Re: [gentoo-user] Need some advice on to switch from mandrake to gentoo.
Grendel wrote: Currently, emerge does not support simultaneous downloading and compiling (at least I know nothing about such an option), in the future it could download the next package while the current package is still compiling. For now, you can more or less emulate this by starting an emerge -f (options) (packages) first, waiting for one or more downloads to complete, and then starting another emerge (options) (packages) with the same arguments except "-f" (without terminating the first emerge). Though this may cause trouble should the second emerge ever catch up with the first... I'm not sure whether running 2 wget processes on the same file is a good idea. If the file to be downloaded exist, wget simply downloads the file as filename.1 But it seems emerge is using the -c option to continue downloads that have been interrupted. I have no idea what happens when two simultaneous wget -c's are run with the same output file... Thx, will be doing it tonight when no one is using the desktop :) I really appreciate all the help this list is giving me. This list is really good for sure! I'm learning a lot from the posts here. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need some advice on to switch from mandrake to gentoo.
On Saturday 07 February 2004 03:56, Grendel wrote: Hi, I have a lot slower box (AMD XP 2000), so you should be able to top this times: Sat Jan 31 13:17:14 2004 --> x11-base/xfree-4.3.0-r3 merge time: 57 minutes and 58 seconds. Sat Jan 31 17:47:44 2004 --> x11-libs/qt-3.2.3-r1 merge time: 52 minutes and 30 seconds. Tue Feb 3 17:50:02 2004 --> kde-base/arts-1.2.0 merge time: 11 minutes and 8 seconds. Sat Jan 31 20:57:56 2004 --> kde-base/kdebase-3.2.0_rc1 merge time: 1 hour, 39 minutes, and 7 seconds. Tue Feb 3 23:26:13 2004 --> kde-base/kdebase-3.2.0 merge time: 2 hours, 16 minutes, and 4 second (this time KDE running, while emerging) Sat Jan 31 19:18:49 2004 --> kde-base/kdelibs-3.2.0_rc1 merge time: 1 hour, 21 minutes, and 52 seconds. Tue Feb 3 21:10:09 2004 --> kde-base/kdelibs-3.2.0 merge time: 1 hour, 58 minutes, and 3 seconds. (dito) Sat Jan 31 21:44:31 2004 --> kde-base/kdenetwork-3.2.0_rc1 merge time: 45 minutes and 20 seconds. Wed Feb 4 00:57:11 2004 --> kde-base/kdenetwork-3.2.0 merge time: 57 minutes and 34 seconds. Sat Jan 31 22:51:55 2004 --> kde-base/kdepim-3.2.0_rc1 merge time: 1 hour, 6 minutes, and 9 seconds. Wed Feb 4 02:07:49 2004 --> kde-base/kdepim-3.2.0 merge time: 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 38 seconds. Thu Feb 5 02:20:58 2004 --> kde-base/kdepim-3.2.0-r1 merge time: 1 hour, 51 minutes, and 41 seconds. Fri Feb 6 18:04:53 2004 --> kde-base/kdepim-3.2.0-r2 merge time: 33 minutes and 3 seconds. Sun Feb 1 01:03:16 2004 --> kde-base/kdegraphics-3.2.0_rc1 merge time: 53 minutes and 21 seconds. Wed Feb 4 16:23:35 2004 --> kde-base/kdegraphics-3.2.0 merge time: 59 minutes and 20 seconds. Sat Jan 31 23:48:47 2004 --> kde-base/kdemultimedia-3.2.0_rc1 merge time: 55 minutes and 54 seconds. Wed Feb 4 14:48:40 2004 --> kde-base/kdemultimedia-3.2.0 merge time: 1 hour and 4 minutes. IMHO is this the basis for a usefull kde. You may want the precompiled grp-packages. You should ask the documentation about that. I only tried it one time and it was pretty broken. Saving /home is no problem. Just don't touch the partition until everything is finished. Glück Auf Volker -- Conclusions In a straight-up fight, the Empire squashes the Federation like a bug. Even with its numerical advantage removed, the Empire would still squash the Federation like a bug. Accept it. -Michael Wong -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need some advice on to switch from mandrake to gentoo.
