Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)

[Iain Buchanan]

Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit?

*ROTFLMAO*

that gave me the biggest laugh in a while... thanks :)
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[gentoo-user] Emerge PEAR packages.

[Pupeno]

How are you supposed to emerge PEAR packages today ?
After upgrading, portage wanted to install dev-lang/php, so I done it remove 
some blocking packages, including dev-php/php and dev-php/mod_php.
Now emerging PEAR-XML_Parser or PEAR-DB wants to emerge dev-php/php back, what 
I am supposed to do ?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Kppp and two different accounts

[Rumen Yotov]

On (20/01/06 19:58), Dale wrote:
> On Friday 20 January 2006 17:32, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:09:01 -0600, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:
> > > find  -name '*' -exec fgrep -l  \{\} \;
> > >
> > > This search all files for the search phrase.
> >
> > Using find with a separate call to grep for each seems a slow way to do
> > things. What's wrong with fgrep -r ?
> >
> > fgrep -lr 'search phrase' directory
> 
> 
> Same output just a shorter command.  I still can't get this figured out.  
> Since it does this with Kppp, wvdial and using ppp's pon, what program has 
> the bug?  I would like to report this and see if I can get some response on 
> this but I don't know who to tell it too.  I'm thinking ppp since it is the 
> one that sends the info.  I would switch ISPs but right now, I can't.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> I type all this in and most likely my ISP won't let me send the email anyway. 
>  
> A minute ago I couldn't even send with Kmail.  Mozilla failed.  Copy and 
> paste to Kmail, say prayer.
> 
> Thanks
> Dale
> :-)
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> 
Hi Dale,
Just a shot in the dark, but try cleaning /tmp directory.
Sometimes there's cruft left in it which messes with new options.
Very rarely but had 2-3 problems with garbage in /tmp (long time ago).
HTH.Rumen


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Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)

[Dale]

Chris White wrote:

>On Friday 20 January 2006 18:10, Linux Java wrote:
>  
>
>>I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular.
>>
>>
>
>That's the most blatant start of a flamewar I've seen...
>
>Ok, let's sit here and ponder.  People like KDE, people like GNOME, hell, 
>people like fluxbox and xfce.  Now to put this in perspective, basically 
>there is no "right answer" to this question, and no matter how much someone 
>suggests, there never will be.  I'm also curious as to how you plan to 
>consider people's opinions on 'popular' valid.
>
>The question of which is better (the question you SHOULD be asking) comes down 
>to this:
>
>1) Why do I need a WM/DE?
>2) What do I do regularly that would make
>my life easier?
>3) How much customization am I looking for?
>4) How well do applications I commonly use
>integrate with it?
>5) What do I think of the community behind it?
>
>Now, these questions are only answerable by you, because.. they are 
>SUBJECTIVE.  That's why flamewars come about, people try and answer 
>subjective questions, then it goes nowhere.
>
>So before this goes any further, guys, think independently about what you need 
>from your DE/WM and make the world a better place.
>
>Chris White
>  
>


Basically, nobody is right and everybody is wrong.  Makes sense to me.

Dale
:-)

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to say.  LOL
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[gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)

[Chris White]

On Friday 20 January 2006 18:10, Linux Java wrote:
> I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular.

That's the most blatant start of a flamewar I've seen...

Ok, let's sit here and ponder.  People like KDE, people like GNOME, hell, 
people like fluxbox and xfce.  Now to put this in perspective, basically 
there is no "right answer" to this question, and no matter how much someone 
suggests, there never will be.  I'm also curious as to how you plan to 
consider people's opinions on 'popular' valid.

The question of which is better (the question you SHOULD be asking) comes down 
to this:

1) Why do I need a WM/DE?
2) What do I do regularly that would make
my life easier?
3) How much customization am I looking for?
4) How well do applications I commonly use
integrate with it?
5) What do I think of the community behind it?

Now, these questions are only answerable by you, because.. they are 
SUBJECTIVE.  That's why flamewars come about, people try and answer 
subjective questions, then it goes nowhere.

So before this goes any further, guys, think independently about what you need 
from your DE/WM and make the world a better place.

Chris White


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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[b.n.]

I'm just writing it for the sake of curiosity, so no flaming is here. 
Just because some answer sound quite "sarcastic", but that's just a 
style thing to get it short. :)



Yes, but you then have bloat (because Konqueror contains web browsing
features that you are not using, therefore the code is unnecessary for
you, but nonetheless present).

[...]
> Code, code, code. Bloat (for me).
[...]
> Fine, I can turn them off, but again, there is
> then a whole lot of backend code for a feature that I do not want in the
> first place and know I don't want.

Ehm. Perhaps it's me being dense but: who cares about unused code? Ok, 
you have unnecessary, unused code sitting on your HD: where's the 
problem? You never see it.



I have to then spend time finding out how to disable it or avoid
installing it.


It's quite odd you obviously had spent the (worthwile but not 
instantaneous) time to learn Linux, install Gentoo etc. but then you 
can't type "emerge --unmerge kmix".


I can't even understand what do you mean here. If you don't want 
icons, don't put them on the desktop. It's that simple. You have to 
do *nothing* to avoid icons on your desktop!


The (presumably) default setting (since I've never touched it, and it is
checked in kcontrol) is "Show icons on desktop". There are then two
additional tabs for kinds of icons that you can enable or disable (for
file types and drives). 


But if you don't actively link things on the desktop, *nothing* appears 
on your desktop!!


I have no interest in going through 6 tabs to specify Window 
Behaviour (I'm looking at the KDE Control Center right now).


Ok, that's a good point. However that 6 tabs are more probably than 
not a wrapper to a plain text config file, that you can configure 
with your favourite editor all at once.


Code for a gui function that I'm not using if I'm just editing the base
text file anyway.


?


Yes they work fine, but they look like poop unless you jump through some
hoops to "integrate" them with the look of your KDE desktop. This may
involve installing additional applications (gtk-chtheme or
gtk-engine-qt), or editing a text file (if you need to "fix" GTK 1
programs, which are generally not affected by the "theme consolidation"
programs, which generally assume you're working with GTK2). Since one of
KDE's big selling points is an integrated look-n-feel, "outside" apps
that break the loveliness of the KDE desktop are very noticeable.


This is one of the things I really have never understood.
1)On a, let's say, fvwm or fluxbox desktop (the one I actually use at 
home, I am a KDE user at work), no app is integrated with nothing. So 
the situation should be worse.
2)GTK apps look different from KDE apps. So what? gmplayer or xpdf 
aren't similar to both. What's so bad in them being different?



I don't even type things like that, I bookmark locations in my file
manager (admittedly, Krusader, if installed with konqueror support--
which means I have to install Konq, though I don't use Konq-- does
recognize kioslaves, so I can bookmark folders in media:/ or smb:/ ) and
just go where I intend to go. without further ado. But I can bookmark
locations (even Samba shares and HAL mounts) in most file managers I
have available (Nautilus, Krusader, TuxCommander, emelFM2)


Hmm. So you mean, for example, you can bookmark a location that shows 
you all SMB-connected PCs on your local network? How do you do this? 
Even for not-smbmounted shares?


Anyway (apart from the code thing, where I am very curious) I understand 
your philosophy.

Thanks,

m.
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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Linux Java]

It's nice of you to give me so detailed explanation!
I think I would like to use gnome for long time ^_^
Thank you very much
On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 15:29 +0100, Holly Bostick wrote:


Neil Bothwick schreef:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:10:13 +0800, Linux Java wrote:
> 
>> I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular.
> 
> Why? Use whatever suits you.
> 

I hope that you all appreciate my extreme restraint in not posting to
this thread until now, given how very much I dislike KDE.

