Re: [gentoo-user] ATI Radeon 9100 and KT400A
On Sunday 19 October 2003 11:02, Andrew Kirilenko wrote: glxgears gives me about 650 FPS (1152x864 24bpp) default glxears window size. But when I'm totally covering glxgears win with xterm I'm getting 8000 FPS (that's expected :) and when I'm covering only very small part of green gear with xterm, I'm getting about 1500-1600 FPS (and that's strange). Next, when maximizing window to fullscreen, it shows about 72 FPS, but gears SEEMS to rotate much quickly. Can somebody explain me this behaivor? Your brain can't interpret images at much more than 120fps and you're monitor can only output at about the same or less. At 72fps is looks like the gears are actually turning. At 650fps or 1600fps you're only seeing every 5th or 10th or 15th frame of what the computer is actually calculating and putting into video memory. BTW, you're lucky to get 8000fps off-screen. I get ~550fps at regular size, ~75fps at full-screen (1024x768x24) and only ~1550 at regular size off-screen. Probably due to lack of DRM-support of nvidias? or is that just wishful thinking ;-) Jason -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ATI Radeon 9100 and KT400A
i have nvidia geforce2 ultra onboard, i get 1fps all time, in 1600x1200 On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 04:02, Andrew Kirilenko wrote: Hello! snip This problem was just solved today and isn't even in portage yet. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30541 Will take a look at it right now! Fsck! Need to rebuild X once again :( snip OK. This has solved my problem. Thanks. glxgears gives me about 650 FPS (1152x864 24bpp) default glxears window size. But when I'm totally covering glxgears win with xterm I'm getting 8000 FPS (that's expected :) and when I'm covering only very small part of green gear with xterm, I'm getting about 1500-1600 FPS (and that's strange). Next, when maximizing window to fullscreen, it shows about 72 FPS, but gears SEEMS to rotate much quickly. Can somebody explain me this behaivor? Best regards, Andrew. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ATI Radeon 9100 and KT400A
Hello! On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 02:30:47PM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Sunday 19 October 2003 11:02, Andrew Kirilenko wrote: glxgears gives me about 650 FPS (1152x864 24bpp) default glxears window size. But when I'm totally covering glxgears win with xterm I'm getting 8000 FPS (that's expected :) and when I'm covering only very small part of green gear with xterm, I'm getting about 1500-1600 FPS (and that's strange). Next, when maximizing window to fullscreen, it shows about 72 FPS, but gears SEEMS to rotate much quickly. Can somebody explain me this behaivor? Your brain can't interpret images at much more than 120fps and you're monitor can only output at about the same or less. At 72fps is looks like the gears are actually turning. At 650fps or 1600fps you're only seeing every 5th or 10th or 15th frame of what the computer is actually calculating and putting into video memory. Yes, yes, yes. I understand this. But what if I'd start some complex opengl app? I'm not sure it'll provide me with 20-30 FPS while simple glxgears (not SO simple, but simple enough) provides me only with 700. I'm emerging tuxracer for test this right now (it's the best opengl testing app, I know). BTW. For ATI / NV discussion - my prefference is ATI because: - better open drivers support (and almost the same quality closed support as in NV) - __MUCH__ better 2D - if you want fast 3D - ATI is the best (I have got my radeon 9100 for about $110 about 4 months ago and it supports... hmm... pixel shaders e.g.). NV card with the same capatibilities will cost about $150. BTW, you're lucky to get 8000fps off-screen. I get ~550fps at regular size, ~75fps at full-screen (1024x768x24) and only ~1550 at regular size off-screen. Probably due to lack of DRM-support of nvidias? or is that just wishful thinking ;-) Best regards, Andrew. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ATI Radeon 9100 and KT400A
