Re: [gentoo-user] Interested in Gentoo, need answers to several questions
On Thursday 06 March 2003 05:46, Kevin J. Anderson wrote: The only thing I would add is that I dont know of a gentoo-designed way to start from a bootable floppy rather than one of the gentoo cdroms. Although, I am sure its just a matter of downloading for example a rootboot disk http://www.toms.net/rb/ configuring your network, disks, downloading which ever stage you wanted to start from, and then chrooting like you usually do. This would have to work, because if you can chroot from another hard disk based install, you should be able to chroot from the floppy. In fact, I'm actually suprised no one has made a floppy sans stage files etc to boot w/ then dl the rest from there onto the box's hard drives. This is very possible. They only reason that no floppy is provided is that there are good floppy distributions available, and there is no way to put a 2.4 kernel with enough drivers on it to make everyone happy on a disk that also carries a (small) root system. A CD does not have such problems thus requires far less maintenance. Floppy distro's need lots of tweaking, and toms disk does this well, so there's no need for gentoo to provide another one. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Researcher Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.cs.kun.nl/~pauldv pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Interested in Gentoo, need answers to several questions
You do emerge sync # which pulls in the latest builds. emerge programofchoice # which configures, builds, installs the program emerge -u world will update anything that needs it. There are options to do the dependencies also. emerge -u system will update the system. emerge -pu world will tell you what it would do but not actually do it. Hallo all... I am VERY interested in Gentoo Linux. I am a long time FreeBSD user and I have used Linux before. Red Hat 6 was the last Linux flavor I taste thus that was a long time ago. I haven't followed many Linux news since then. snip Later, I install cvsup, I check-in the latest FreeBSD source and port, then I can recompile the whole world with specific compiler optimizations, and I can install e.g.: KDE, Gnome from ports. I am looking for simplified instruction to do the FreeBSD analogy for Gentoo Linux. Can anyone help? Thank you /john -- Brett I. Holcomb AKA Grunt -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Interested in Gentoo, need answers to several questions
On March 5, 2003 10:03 pm, John Indra wrote: In FreeBSD, there are -STABLE branch and -CURRENT branch. Whenever I want to install the latest -STABLE branch gentoo using something called ACCEPT_KEYWORDS that you can define in your make.conf file. if you set it to say, x86 gentoo will only install stable packages on your system. however, if you're up for taking risks, you can set it to ~x86 which will install all the not quite ready, but featurefull stuff. 1. I can go to one of the FreeBSD snapshot servers to download latest build of -STABLE tree not nessecary. emerge sync will get you a list of all the available source packages 2. Setup those files thus the installer later can fetch the files from local FTP server read above 3. Make the boot disk see #1 4. Boot the PC I want to install using those disks see #1... agian ;-) 5. The installer run and fetch the installation files from my local FTP server (which contains the FreeBSD installation files already) emerge programname does exactly that. Later, I install cvsup, I check-in the latest FreeBSD source and port, then I can recompile the whole world with specific compiler optimizations, and I can install e.g.: KDE, Gnome from ports. cvs is outta my leage. i've never messed with the stuff. maybe someone else has a comment? -- a true friend stabs you in the front - oscar wilde -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Interested in Gentoo, need answers to several questions
John Indra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In FreeBSD, there are -STABLE branch and -CURRENT branch. Whenever I want to install the latest -STABLE branch Gentoo is FreeBSD on S T E R O I D S. My NAT / IPFW2 (DMZ) box is a FreeBSD-4.8-PRERELEASE with 47 make worlds / kernel compiles :). I never used Linux while being satisfied with the experience until I used Gentoo Linux. My first shot @ Linux was last year going from Redhat to Debian to Slackware to Gentoo on a test machine (my trusty e-machines) and was not fully satisfied with the experience and always kept on using FreeBSD. My whole internal network was FreeBSD and Windows, with 0 Linux boxes. Now all those boxes are running Gentoo Linux and the only box with FreeBSD is my NAT. I dont know how the hell that happened, but it did. You can compare STABLE with the default Gentoo Linux installation you get right off the LiveCD, except you have a choice of building the whole system from scratch. You can then compare CURRENT with the ARCH=~86 branch when using Gentoo Linux. I never used Gentoo 1.2, but I'm going to assume it to be the RELEASE