Re: [gentoo-user] moving along . . .

[Phil Sexton]

On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 13:23, Nick Rout wrote:

> If they are so up to date why are they still shipping the xfree package,
> when xorg-x11 seems to now be preferred and supported.

I am assuming that the package page is out of date (but I may be wrong).

E-mail them and ask edmonds enterprises about it, they would know more
than I do, now that I have DSL.

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Re: [gentoo-user] moving along . . .

[Nick Rout]

On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 00:12 -0500, Phil Sexton wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 23:47, maxim wexler wrote:
> > >
> > http://www.edmunds-enterprises.com/linux/cart.php/ba/pdtl/product/218
> > > 
> > 
> > How different are these from the packageCDs on the
> > gentoo site? In a pinch I can get one of these from a
> > pal in town who has broadband. That's how I got the
> > install iso.
> 
> According to my intepretation of the site, the packages are synced and
> burnt/pressed within 24 hours of the order.
> 

[snip]

> To address these barriers we've created Gentoo Portage Essentials CD's,
> an exclusive offering from Edmunds Enterprises. We automatically build
> these daily custom Gentoo package CD's which contain the latest stable
> version of the the most popular and essential programs that will meet
> the needs of most Linux users. By scanning the portage tree for the
> previous day you are assured that only stable packages are selected and
> that they are the most recent versions available. You can watch the
> gentoo mirrors to see what the date of the latest portage archive is
> under the snapshots directory to see how current these CD's will be. 

[snip]


> The package selection list is loosly based on the types of packages you
> would find in a popular distribution such as Mandrake and will meed the
> needs of most Linux desktop and server configurations. 

[snip]

> > Besides, I know I need a whack of X11R6*src files(for
> > starters) and didn't see them listed in the edmunds
> > gentoo-package-list. Maybe they're hidden in one of
> > those alternate lines of black on dark blue text!
> 
> Try using control-a in your browser to select all the text in the page.
> Here is an unedited copy/paste:
> 

[snip]

> x11-base/xfreeXfree86: famous and free X server 

If they are so up to date why are they still shipping the xfree package,
when xorg-x11 seems to now be preferred and supported.

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Re: [gentoo-user] moving along . . .

[Phil Sexton]

On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 23:47, maxim wexler wrote:
> >
> http://www.edmunds-enterprises.com/linux/cart.php/ba/pdtl/product/218
> > 
> 
> How different are these from the packageCDs on the
> gentoo site? In a pinch I can get one of these from a
> pal in town who has broadband. That's how I got the
> install iso.

According to my intepretation of the site, the packages are synced and
burnt/pressed within 24 hours of the order.


Gentoo has been the rising star in the Linux community with it's
innovative ports system and the capability to easily compile and
optimize selected packages from source. By installing only the packages
you desire and really need, you have the ability to customize your
system to your heart's content. It's strength also lies in how quickly
new releases of popular applications make it to the portage tree. You
can be enjoying programs such as that new KDE desktop weeks or even
months before "that other major distro" is getting ready for a new major
release. 

Yet, even with it's strengths there are some 'challenges': 
  * to really obtain a full Gentoo Linux install you really need
high speed internet access. This is because after the base
install from CD the majority of packages are then downloaded
from a mirror to be compiled and installed on your system.
  * if you are behind a firewall it can be difficult (though
possible) to sync the portage tree with your Gentoo system
To address these barriers we've created Gentoo Portage Essentials CD's,
an exclusive offering from Edmunds Enterprises. We automatically build
these daily custom Gentoo package CD's which contain the latest stable
version of the the most popular and essential programs that will meet
the needs of most Linux users. By scanning the portage tree for the
previous day you are assured that only stable packages are selected and
that they are the most recent versions available. You can watch the
gentoo mirrors to see what the date of the latest portage archive is
under the snapshots directory to see how current these CD's will be. 

After installing you can still download and install your own security
updates and package releases. If however you see a new package that is
just too large to download or you are looking for the convenience of
having up to date Gentoo packages CD's, then you always have the option
of obtaining an updated portage tree of Gentoo Essentials. If you are
installing multiple machines then this may also be the trick to quickly
and easily update multiple PC's. 