On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Arne Vogel wrote: > If you remove Mandrake before the install, it definitely should. When > you run low on disk > space with a Gentoo installation, check your /usr/portage/distfiles. > That's where the downloads > go, and Gentoo doesn't delete anything in it automatically. Ok. > Here's a simple script that you might also find useful (I've installed > this as /usr/bin/diskusage): > du --max-depth=1 "$@" | sort -n -r | less Thanks, this is most usefull. > I'm not sure... for broadband, download times should be much lower than > compile times > (my 768-kbps DSL line manages about 360 Megabytes per hour, others are > still faster). Yes. > Currently, emerge does not support simultaneous downloading and > compiling (at least I > know nothing about such an option), in the future it could download the > next package > while the current package is still compiling. For now, you can more or > less emulate this > by starting an emerge -f (options) (packages) first, waiting for one or > more downloads to > complete, and then starting another emerge (options) (packages) with the > same arguments > except "-f" (without terminating the first emerge). Though this may > cause trouble should the second > emerge ever catch up with the first... I'm not sure whether running 2 > wget processes on > the same file is a good idea. If the file to be downloaded exist, wget simply downloads the file as filename.1 > >hmm.this was fastxfree86 needs a large volume of space and takes a lot > >of time to compile too usually. > Maybe this is because the gcc was Athlon-XP-optimized with -O3? :-) I can see that the compiler should be one of the first things to be compiled in as even a 5% speed increase in compiler speed can speed up the compile time of the larger packages a lot. > >step by step as time permits, I suppose this is the best option. > > > > > Make it so! Thx, will be doing it tonight when no one is using the desktop :) I really appreciate all the help this list is giving me. Bye, grendel -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need some advice on to switch from mandrake to gentoo.
Grendel wrote: On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Arne Vogel wrote: Sure you can! However, you may want to consider installing from your existing Mandrake installation. You should actually be able to install Gentoo on the same partition (into a subdirectory, using chroot - see the handbook), and later replace the Mandrak installation (except for /home) with it, though the transition may be a little tricky (mv, rm, cp etc. may break). I would recommend booting from the LiveCD before performing this last step. How much disk space do you have left on /? /dev/hda6 5.9G 3.7G 2.2G 63% / Should be enough. If you remove Mandrake before the install, it definitely should. When you run low on disk space with a Gentoo installation, check your /usr/portage/distfiles. That's where the downloads go, and Gentoo doesn't delete anything in it automatically. Here's a simple script that you might also find useful (I've installed this as /usr/bin/diskusage): du --max-depth=1 "$@" | sort -n -r | less When called without arguments, it displays the subdirectories of ".", sorted by size, descending. When called with argument "*", it displays files as well. And etcat -s tells you the installed size of a given package. Alternatively, install everything from binary, this will save lots and lots of time, you will be able to compile packages later. Yes, this is what I plan as i want to get the desktop up and running as fast as possible. Once I have a working desktop I will set about updating to the modern packages. kdegames: merge time: 44 minutes and 52 seconds etc. Does this time include downloading as well? I'm not sure... for broadband, download times should be much lower than compile times (my 768-kbps DSL line manages about 360 Megabytes per hour, others are still faster). The only notable exception are binaries, e.g. openoffice-bin or americas-army. Currently, emerge does not support simultaneous downloading and compiling (at least I know nothing about such an option), in the future it could download the next package while the current package is still compiling. For now, you can more or less emulate this by starting an emerge -f (options) (packages) first, waiting for one or more downloads to complete, and then starting another emerge (options) (packages) with the same arguments except "-f" (without terminating the first emerge). Though this may cause trouble should the second emerge ever catch up with the first... I'm not sure whether running 2 wget processes on the same file is a good idea. xfree: merge time: 1 hour, 9 minutes and 14 seconds. hmm.this was fastxfree86 needs a large volume of space and takes a lot of time to compile too usually. Maybe this is because the gcc was Athlon-XP-optimized with -O3? :-) Various other packages that will be needed for your installation add up to let's say 3 hours, that would be 12 1/2 hours in total. Deduct 20% for your faster processor, and it's still about 10 hours. Well I plan to use the live cd's and get a precompiled xfree86+kde setup ready then from the network upgrade the gcc, libc, kernel, xfree and KDE step by step as time permits, I suppose this is the best option. Make it so! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need some advice on to switch from mandrake to gentoo.
