour configuration site for config ideas. The address is: http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/Ardour.html#Configuring I think (hope, pray) you'll find what you need there. Jan's a great guy and very organized. He's built this up over the last year. I think it's probably quite good at this point. I'll keep my eyes open for more info on this. Maybe I'll just build it myself from CVS. I haven't done that in a long time. Good luck, MArk -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
Okay, it works then! I'll visit Jan and the other sites and follow your advice about ardourrc and see if I can get mine running. What is qjackctl? I'll definitely let you know - it may take awhile as I have a long list of things that must get done today! On Saturday 01 November 2003 00:59, you wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 20:58, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: I did some more work on it. SNIP Brett, I built it and it's up and running. ./autogen.sh ./configure make make install (as root) as user This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your xfce.org mailing cp path/ardour/ardourrc .ardourrc (necessary?) Started Jack using qjackctl Started Ardour Looked in qjackctl - no evidence of ardour Created a new session Looked in qjackctl - ardour is there My only problem right now is that after I hook some stuff up, I want to record but hitting start isn't working. Anyway, maybe this info will help you. Write back and let me know how it comes out. Cheers, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
Okay, it works then! I'll visit Jan and the other sites and follow your advice about ardourrc and see if I can get mine running. What is qjackctl? I'll definitely let you know - it may take awhile as I have a long list of things that must get done today! Glad you're making headway. qjackctl is an application that allows you to set up Jack, run it, make connections between Jack clients, all in one place. It's very handy. http://qjackctl.sf.net Once you start using it there's no need for anything else to get all this stuff set up. Cheers, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
I got jackd started and running as my user. I didn't make any changes except to set ARDORRC to /etc/ardour/ardour.rc. However, Ardour still refuses to start saying it can't find jack. I'll have to work on it later. On Saturday 01 November 2003 10:35, you wrote: Okay, it works then! I'll visit Jan and the other sites and follow your advice about ardourrc and see if I can get mine running. What is qjackctl? I'll definitely let you know - it may take awhile as I have a long list of things that must get done today! Glad you're making headway. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 09:45, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: I got jackd started and running as my user. I didn't make any changes except to set ARDORRC to /etc/ardour/ardour.rc. However, Ardour still refuses to start saying it can't find jack. I'll have to work on it later. Yes, I do understand the frustrations, and I'm sorry your having them. I am also today! Did you start jack in a terminal? Since I'm using qjackctl, maybe it's running a bit different. qjackctl's terminal says: 1:07:40 Statistics reset. 11:07:43 JACK is being forced... 11:07:43 [killall -9 jackd] 11:07:43 JACK has been forced with exit status=256. 11:07:44 JACK is starting... 11:07:44 [jackd -t 500 -d alsa -d hw:0 -r 44100 -p 64 -n 2] 11:07:44 Statistics reset. 11:07:44 JACK is started with PID=4048 (0xfd0). JACK compiled with System V SHM support loading driver .. open starting engine alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 3.284 msecs Everything to this point is pretty normal. Last evening when I built Ardour it ran, or at least didn't crash. Today when I start it the main screen pops up for a second, and then goes away. I'm left with the following in my terminal: bash-2.05b$ ardour Ardour/GTK 0.412.0 running with libardour 0.698.0 Loading UI configuration file /usr/local/etc/ardour/ardour_ui.rc Loading system configuration file /usr/local/etc/ardour/ardour_system.rc Loading user configuration file /home/mark/.ardour/ardour.rc MIDI: MTC on port hw:0 MMC on port hw:0 Shift = Shift_L Shift = Shift_R Control = Control_L Control = Control_R Mod1 = Alt_L Mod1 = Alt_R ardour: [WARNING]: You have 2 keys bound to mod1 Mod2 = Num_Lock Mod4 = Super_L Mod4 = Super_R ardour: [WARNING]: You have 2 keys bound to mod4 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 571 0 285 570 0 0 571 0 285 570 0 Segmentation fault bash-2.05b$ It also looks to me like they've changed what Ardour is expecting for configuration info. I have not exported anything in my .bashrc file, so it seems to be finding /home/mark/.ardour/ardour.rc by default. I don't know what's going on with this, but since I don't intend to run it I think I'd better drop out. Actually, if your interest is really having to do with CD's and such, I always thought Audacity or ReZound would be better choices. Neither require or even use Jack, I think, so they should be more friendly in this sense. BTW - I don't think this is a Jack issue under Gentoo. I run Jack with alsaplayer, freqtweak, tapiir, ZynAddSubFx and abSynth all the time and have no problems. This is pretty clearly an Ardour issue in my mind. Good luck, and feel free to write on or off list about this stuff. Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