The package selection list is loosly based on the types of packages you
would find in a popular distribution such as Mandrake and will meed the
needs of most Linux desktop and server configurations. However, you are
never limited to just installing these packages and can always download
and install additional packages as your needs change. With over 6GB of
packages on the mirrors there are many to choose from. We are also
always looking at new packages to add to Gentoo Essentials so email us
with your suggestions and we'll see if we can fit them on the CD's. 

What You Need

To install Gentoo you will need an installation CD (available separately
as Gentoo Linux 1.4rc? Basic x86) to get a basic system up and running.
>From there you would install the applications you desire from the Gentoo
Essentials CD's by following the step by step instructions found on
CD's. 

Since these programs are updated frequently by the folks of Gentoo the
actual package list may vary somewhat from build to build but basically
this CD set will contain the latest stable version of each of these
packages whenever possible
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> Besides, I know I need a whack of X11R6*src files(for
> starters) and didn't see them listed in the edmunds
> gentoo-package-list. Maybe they're hidden in one of
> those alternate lines of black on dark blue text!

Try using control-a in your browser to select all the text in the page.
Here is an unedited copy/paste:

app-admin/addpatchespatch management script app-admin/dosfstoolsdos
filesystem tools app-admin/fam-ossFAM, the File Alteration Monitor
app-admin/genromfsCreate space-efficient, small, read-only romfs
filesystems app-admin/gentoo-statsGentoo Linux usage statistics client
daemon app-admin/gentoolkitCollection of unofficial administration
scripts for Gentoo app-admin/gkrellmSingle process stack of various
system monitors app-admin/kportageA graphical frontend for portage
app-admin/logrotateRotates, compresses, and mails system logs
app-admin/makepasswdRandom password generator app-admin/metalogA highly
configurable replacement for syslogd/klogd app-admin/mirrorselectTool to
help select distfiles mirrors for Gentoo app-admin/mtoolsutilities to
access MS-DOS disks from Unix without mounting them app-admin/procinfoA
utility to prettyprint /proc/* app-admin/sudoAllows certain users/groups
to run commands as r

Re: [gentoo-user] moving along . . .

[maxim wexler]

>
http://www.edmunds-enterprises.com/linux/cart.php/ba/pdtl/product/218
> 

How different are these from the packageCDs on the
gentoo site? In a pinch I can get one of these from a
pal in town who has broadband. That's how I got the
install iso.

Besides, I know I need a whack of X11R6*src files(for
starters) and didn't see them listed in the edmunds
gentoo-package-list. Maybe they're hidden in one of
those alternate lines of black on dark blue text!

-mw



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Re: [gentoo-user] moving along . . .

[maxim wexler]

> 
> Wait... I thought the context was with GDM? Then
> pasting is the right
> button, not the middle/wheel. 

the wheel does it for me

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Re: [gentoo-user] moving along . . .

[Phil Sexton]

On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 13:28, maxim wexler wrote:

> right, but there's a lot to download yet and my
> connection(on a good day) takes ~1hr/5M during which
> the phone is not available. Meanwhile I'd like to be
> able to read html and pdf files.

Why not order a "Gentoo Essentials (3 CD Set)"?

http://www.edmunds-enterprises.com/linux/cart.php/ba/pdtl/product/218

> I'd like at least to be able to use my mouse to cut
> and paste. gentoo finds my usb, logitec optical mouse
> on boot. Is there a method of configuring it without
> having to set up X.

emerge gpm

Then, you can use the mouse in command line, across virtual terminals to
"copy and paste", which I think you actually meant rather than "cut and
paste".

Simply left click and swipe the text, switch to another virtual terminal
and middle click will paste it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] moving along . . .

[Willie Wong]

On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 10:49:39AM -0800, maxim wexler wrote:
> 
> > 
> > You can highlight and paste text with different
> > mouse buttons, although 
> > I forgot which off hand.
> 
> click and drag w/left button to copy; click wheel to paste
> 

Wait... I thought the context was with GDM? Then pasting is the right
button, not the middle/wheel. 

W

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Re: [gentoo-user] moving along . . .