But for the record, just so that all you KDE-heads don't skew the
results com*plete*ly:

I always (from my first attempts at Linux some 3 years ago) preferred
GNOME to KDE. Never liked Nautilus, though (it's tied for second on my
list of "most hated file managers"), and since I've never been fond of
desktop icons and all that cr... junk... I still found it too heavy. So I
switched to Openbox 3 (with a GTK "backend"), and now I use fvwm-crystal
(with a GTK "backend"). Gnome-light is (always) installed, but I don't
use it as a desktop.

I have only two KDE-specific applications that I would not do without
(both compiled -kde and -arts to the greatest extent possible): Krusader
(though this needs Konq and some other KDE utils for best usage, as it
recognizes KDE apps much much better than GTK apps for viewing files and
the like), and K3b. These apps require kdebase, so I've got that, but
the day you see me logging into KDE, you can rest assured that either:

1) my system is so seriously broke that it's the only DE/WM I can get
into (which is pretty unlikely. I mean, I've got iceWM and *afterstep*
on the system, for Pete's sake; the day that doesn't work but KDE does
will be... "The" day);

or

2) I have been replaced by an alien clone (shoot first, ask questions
later).

I prefer to use GTK-based applications wherever possible because I find
them more attractive in general, and I'm more used to them (as a GNOME
user originally), unless they're junk, like Totem, in which case I use
"non-affiliated" programs like Xine or mPlayer. Yes, I know Totem can be
configured to use a Xine backend. Imo, there's no point; if that's the
only way Totem works, I might as well just use Xine. Plus I want to see
when gStreamer gets its act together. However I have no objection to
QT-based apps (as opposed to KDE apps) when necessary. It does need to
be "necessary", though (meaning, if I need it, I'll install qdvdauthor,
because there's no GTK alternative that I know of, but I can just as
well use the CLI original, unless the GUI version has some additional
feature or makes it easier to understand than the CLI version's man page).

So anyway, Neil is of course right: use what you want; it's *your*
desktop (finally!). I don't need a whole lot of GUI features (in fact I
dislike a whole lot of GUI features), so KDE is not for me, the one who
never liked Windows(-like) desktops, even when I was using Windows; I
used an alternative shell from my Win98 days on. But for those who feel
more comfortable with a more Windows-like environment, and Windows-like
assumptions about what a user wants/needs from their desktop, KDE may be
just the thing; that is, after all, what it's designed to do to a great
extent.

You can have it, though. I'll be elsewhere.

Holly

Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware Testing a PC

[Bob Sanders]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:26:23 +
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Try searching Freshmeat for "stress test", there are several programs to
> put network, CPU, I/O etc. through their paces. There's also StressLinux,
> a live CD containing a number of these programs.
>

emerge -uDNav stress

Generally, it's best to add -

emerge -uDNav rss-glx

The start up one or more of the screensavers via the commandline - 
/usr/lib/misc/xscreensaver/skyrocket

which will test both openGL and sound.  Add stress on the command line and
that takes care of most things except 2D dma.  But because desktops, like KDE,
Gnome, e17, all use a layer over the X root window, one can't see the test 
happen.

Assuming e16, flux, openbox, etc.  a script would be created that does the 
following -

Sets up odd and even forefground and background with solid colors like blue, 
green,
red, yellow.  Sets the bitmap path to /usr/include/X11/bitmaps and then create 
a loop
that takes the bitmaps, one by one, found in the previous path and rotates each 
one 
though xsetroot - xsetroot -bitmap $bgpath/$bg -fg $oddfg -bg $oddbg
Then sleep for a few sec, and get the next combo.  Then do all the even 
background
combos.

Bob
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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Rafael Fernández López]

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Linux Java wrote:
> I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular.
> 

I love KDE. It is fully customizable and its code is simply perfect.
One thing that I love from KDE (that makes it less "fast") is that is
written in C++, that has lots of advantages, for example for code
mantaining and so on...

I use KDE as user and I like to develop for KDE and QT (3 or 4, but 4
better ;) ). C++ code is so cute and polished... KDE project is one of
the best things I've seen ever (well take a look at another amazing
projects like eclipse or openoffice).

What I don't like from Gnome is that it is like a block. You maybe
won't customize it too much.

Talking as developer, programming for Gnome is simply terrible. C code
emulating C++ is just a bad path for creating big things (well...  for
example in linux kernel we have to use C because we need it to be really
fast but for a window manager... I think that we could use C++ and it
will run pretty fast).

I can't notice what speed difference exists between Gnome and KDE.
Computers of nowadays can deal with KDE with no problems.

If you have an old computer the worst thing is that KDE won't work as
you'd maybe like to, but maybe Gnome won't too !! And you'll have to
install something like blackbox or something similar...

Bye,
Rafael Fernández López.
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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Bob Sanders]

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:44:19 +1000
"Alan E. Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> May I ask others' experiences with e17?  I just wasted my holiday
> installing e17 on two of three machines.  It is smaller than Kde, but
> background is 20% of cpu .  Buggy.  Beautiful.  A PITA to configure,
> and menus suck. I don't think I'll be there long.   I liked
> enlightenment .16 except I guess I really do need icons to remind me
> of what I've got on the system, and good menus.
> 

I used it a bit.  Reminded me too much of WinXX/KDE/Gnome do I went
back to e16.7.

Icons can be added with Rox and Rox-session.  Menu editing is easy with
e16menuedit and key editing with e16keyedit.

> I still haven't decided to dump e17 for real, but in looking back, I
> did note how heavy KDE 3.5 is.  Gnome: my employers already treat me
> like a child; I need options and flexibility.
>

It's also possible to use engage with e16.7.  giving a task bar at the bottom 
of the
screen.


> But one glaring deficiency keeps hitting me in the face---you can't do
> links with them.  Noone has figured out how to make links user
> friendly?  It's too complicated for the end user? 

Rox filer lets me make links.

Bob
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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Holly Bostick]

b.n. schreef:
>> I myself don't see it as "minimal fuss", not least because KDE 
>> makes so many choices for me in its "feature richness" that I have 
>> to spend two hours (I'm being kind) finding all the bloody options 
>> that I don't want and change them or turn them off or whatever.
> 
> Sorry, I simply can't understand what are you talking about:
> 
>> suppose I don't *want* my file manager integrated with my browser 
>> (didn't want it in Windows, don't want it now).
> 
> Where's the problem? I use Firefox as a browser and Konqueror as a 
> file manager.

Yes, but you then have bloat (because Konqueror contains web browsing
features that you are not using, therefore the code is unnecessary for
you, but nonetheless present).

> 
>> I don't *want* to figure out how to tell KMix not to override my 
>> Alsa mixer settings,
> 
> Disable it. Do not install it.

I have to then spend time finding out how to disable it or avoid
installing it.

> 
>> and I don't want to have to decide whether I want drive icons but 
>> not application icons (or no icons at all) on my desktop, and then 
>> tell KDE my decision.
> 
> I can't even understand what do you mean here. If you don't want 
> icons, don't put them on the desktop. It's that simple. You have to 
> do *nothing* to avoid icons on your desktop!

The (presumably) default setting (since I've never touched it, and it is
checked in kcontrol) is "Show icons on desktop". There are then two
additional tabs for kinds of icons that you can enable or disable (for
file types and drives). Fine, I can turn them off, but again, there is
then a whole lot of backend code for a feature that I do not want in the
first place and know I don't want.