Thanks for all the help. I'll just have to do some more checking and then post some on the ardour user's list. I don't think it's a jack issue either. It works for you and when it works for me ardour won't run.Jack started, then gave me a serious of load % and some information every so many seconds until I killed it. My Gentoo ebuild for cvs put every in /usr/share/ardour! I'll play with it some more. Ardour is way overkill for what I want to do but I'd like to see it work. Thanks again for all the help. On Saturday 01 November 2003 14:18, you wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 09:45, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: I got jackd started and running as my user. I didn't make any changes except to set ARDORRC to /etc/ardour/ardour.rc. However, Ardour still refuses to start saying it can't find jack. I'll have to work on it later. Yes, I do understand the frustrations, and I'm sorry your having them. I am also today! Did you start jack in a terminal? Since I'm using qjackctl, maybe it's running a bit different. qjackctl's terminal says: -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 12:40, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Thanks for all the help. I'll just have to do some more checking and then post some on the ardour user's list. I don't think it's a jack issue either. It works for you and when it works for me ardour won't run.Jack started, then gave me a serious of load % and some information every so many seconds until I killed it. My Gentoo ebuild for cvs put every in /usr/share/ardour! I'll play with it some more. Ardour is way overkill for what I want to do but I'd like to see it work. Thanks again for all the help. Hey, I'm really happy to help. I managed to get my Linux testing duties for a new app out of the way pretty quickly today, so I'm back working in Windows with an equivalent of Ardour, but far more features. (The main one being real MIDI support...) Anyway, I wonder if I've run into some of your problems? I was using qjackctl version 0.0.8, so I decided to upgrade to 0.1.1a which is the latest tarball. It built, and starts, but then gives me two strange messages about not being able to connect to Jack. Sounds similar to your problems. My version of Jack installed right now is 0.80. I have a feeling that part of the problem may be that there are updates to Jack that I'm not running, and which may be required. Jack has been updated to have the transport of one program (transport == start, stop, pause, rewind, time display) control many programs, so that you can tell Ardour to record and it will start some other app, like alsaplayer rolling so you have audio. I know this new version of qjackctl supports it, and I think Ardour does, but I'm pretty sure the 0.80 version f Jack doesn't, or not correctly. Anyway, I can no longer run qjackctl, so I want to fix this. If I find and answer I'll post it back. BTW - lots of people do very good quality recording with both Audacity and ReZound, so don't think you're stepping down by using them. I use them for simple recording jobs all the time. Cheers, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
I have jack 0.89.2 which was installed from cvs. I'll play with Audacity and ReZound some more. I just got stuck on Ardour! I'll be interested to see what you find. On Saturday 01 November 2003 16:01, you wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 12:40, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Thanks for all the help. I'll just have to do some more checking and then post some on the ardour user's list. My version of Jack installed right now is 0.80. I have a feeling that part of the problem may be that there are updates to Jack that I'm not running, and which may be required. Jack has been updated to have the transport of one program (transport == start, stop, pause, rewind, time display) control many programs, so that you can tell Ardour to record and it will start some other app, like alsaplayer rolling so you have audio. I know this new version of qjackctl supports it, and I think Ardour does, but I'm pretty sure the 0.80 version f Jack doesn't, or not correctly. Anyway, I can no longer run qjackctl, so I want to fix this. If I find and answer I'll post it back. BTW - lots of people do very good quality recording with both Audacity and ReZound, so don't think you're stepping down by using them. I use them for simple recording jobs all the time. Cheers, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 15:12, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: I have jack 0.89.2 which was installed from cvs. I'll play with Audacity and ReZound some more. I just got stuck on Ardour! I'll be interested to see what you find. BTW - Did you ever try changing the fstab entry that Jack is using? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
