Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --depclean

2005-03-31 Thread Bill Roberts
On 11:52 Wed 30 Mar , Grant wrote:
 I've neglected to update any packages since a nasty case of the new
 package blues a while ago, but in the last few days I've gotten back
 on top of it.  I'm up to date with 'emerge -Du world' and I'd like to
 give 'emerge --depclean' a go, but I've read that it can be tricky. 
 My world file is correct, should I try it?  How do revdep-rebuild and
 fixpackages fit into all of this?

I completely hosed my system once with 'emerge --depclean', and nearly
whacked it a second time. I only brought it back from the brink with
some tricky copying of missing libs.

I've learned to be a little less tidy, my machine loves me for it.

Bill Roberts


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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --depclean

2005-03-31 Thread Grant
  I've neglected to update any packages since a nasty case of the new
  package blues a while ago, but in the last few days I've gotten back
  on top of it.  I'm up to date with 'emerge -Du world' and I'd like to
  give 'emerge --depclean' a go, but I've read that it can be tricky.
  My world file is correct, should I try it?  How do revdep-rebuild and
  fixpackages fit into all of this?
 
 I completely hosed my system once with 'emerge --depclean', and nearly
 whacked it a second time. I only brought it back from the brink with
 some tricky copying of missing libs.
 
 I've learned to be a little less tidy, my machine loves me for it.
 
 Bill Roberts

Why would something like that happen?  It seems like Gentoo has a
logical system for keeping everything sane.

- Grant
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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --depclean

2005-03-31 Thread Bill Roberts
On 06:30 Thu 31 Mar , Grant wrote:
   I've neglected to update any packages since a nasty case of the new
   package blues a while ago, but in the last few days I've gotten back
   on top of it.  I'm up to date with 'emerge -Du world' and I'd like to
   give 'emerge --depclean' a go, but I've read that it can be tricky.
   My world file is correct, should I try it?  How do revdep-rebuild and
   fixpackages fit into all of this?
  
  I completely hosed my system once with 'emerge --depclean', and nearly
  whacked it a second time. I only brought it back from the brink with
  some tricky copying of missing libs.
  
  I've learned to be a little less tidy, my machine loves me for it.
  
  Bill Roberts
 
 Why would something like that happen?  It seems like Gentoo has a
 logical system for keeping everything sane.

Last time I nearly whacked my machine, 'emerge --depclean'said I could
get rid of of attr and acl. I figured I was using neither attr nor
acl, I would 'merge -C' them.  If you do a 'equery depends attr',
you'll find coreutils depends on it, as well at acl. Without
coreutils, you can forget emerging and a many basic functions of the
machine. Long story short, I had a copy of the missing libraries in an
another install directory, managed to copy them to the right directory,
and saved dozens and dozens of hours it would have taken my to
reconstitute my machine.

You do get a warning, and heed it well.

Bill Roberts


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[gentoo-user] emerge --depclean

2005-03-30 Thread Grant
I've neglected to update any packages since a nasty case of the new
package blues a while ago, but in the last few days I've gotten back
on top of it.  I'm up to date with 'emerge -Du world' and I'd like to
give 'emerge --depclean' a go, but I've read that it can be tricky. 
My world file is correct, should I try it?  How do revdep-rebuild and
fixpackages fit into all of this?

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --depclean

2005-03-30 Thread Grant
 Hi there,
 May I suggest that you run emerge --depclean -vp to see what will be 
 removed,
 maybe you'll see that you don't need to run this after all.
 The message that comes up when doing this is very descriptive on what to do if
 a package suddenly breaks because of a missing library.
 
 AFAIK revdep-rebuild will get you all those packages that are needed
 but missing.
 
 I have not yest used fixpackages
 
 Regards,
 
 -AR

I'm having some trouble with revdep-rebuild.  I read the suggestions
below but I can't quite decipher them.  I tried to emerge lib-compat
manually but it didn't help.


All prepared. Starting rebuild...
emerge --oneshot --nodeps  =media-libs/xine-lib-1_rc8-r1
=sys-libs/lib-compat-1.3 =xfce-extra/xfce4-fsguard-0.2.0
..
Calculating dependencies -
emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy =sys-libs/lib-compat-1.3.