> 
>> I don't want to name my desktops, or put a separate wallpaper on 
>> each one.
> 
> Nor I want, nor KDE ever forced me to do it.


Code, code, code. Bloat (for me).

> 
>> I have no interest in going through 6 tabs to specify Window 
>> Behaviour (I'm looking at the KDE Control Center right now).
> 
> Ok, that's a good point. However that 6 tabs are more probably than 
> not a wrapper to a plain text config file, that you can configure 
> with your favourite editor all at once.

Code for a gui function that I'm not using if I'm just editing the base
text file anyway.

> 
>> And I certainly don't care to be bothered with the problem of how 
>> to make KDE play nice with my GTK apps (I do have some GTK 1 apps, 
>> which are much more problematic than GTK 2 apps in this respect) 
>> simply because I might happen to want to use some program whose 
>> name doesn't bloody start with "K".
> 
> What do you mean by "play nice"? I use a lot of GTK apps (both 1 and 
> 2) and they work perfectly fine here without any fuss.

Yes they work fine, but they look like poop unless you jump through some
hoops to "integrate" them with the look of your KDE desktop. This may
involve installing additional applications (gtk-chtheme or
gtk-engine-qt), or editing a text file (if you need to "fix" GTK 1
programs, which are generally not affected by the "theme consolidation"
programs, which generally assume you're working with GTK2). Since one of
KDE's big selling points is an integrated look-n-feel, "outside" apps
that break the loveliness of the KDE desktop are very noticeable.

> 
>> I have several K-apps installed that I actually don't want, because
>>  the K-app I do use (Krusader) won't open files from within an 
>> archive using GTK apps like eye of gnome or Open Office. karc can't
>>  pass the file to these apps but it works fine with KView or 
>> KWord. Because K apps like other K apps. That makes perfect sense, 
>> since it's all supposed to be an integrated environment, but to me 
>> it feels like a prison.
> 
> I understand what you mean here, that's something that I hate too. 
> It's because other apps don't understand kioslaves. I think kioslaves
>  are the best thing after sliced bread. Typing simply "smb:/" to 
> access a Samba share, or "ftp:/" for accessing transparently FTP 
> filesystems, or "zip:/" for what's in a compressed archive is 
> wonderful. I think other apps should work on compatibility about 
> this. It's simply a good idea.

I don't even type things like that, I bookmark locations in my file
manager (admittedly, Krusader, if installed with konqueror support--
which means I have to install Konq, though I don't use Konq-- does
recognize kioslaves, so I can bookmark folders in media:/ or smb:/ ) and
just go where I intend to go. without further ado. But I can bookmark
locations (even Samba shares and HAL mounts) in most file managers I
have available (Nautilus, Krusader, TuxCommander, emelFM2)

> 
>> But I simply don't like DEs. If I'm going to spend time fine-tuning
>>  my desktop, I want exactly what I want, exactly the way I like it,
>>  not "as close to how I like it as the DE supports". That's why I 
>> use "build-it-yourself" WMs like OB3 and FVWM.
> 
> I can't see why a WM can be more "exactly what you want" than 

Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Ernie Schroder]

On Friday 20 January 2006 06:40, a tiny voice compelled Kristian Poul Herkild 
to write:
> Anthony Roy skrev:
> >>I use KDE.  I tried Gnome and didn't like it.  Some people with
> >
> > Me too. I've given Gnome a try several times (the latest on a recent
> > Ubuntu Live CD, and I just don't like the whole look and feel as much
> > as KDE, which is great IMHO.
> >
> > --
> > Ant...
>
> I prefer Gnome, but KDE has some nice elements as well. Use what works
> best for you.
>
> The look and feel of Gnome is what I like the most. I'm only lacking
> some more advanced configuration options.
>
> KDE however has some nifty things, and I've considered installing it on
> my own system, even though I prefer to have only one DE (well apart from
> those I test, like EDE and Gnustep).
>
> -Kristian Poul Herkild

I've tried Gnome several times. I guess what turned me off was 6 or 7 years 
ago when I installed it and Nautilus virtually took over my machine. Granted 
I was a relative noobie to Linux, but KDE seemed to be much more to my 
liking.
Each time I've tried Gnome since, I suppose I was prejudiced against it. I'm 
56. I don't want to change. I do run Windowmaker on my older/slower machine, 
but that box just sit's there headless most of the time, doing it's own 
thing.
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Re: [gentoo-user] trouble with CUPS

[Manuel McLure]

On Friday 20 January 2006 15:46, Statux wrote:
> I, personally, refuse to use CUPS because I can't get it to do raw
> text-only printing (ala my Oki Microline 320 Turbo). I use LPRng
> instead :/

This is definitely possible with CUPS - just create a queue and select "Raw" 
for make and "Raw Queue" for model. I do it to share an inkjet over Samba so 
that Windows programs can send ESCP/2 data directly. Or add "-l" or "-oraw" 
to your lpr command line.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kppp and two different accounts

[Dale]

On Friday 20 January 2006 17:32, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:09:01 -0600, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:
> > find  -name '*' -exec fgrep -l  \{\} \;
> >
> > This search all files for the search phrase.
>
> Using find with a separate call to grep for each seems a slow way to do
> things. What's wrong with fgrep -r ?
>
> fgrep -lr 'search phrase' directory


Same output just a shorter command.  I still can't get this figured out.  
Since it does this with Kppp, wvdial and using ppp's pon, what program has 
the bug?  I would like to report this and see if I can get some response on 
this but I don't know who to tell it too.  I'm thinking ppp since it is the 
one that sends the info.  I would switch ISPs but right now, I can't.

What do you think?

I type all this in and most likely my ISP won't let me send the email anyway.  
A minute ago I couldn't even send with Kmail.  Mozilla failed.  Copy and 
paste to Kmail, say prayer.

Thanks
Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[b.n.]

I myself don't see it as "minimal fuss", not least because KDE makes so
many choices for me in its "feature richness" that I have to spend two
hours (I'm being kind) finding all the bloody options that I don't want
and change them or turn them off or whatever. 


Sorry, I simply can't understand what are you talking about:


 suppose I don't *want* my file manager integrated with my
browser (didn't want it in Windows, don't want it now).  


Where's the problem? I use Firefox as a browser and Konqueror as a file 
manager.



I don't *want*
to figure out how to tell KMix not to override my Alsa mixer settings,


Disable it. Do not install it.


and I don't want to have to decide whether I want drive icons but not
application icons (or no icons at all) on my desktop, and then tell KDE
my decision. 


I can't even understand what do you mean here. If you don't want icons, 
don't put them on the desktop. It's that simple. You have to do 
*nothing* to avoid icons on your desktop!



I don't want to name my desktops, or put a separate
wallpaper on each one. 


Nor I want, nor KDE ever forced me to do it.


I have no interest in going through 6 tabs to
specify Window Behaviour (I'm looking at the KDE Control Center right
now). 


Ok, that's a good point. However that 6 tabs are more probably than not 
a wrapper to a plain text config file, that you can configure with your 
favourite editor all at once.



And I certainly don't care to be bothered with the problem of how
to make KDE play nice with my GTK apps (I do have some GTK 1 apps, which
are much more problematic than GTK 2 apps in this respect) simply
because I might happen to want to use some program whose name doesn't
bloody start with "K".


What do you mean by "play nice"? I use a lot of GTK apps (both 1 and 2) 
and they work perfectly fine here without any fuss.