No. It agreed with the docs from Jan's site so I left it. On Saturday 01 November 2003 18:32, you wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 15:12, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: I have jack 0.89.2 which was installed from cvs. I'll play with Audacity and ReZound some more. I just got stuck on Ardour! I'll be interested to see what you find. BTW - Did you ever try changing the fstab entry that Jack is using? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 15:58, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: No. It agreed with the docs from Jan's site so I left it. BTW - Did you ever try changing the fstab entry that Jack is using? Cool. I'll go back and look at that again carefully. The values I gave you before were the ones on my PlanetCCRMA Redhat box. Those values are probably specific to the way Fernando built those RPMs. There is something strange going on with my system and Jack. qjackctl (nd Jack in a terminal) ran, and then it wouldn't run. I finally did a complete power down, rebooted, and it ran, once, and then it wouldn't run again. It seems to be complaining about shm stuff which is why I asked what you did. I've just rebooted and Jack is running with qjackctl. I can stop and restart it fine right now. Very strange. I haven't had problems like this in a long time. Thanks, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
Jan answered my email on ardour-users mail list and had me run it in root. Ardour runs fine as root. I figure he was just trying to find out if it even runs. I'd like to run it as user although I understand the realtime jack doesn't run except as root. At this point I don't think I need that. These problems keep us from getting too complacent G. On Saturday 01 November 2003 19:34, you wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 15:58, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: No. It agreed with the docs from Jan's site so I left it. BTW - Did you ever try changing the fstab entry that Jack is using? Cool. I'll go back and look at that again carefully. The values I gave you before were the ones on my PlanetCCRMA Redhat box. Those values are probably specific to the way Fernando built those RPMs. There is something strange going on with my system and Jack. qjackctl (nd Jack in a terminal) ran, and then it wouldn't run. I finally did a complete power down, rebooted, and it ran, once, and then it wouldn't run again. It seems to be complaining about shm stuff which is why I asked what you did. I've just rebooted and Jack is running with qjackctl. I can stop and restart it fine right now. Very strange. I haven't had problems like this in a long time. Thanks, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 17:26, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Jan answered my email on ardour-users mail list and had me run it in root. Ardour runs fine as root. I figure he was just trying to find out if it even runs. I'd like to run it as user although I understand the realtime jack doesn't run except as root. At this point I don't think I need that. These problems keep us from getting too complacent G. Yep, you're right. Run Jack and Ardour as root and it's fine. I did a quick 8 channel recording. No problems. Thanks for the info. Now, are you going to use it? ;-) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
Well, I think so - after all this trouble I need to do something with it.G. However, I still would like to know why I have to do it as root but until that gets answered I'll just su - and run jack, then go to another xterm and run ardour. It would be nice if jack would go to the background The root requirement bothers me. Before I do anything with it I'm going back to read the Ardour help and ProTools reference manual I downloaded so I can figure out how to record! I tried to record but couldn't get the connections correct so I got nothing. Of the others I'll probably also try Audacity as it seemed to work for me better and I could make sense of it. Rezound just doesn't click with me and sweep seems to be more an editor than letting you record. I have to record into a selction but I don't have one when I'm starting new! On Saturday 01 November 2003 21:21, you wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 17:26, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Jan answered my email on ardour-users mail list and had me run it in root. Ardour runs fine as root. I figure he was just trying to find out if it even runs. I'd like to run it as