Result is not OK, you have following choices:
- if emerge failed during build, fix the problems and re-run revdep-rebuild
or
- use -X or --package-names as first argument (try to rebuild package, not exact
  ebuild - ignores SLOT!)
or
- set ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~your platform and/or /etc/portage/package.unmask
  (and remove /root/.revdep-rebuild.5_order to be evaluated again)
or
- modify the above emerge command and run it manually
or
- compile or unmerge unsatisfied packages manually, remove temporary files and
  try again (you can edit package/ebuild list first)


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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --depclean

2005-03-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:36:15 -0500, A. R. wrote:

 May I suggest that you run emerge --depclean -vp to see what will be
 removed,  maybe you'll see that you don't need to run this after all.

Before you do that, run emerge world -uavD --newuse. Changed USE flags
are the usual cause of depclean wanting to do anything unwelcome.


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WinErr 01E: Timing error - Please wait. And wait. And wait. And wait.


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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge depclean

2003-10-01 Thread Christian Fischer
Am Freitag, 16. April 2004 18:11 schrieb Peter van Eck:

hi peter,
please set the correct date, we haven't 16. April 2004. 
it's not so funny to have your mails on top till 16. April 2004

christian

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[gentoo-user] emerge depclean

2003-09-30 Thread Peter van Eck

Hi,

I have run into the following problem trying to emerge gnome

emerging gnome came to a halt when emerging the package openjade 

My system (Pentium 200 MMX) get exhausted when compiling that package meaning 
I can't login on any of the console tty's and looged in shells seem to be 
stuck.

I aborted the emerge gnome ( CTRL-C)

I tried installing the binary package (gnome)

This failed with error : package gnome masked. Which it isn't on CD .

I took the brave step to run emerge depclean and now the half of my system
has vanished. Most of the basic OS commands are gone like ls, rm.

What should I do ? untar stage 3 is what I think but is that a wise thing to 
do ??

thanks in advance for any helpful reply ...

rgds,

Peter

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge depclean

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Peter van Eck wrote:
Hi,

I have run into the following problem trying to emerge gnome

emerging gnome came to a halt when emerging the package openjade 

My system (Pentium 200 MMX) get exhausted when compiling that package meaning 
I can't login on any of the console tty's and looged in shells seem to be 
stuck.

I aborted the emerge gnome ( CTRL-C)

I tried installing the binary package (gnome)

This failed with error : package gnome masked. Which it isn't on CD .

I took the brave step to run emerge depclean and now the half of my system
has vanished. Most of the basic OS commands are gone like ls, rm.
What should I do ? untar stage 3 is what I think but is that a wise thing to 
do ??

thanks in advance for any helpful reply ...
First of all, never, never, never user 'emerge depclean'. In the future, 
use 'dep-clean -U'. As for fixing your system, try 'emerge -u system'. 
That should probably merge the missing packages.

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge depclean

2003-09-30 Thread Peter van Eck
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 16:54, Andrew Gaffney wrote:
 Peter van Eck wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I have run into the following problem trying to emerge gnome
 
  emerging gnome came to a halt when emerging the package openjade
 
  My system (Pentium 200 MMX) get exhausted when compiling that package
  meaning I can't login on any of the console tty's and looged in shells
  seem to be stuck.
 
  I aborted the emerge gnome ( CTRL-C)
 
  I tried installing the binary package (gnome)
 
  This failed with error : package gnome masked. Which it isn't on CD .
 
  I took the brave step to run emerge depclean and now the half of my
  system has vanished. Most of the basic OS commands are gone like ls,
  rm.
 
  What should I do ? untar stage 3 is what I think but is that a wise thing
  to do ??
 
  thanks in advance for any helpful reply ...

 First of all, never, never, never user 'emerge depclean'. In the future,
 use 'dep-clean -U'. As for fixing your system, try 'emerge -u system'.
 That should probably merge the missing packages.


I take it 'dep-clean -U' is syntax input parameter for emerge command

thanks,

Peter


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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge depclean

2003-09-30 Thread Mike Williams
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On Tuesday 30 September 2003 16:03, gabriel wrote:
 On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 10:54, Andrew Gaffney wrote:
  First of all, never, never, never user 'emerge depclean'. In the future,
  use 'dep-clean -U'.

 maybe a stupid question, but if emerge depclean is a bad thing to use,
 then why is it there?  or at the very least marked with developer use
 only?