I have several K-apps installed that
I actually don't want, because the K-app I do use (Krusader) won't open
files from within an archive using GTK apps like eye of gnome or Open
Office. karc can't pass the file to these apps but it works fine
with KView or KWord. Because K apps like other K apps. That makes
perfect sense, since it's all supposed to be an integrated environment,
but to me it feels like a prison.


I understand what you mean here, that's something that I hate too. It's 
because other apps don't understand kioslaves.
I think kioslaves are the best thing after sliced bread. Typing simply 
"smb:/" to access a Samba share, or "ftp:/" for accessing transparently 
FTP filesystems, or "zip:/" for what's in a compressed archive is 
wonderful. I think other apps should work on compatibility about this. 
It's simply a good idea.



But I simply don't like DEs. If I'm going to spend time fine-tuning my
desktop, I want exactly what I want, exactly the way I like it, not "as
close to how I like it as the DE supports". That's why I use
"build-it-yourself" WMs like OB3 and FVWM.


I can't see why a WM can be more "exactly what you want" than a DE.


Each to his own taste, and if your taste is KDE, then more power to you.
I accept that it's very good for what it is. I just don't happen to like
what it is.


Oh, this is clear :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[b.n.]

The bottom line on GUIs is ease of use.  The tradeoff is flexibility
and options.  


I have NEVER, EVER understood why dumbing down things means making them 
easy to use. That's a line of reasoning that gets me mad.

Look, the "Advanced" tab/dialog/whatever is not exactly a new invention.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How To Set NIC? (Was: Rx Errors on NIC)

[Drew Tomlinson]

On 1/19/2006 11:37 PM Rumen Yotov said the following:


On (19/01/06 18:15), Drew Tomlinson wrote:
 


On 12/29/2005 3:33 PM Drew Tomlinson wrote:

   

I have a AMD Athlon 2800+ processor running on a Asus A7N8X Deluxe 
motherboard.  This motherboard uses the Nvidia NForce2 chipset.  It 
has both an Nvidia and a 3Com 100 mbps network adapter integrated.


Initially I used the Nvidia network adapter but noticed a lot of Rx 
errors.  The "errors" and the "frame errors" matched exactly.  I did 
the standard testing to try and isolate the problem.  I tried known 
working patch cables and known working hub ports.  Then when the 
errors persisted, I even moved the box to a known working cable run.  
The errors remained.


So I figured that the actual port on the motherboard must be bad.  I 
recompiled my kernel with 3Com networking support and began using the 
3Com port but I am still getting errors.  Here's my current 'ifconfig' 
output:


eth2  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:26:54:0C:60:8D  inet 
addr:192.168.1.6  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0

   UP BROADCAST NOTRAILERS RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
   RX packets:131785 errors:481 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:760
   TX packets:168955 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
   RX bytes:27189676 (25.9 Mb)  TX bytes:169280962 (161.4 Mb)
   Interrupt:18 Base address:0xb000

The errors have changed a little in that now the "frame errors" exceed 
the "errors".  How can that be?  I must not understand the output.  
Anyway, I'm starting to think I may have some configuration issues as 
I find it hard to believe that both ports are bad.  I'm a Gentoo 
newbie and started with kernel 2.11.  I've upgraded once to 2.13-r5 
which is where I'm at now.  I have not changed any networking 
parameter from their defaults as far as I recall.  Any ideas on what 
might be going on?
 

I'm still having this issue.  A networking guy told me that framing 
errors can typically come when the two ends of the connection (card and 
switch) are not set to the same parameters such as half-duplex vs. 
full-duplex.  He suggested I try forcing both ends to be the same and 
see if the errors go away.


However this is just a cheap 8 port TrendNet switch that doesn't have 
any management capability.  Thus I thought I'd try forcing the NIC to 
one way or the other and see if the errors are resolved.  I've Googled 
for information on how to (a) find out the current setting and (b) 
change the setting but have been unsuccessful.  Can any one point me in 
the right direction?


Thanks,

Drew
   


Hi,
For setting up NICs check: mii-diag or better ethtool (both are in portage).
Read the corresponding  man pages for needed options.
HTH.Rumen
 


Thank you.  I installed ethtool.  The output of concern is this:

tv mythtv # ethtool -S eth1
NIC statistics:
tx_deferred: 0
tx_multiple_collisions: 0
rx_bad_ssd: 47853

Does rx_bad_ssd mean "framing errors"?  I Googled on the term and only 
came up with a bunch of ethtool patches.


Here's some other output if that helps anyone know why I might be 
getting framing errors:


tv mythtv # ethtool eth1
Settings for eth1:
   Supported ports: [ TP MII ]
   Supported link modes:   10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
   100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
   Supports auto-negotiation: Yes
   Advertised link modes:  10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
   100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
   Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
   Speed: 100Mb/s
   Duplex: Full
   Port: MII
   PHYAD: 2
   Transceiver: internal
   Auto-negotiation: on
   Current message level: 0x0001 (1)
   Link detected: yes

tv mythtv # ethtool -i eth1
driver: 3c59x
version: LK1.1.19
firmware-version:
bus-info: :02:01.0

Thanks,

Drew




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Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package

[Paul Varner]

On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 23:29 +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> Can you tell us what qpkg and etcat are deprecated, Paul? Is it because
> of a lack of a maintainer or is there something fundamentally wrong with
> them?

In the case of qpkg, there are several un-fixable bugs. 
In the case of etcat, its code was superceded by the equery code.

Regards,
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Re: [gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:14:01 +0100 Paweł Madej <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| for me it is used to make vim modular X compatible.

Wha? No no no. If that flag is off, vim won't go anywhere near X. If
that flag is on, vim will link against either modular or non-modular X.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Blocking weirdness

[kashani]

Michael Sullivan wrote:

Calculating world dependencies ...done!
[blocks B ] dev-lang/php (is blocking dev-php/php-4.4.0-r4)
[ebuild  N] dev-php/php-4.4.0-r4  +X +berkdb +crypt +curl -debug
+doc -fdftk -firebird -flash -freetds +gd -gd-external +gdbm +gmp
-hardenedphp +imap -informix -ipv6 +java +jpeg +kerberos +ldap -mcal
-memlimit -mssql +mysql +ncurses +nls -oci8 -odbc +pam +png -postgres
+readline -snmp +spell +ssl +tiff +truetype +xml2 -yaz 0 kB
[ebuild  N] dev-php/PEAR-DB-1.7.6  121 kB

Total size of downloads: 121 kB

How can I get rid of this block?  Is there any danger in masking < PHP5?



echo "dev-php/PEAR-DB ~x86" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords

Just about anything PEAR based is going to need a ~x86 or it'll attempt 
to pull dev-php/php4 in as a dep. At least that's been my experience 
over the last weeks installing all the groundwork for a major php app.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Blocking weirdness

[Michael Sullivan]