user although I understand the realtime jack doesn't run except as root. At this point I don't think I need that. These problems keep us from getting too complacent G. Yep, you're right. Run Jack and Ardour as root and it's fine. I did a quick 8 channel recording. No problems. Thanks for the info. Now, are you going to use it? ;-) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 18:36, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Well, I think so - after all this trouble I need to do something with it.G. However, I still would like to know why I have to do it as root but until that gets answered I'll just su - and run jack, then go to another xterm and run ardour. It would be nice if jack would go to the background The root requirement bothers me. Yes, it bothered me too. Paul Davis has some comments about that in the README, and possibly on his web site. The PlanetCCRMA kernel uses a patch called the capabilities patch which grants certain root capabilities to a user. The Planet flow is set up to use a program called jackstart (which we don't have on Gentoo, but I have requested in the past) which then allows you to run as a user but still get realtime capabilities. I'm pretty sure that on my Planet box I can run Ardour as a user this way, but I don't really remember. Paul's pretty lax about this sort of thing. Of course, he'll tell you the program is beta so you shouldn't be surprised if it blows your machine away! (Fortunately that has not happened to the best of my knowledge!) Before I do anything with it I'm going back to read the Ardour help and ProTools reference manual I downloaded so I can figure out how to record! I tried to record but couldn't get the connections correct so I got nothing. Of the others I'll probably also try Audacity as it seemed to work for me better and I could make sense of it. Rezound just doesn't click with me and sweep seems to be more an editor than letting you record. I have to record into a selction but I don't have one when I'm starting new! Yep, they're all different, and thanks to the architecture of Alsa, pretty much every sound card works a little differently. None the less, at least for live audio Audacity is very easy to use. For recording a CD I don't know how to use it, or if it can be used. Cheers, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
Yes. I found that and built it with that. Thanks. On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:18:18 +0100 Meka[ni] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:24:39 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. Any ideas on why ardour might lockup so badly. I haven't been able to get any data since I have to use the hardware reset. Thanks. Did you put jack in USE flag when you were emerging ardour? Meka[ni] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
Thank you for the answers. 1. That clears that up. I have another problem then. I didn't know about real time as root. 2. I'll check the tmpfs. My Gentoo is setup with whatever is standard and I don't remember what's in tmpfs right now. I used the .9x build in portage. I was going to use CVS but it shows up as a .6x version. The ebuild may fetch the most recent version but I haven't found out yet. Thanks again. On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:56:18 -0800 Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brett, I'm not running Ardour these days, but I have used it a lot. Most of this is from memory. Mark 1. Shouldn't I be able to run jack as a user or can I start it as root and let it run. Will it service any users who need it then? Jack can run as either root or brett. All Jack applications must run as the same user, either root or brett. Jack will not service all users. A couple of things about Jack. It now uses tmpfs, so you need that loaded in fstab I think. On my Gentoo box it seems to be there, but mounted at /dev/shm. I don't know what Jack thinks of that, but it works for me. On my PlanetCCRMA system it's mounted at /var/lib/jack/tmp, which I'm sure is what the developers intended. Maybe you can make more sense out of this than me! A second thing about Jack is that it will only run with real-time scheduling (not really required, but advantageous) if you run as root, not as brett. This should not be required for testing. You'll just get more xruns if you don't use it. 2. Why is ardour not seeing jack when it's running - my understanding is that Jack runs as root and then ardour will make a connection to it. If Ardour runs as root, then yet. 3. Any ideas on why ardour might lockup so badly. I haven't been able to get any data since I have to use the hardware reset. Depends on which version you are running. There was a release early this week that locked up, but then that was supposedly fixed. Are you using an ebuild or building from CVS? - Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