equivalent (since I've never used 1.2 before). A few differences between Gentoo Linux and FreeBSD are as follows: - You pretty much build *everything* from source while using Gentoo Linux, while having an option of installing a (pkg_add -r ) pre-compiled package or compiling a package from source using the ports system. Also, FreeBSD has the stand/sysinstall option as to where Gentoo Linux takes a more hands on approach to the situation. I have not found a stand/sysinstall equivalent, but I have not needed it as of yet :) - You can start off from stage1-stage3 on Gentoo Linux which leaves you @ the equivalent of a FreeBSD system with the kernel-developer (no X) option. It also seems to me that one is *forced* to have portage installed on Gentoo since you must compile everything from source, whereas you have the option of installing the FreeBSD ports system or not. Once again, you can choose to NOT install the ports system on FreeBSD as you can just download and install pre- compiled packages from the internet and have them automatically installed with dependencies being taken care of ala Debian GNU/Linux. - FreeBSD-RELEASE is *S O L I D* and they work VERY hard on having EVERYTHING within the RELEASE section working as it is intended. Gentoo Linux, on the otherhand is rather bleeding edge, so some of the packages sometimes end up having quirks and bugs in them... what this means is sometimes some packages will compile, and sometimes they wont. As you know, there are NO GUARANTEES of your system working / not working when using the STABLE branch of FreeBSD... as it is STABLE, but not RELEASE quality. Hence, why we are still @ 1.4_rc3... FreeBSD-CURRENT is reminiscent of ARCH=~86 as it will work / or not work... in other words, you're on your own and should have some intermediate / advanced skills to fix your own problems and come up with your own solutions developer style. - FreeBSD has been around since before I was born... Gentoo has been around for a few years. - You can fully optimize your system and use any of the available filesystems and linux kernel technologies that are out now, while FreeBSD takes a more traditional approach in the matter. One of the major things that drove me away from Linux in the past was the: e... you use an RPM distro?... I didnt get it... you are not happy with someone using WIndows and want them using Linux, and when they finally convert you start bitching @ them because they are using an RPM distro over a source based distro? That always drove me away from Linux as I found it childish. I never found that problem when using FreeBSD... cuz what can you say... its FreeBSD! Or even the ew you use Corel Linux or Elx Linux?.. you suck!... No one can really say anything but, wow, you're using Gentoo huh? because even intermediate users are rather intimidated by the installation guide be- cause they actually have to *think* and plan what they want to do ahead of time because you dont want to really install and then re-install a gentoo system over and over again... it takes sooo much of a very precious resource: TIME. So, it teaches you how *NOT* to break things and how to fix things before taking the easy way out and re-installing. Once again, I used *FreeBSD* exclusively... until Gentoo Linux. It's kind of sad how I've abandoned FreeBSD for Gentoo Linux actually. Heh, and to think Gentoo Linux has taken over my p4-1600... a place where FreeBSD once sat. Only time I use FreeBSD now is to make changes to my firewall ruleset when I want to allow someone into my network, or when I want to open up certain ports for certain applications within my LAN. I even switched my servers over to Gentoo Linux as I am putting a lot of faith in this distribution (so dont let me down). I must say I had 0% downtime on FreeBSD-RELEASE, whereas I've had 5%-10% downtime with Gentoo 1.4_rc*...
RE: [gentoo-user] Interested in Gentoo, need answers to several questions
--Original Message- -From: John Indra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:35 PM -To: 'Louis C. Candell' -Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] Interested in Gentoo, need answers to several -questions - - - Last words: Try Gentoo and you might not go back to FreeBSD. ;) - -Aah... Just the kind of light I hoped someone shed on me ;) - -Thank you very much. Your reply pretty much enlighten a lot of things. - -/john The only thing I would add is that I dont know of a gentoo-designed way to start from a bootable floppy rather than one of the gentoo cdroms. Although, I am sure its just a matter of downloading for example a rootboot disk http://www.toms.net/rb/ configuring your network, disks, downloading which ever stage you wanted to start from, and then chrooting like you usually do. This would have to work, because if you can chroot from another hard disk based install, you should be able to chroot from the floppy. In fact, I'm actually suprised no one has made a floppy sans stage files etc to boot w/ then dl the rest from there onto the box's hard drives. kev -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