On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 08:40 +0100, Heinz Sporn wrote:
> Am Freitag, den 20.01.2006, 00:46 -0600 schrieb Michael Sullivan:
> > What do you make of this?
> > 
> > bullet ~ # emerge -pvuD world
> > 
> 
> The new Gentoo-way to go for PHP is to use dev-lang/php. There's a nice
> documentation on how to upgrade here
> http://svn.gnqs.org/projects/gentoo-php-overlay/file/docs/php-upgrading.html?format=raw
> 
> That worked for me.
> 
> > These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
> > 
> > Calculating world dependencies ...done!
> > [blocks B ] dev-php/mod_php (is blocking dev-lang/php-5.0.5-r5)
> > [blocks B ] dev-php/php (is blocking dev-lang/php-5.0.5-r5)
> > [blocks B ] dev-php/mod_php (is blocking dev-php/PEAR-PEAR-1.3.6-r4)
> > [blocks B ] dev-php/php (is blocking dev-php/PEAR-PEAR-1.3.6-r4)
> > [ebuild  N] dev-php/mod_php-4.4.0-r9  +X +apache2 +berkdb +crypt
> > +curl -debug +doc -fdftk -firebird -flash -freetds +gd -gd-external
> > +gdbm +gmp -hardenedphp +imap -informix -ipv6 +java +jpeg +kerberos
> > +ldap -mcal -memlimit -mssql +mysql +nls -oci8 -odbc +pam +png -postgres
> > -snmp +spell +ssl +tiff +truetype +xml2 -yaz 0 kB
> > [ebuild  N] dev-php/php-4.4.0-r4  +X +berkdb +crypt +curl -debug
> > +doc -fdftk -firebird -flash -freetds +gd -gd-external +gdbm +gmp
> > -hardenedphp +imap -informix -ipv6 +java +jpeg +kerberos +ldap -mcal
> > -memlimit -mssql +mysql +ncurses +nls -oci8 -odbc +pam +png -postgres
> > +readline -snmp +spell +ssl +tiff +truetype +xml2 -yaz 0 kB
> > [ebuild  N] dev-lang/php-5.0.5-r5  -adabas -apache +apache2 -bcmath
> > +berkdb -birdstep +bzip2 -calendar -cdb -cgi -cjk -cli +crypt -ctype
> > +curl -curlwrappers -db2 -dba -dbase -dbmaker -debug -discard-path +doc
> > -empress -empress-bcs -esoob -exif -fdftk -filepro -firebird -flatfile
> > -force-cgi-redirect -frontbase -ftp +gd -gd-external +gdbm +gmp
> > -hardenedphp -hyperwave-api -iconv +imap -informix -inifile -interbase
> > -iodbc -ipv6 -java-external +kerberos +ldap -libedit -mcve -memlimit
> > +mhash +ming -mnogosearch -msql -mssql +mysql -mysqli +ncurses +nls
> > -oci8 -oci8-instant-client -odbc -oracle7 -ovrimos -pcntl +pcre
> > -pdo-external -pear -pfpro -pic -posix -postgres -qdbm +readline +recode
> > -sapdb +sasl -session -sharedext -sharedmem -simplexml -snmp -soap
> > -sockets -solid +spell -spl -sqlite +ssl -sybase -sybase-ct -sysvipc
> > +threads -tidy +tiff -tokenizer +truetype -wddx +xml -xmlrpc -xpm -xsl
> > -yaz -zip +zlib 4,797 kB
> > [ebuild  N] dev-php/PEAR-PEAR-1.3.6-r4  150 kB
> > 
> > Total size of downloads: 4,948 kB
> > bullet ~ # emerge -pC dev-php/mod_php dev-php/php
> > 
> > >>> These are the packages that I would unmerge:
> > 
> > --- Couldn't find dev-php/mod_php to unmerge.
> > 
> > --- Couldn't find dev-php/php to unmerge.
> > 
> > >>> unmerge: No packages selected for removal.
> > 
> > As you can see, dev-php/mod_php and dev-php/php are blocking new
> > packages from being emerged, yet they are not installed.  Is there a way
> > for me to unblock the new packages?
> > 


OK.  I've succeeded in installing PHP5, but now PHP4 is blocking:

bullet ~ # emerge -pvuD world

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating world dependencies ...done!
[blocks B ] dev-lang/php (is blocking dev-php/php-4.4.0-r4)
[ebuild  N] dev-php/php-4.4.0-r4  +X +berkdb +crypt +curl -debug
+doc -fdftk -firebird -flash -freetds +gd -gd-external +gdbm +gmp
-hardenedphp +imap -informix -ipv6 +java +jpeg +kerberos +ldap -mcal
-memlimit -mssql +mysql +ncurses +nls -oci8 -odbc +pam +png -postgres
+readline -snmp +spell +ssl +tiff +truetype +xml2 -yaz 0 kB
[ebuild  N] dev-php/PEAR-DB-1.7.6  121 kB

Total size of downloads: 121 kB

How can I get rid of this block?  Is there any danger in masking < PHP5?

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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Holly Bostick]

Abhay Kedia schreef:
> On Friday 20 January 2006 19:59, Holly Bostick wrote:
>> more comfortable with a more Windows-like environment, and 
>> Windows-like assumptions about what a user wants/needs from their 
>> desktop, KDE may be just the thing; that is, after all, what it's 
>> designed to do to a great extent.
> That statement is extremely unfair to KDE. Every DE needs to make at 
> least some assumptions to present a working environment for the user
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
That may be true, but it assumes that I want a "Desktop Environment" in
the first place, which I don't, particularly.

As I said, after finding even GNOME too heavy, I switched to Openbox 3,
which basically presents *no* working environment, and now use
fvwm-crystal, which presents a relatively minimal one, certainly by
comparison to KDE.

You may see it as "unfair" (like I care; KDE has no feelings, and I was
actually being positive about it, given that I don't much like DEs in
general and KDE in particular), but the very concept of a Desktop
Environment is very similar to the Windows design of the OS being
indistinguishable from the GUI (or rather the OS functions being as
concealable within the GUI as possible), so I'm not quite sure why that's
so terrible to say.

> and KDE is not alone in doing that. The quality comes in when the DE 
> not only makes some choices for you but also gives you an easy access
> to editing/changing those features. As far as I can see, you can edit
> every choice that KDE has made for you with minimal fuss.

I myself don't see it as "minimal fuss", not least because KDE makes so
many choices for me in its "feature richness" that I have to spend two
hours (I'm being kind) finding all the bloody options that I don't want
and change them or turn them off or whatever. And of course this has its
limits; suppose I don't *want* my file manager integrated with my
browser (didn't want it in Windows, don't want it now).  I don't *want*
to figure out how to tell KMix not to override my Alsa mixer settings,
and I don't want to have to decide whether I want drive icons but not
application icons (or no icons at all) on my desktop, and then tell KDE
my decision. I don't want to name my desktops, or put a separate
wallpaper on each one. I have no interest in going through 6 tabs to
specify Window Behaviour (I'm looking at the KDE Control Center right
now). And I certainly don't care to be bothered with the problem of how
to make KDE play nice with my GTK apps (I do have some GTK 1 apps, which
are much more problematic than GTK 2 apps in this respect) simply
because I might happen to want to use some program whose name doesn't
bloody start with "K".

You can say that I don't "have to" do any of this, or change any of the
settings, but if I don't, then I'm stuck with KDE's sane defaults, and
in that case then all these settings that I *could* change (but don't
bother to) become "bloat" -- features I don't need, since
I'm not going to use them. If I don't like KDE's default choices, then
I have to fix them, within the parameters that KDE allows me, which is
no longer "minimal fuss". Certainly not minimal fuss when I want to use
non "k" apps for certain functions that KDE would "prefer" that I use
their provided applications for... I have several K-apps installed that
I actually don't want, because the K-app I do use (Krusader) won't open
files from within an archive using GTK apps like eye of gnome or Open
Office. karc can't pass the file to these apps but it works fine
with KView or KWord. Because K apps like other K apps. That makes
perfect sense, since it's all supposed to be an integrated environment,
but to me it feels like a prison.

> If that is being Windows-like, then you can not be more wrong.