Hello! Blah! I have recompiled XFree - the same problem with glxinfo and glxgears! However, `glxinfo -i` works and shows that there is no direct rendering. On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:14:51AM +0300, Andrew Kirilenko wrote: Hello! I have got new PC with ATI Radeon 9100 and Gigabyte's MB based on KT400A. I'd like to get hardware opengl. The very first thing, I have tried is using agpgart and xfree-drm on 2.4 kernel. After some time fscking with it and googling, I have found that agpgart in 2.4 doesn't support version 3 of AGP (or something like this), and it's impossible to tell KT400A to not use this AGP3 with my videocard, and only solution is to use 2.6 kernel. OK. I have emerged developemt-sources (test6 at the moment), compiled them and booted into without any problems. The first problem, I have noticed that there is no DMA (and `hdparm /dev/hda -d 1` can't set it). Blah. OK. Maybe I have missed something when configured kernel, but this is not so important at the moment. Then I have tried `modprobe agpgart` and it was successfull - my radeon was detected correctly. After this I have started `emerge xfree-drm` and it simply failed (it supports nothing but 2.4 and patch for 2.5 is commented in the ebuild and missing in xfree-drm/files). OK. No problem. I made `make menuconfig` again and enabled DRM provided with kernel. After recompiling and rebooting I have inserted all necessary modules and `startx`. OK. X was started without problems. Superb! I started `glxinfo` and simply got segfault (and the same with `glxgears`). I'm wondering if DRM from kernel is suitable for my XFree version (4.3)? Or it's possible to get xfree-drm for 2.6 somewhere? Or I need to boot 2.6 and recompile X (`X -version` shows Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.19-4GB i686 [ELF])? Or something else? I'm here, waiting for suggestions :) PS. Sorry for such looong story and my not perfect english. Best regards, Andrew. Best regards, Andrew. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ATI Radeon 9100 and KT400A
On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 17:14, Andrew Kirilenko wrote: Hello! I have got new PC with ATI Radeon 9100 and Gigabyte's MB based on KT400A. I'd like to get hardware opengl. The very first thing, I have tried is using agpgart and xfree-drm on 2.4 kernel. After some time fscking with it and googling, I have found that agpgart in 2.4 doesn't support version 3 of AGP (or something like this), and it's impossible to tell KT400A to not use this AGP3 with my videocard, and only solution is to use 2.6 kernel. OK. I have emerged developemt-sources (test6 at the moment), compiled them and booted into without any problems. The first problem, I have noticed that there is no DMA (and `hdparm /dev/hda -d 1` can't set it). Blah. OK. Maybe I have missed something when configured kernel, but this is not so important at the moment. Then I You probably missed support for your IDE chipset, that will get your DMA. have tried `modprobe agpgart` and it was successfull - my radeon was detected correctly. After this I have started `emerge xfree-drm` and it simply failed (it supports nothing but 2.4 and patch for 2.5 is commented in the ebuild and missing in xfree-drm/files). OK. No problem. I made `make menuconfig` again and enabled DRM provided with kernel. After recompiling and rebooting I have inserted all necessary modules and `startx`. OK. X was started without problems. Superb! I started `glxinfo` and simply got segfault (and the same with `glxgears`). This problem was just solved today and isn't even in portage yet. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30541 I'm wondering if DRM from kernel is suitable for my XFree version (4.3)? Yes. Or it's possible to get xfree-drm for 2.6 somewhere? Or I need to boot 2.6 and recompile X (`X -version` shows Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.19-4GB i686 [ELF])? Or something else? I'm here, waiting for suggestions :) PS. Sorry for such looong story and my not perfect english. Best regards, Andrew. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] ATI Radeon 9100 and KT400A
Hello! On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 08:19:21PM -0400, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 17:14, Andrew Kirilenko wrote: Hello! I have got new PC with ATI Radeon 9100 and Gigabyte's MB based on KT400A. I'd like to get hardware opengl. The very first thing, I have tried is using agpgart and xfree-drm on 2.4 kernel. After some time fscking with it and googling, I have found that agpgart in 2.4 doesn't support version 3 of AGP (or something like this), and it's impossible to tell KT400A to not use this AGP3 with my videocard, and only solution is to use 2.6 kernel. OK. I have emerged developemt-sources (test6 at the moment), compiled them