Brett, I lost track of what your final answer in this email was answering. .9x for Ardour or .9x for Jack or qjackctl? Also, I do presume that you are running at least 0.9.6 for Alsa, 0.8 for jack, and something close to whatever the Ardour page says the newest release is On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 05:00, brett holcomb wrote: Thank you for the answers. 1. That clears that up. I have another problem then. I didn't know about real time as root. There is a capabilities patch in the PlanetCCRMA kernel that allows users to get real time operation by running jackstart instead of jackd. There is now an ebuild for the Planet kernel (emerge planet-ccrma-sources) which includes this, but the ebuild doesn't work for me. Tried it on two machines. Filed a bug report a few days ago, but not too much action yet. To run jack there are a number of options: jackd -d alsa -d hw jackd -r -d alsa -d hw (real-time, as root) jackstart -r -d alsa -d hw (real-time as user) jackd -d alsa -r 44100 -d hw (44.1K for CD audio) jackd -v -d alsa -d hw (verbose messages) Thee are more options like buffer numbers and buffer size if you need them. 2. I'll check the tmpfs. My Gentoo is setup with whatever is standard and I don't remember what's in tmpfs right now. I think this just effects how many xruns you'll get and not whether it works. My tmpfs settings are just Gentoo standard also, but I'm using a sound card that costs as much as the PC it's in, so it's better behaved than a Sound Blaster. Good luck! I'm surprised you went with Ardour, vs. ReZound or Audacity. I used the .9x build in portage. I was going to use CVS but it shows up as a .6x version. The ebuild may fetch the most recent version but I haven't found out yet. Thanks again. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
Answers inline. On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 05:23:26 -0800 Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brett, I lost track of what your final answer in this email was answering. .9x for Ardour or .9x for Jack or qjackctl? Also, I do presume that you are running at least 0.9.6 for Alsa, 0.8 for jack, and something close to whatever the Ardour page says the newest release is Sorry - too many versions G: .9x for Ardour, jack is .80, alsa .97 (actually whatever the latest unmasked ebuild which is .97 I believe. On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 05:00, brett holcomb wrote: Thank you for the answers. 1. That clears that up. I have another problem then. I didn't know about real time as root. There is a capabilities patch in the PlanetCCRMA kernel that allows At this point I'm using the xfs-sources. To run jack there are a number of options: jackd -d alsa -d hw jackd -r -d alsa -d hw (real-time, as root) jackstart -r -d alsa -d hw (real-time as user) jackd -d alsa -r 44100 -d hw (44.1K for CD audio) jackd -v -d alsa -d hw (verbose messages) I used jackd -v -d alsa -d hw:0. Jackstart doesn't exist on the Gentoo install. I thought I'd get it working, then try other features. Thee are more options like buffer numbers and buffer size if you need them. Later - my head hurts now G! 2. I'll check the tmpfs. My Gentoo is setup with whatever is standard and I don't remember what's in tmpfs right now. I think this just effects how many xruns you'll get and not whether it works. My tmpfs settings are just Gentoo standard also, but I'm using a sound card that costs as much as the PC it's in, so it's better behaved than a Sound Blaster. I'll cross the xruns bridge later but I'll check the fstab. Right now I have CMedia built in due to the fact I was out of slots. However, when I free one up I'll put in my Turtle Beach Santa Cruz. I'd like to have one that cost more than the PC (it's a dual AMD 1.9 with SCSI RAID 5 - 6 drives, 5 in RAID,1 hot spare) G! I was looking at getting a Delta 44 or 66 but I have to forgo that for now. Good luck! I'm surprised you went with Ardour, vs. ReZound or Audacity. Actually I'm still testing. I merged Audacity and Ardour, did some work in Audacity (recorded an Ogg file from a CD track) and am now playing with Ardour. I looked at the ReZound site and one other you mentioned in your email (can't remember the name) also and will probably try them, too. Ardour looks real cool - like a real system. Thanks again. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