Insofar as Windows doesn't allow you to "customize" as much as KDE does,
you're right. But in the idea that you give the user everything up to
and including the kitchen sink by default unless the user themselves
whittles the list down (within limits), then no, I'm not all that wrong.

But I simply don't like DEs. If I'm going to spend time fine-tuning my
desktop, I want exactly what I want, exactly the way I like it, not "as
close to how I like it as the DE supports". That's why I use
"build-it-yourself" WMs like OB3 and FVWM.

Each to his own taste, and if your taste is KDE, then more power to you.
I accept that it's very good for what it is. I just don't happen to like
what it is.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Philip Webb]

060121 Alan E. Davis wrote:
> But one glaring deficiency keeps hitting me in the face
> -- you can't do links with them.

AFAIK Krusader can create links quite readily: look at its manual.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Saturday 21 January 2006 00:44, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> On 1/21/06, Mike Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > even go back to Afterstep or Enlightenment, but for now kde-3.5 works
> > for me.
>
> May I ask others' experiences with e17?  I just wasted my holiday
> installing e17 on two of three machines.  It is smaller than Kde, but
> background is 20% of cpu .  Buggy.  Beautiful.  A PITA to configure,
> and menus suck. I don't think I'll be there long.   I liked
> enlightenment .16 except I guess I really do need icons to remind me
> of what I've got on the system, and good menus.

that was exactly how I felt. All the problems to get it installed, and than it 
was such a bad thing to configure&use, that I deinstalled it some days later. 
I used earlier enlightenment incarnations as my main desktop for some time, 
back, when KDE 2.X was dead slow, but when KDE 3 came out, enlightenment lost 
its appeal. 

> KDE is ugly IMHO: I blew that windows-like pop stand years ago.
> However, for some reason KDE developers in some, but NOT ALL cases,
> seem to wind up with a more polished package.  Compare Kalzium and
> gperiodic.

if it is ugly, install some themes you like ;)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How many people use KDE?

[Philip Webb]

060120 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:51:40 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
>> I use the rather cute Apwal (in Portage) tied to the left mouse-button
>> to get a pretty display of icons to start common apps,
> Apwal looks rather neat. How did you tie it to the LMB in KDE?

KDE Control Centre -> Desktop -> Behaviour -> General tab ->
  mouse-button actions -> Left button -> Custom menu 1 -> edit
  
I assume I entered 'apwal', tho' it says 'Xterm' in the box now.
I have  ~/.kde/share/config/kdesktop_custom_menu1 ,
which has the single line 'Item1=apwal', so you could simply create it.
Since installing Apwal, I've updated KDE 3.4.1 -> 3.5 ,
which may affect what is shown as default in the 'edit' box.
Apwal info is in  /usr/share/doc/apwal... .

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Re: [gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x

[Lithion]

emerge app-portage/euses. This is a great app for searching for USE flag 
descriptions.

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:00 am, Tom Smith wrote:
> I've been trying to determine what this particular USE flag does but
> there doesn't seem to be a description of it anywhere (I also checked
> gentoo-portage.com).
>
> Does anyone know what this USE flag does or what additional
> functionality it enables in vim?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
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Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package

[Robert Crawford]

On Friday 20 January 2006 14:29, Paul Varner wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 19:15 +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:30:57 -0500, Robert Crawford wrote:
> > > I too like qpkg more than equery, at least for what I usually need to
> > > do. My solution is just to put a copy of qpkg and ecat in /usr/bin, and
> > > make a backup copy somewhere for when it's no longer available (in
> > > gentoolkit, or a new gentoo install).
> >
> > Put it in /usr/local/bin, if you emerge portage-utils, you'll overwrite
> > the copy in /usr/bin. Once in /usr/local/bin, it's safe from anything,
> > even if it's removed from gentoolkit.
>
> As the current maintainer of gentoolkit, please do what Neil said and
> place it in /usr/local/bin and not /usr/bin
>
> Regards,
> Paul

Neil and Paul- thanks much for the tip!  
Will correct it right away.

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Re: [gentoo-user] trouble with CUPS

[Statux]

I, personally, refuse to use CUPS because I can't get it to do raw
text-only printing (ala my Oki Microline 320 Turbo). I use LPRng
instead :/

Anyone with different results?

On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 23:27 +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:52:39 +, b.n. wrote:
> 
> > > And can somebody explain the need to use http to set
> > > up a printer on one's own computer?  Afterall PC
> > > *does* mean personal computer. I'm assuming that
> > > localhost:631 is on my own machine. But even so it
> > > seems a bit much.
> > 
> > Because you have the same interface to set up a printer on your, your 
> > neighbours' and your 10.000-km-away pen pal.
> 
> And you automatically get GUI and console configuration programs, thanks
> to links etc. CUPS has to be network-aware, so why not use that for
> configuration?
> 
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Alan E. Davis]

On 1/21/06, Mike Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> even go back to Afterstep or Enlightenment, but for now kde-3.5 works
> for me.
>

May I ask others' experiences with e17?  I just wasted my holiday
installing e17 on two of three machines.  It is smaller than Kde, but
background is 20% of cpu .  Buggy.  Beautiful.  A PITA to configure,
and menus suck. I don't think I'll be there long.   I liked
enlightenment .16 except I guess I really do need icons to remind me
of what I've got on the system, and good menus.

I still haven't decided to dump e17 for real, but in looking back, I
did note how heavy KDE 3.5 is.  Gnome: my employers already treat me
like a child; I need options and flexibility.

KDE is ugly IMHO: I blew that windows-like pop stand years ago. 
However, for some reason KDE developers in some, but NOT ALL cases,
seem to wind up with a more polished package.  Compare Kalzium and
gperiodic.

On really good days, I fire up fluxbox or a console.

The bottom line on GUIs is ease of use.  The tradeoff is flexibility
and options.  Nautilus works nicely, and for the first time I am using
a GUI file manager for large scale reorganization of my filesystems. 
But one glaring deficiency keeps hitting me in the face---you can't do
links with them.  Noone has figured out how to make links user
friendly?  It's too complicated for the end user?  So using a graphic
user interface on a Unix-like system has led GNU/Linux back toward the
idiot proof pseudo operating system: like MS-DOG being an idiotproofed
unix-like system.

Comments after having recently installed a bunch of GUI setups.

Alan

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kppp and two different accounts

[Neil Bothwick]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:09:01 -0600, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:

> find  -name '*' -exec fgrep -l  \{\} \;
> 
> This search all files for the search phrase.

Using find with a separate call to grep for each seems a slow way to do
things. What's wrong with fgrep -r ?

fgrep -lr 'search phrase' directory


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Re: [gentoo-user] python: stack smashing attack

[Ryan Viljoen]

> info outputhowever you are using distcc.  So, are all of your
> distcc hosts using the same version of gcc, or are any of them
> "hardened"?

I had a similar problem with distcc. Not a stack smashing attack
though. Distcc should not be used to  emerge any core packages such as
python, portage, gcc etc. The compilation of python went wrong and
hence rendered my system useless. I ended up having to reinstall
unfortunately since my emerge was broke even typing emerge threw up
errors.

So let this serve as a warning to those thinking of using distcc. Make
sure your compilers are the same and that you are not emerging
critical packages.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package

[Neil Bothwick]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:29:12 -0600, Paul Varner wrote:

> As the current maintainer of gentoolkit, please do what Neil said and
> place it in /usr/local/bin and not /usr/bin

Can you tell us what qpkg and etcat are deprecated, Paul? Is it because
of a lack of a maintainer or is there something fundamentally wrong with
them?


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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Christoph Eckert]

> I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular.

I wanna know how interesting such a discussion is ;-))) .