and booted into without any problems. The first problem, I have noticed that there is no DMA (and `hdparm /dev/hda -d 1` can't set it). Blah. OK. Maybe I have missed something when configured kernel, but this is not so important at the moment. Then I You probably missed support for your IDE chipset, that will get your DMA. Yes. I have enabled my chipset as module, but forgot to load it. Now it's OK. have tried `modprobe agpgart` and it was successfull - my radeon was detected correctly. After this I have started `emerge xfree-drm` and it simply failed (it supports nothing but 2.4 and patch for 2.5 is commented in the ebuild and missing in xfree-drm/files). OK. No problem. I made `make menuconfig` again and enabled DRM provided with kernel. After recompiling and rebooting I have inserted all necessary modules and `startx`. OK. X was started without problems. Superb! I started `glxinfo` and simply got segfault (and the same with `glxgears`). This problem was just solved today and isn't even in portage yet. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30541 Will take a look at it right now! Fsck! Need to rebuild X once again :( I'm wondering if DRM from kernel is suitable for my XFree version (4.3)? Yes. Got it already, while googling. Thanks anyway. Or it's possible to get xfree-drm for 2.6 somewhere? Or I need to boot 2.6 and recompile X (`X -version` shows Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.19-4GB i686 [ELF])? Or something else? I'm here, waiting for suggestions :) PS. Sorry for such looong story and my not perfect english. Best regards, Andrew. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Best regards, Andrew. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ATI Radeon 9100 and KT400A
On Saturday 18 October 2003 5:14 pm, Andrew Kirilenko wrote: Hello! I have got new PC with ATI Radeon 9100 and Gigabyte's MB based on KT400A. I'd like to get hardware opengl. The very first thing, I have tried is using agpgart and xfree-drm on 2.4 kernel. After some time fscking with it and googling, I have found that agpgart in 2.4 doesn't support version 3 of AGP (or something like this), and it's impossible to tell KT400A to not use this AGP3 with my videocard, and only solution is to use 2.6 kernel. OK. I have emerged developemt-sources (test6 at the moment), compiled them and booted into without any problems. The first problem, I have noticed that there is no DMA (and `hdparm /dev/hda -d 1` can't set it). Blah. OK. Maybe I have missed something when configured kernel, but this is not so important at the moment. Then I have tried `modprobe agpgart` and it was successfull - my radeon was detected correctly. After this I have started `emerge xfree-drm` and it simply failed (it supports nothing but 2.4 and patch for 2.5 is commented in the ebuild and missing in xfree-drm/files). OK. No problem. I made `make menuconfig` again and enabled DRM provided with kernel. After recompiling and rebooting I have inserted all necessary modules and `startx`. OK. X was started without problems. Superb! I started `glxinfo` and simply got segfault (and the same with `glxgears`). I'm wondering if DRM from kernel is suitable for my XFree version (4.3)? Or it's possible to get xfree-drm for 2.6 somewhere? Or I need to boot 2.6 and recompile X (`X -version` shows Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.19-4GB i686 [ELF])? Or something else? I'm here, waiting for suggestions :) PS. Sorry for such looong story and my not perfect english. Best regards, Andrew. Andrew, I've been building my ATI stuff for the Radeon 9000 Pro into the kernel. (on all 2.6 kernels I've tried- works good, and I get 8000+ on the glxgears test. Probably will work on your card too. I have tried ATI drivers, and xfree-drm, but that didn't work as well as the stock kernel version. (I admit though, I don't play any games, so it might not suffice for your needs). Here's my section of the 2.6.0-test8 (and all lower tests also) kernel .config file- This is on an MSI KT3 Ultra 2 (333Mhz). I have better results with building my kernels as user (not in /usr/src as root, and using mm patches from vanilla sources- not Gentoo's emerge type kernels- better control and I always know exactly what is happening. CONFIG_AGP=y # CONFIG_AGP_ALI is not set # CONFIG_AGP_ATI is not set # CONFIG_AGP_AMD is not set # CONFIG_AGP_AMD64 is not set # CONFIG_AGP_INTEL is not set # CONFIG_AGP_NVIDIA is not set # CONFIG_AGP_SIS is not set # CONFIG_AGP_SWORKS is not set CONFIG_AGP_VIA=y CONFIG_DRM=y # CONFIG_DRM_TDFX is not set # CONFIG_DRM_GAMMA is not set # CONFIG_DRM_R128 is not set CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=y # CONFIG_DRM_MGA is not set # CONFIG_DRM_SIS is not set # CONFIG_MWAVE is not set # CONFIG_RAW_DRIVER is not set # CONFIG_HANGCHECK_TIMER is not set Robert Crawford -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ATI Radeon 9100 and KT400A
