Re: [gentoo-user] arts and kde
On Thursday 03 July 2003 22:13, Ernie Schroder wrote: I need some sound advice. When I start KDE I geta cryptic warning about Lets see... ( I am not at all an expert! ) $ krec mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding /tmp/mcop-ernie is accessible owned by user. Try the following: Stop artsd (artsshell terminate), remove the specific dir (rm -rf /tmp/mcop-ernie) and then restart artsd (simply be starting noatun, krec, etc...). If you open a second konsole and run kdeinit in there before, you can get more output from the running/starting artsd. If you problems remain, look at this... Maybe you can also configure your artsd (inside ControlCenter) to give you debug output and setting no application for the output so they only appear in the logs/output from kdeinit, otherwise you will have to click Ok for _every_ debug message. Trying to open an mpg with kmplayer gives the same error message with an additional line: KMPlayerViewStatic::~KMPlayerViewStatic Thats an debugmessage from kmplayer not aRts... Additionally, KDEsystem notifications aren't working either. So the problem is definitly aRts. Arnold -- Get my public-key from pgp.mit.edu or pgp.uni-mainz.de --- Hi, I am a .signature virus. Please copy me into your ~/.signature and send me to all your contacts. After a month or so log in as root and do a rm / -rf. Or ask your administrator to do so... pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] arts and kde
On Friday 04 July 2003 09:45 am, Arnold Krille wrote: On Thursday 03 July 2003 22:13, Ernie Schroder wrote: I need some sound advice. When I start KDE I geta cryptic warning about Lets see... ( I am not at all an expert! ) $ krec mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding /tmp/mcop-ernie is accessible owned by user. Try the following: Stop artsd (artsshell terminate), remove the specific dir (rm -rf /tmp/mcop-ernie) and then restart artsd (simply be starting noatun, krec, etc...). If you open a second konsole and run kdeinit in there before, you can get more output from the running/starting artsd. If you problems remain, look at this... Maybe you can also configure your artsd (inside ControlCenter) to give you debug output and setting no application for the output so they only appear in the logs/output from kdeinit, otherwise you will have to click Ok for _every_ debug message. Trying to open an mpg with kmplayer gives the same error message with an additional line: KMPlayerViewStatic::~KMPlayerViewStatic Thats an debugmessage from kmplayer not aRts... Additionally, KDEsystem notifications aren't working either. So the problem is definitly aRts. Arnold Thanks Arnold. That worked -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] arts and kde
On Thursday 03 July 2003 07:11, gabriel wrote: On June 27, 2003 06:39 am, Arnold Krille wrote: On Thursday 26 June 2003 21:23, daniel wrote: i'm sorry, but i HAVE to ask. what is so great about noatun? i can't delete files from the filesystem by way of the playlist, loading my playlist (4000+ songs) eats up ALL of my cpu for about 2minutes, and shuffling does the same. the skins are ugly, and the winamp skin support only works for the play/stop etc. interface, the playlist is still just as ugly. Thats because Noatun uses plugins. From which information should the Winamp-skin-plugin know which playlist you are using and what GUI to create for it. Note: You can use other playlists. I am currently using hayes, which shows the file like your filesystem. It even recognises new files in the dirs (which xmms doesn't). i can't right-click to get file info, so if the song sucks, i can't even find it on my hard drive to delete it manually etc. etc. so what makes this thing so great? 'cause i just don't see it. This is not an issue with the right playlist-plugin. (see above) also, can someone explain to me why arts exists in the first place? please excuse the ignorance, but since other window managers (windowmaker, gnome, ion etc.) seem to use audio just fine, why is arts even required? Because sometime kde decided to use aRts. Because its still a great system. Because we have to stay binary-compatible till kde4. please excuse the bitchyness, but i'm just so frustrated with this thing and comments like the above which don't answer the initial question concerning the audio lag in flash. But aRts is the reason for this lag. Normally (if you do not reconfigure your artsd) it has about 200ms delay, so the music won't stop while you are opening three homepages and compiling your next kernel... Arnold -- Get my public-key from pgp.mit.edu or pgp.uni-mainz.de --- Hi, I am a .signature virus. Please copy me into your ~/.signature and send me to all your contacts. After a month or so log in as root and do a rm / -rf. Or ask your administrator to do so... pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] arts and kde
Hello! On Thursday 03 July 2003 09:11, gabriel wrote: also, can someone explain to me why arts exists in the first place? please excuse the ignorance, but since other window managers (windowmaker, gnome, ion etc.) seem to use audio just fine, why is arts even required? IMHO I'd vote against aRts too. I always have it disabled... May be arts has a great support for mixing effects etc etc, but *all* I need is just to hear sounds and nothing more! And basic sound playing with aRts is just terrible -- it skips here and there and everywhere *even* if I give aRts the realtime priority. Hope that, as Arnold said, kde4 will get rid of aRts. As about Noatun, it looks pretty well and promising, but I wasn't able to get my cyrrillic titles of songs to display correctly in it (may be I have my /dev/hands broken ;) ). So I'll stay with good old xmms for now. /IMHO Regards, Dmitry. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] arts and kde
