Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question - migration from RH8
First of all, thanks to all that have provided advice on how to migrate. Ok, so I've made up my mind and want to migrate to Gentoo... should I wait until 1.4 final or does the portage system make irrevelevant the distribution you start with? Is there an expeceted release date for 1.4 final? Thanks, regards Jose Matthew Kennedy wrote: Jose Gonzalez Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm a freelance Java developer, and I have two machines: one that serves as develoment server (CVS, Apache, JBoss, OC4J, SAPDb, etc) and another one that I use as development workstation (Gnome, Netbeans, and the usual stuff like Mozilla, OpenOffice,...). I have taken a look to several reviews of Gentoo, and they all tell the same about installing it: it takes a loong time. I cannot I'm in a similar situation to yours (almost same tool set too). What I do is build my next gentoo install on whatever box (rh, gentoo etc.) in a chroot. This way I'm not wasting any time waiting for things to emerge. Than I tar up my chroot, keep it some place safe, boot, partition and unpack the tarballs across the network (NFS, FTP, netcat -- whatever is handy). This way I have exactly the system I want on first boot (GNOME, Emacs, Java etc.) with about 20 minutes (tops) down-time. You hit the ground running so to speak. Matt
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question - migration from RH8
On Fri, 07 Mar 2003 08:38:26 -0500 brett holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because of the great portage system releases have no meaning for Gentoo except for the CDs. Install 1.4rc3 and then keep up with emerge synch emerge -u system emerge -u world You might want to do -up for each just to see what it will update and check it over. This way you keep up to date and when 1.4 is released you are at 1.4 already. On Fri, 07 Mar 2003 12:48:02 +0100 Jose Gonzalez Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, thanks to all that have provided advice on how to migrate. Ok, so I've made up my mind and want to migrate to Gentoo... should Iwait until 1.4 final or does the portage system make irrevelevant the distribution you start with? Is there an expeceted release date for 1.4 final? With gentoo, there's almost never a good reason to wait, unless you need something special in the Livecd or something like the latest and greatest XFree. The latest and greatest XFree will either provide something you can't live without, or it will totally cobble your system. The latter is more likely! Don't wait. You can upgrade anything that comes out with 1.4 final when it's ready. -- Collins -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question - migration from RH8
On ons, 2003-03-05 at 15:42, Jose Gonzalez Gomez wrote: Hi, I've been a RH8 user for a few months, and I'm really sick of the rpm stuff. I had a lot of problems installing a few things, and I still have things not working, like video conferencing. I heard of the gentoo distribution and thought I'd give it a try. I'm a freelance Java developer, and I have two machines: one that serves as develoment server (CVS, Apache, JBoss, OC4J, SAPDb, etc) and another one that I use as development workstation (Gnome, Netbeans, and the usual stuff like Mozilla, OpenOffice,...). I have taken a look to several reviews of Gentoo, and they all tell the same about installing it: it takes a loong time. I cannot afford having one of my machines down for a long period of time, so I was thinking about the way of migrating from RH8 to Gentoo. I have thought of buying another hard disk, install Gentoo on it, pass all my files from the old system to the new system, and use the old disk to repeat the same process in the new machine... what do you think of this? Any other solution? hmm, do u mean compiling one one machine and move the allready compiled programs to the other machine? im not sure, but i suppose that should work if the machine have equal hardware Please, notice I don't want to have several distributions lying around, so I think that making another partition and adding a new system to GRUB is not a solution. About installation time... my machines are AMD (1Ghz and 1,66 Ghz) with 256 and 512Mb of RAM. yes, installation takes time..., but you should have a ready system if you let it compile the whole weekend (including nights) I have an ADSL connection that gives me 25Kbytes/s. How much time do you think I may spend installing these systems? Is there any way to leverage the downloaded sources, so I don't have to download the same twice? yes, downloaded files are saved and are not deletead unless you do it by yourself, so u could do one of the boxes one weekend, then nfs share the downloaded sources and move them over to the other machine May I install Gentoo in several short steps shuting down the machine between them? Another question... is it possible to rollback an installation in Gentoo? Regards Jose -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Martin Larsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question - migration from RH8
Jose Gonzalez Gomez wrote: Hi, I'm a freelance Java developer, and I have two machines: one that serves as develoment server I have taken a look to several reviews of Gentoo, and they all tell the same about installing it: it takes a loong time. I cannot afford having one of my machines down for a long period of time, so I was thinking about the way of migrating from RH8 to Gentoo. I have thought of buying another hard disk, install Gentoo on it, pass all my files from the old system to the new system, and use the old disk to repeat the same process in the new machine... what do you think of this? Any other solution? I installed gentoo on a second drive (well, I have 3 hd's on this box (drives are cheap) and it took about 30 hrs to get a working kde system built from stage 1. That does include the false start when I didn't follow directions and I somehow broke the chroot environment during the first installation and had to startover =) I don't know if it could have taken less time because I didn't babysit the installation, I started up the longer operations and went to bed, when I got up it had stopped at some point waiting for a user response. Oh yeah, I have a Athlon-xp 2k with 512 mb ram and a cable connection. About installation time... my machines are AMD (1Ghz and 1,66 Ghz) with 256 and 512Mb of RAM. I have an ADSL connection that gives me 25Kbytes/s. How much time do you think I may spend installing these systems? Is there any way to leverage the downloaded sources, so I don't have to download the same twice? May I install Gentoo in several short steps shuting down the machine between them? Another question... is it possible to rollback an installation in Gentoo? I don't know about the rollback. You don't have to redownload the source twice, it's cached. Unless there was an update to the software. Neal -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question - migration from RH8
Alec Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bochs is another alternative, but I've heard it is incredibly slow. Painfully slow. Heh. would be worth grabbing a free 30-day VMWare trial, or go the similarly speedy route of the UML tutorial. Yah, that UML tutorial does kick some major a**! I've used it to compile for my Cyrix6/86 box and all my other Pentium and K-5 boxes with minimal fuss. Your suggestion on using the UML tutorial was right on the spot :) That tutorial has saved me countless hours of work with minimal fuss. -- Alec Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Louis C. Candell -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question - migration from RH8
Jose Gonzalez Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm a freelance Java developer, and I have two machines: one that serves as develoment server (CVS, Apache, JBoss, OC4J, SAPDb, etc) and another one that I use as development workstation (Gnome, Netbeans, and the usual stuff like Mozilla, OpenOffice,...). I have taken a look to several reviews of Gentoo, and they all tell the same about installing it: it takes a loong time. I cannot I'm in a similar situation to yours (almost same tool set too). What I do is build my next gentoo install on whatever box (rh, gentoo etc.) in a chroot. This way I'm not wasting any time waiting for things to emerge. Than I tar up my chroot, keep it some place safe, boot, partition and unpack the tarballs across the network (NFS, FTP, netcat -- whatever is handy). This way I have exactly the system I want on first boot (GNOME, Emacs, Java etc.) with about 20 minutes (tops) down-time. You hit the ground running so to speak. Matt -- Matthew Kennedy Gentoo Linux Developer Bugs go to http://bugs.gentoo.org! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