Please resist to develop a flame war from this topic. Better enjoy open 
source, regardless if it is KDE, Gnome, OSS, ALSA, OpenOffice.org or 
Koffice etc., simply enjoy the times we are allowed to live in.


Best regards


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Re: [gentoo-user] trouble with CUPS

[Neil Bothwick]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:52:39 +, b.n. wrote:

> > And can somebody explain the need to use http to set
> > up a printer on one's own computer?  Afterall PC
> > *does* mean personal computer. I'm assuming that
> > localhost:631 is on my own machine. But even so it
> > seems a bit much.
> 
> Because you have the same interface to set up a printer on your, your 
> neighbours' and your 10.000-km-away pen pal.

And you automatically get GUI and console configuration programs, thanks
to links etc. CUPS has to be network-aware, so why not use that for
configuration?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How many people use KDE?

[Neil Bothwick]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:51:40 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:

> One can & I do configure KDE to be simple & unobtrusive: the panel is
> hidden & has no app start-buttons & (of course) there are no desktop
> icons. I use the rather cute Apwal (in Portage) tied to the left
> mouse-button to get a pretty display of icons to start common apps,

Apwal looks rather neat. How did you tie it to the LMB in KDE?


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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Mike Owen]

On 1/20/06, Linux Java <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular.
>
>

I used Gnome for years (5 or 6 maybe?), but have recently switched to
kde-3.4 and then now kde-3.5. For me, I wanted to try something
different, and it is a nice change. I may swap back eventually, or
even go back to Afterstep or Enlightenment, but for now kde-3.5 works
for me.

Mike

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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Alexander Kirillov]

and better integrated with other open source projects out there.


That is not a quality of Gnome but GTK. Gnome uses GTK while KDE uses QT. 
Since (earlier) QT had a non-acceptable license for most of the developers of 
FLOSS, they chose GTK over QT. This lead to more and more applications being 
written with the toolkit, hence their better integration with Gnome.


I've been thinking about xscreensaver and mozilla:)

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Re: [gentoo-user] python: stack smashing attack

[Richard Fish]

On 1/20/06, El Nino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear my friends,
>
> i just try to issue '#emerge -e world' but it stoped by giving
> following error... please help me to solve this problem.

There are a few bug reports of "stack smashing" problems on
bugs.gentoo.org, most seem to be related to using hardended profiles. 
Strange, I don't see gcc-hardened or a hardened profile in your emerge
info outputhowever you are using distcc.  So, are all of your
distcc hosts using the same version of gcc, or are any of them
"hardened"?

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] iptables question

[Dmitry S. Makovey]

On Friday 20 January 2006 13:49, Trenton Adams wrote:
> Under the *nat rule,
>
> -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 58443 -j DNAT --to
> 192.168.7.1:443
>
> Under the *filter rules.
>
> -A ADAMS-FW-INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp
> --dport 443 -j ACCEPT

I tried similar combination as well to no avail. :(

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[gentoo-user] pptpconfig... missing config option?

[Justin Hart]

Hi,

I am running pptpconfig to connect to my school VPN.  After it
"updates" resolv.conf, I see that I have no nameserver entries
whatsoever!

Ack!

Are there config lines that are supposed to be in my peer file to
specify my nameservers?
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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE? [OT]

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Friday 20 January 2006 22:02, Abhay Kedia wrote:
> On Friday 20 January 2006 15:01, darren kirby wrote:
> > Unscientific:
> > Google for:
> > "kde rules" --> 40,900
> > "kde sucks" --> 9,660
> > "gnome rules" --> 554
> > "gnome sucks" --> 10,500
> >
> > Draw your own conclusions.
>
> ..or we could always use googlefight ;)
> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=kde&word2=gnome


which gives five different results on five tries. Four times KDE in front of 
gnome. one time gnome 2x the results of kde or gnome in the previous fights.

Seems to be flawed.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: getting rid of gnome

[Ernie Schroder]

On Friday 20 January 2006 11:46, a tiny voice compelled Ryan Tandy to write:

> A quick glance at my profile reveals the 'gstreamer' USE flag in
> make.defaults.  Be sure that you have that explicitly disabled in
> make.conf before giving up.

You know, I never checked that, although I found the same thing with esd which 
I did disable. I might play a bit more soon, but I want to keep xscreensaver 
so I'm going to be stuck with at least libglade. Many thanks to all that have 
offered advice.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE? [OT]

[Abhay Kedia]

On Friday 20 January 2006 15:01, darren kirby wrote:
>
> Unscientific:
> Google for:
> "kde rules" --> 40,900
> "kde sucks" --> 9,660
> "gnome rules" --> 554
> "gnome sucks" --> 10,500
>
> Draw your own conclusions.
..or we could always use googlefight ;)
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=kde&word2=gnome

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables question

[Dmitry S. Makovey]

On Friday 20 January 2006 13:41, James wrote:
> #for unlimited traffic on the loopback interface
> iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT
> iptables -A OUTPUT -o lo -j ACCEPT

since I've done my "flushing" all my rules are nice and permissive ;)

dimon2 ~ # iptables -t filter -L
Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination

Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination

Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination
dimon2 ~ # iptables -t nat -L
Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination

Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination

Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination

So I doubt I need specific rules for "lo" or any other device except 
for NAT rules to redirect my traffic.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Abhay Kedia]

On Friday 20 January 2006 21:08, Alexander Kirillov wrote:
>
> and better integrated with other open source projects out there.
>
That is not a quality of Gnome but GTK. Gnome uses GTK while KDE uses QT. 
Since (earlier) QT had a non-acceptable license for most of the developers of 
FLOSS, they chose GTK over QT. This lead to more and more applications being 
written with the toolkit, hence their better integration with Gnome.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Abhay Kedia]

On Friday 20 January 2006 19:59, Holly Bostick wrote:
> more comfortable with a more Windows-like environment, and Windows-like
> assumptions about what a user wants/needs from their desktop, KDE may be
> just the thing; that is, after all, what it's designed to do to a great
> extent.
That statement is extremely unfair to KDE. Every DE needs to make at least 
some assumptions to present a working environment for the user and KDE is not 
alone in doing that. The quality comes in when the DE not only makes some 
choices for you but also gives you an easy access to editing/changing those 
features. As far as I can see, you can edit every choice that KDE has made 
for you with minimal fuss. If that is being Windows-like, then you can not be 
more wrong.

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Re: [gentoo-user] iptables question

[Trenton Adams]

Under the *nat rule,

-A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 58443 -j DNAT --to 192.168.7.1:443

Under the *filter rules.

-A ADAMS-FW-INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport
443 -j ACCEPT


On 1/20/06, Dmitry S. Makovey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> somewhat offtopic, but since I need any help I can get:
>
> how do I redirect trafic from outward facing interface
> (192.168.1.114:80) to loopback device (127.0.0.1:80) ?
>
> my most obvious trick:
> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.1.114 --dport 80 \
> -j DNAT --to 127.0.0.1:80
> and
> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> didn't help. Machine which is opening connection is hanging there
> indefinitely...
>
> what did I miss?
>
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>
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[gentoo-user] Re: iptables question

[James]

Dmitry S. Makovey  athabascau.ca> writes:

> somewhat offtopic, but since I need any help I can get:

> how do I redirect trafic from outward facing interface 
> (192.168.1.114:80) to loopback device (127.0.0.1:80) ?

> my most obvious trick:
> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.1.114 --dport 80 \
>   -j DNAT --to 127.0.0.1:80
> and 
> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> didn't help. Machine which is opening connection is hanging there 
> indefinitely...