On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Arne Vogel wrote: > Sure you can! However, you may want to consider installing from your > existing Mandrake > installation. You should actually be able to install Gentoo on the same > partition (into a subdirectory, > using chroot - see the handbook), and later replace the Mandrak > installation (except for /home) with it, > though the transition may be a little tricky (mv, rm, cp etc. may > break). I would recommend booting > from the LiveCD before performing this last step. How much disk space do > you have left on /? /dev/hda6 5.9G 3.7G 2.2G 63% / Should be enough. > Alternatively, install everything from binary, this will save lots and > lots of time, you will be able to > compile packages later. Yes, this is what I plan as i want to get the desktop up and running as fast as possible. Once I have a working desktop I will set about updating to the modern packages. > kdegames: merge time: 44 minutes and 52 seconds > etc. Does this time include downloading as well? > xfree: merge time: 1 hour, 9 minutes and 14 seconds. hmm.this was fastxfree86 needs a large volume of space and takes a lot of time to compile too usually. > Various other packages that will be needed for your installation add up > to let's say 3 hours, > that would be 12 1/2 hours in total. Deduct 20% for your faster > processor, and it's still about > 10 hours. Well I plan to use the live cd's and get a precompiled xfree86+kde setup ready then from the network upgrade the gcc, libc, kernel, xfree and KDE step by step as time permits, I suppose this is the best option. Bye, Grendel -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need some advice on to switch from mandrake to gentoo.
Grendel wrote: Hi all, I need some advice about switchin from mandrake 9.1 to gentoo. My setup is this, Athlon 3000xp with Asus a7n8x motherboard My 80gb disk is partioned in to / and /home, I would like to keep /home. I have downloaded the athlon-xp optiomised 2live cd's. My nvnet nforce2 ethernet is automatically detected by the live cd1, so I have everything working. Now since this is for my workstation, I would like to get it up and running fast, so I have some questions. 1. Can I install using the 2 live'cds and then upgrade later to the recent sources? Sure you can! However, you may want to consider installing from your existing Mandrake installation. You should actually be able to install Gentoo on the same partition (into a subdirectory, using chroot - see the handbook), and later replace the Mandrak installation (except for /home) with it, though the transition may be a little tricky (mv, rm, cp etc. may break). I would recommend booting from the LiveCD before performing this last step. How much disk space do you have left on /? Alternatively, install everything from binary, this will save lots and lots of time, you will be able to compile packages later. 2. How long will it take to get a running KDE setup with the two live cd's. The 6 hours I saw mentioned here seem like an underestimate for an installation from sources. On my Athlon XP 2400 , I have (displayed with genlop -t): kdelibs: merge time: 1 hour, 39 minutes and 10 seconds. kdebase: merge time: 1 hour, 50 minutes and 52 seconds. kdegraphics: merge time: 40 minutes and 19 seconds kdemultimedia: merge time: 1 hour, 4 minutes and 7 seconds. kdenetwork: merge time: 43 minutes and 24 seconds. kdegames: merge time: 44 minutes and 52 seconds etc. xfree: merge time: 1 hour, 9 minutes and 14 seconds. gcc: merge time: 26 minutes and 4 seconds. glibc: merge time: 55 minutes and 45 seconds Various other packages that will be needed for your installation add up to let's say 3 hours, that would be 12 1/2 hours in total. Deduct 20% for your faster processor, and it's still about 10 hours. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need some advice on to switch from mandrake to gentoo.
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Gentoo has excellent dox & is much more user-friendly than its reput'n > & there's a v friendly community of developers/users. > you do have to pay attention to what you're doing, of course. I dont think I wil have a problem with low level linux interfacing, the only problem I have is with gentoo's init scripts, ie they are somewhat different to the other distributions initfiles right? What is the impact of this aspect of gentoo's behaviour? > > My 80gb disk is partioned in to / and /home, I would like to keep /home. > > copy /home to CD & re-install it: surely, that's simplest. Unforutantely /home is 30GB :( But I think I can keep it, and install gentoo to the formatted / partiion, and keep the swap file. > > My nvnet nforce2 ethernet is automatically detected by the live cd1, > > so I have everything working. > > you don't need the Internet to install Gentoo, if you use GRP. but I would like to update it later :) > > 3. I have a broadband connection so large downloads are not a problem. > > that's important once you have a running system & want to update things. > > with similar h/ware & I/net connection to yours, > i downloaded/compiled/installed OpenOffice 1.1 in c 5 h 30 m > & this wk ditto KOffice 1.3 in 1 h 16 m . Hmm...Good. Well it certainly will be interesting to see what happens when I start installing it :-) Bye, Grendel -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need some advice on to switch from mandrake to gentoo.