sauron root # emerge depclean

*** WARNING *** : DEPCLEAN CAN  SERIOUSLY  IMPAIR YOUR SYSTEM. USE CAUTION.
*** WARNING *** : (Cancel: CONTROL-C) -- ALWAYS VERIFY ALL PACKAGES IN THE
*** WARNING *** : CANDIDATE LIST FOR  SANITY  BEFORE  ALLOWING DEPCLEAN TO
*** WARNING *** : UNMERGE ANY PACKAGES.
*** WARNING *** :
*** WARNING *** : USE FLAGS MAY HAVE AN EXTREME EFFECT ON THE OUTPUT.
*** WARNING *** : SOME LIBRARIES MAY BE USED BY PACKAGES BUT ARE NOT
*** WARNING *** : CONSIDERED TO BE A DEPEND DUE TO USE FLAG SETTINGS.
*** WARNING *** :
*** WARNING *** : Packages  in the list  that are  desired  may be added
*** WARNING *** : directly to the world file to cause them to be ignored
*** WARNING *** : by depclean and maintained in the future. BREAKAGES DUE
*** WARNING *** : TO UNMERGING AN  ==IN-USE LIBRARY==  MAY BE REPAIRED BY
*** WARNING *** : MERGING  *** THE PACKAGE THAT COMPLAINS ***  ABOUT THE
*** WARNING *** : MISSING LIBRARY.

 Waiting 10 seconds before starting...
 (Control-C to abort)...
 Depclean in: 10 9 sauron root #

Warning enough I think :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge depclean

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Peter van Eck wrote:
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 16:54, Andrew Gaffney wrote:

Peter van Eck wrote:

Hi,

I have run into the following problem trying to emerge gnome

emerging gnome came to a halt when emerging the package openjade

My system (Pentium 200 MMX) get exhausted when compiling that package
meaning I can't login on any of the console tty's and looged in shells
seem to be stuck.
I aborted the emerge gnome ( CTRL-C)

I tried installing the binary package (gnome)

This failed with error : package gnome masked. Which it isn't on CD .

I took the brave step to run emerge depclean and now the half of my
system has vanished. Most of the basic OS commands are gone like ls,
rm.
What should I do ? untar stage 3 is what I think but is that a wise thing
to do ??
thanks in advance for any helpful reply ...
First of all, never, never, never user 'emerge depclean'. In the future,
use 'dep-clean -U'. As for fixing your system, try 'emerge -u system'.
That should probably merge the missing packages.


I take it 'dep-clean -U' is syntax input parameter for emerge command
No, dep-clean is a separate program that is included with gentoolkit. If 
you don't already have it installed, try 'emerge gentoolkit'.

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge depclean

2003-09-30 Thread Stroller
On 30 Sep 2003, at 4:08 pm, Mike Williams wrote:

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On Tuesday 30 September 2003 16:03, gabriel wrote:
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 10:54, Andrew Gaffney wrote:
First of all, never, never, never user 'emerge depclean'. In the 
future,
use 'dep-clean -U'.
maybe a stupid question, but if emerge depclean is a bad thing to 
use,
then why is it there?  or at the very least marked with developer use
only?
sauron root # emerge depclean

*** WARNING *** : DEPCLEAN CAN  SERIOUSLY  IMPAIR YOUR SYSTEM. USE 
CAUTION.
*** WARNING *** : (Cancel: CONTROL-C) -- ALWAYS VERIFY ALL PACKAGES IN 
THE
*** WARNING *** : CANDIDATE LIST FOR  SANITY  BEFORE  ALLOWING 
DEPCLEAN TO
*** WARNING *** : UNMERGE ANY PACKAGES.
*** WARNING *** :
*** WARNING *** : USE FLAGS MAY HAVE AN EXTREME EFFECT ON THE OUTPUT.
*** WARNING *** : SOME LIBRARIES MAY BE USED BY PACKAGES BUT ARE NOT
*** WARNING *** : CONSIDERED TO BE A DEPEND DUE TO USE FLAG SETTINGS.
*** WARNING *** :
*** WARNING *** : ... BREAKAGES DUE
*** WARNING *** : TO UNMERGING AN  ==IN-USE LIBRARY==  MAY BE REPAIRED 
BY
*** WARNING *** : MERGING  *** THE PACKAGE THAT COMPLAINS ***  ABOUT 
THE
*** WARNING *** : MISSING LIBRARY.
I've never had a problem, I don't think, with `emerge -depclean`. But 
then I'd always -p  read the output first.

The second paragraph quoted above explains why some packages might have 
a problem, and the last paragraph explains how to fix it if some do. I 
don't see why this justifies the emphatic never, never, never use 
depclean instruction. if course, I'm not familiar with `dep-clean`, 
which might be MUCH better for all I know.

Stroller.

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