On Thursday 03 July 2003 17:59, Dmitry Suzdalev wrote: Hope that, as Arnold said, kde4 will get rid of aRts. I didn't say kde4 wont use aRts. Its just a maybe. Often people on kde-devel-lists propose to drop aRts without thinking of binary-compatibility. And a new multimediasystem for kde has to support a lot of features like sound-mixing, video, synchronisation, network-abilities (not just opening remote files but sending audio/video over network). It has to be BC between releases, be activly developed... And if we have a system that fulfills all of this things, there will still be people saying: I just want to hear sound. I don't need a full media-framework. Not recognising that they also need a system mixing two sounds if the icq-client has a message while they are listening to music... Multimedia isn't that trivial. If you just want to listen to music, get yourself a radio... Arnold, who likes aRts and actively tries to improve it... -- Get my public-key from pgp.mit.edu or pgp.uni-mainz.de --- Hi, I am a .signature virus. Please copy me into your ~/.signature and send me to all your contacts. After a month or so log in as root and do a rm / -rf. Or ask your administrator to do so... pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] arts and kde
On Thursday 03 July 2003 20:20, Arnold Krille wrote: On Thursday 03 July 2003 17:59, Dmitry Suzdalev wrote: I didn't say kde4 wont use aRts. Its just a maybe. Sorry, I misunderstood you. And a new multimediasystem for kde has to support a lot of features like sound-mixing, video, synchronisation, network-abilities (not just opening remote files but sending audio/video over network). I didn't want to say that this things are senceless. I understand that some people will find them useful (but I (personally) dont). I just wanted to note that *for now* and *for me* arts sucks. I will be _very_ glad if someday aRts will become a powerfull multimedia system -- then I'll like it and I'll use it... But please, don't get too offencive -- it's just my opinion. After all it's an opensource world -- anyone chooses what he likes best ;). And if we have a system that fulfills all of this things, there will still be people saying: I just want to hear sound. I don't need a full media-framework. Not recognising that they also need a system mixing two sounds if the icq-client has a message while they are listening to music... I have such a functionality w/o using arts. I use SBLive/Alsa and it works great for me. Multimedia isn't that trivial. If you just want to listen to music, get yourself a radio... I already have one, but it can't react to iconify/deiconify events :). Arnold, who likes aRts and actively tries to improve it... I wish you luck! I think, aRts needs a lot of improvements. I beleive in your programming skills, your KRec works very well and I like it! :). Thanks for reply, Arnold. Regards, Dmitry. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] arts and kde
On Thursday 03 July 2003 18:30, Dmitry Suzdalev wrote: On Thursday 03 July 2003 20:20, Arnold Krille wrote: snipped a lot of personal opinion from me and others... Arnold, who likes aRts and actively tries to improve it... I wish you luck! I think, aRts needs a lot of improvements. I beleive in your programming skills, your KRec works very well and I like it! :). Stay tuned, if I have some time during holidays, the next version coming with kde3.2 will be even better... Arnold -- Get my public-key from pgp.mit.edu or pgp.uni-mainz.de --- Hi, I am a .signature virus. Please copy me into your ~/.signature and send me to all your contacts. After a month or so log in as root and do a rm / -rf. Or ask your administrator to do so... pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] arts and kde
On Thursday 03 July 2003 02:40 pm, Arnold Krille wrote: On Thursday 03 July 2003 18:30, Dmitry Suzdalev wrote: On Thursday 03 July 2003 20:20, Arnold Krille wrote: snipped a lot of personal opinion from me and others... Arnold, who likes aRts and actively tries to improve it... I wish you luck! I think, aRts needs a lot of improvements. I beleive in your programming skills, your KRec works very well and I like it! :). Stay tuned, if I have some time during holidays, the next version coming with kde3.2 will be even better... Arnold I need some sound advice. When I start KDE I geta cryptic warning about sound. Clicking on an audio file or an mpg in a konqueror window crashes konqueror (konq is set to open these files with kmplayer)but if I do: mplayer /someclip/mpg the file plays with sound. This has been happening for the last several days since a string of power outages. I saw the above regarding KRec and decided to check it out. when I try to start krec from an xterm get an error very much like the one I get when KDE starts: $ krec mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding /tmp/mcop-ernie is accessible owned by user. Trying to open an mpg with kmplayer gives the same error message with an additional line: KMPlayerViewStatic::~KMPlayerViewStatic Additionally, KDEsystem notifications aren't working either. -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] arts and kde