[darren kirby]

quoth the maxim wexler:
> > As others have said, "emerge xorg-x11 -pf", but why
> > not recompile your
> > kernel with PPP support? You're going to have to do
> > it sooner or later
> > and sooner will avoid a lot of hassle and reboots.
>
> right, but there's a lot to download yet and my
> connection(on a good day) takes ~1hr/5M during which
> the phone is not available. Meanwhile I'd like to be
> able to read html and pdf files.
>
> I'd like at least to be able to use my mouse to cut
> and paste. gentoo finds my usb, logitec optical mouse
> on boot. Is there a method of configuring it without
> having to set up X.
>
> -mw

'emerge gpm'

gives console mouse support, so you can cut and paste.

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Re: [gentoo-user] moving along . . .

[maxim wexler]

> 
> You can highlight and paste text with different
> mouse buttons, although 
> I forgot which off hand.

click and drag w/left button to copy; click wheel to paste



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Re: [gentoo-user] moving along . . .

[Tom Wesley]

maxim wexler wrote:
I'd like at least to be able to use my mouse to cut
and paste. gentoo finds my usb, logitec optical mouse
on boot. Is there a method of configuring it without
having to set up X.
Check out GPM:
 # emerge -av gpm
 # /etc/init.d/gpm start
You can highlight and paste text with different mouse buttons, although 
I forgot which off hand.

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Re: [gentoo-user] moving along . . .

[maxim wexler]

> 
> As others have said, "emerge xorg-x11 -pf", but why
> not recompile your
> kernel with PPP support? You're going to have to do
> it sooner or later
> and sooner will avoid a lot of hassle and reboots.

right, but there's a lot to download yet and my
connection(on a good day) takes ~1hr/5M during which
the phone is not available. Meanwhile I'd like to be
able to read html and pdf files.

I'd like at least to be able to use my mouse to cut
and paste. gentoo finds my usb, logitec optical mouse
on boot. Is there a method of configuring it without
having to set up X.

-mw




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Re: [gentoo-user] moving along . . .

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:57:32 -0800 (PST), maxim wexler wrote:

> speaking of which: when I try to emerge xorg it gags
> when it has to go online to download a distfile. This
> has got me hopping back and forth between my XP and
> gentoo systems(forgot to compile PPP support in
> kernel)because emerge xorg keeps missing more
> distfiles.

As others have said, "emerge xorg-x11 -pf", but why not recompile your
kernel with PPP support? You're going to have to do it sooner or later
and sooner will avoid a lot of hassle and reboots.


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Re: [gentoo-user] moving along . . .

[Mike Williams]

On Monday 28 February 2005 01:57, maxim wexler wrote:
> Thanks for all your help. A coherent system is
> starting to "emerge".
>
> speaking of which: when I try to emerge xorg it gags
> when it has to go online to download a distfile. This
> has got me hopping back and forth between my XP and
> gentoo systems(forgot to compile PPP support in
> kernel)because emerge xorg keeps missing more
> distfiles.
>
> Is there a list of all files(dependencies?) needed for
> each package to save all this back and forth?

emerge package packages package -pf

pretend, fetch.

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Re: [gentoo-user] moving along . . .

[Nick Rout]

emerge -pf xorg-x11

will give you a list of url's you need to  download in order to compile
xorg-x11

can you enable ICS on the windows machine and let the gentoo box
download through that?


On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:57:32 -0800 (PST)
maxim wexler wrote:

> Thanks for all your help. A coherent system is
> starting to "emerge".
> 
> speaking of which: when I try to emerge xorg it gags
> when it has to go online to download a distfile. This
> has got me hopping back and forth between my XP and
> gentoo systems(forgot to compile PPP support in
> kernel)because emerge xorg keeps missing more
> distfiles.
> 
> Is there a list of all files(dependencies?) needed for
> each package to save all this back and forth?
> 
> -mw
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[gentoo-user] moving along . . .

[maxim wexler]

Thanks for all your help. A coherent system is
starting to "emerge".

speaking of which: when I try to emerge xorg it gags
when it has to go online to download a distfile. This
has got me hopping back and forth between my XP and
gentoo systems(forgot to compile PPP support in
kernel)because emerge xorg keeps missing more
distfiles.

Is there a list of all files(dependencies?) needed for
each package to save all this back and forth?

-mw





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