Hello! snip This problem was just solved today and isn't even in portage yet. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30541 Will take a look at it right now! Fsck! Need to rebuild X once again :( snip OK. This has solved my problem. Thanks. glxgears gives me about 650 FPS (1152x864 24bpp) default glxears window size. But when I'm totally covering glxgears win with xterm I'm getting 8000 FPS (that's expected :) and when I'm covering only very small part of green gear with xterm, I'm getting about 1500-1600 FPS (and that's strange). Next, when maximizing window to fullscreen, it shows about 72 FPS, but gears SEEMS to rotate much quickly. Can somebody explain me this behaivor? Best regards, Andrew. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ATI Radeon 9100 and KT400A
On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 20:19, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 17:14, Andrew Kirilenko wrote: have tried `modprobe agpgart` and it was successfull - my radeon was detected correctly. After this I have started `emerge xfree-drm` and it simply failed (it supports nothing but 2.4 and patch for 2.5 is commented in the ebuild and missing in xfree-drm/files). OK. No problem. I made `make menuconfig` again and enabled DRM provided with kernel. After recompiling and rebooting I have inserted all necessary modules and `startx`. OK. X was started without problems. Superb! I started `glxinfo` and simply got segfault (and the same with `glxgears`). This problem was just solved today and isn't even in portage yet. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30541 BTW, I just committed the fix for this in patchset 2.1.19. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] ATI Radeon 9100 and KT400A
I have a motherboard based on VIA KT400, and I had problems running my nvidia card until i put acpi=off in my boot command. Just a suggestion. Matt On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 19:16, Andrew Kirilenko wrote: Hello! Blah! I have recompiled XFree - the same problem with glxinfo and glxgears! However, `glxinfo -i` works and shows that there is no direct rendering. On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:14:51AM +0300, Andrew Kirilenko wrote: Hello! I have got new PC with ATI Radeon 9100 and Gigabyte's MB based on KT400A. I'd like to get hardware opengl. The very first thing, I have tried is using agpgart and xfree-drm on 2.4 kernel. After some time fscking with it and googling, I have found that agpgart in 2.4 doesn't support version 3 of AGP (or something like this), and it's impossible to tell KT400A to not use this AGP3 with my videocard, and only solution is to use 2.6 kernel. OK. I have emerged developemt-sources (test6 at the moment), compiled them and booted into without any problems. The first problem, I have noticed that there is no DMA (and `hdparm /dev/hda -d 1` can't set it). Blah. OK. Maybe I have missed something when configured kernel, but this is not so important at the moment. Then I have tried `modprobe agpgart` and it was successfull - my radeon was detected correctly. After this I have started `emerge xfree-drm` and it simply failed (it supports nothing but 2.4 and patch for 2.5 is commented in the ebuild and missing in xfree-drm/files). OK. No problem. I made `make menuconfig` again and enabled DRM provided with kernel. After recompiling and rebooting I have inserted all necessary modules and `startx`. OK. X was started without problems. Superb! I started `glxinfo` and simply got segfault (and the same with `glxgears`). I'm wondering if DRM from kernel is suitable for my XFree version (4.3)? Or it's possible to get xfree-drm for 2.6 somewhere? Or I need to boot 2.6 and recompile X (`X -version` shows Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.19-4GB i686 [ELF])? Or something else? I'm here, waiting for suggestions :) PS. Sorry for such looong story and my not perfect english. Best regards, Andrew. Best regards, Andrew. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