IMHO I'd vote against aRts too. I always have it disabled... May be arts has a great support for mixing effects etc etc, but *all* I need is just to hear sounds and nothing more! And basic sound playing with aRts is just terrible -- it skips here and there and everywhere *even* if I give aRts the realtime priority. Mixing is important... if I'm playing an mp3, I'd still like to be able to hear my IM alarms. Maybe I've never had the plain sound drivers set up correctly to do this, but when I switched to using arts, everything worked seamlessly. I've never had a problem with arts, no skipping, no special priorities, no configuration tricks. It essentially worked out of the box on my 800 mhz laptop. It always seems to me that experience with arts is highly personal. What works for some doesn't work for others. KDE in general has really impressed me. I used to be a diehard fluxbox fan, then switched to Gnome 2.2, then to KDE 3.1. I think they're doing a fantastic job (Gnome too). Wes -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] arts and kde
On June 27, 2003 06:39 am, Arnold Krille wrote: On Thursday 26 June 2003 21:23, daniel wrote: cool, but now flash audio in konqueror and none of my system notifications work. is there a way i can have both? maybe with the use of an external player (any suggestions?) Sorry, System Notifications and Konquerer depend on aRts. Either not use them or use aRts (which works great here (ok, i don't use xmms since noatun is _way_ better) ). i'm sorry, but i HAVE to ask. what is so great about noatun? i can't delete files from the filesystem by way of the playlist, loading my playlist (4000+ songs) eats up ALL of my cpu for about 2minutes, and shuffling does the same. the skins are ugly, and the winamp skin support only works for the play/stop etc. interface, the playlist is still just as ugly. i can't right-click to get file info, so if the song sucks, i can't even find it on my hard drive to delete it manually etc. etc. so what makes this thing so great? 'cause i just don't see it. also, can someone explain to me why arts exists in the first place? please excuse the ignorance, but since other window managers (windowmaker, gnome, ion etc.) seem to use audio just fine, why is arts even required? please excuse the bitchyness, but i'm just so frustrated with this thing and comments like the above which don't answer the initial question concerning the audio lag in flash. -- under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison. - henry david thoreau -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] arts and kde
On Thursday 26 June 2003 21:23, daniel wrote: cool, but now flash audio in konqueror and none of my system notifications work. is there a way i can have both? maybe with the use of an external player (any suggestions?) Sorry, System Notifications and Konquerer depend on aRts. Either not use them or use aRts (which works great here (ok, i don't use xmms since noatun is _way_ better) ). Arnold -- Get my public-key from pgp.mit.edu or pgp.uni-mainz.de --- Hi, I am a .signature virus. Please copy me into your ~/.signature and send me to all your contacts. After a month or so log in as root and do a rm / -rf. Or ask your administrator to do so... pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] arts and kde
On Thursday 26 June 2003 20:00, daniel wrote: i love kde. i love every part of it but one: arts. it makes using xmms a pain (i can start it with artsdsp, but if i reboot, i have to restart xmms even if i left it on last time). and it throws flash audio out of sync (i can watch a flash movie in perfect sync in windowmaker, but in kde, the audio is off by at least a second). so my question here is: can i remove it? compile kde without it? anyone know why kde has chosen to go this route and if there's any possiblity that they'll phase it out in the future? thanks. Goto the control centre/sound multimedia/Sound system. It can be disabled there. -- Tom Wesley Please encrypt personal replies if possible. pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] arts and kde
There is also an arts USE flag, so you could put -arts in your USE line in /etc/make.conf so things aren't compiled with arts support. On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 15:00, daniel wrote: i love kde. i love every part of it but one: arts. it makes using xmms a pain (i can start it with artsdsp, but if i reboot, i have to restart xmms even if i left it on last time). and it throws flash audio out of sync (i can watch a flash movie in perfect sync in windowmaker, but in kde, the audio is off by at least a second). so my question here is: can i remove it? compile kde without it? anyone know why kde has chosen to go this route and if there's any possiblity that they'll phase it out in the future? thanks. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] arts and kde
On June 26, 2003 03:13 pm, Tom Wesley wrote: so my question here is: can i remove it? compile kde without it? anyone know why kde has chosen to go this route and if there's any possiblity that they'll phase it out in the future? Goto the control centre/sound multimedia/Sound system. It can be disabled there. cool, but now flash audio in konqueror and none of my system notifications work. is there a way i can have both? maybe with the use of an external player (any suggestions?) -- your old road is rapidly aging please get out of the way if you can't lend a hand for the times they are a changing - bob dylan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] arts and kde
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I've got xmms running in oss mode, with the alsa oss emulation. The mixing is done by alsa, so arts doesn't know anything about xmms (nor xine, etc) in my computer. Maybe you should give alsa a try (if you do so, also insert the module snd-pcm-oss) Cheers, - -- Juan Ángel PGP key on pgp.rediris.es (8FAF18B7) or search on http://www.rediris.es/cert/servicios/keyserver/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE++4staQjbS4+vGLcRAlqBAJ4gKEMptJXXT500+tNtfRZTSYLigwCfU8ex rRQ50oTVl9jPubu08x+GB7U= =IueM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