On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Claudinei Matos wrote: > > 1. Can I install using the 2 live'cds and then upgrade later to the recent > > sources? > yeap, actually, if you wanna you can start directly with stage3 that > provide you all content of bootsplash and "emerge system" and also > "emerge sync". this will save you 5 hours. > so verify if you CD provide the latest version of the stage file. I have downloaded the athlon-4 optimised live cd, which was released in 2003-11 IIRC. > One time that you de-compress stage3 to your root partition, you have to > continue with Gentoo handbook in "kernel configuration" > remember that to upgrade you portage tree you have to do as root > #emerge sync > so when the tree are updated you may try > #emerge -u system -> update base system > #emerge -u world -> update the installed packages I see, yes it doesnt look that hard. I will start working on this ASAP. > I guess that you will spend +/- 6 hours to put KDE to work, but I'm not > sure 'cause I use gnome. > I hope I help you. Yes, you did, it is much appreciated, Gracias amigo. Bye, Grendel -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need some advice on to switch from mandrake to gentoo.
040207 Grendel wrote: > I need some advice about switchin from mandrake 9.1 to gentoo. > My setup is this, Athlon 3000xp with Asus a7n8x motherboard i did something v similar 0310 & was surprised how easy it was. Gentoo has excellent dox & is much more user-friendly than its reput'n & there's a v friendly community of developers/users. you do have to pay attention to what you're doing, of course. > My 80gb disk is partioned in to / and /home, I would like to keep /home. copy /home to CD & re-install it: surely, that's simplest. > I have downloaded the athlon-xp optimised 2 live cd's. just what i did. > My nvnet nforce2 ethernet is automatically detected by the live cd1, > so I have everything working. you don't need the Internet to install Gentoo, if you use GRP. > Now since this is for my workstation, > I would like to get it up and running fast, so I have some questions. > 1. Can I install using the 2 live'cds > and then upgrade later to the recent sources? yes, that's what i did. > 2. How long will it take to get a running KDE set up w the live cd's. a few minutes or less: use the compiled version on CD 2 . i'm still using that version, while i wait for KDE 3.2 to become reliable. i use Konqueror as my regular browser, but XFCE as desktop. > 3. I have a broadband connection so large downloads are not a problem. that's important once you have a running system & want to update things. with similar h/ware & I/net connection to yours, i downloaded/compiled/installed OpenOffice 1.1 in c 5 h 30 m & this wk ditto KOffice 1.3 in 1 h 16 m . obviously, you do it on a spare desktop while you get on w other things. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need some advice on to switch from mandrake to gentoo.
On Sat, 2004-02-07 at 00:56, Grendel wrote: > Hi all, > > I need some advice about switchin from mandrake 9.1 to gentoo. > My setup is this, Athlon 3000xp with Asus a7n8x motherboard Good idea, to move in Gentoo. Welcome. > > My 80gb disk is partioned in to / and /home, I would like to keep /home. > I have downloaded the athlon-xp optiomised 2live cd's. > > My nvnet nforce2 ethernet is automatically detected by the live cd1, so I > have everything working. > > Now since this is for my workstation, I would like to get it up and > running fast, so I have some questions. > > 1. Can I install using the 2 live'cds and then upgrade later to the recent > sources? yeap, actually, if you wanna you can start directly with stage3 that provide you all content of bootsplash and "emerge system" and also "emerge sync". this will save you 5 hours. so verify if you CD provide the latest version of the stage file. One time that you de-compress stage3 to your root partition, you have to continue with Gentoo handbook in "kernel configuration" remember that to upgrade you portage tree you have to do as root #emerge sync so when the tree are updated you may try #emerge -u system -> update base system #emerge -u world -> update the installed packages > 2. How long will it take to get a running KDE setup with the two live > cd's. > I guess that you will spend +/- 6 hours to put KDE to work, but I'm not sure 'cause I use gnome. I think that have some compiled packages to download at portage tree but I'm not sure of how to do that, so maybe somebody can explain that. > 3. I have a broadband connection so large downloads are not a problem. > > > > > Thanks, > Grendel. > I hope I help you. Claudinei Matos -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Need some advice on to switch from mandrake to gentoo.
Hi all, I need some advice about switchin from mandrake 9.1 to gentoo. My setup is this, Athlon 3000xp with Asus a7n8x motherboard My 80gb disk is partioned in to / and /home, I would like to keep /home. I have downloaded the athlon-xp optiomised 2live cd's. My nvnet nforce2 ethernet is automatically detected by the live cd1, so I have everything working. Now since this is for my workstation, I would like to get it up and running fast, so I have some questions. 1. Can I install using the 2 live'cds and then upgrade later to the recent sources? 2. How long will it take to get a running KDE setup with the two live cd's. 3. I have a broadband connection so large downloads are not a problem. Thanks, Grendel. -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