Also, I do presume that you are running at least 0.9.6 for Alsa, 0.8 for jack, and something close to whatever the Ardour page says the newest release is Sorry - too many versions G: .9x for Ardour, jack is .80, alsa .97 (actually whatever the latest unmasked ebuild which is .97 I believe. Just make sure it's 0.9beta8 as some of the more recent revisions have been crashing At this point I'm using the xfs-sources. And I just use gentoo-source. It's worked fine for me, but I don't need the real-time stuff on this box. I used jackd -v -d alsa -d hw:0. Jackstart doesn't exist on the Gentoo install. I thought I'd get it working, then try other features. Perfect, but you will want the -r 44100 option when you start working with CDs (if that's what you're still planning on doing) as the default frequency for Jack is 48K. Good luck! I'm surprised you went with Ardour, vs. ReZound or Audacity. Actually I'm still testing. I merged Audacity and Ardour, did some work in Audacity (recorded an Ogg file from a CD track) and am now playing with Ardour. I looked at the ReZound site and one other you mentioned in your email (can't remember the name) also and will probably try them, too. Ardour looks real cool - like a real system. Ardour is pretty deep in what it's trying to accomplish. It's one of the best audio programs around in the Linux space, but it needs to mature a bit. Folks like you can help! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:30:52 -0800 Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry - too many versions G: .9x for Ardour, jack is .80, alsa .97 (actually whatever the latest unmasked ebuild which is .97 I believe. Just make sure it's 0.9beta8 as some of the more recent revisions have been crashing I'll try the CVS and see what it wants to pull down. If not I'll do something G. From the looks of the ebuild if I just change the ebuild rev number and version it might work. Also it looks like it just pulls in whatever is on CVS despite the fact that it's listed as a .6x build. I used jackd -v -d alsa -d hw:0. Jackstart doesn't exist on the Gentoo install. I thought I'd get it working, then try other features. Perfect, but you will want the -r 44100 option when you start working with CDs (if that's what you're still planning on doing) as the default frequency for Jack is 48K. CD was a start. It was handy to test. I noticed Jack goes for 48K. Actually I'm still testing. I merged Audacity and Ardour, did some work in Audacity (recorded an Ogg file from a CD track) and am now playing with Ardour. I looked at the ReZound site and one other you mentioned in your email (can't remember the name) also and will probably try them, too. Ardour looks real cool - like a real system. Ardour is pretty deep in what it's trying to accomplish. It's one of the best audio programs around in the Linux space, but it needs to mature a bit. Folks like you can help! Just a glutton for punishment G - That felt good. Hit me again G. I thought I'd check them all out which is one way of learning more about the art of mixing and DAWs. For now I just want to bring in stuff from vinyl, tapes, and CDs and put them on CD or disk files so I can preserve them or make my own CD. I have a lot of vinyl and tapes I want to preserve. At some point I may do more. I'll try this later tonight. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
I did some more work on it. I used ardour-cvs and it appears to have installed beta8 along with jack 0.89.2. I'm logged in as my user and I run xfce4 as my desktop. In one xterm window I start jack with jackd -d alsa -d hw:0. In another xterm I run the command ardour and get this message. Ardour/GTK 0.412.0 running with libardour 0.698.0 Loading UI configuration file /etc/ardour/ardour_ui.rc cannot connect to jack server cannot connect to default JACK server ardour: [ERROR]: No JACK server found.client name: ardour Killed I found (with -v) that jack couldn't get permission to access the device even though my user is part of the audio group. I then logged out, ran as root. This time jack starts and ardour will start so I assume it's a permissions problem although my user can access the sound devices without problems. However, I can't add tracks or busses. The first attempt to add a track gives me can't do this without a new session and subsequent attempts (after starting a new session) give me a blank log window - it's all a green color background with no text! I quit ardour and the system locked up - had to use the reset button to get it going again. At this point I suspect that Ardour has serious problems under Gentoo. If it was this badly broken on all systems no one would use it! I'll probably bug this to bugzilla tomorrow after I've had time to think on it and then try some other app like Audacity or some of the others you mentioned. The docs on Jack also mention using a /etc/asound.rc or ~/.asound.rc file to set up devices, etc. Have you found that necessary? Thanks. On Friday 31 October 2003 09:30, you wrote: Also, I do presume that you are running at least 0.9.6 for Alsa, 0.8 for jack, and something close to whatever the Ardour page says the newest release is Sorry - too many versions G: .9x for Ardour, jack is .80, alsa .97 (actually whatever the latest unmasked ebuild which is .97 I believe. Just make sure it's 0.9beta8 as some of the more recent revisions have been crashing At this point I'm using the xfs-sources. And I just use gentoo-source. It's worked fine for me, but I don't need the real-time stuff on this box. I used jackd -v -d alsa -d hw:0. Jackstart doesn't exist on the Gentoo install. I thought I'd get it working, then try other features. Perfect, but you will want the -r 44100 option when you start working with CDs (if that's what you're still planning on doing) as the default frequency for Jack is 48K. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 20:58, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: SNIP The docs on Jack also mention using a /etc/asound.rc or ~/.asound.rc file to set up devices, etc. Have you found that necessary? Brett, I just snipped the rest out because if the .ardourrc file isn't set up right then nothing is going to work for you. It's been so long since I've set up Ardour from scratch that I'm going to be doing some guessing here. I think you'll get far better answers subscribing to the ardour-user list. (FYI - I know that one of the developers - Jesse Chappel, and at least one other guy who runs a pro studio, are using Ardour under Gentoo, so don't give up. It will run.) First, copy the ardour.rc file that's in the download directory to your home directory with a name change cp path/ardour/ardour.rc ~/.ardourrc Second, check Jan Depner's Alsa/Jack/Ardour configuration site for config ideas. The address is: http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/Ardour.html#Configuring I think (hope, pray) you'll find what you need there. Jan's a great guy and very organized. He's built this up over the last year. I think it's probably quite good at this point. I'll keep my eyes open for more info on this. Maybe I'll just build it myself from CVS. I haven't done that in a long time. Good luck, MArk -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 20:58, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: I did some more work on it. SNIP Brett, I built it and it's up and running. ./autogen.sh ./configure make make install (as root) as user cp path/ardour/ardourrc .ardourrc (necessary?) Started Jack using qjackctl Started Ardour Looked in qjackctl - no evidence of ardour Created a new session Looked in qjackctl - ardour is there My only problem right now is that after I hook some stuff up, I want to record but hitting start isn't working. Anyway, maybe this info will help you. Write back and let me know how it comes out. Cheers, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
Is anybody using jack-audio-connection successfully with ardour? I've just started trying to use jack and ardour and am not having much success and have some connections. If I run jack as my user (who is a memeber of the audio group) I get a message to the effect I don't have permission and it quits. If I run jack (jackd blah blah) as root and then start ardour under my user ardour complains that it cannot make a connection. Some background - I had jack and ardour running briefly last night. I had the mixer up and was able to make an input connection to record a CD track and could see the mixer level lights move although I never saw anything on the editor page. However, during this session ardour locked up and I had to use the reset switch to restart it. Today I couldn't get ardour to run and when it did it locked up. I unmerged both jack and ardour and emerged them again - same thing. 1. Shouldn't I be able to run jack as a user or can I start it as root and let it run. Will it service any users who need it then? 2. Why is ardour not seeing jack when it's running - my understanding is that Jack runs as root and then ardour will make a connection to it. 3. Any ideas on why ardour might lockup so badly. I haven't been able to get any data since I have to use the hardware reset. Thanks. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:24:39 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. Any ideas on why ardour might lockup so badly. I haven't been able to get any data since I have to use the hardware reset. Thanks. Did you put jack in USE flag when you were emerging ardour? Meka[ni] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 19:18, Meka[ni] wrote: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:24:39 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. Any ideas on why ardour might lockup so badly. I haven't been able to get any data since I have to use the hardware reset. Thanks. Did you put jack in USE flag when you were emerging ardour? Ardour will not run without Jack. For this app I do not think this is an option. - Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Jack-audio-connection
On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 19:24, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Is anybody using jack-audio-connection successfully with ardour? BTW - which version of Jack are you using? Use qjackctl, but don't use the emerge. Build it from the web site and get version 0.8 or higher. http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/ by hand, try starting jack using jackd -d alsa -d hw and get the version number. - Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