> what did I miss?


Well, let me start off by saying that I'm still learning the
details of iptables.

An excellent book has been recommended and I can confirm it is wonderful:
"Linux Firewalls Third Edition" 2005. by Steve Suehring and Robert L. Ziegler.
Novell press.

There are many examples covering forwarding, port redirection, dmz's and
proxies. It's hard to tell exactly what you are doing, or what you want to do.

>From the book: Enabling the loopback Interface page 111
"
Local services rely on the loop back network interface. After the system boots,
the systems's default policy is to accept all packets. Flushing any pre existing
chains has no effect. However, if the firewall is being reinitialized and had
previously used a deny-by-default policy, the drop policy would still be in
effect. Without any acceptance firewall rules, the loopback interface would
still be inaccessible. Because the loopback interface is a local, internal
interface, the firewall can allow loopback traffic immediately:

#for unlimited traffic on the loopback interface
iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT
iptables -A OUTPUT -o lo -j ACCEPT
"

Granted this is related to an example in the book, but hopefully it helps.
If you get frustrated, send me private email, maybe I can help. I will try.
Some folks on the list do not believe that direct control of iptables is
wise. I desent. Knowledge of iptables is of extreme value, but difficult 
to master. I'd like to see many example of iptable for 2.6 kernels published.
Updated material on iptables + 2.6 kernels, is scarcely available on the net.

hth,
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Re: [gentoo-user] trouble with CUPS

[b.n.]

And can somebody explain the need to use http to set
up a printer on one's own computer?  Afterall PC
*does* mean personal computer. I'm assuming that
localhost:631 is on my own machine. But even so it
seems a bit much.


Because you have the same interface to set up a printer on your, your 
neighbours' and your 10.000-km-away pen pal. Can you explain me the need 
to not use http for your own config and using it for external configs, 
while you can have a single configuration app?


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[gentoo-user] iptables question

[Dmitry S. Makovey]

somewhat offtopic, but since I need any help I can get:

how do I redirect trafic from outward facing interface 
(192.168.1.114:80) to loopback device (127.0.0.1:80) ?

my most obvious trick:
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.1.114 --dport 80 \
-j DNAT --to 127.0.0.1:80
and 
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
didn't help. Machine which is opening connection is hanging there 
indefinitely...

what did I miss?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kppp and two different accounts

[Dale]

On Friday 20 January 2006 05:38, Dale wrote:
> find  -name '*' -exec fgrep -l  \{\} \;


Good call.  The only one in my home directory is kppprc and mozilla's email 
stuff.  I renamed kppprc and set up a new one, it still sends the wrong info.  
It does the same on all users: dale, dale2 and my new user test.  Weird.

It did find the ones in /etc/ppp and I had deleted those earlier too.  It 
still sends the wrong one though.  It sends the wrong one in wvdial too.  It 
even does this when I use pon, from the ppp package, to connect with.

I also tried this this morning.  I tried changing in the fields in Kppp.  Just 
to check it, I took off the @exceedtech.net part and it still would send 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]net like always.  It seems ppp or something ignores what 
I put in the Kppp fields.  What's up with this?

It came back fine in /var.  Since it does this for all users, would it not 
make sense that this is in a root file somewhere?  I am checking the /root 
directory too.  I looked earlier and didn't see a thing.  It didn't see 
anything either.

Any more Ideas?  Is this a Kppp bug maybe?  It does the same thing in KDE 3.4 
too.  This worked about a year ago in KDE 3.4.  I did this before.  Something 
has changed somewhere.  I have no clue what though.

Thanks

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[El Nino]

AybOwan!

i'm too using KDE. it's nice... colorfull world...

On 1/21/06, Hemmann, Volker Armin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 20 January 2006 15:37, Michael Sullivan wrote:
>
> >
> > My wife and I use GNOME.  KDE is too Windows-like for us.  I can't stand
> > Windows XP.  I think it's the most annoying OS I've ever attempted to
> > use...
>
> gnome is much more windows like than KDE.
>
> With KDE you have lots and lots of options to configure the desktop to your
> liking. This is not possible with gnome (it could confuse the users, say the
> gnome devs). Something gnome has in common with windows.
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[gentoo-user] python: stack smashing attack

[El Nino]

Dear my friends,

i just try to issue '#emerge -e world' but it stoped by giving
following error... please help me to solve this problem.

#emerge info
Gentoo Base System version 1.12.0_pre14
Portage 2.1_pre3-r1 (default-linux/x86/2005.0, gcc-3.4.5,
glibc-2.3.6-r2, 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 i686)
=
System uname: 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 i686 Pentium III (Coppermine)
dev-lang/python: 2.3.4-r1, 2.4.2
sys-apps/sandbox:1.2.17
sys-devel/autoconf:  2.13, 2.59-r7
sys-devel/automake:  1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r1
sys-devel/binutils:  2.16.1-r1
sys-devel/libtool:   1.5.22
virtual/os-headers:  2.6.11-r3
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86 ~x86"
AUTOCLEAN="yes"
CBUILD="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-march=pentium3 -O3 -pipe"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/kde/2/share/config /usr/kde/3.4/env
/usr/kde/3.4/share/config /usr/kde/3.4/shutdown /usr/kde/3.5/env
/usr/kde/3.5/share/config /usr/kde/3.5/shutdown
/usr/kde/3/share/config /usr/lib/X11/xkb /usr/share/config /var/bind
/var/qmail/alias /var/qmail/control /var/vpopmail/domains
/var/vpopmail/etc"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/gconf /etc/splash /etc/terminfo /etc/env.d"
CXXFLAGS="-march=pentium3 -O3 -pipe"
DISTDIR="/home/storage/public/gentoo/distfiles"
FEATURES="autoconfig candy ccache distcc distlocks sandbox sfperms
strict userpriv usersandbox"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://distfiles.gentoo.org
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/gentoo";
LINGUAS="si en"
MAKEOPTS="-j2"
PKGDIR="/packages"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
SYNC="rsync://134.68.220.97/gentoo-portage"
USE="x86 16bit X a52 aac aalib acl acpi activefilter aliaschain alsa
apache2 apm asf async audiofile avi bash-completion berkdb
bitmap-fonts bl bluetooth bmp browserplugin bzip2 cdparanoia cdr
chroot cjk cnamefix crypt css cups curl customlog dbus dga dhcp
directfb divx4linux dlloader dpms dts dv dvb edl eds emboss encode
exif expat extraengine fam fame fax fb fbcon fbdev ffmpeg firefox flac
flash foomaticdb fortran fpx gd gdbm ggi gif gimp glut gmail gmp
gnutls gpgme gphoto2 gpm graphviz gstreamer gtk gtk2 gtkhtml hal hpn
id3 idn ieee1394 imagemagick imap imlib ipalias irda java javascript
jbig jikes jpeg jpeg2 jpeg2k justify kde kdgraphics kerberos lame lcd
lcms ldap libcaca libclamav libg++ libwww lirc logmail logrotate lzo
mad maildir mailwrapper md5sum mhash mikmod mime ming mjpeg mmap mmx
mng mono motif mozcalendar mozdevelop mozilla mozsvg mp3 mp4live mpeg
mpeg2 mpi mplayer multipleip musepack musicbrainz mysql nas ncurses
network nfs nis nls nntp nptl nptlonly nsplugin oav odbc ogg oggvorbis
openal openexr opengl oss pam pam_chroot pam_console pcre pdflib perl
player png pop ppds python qmail qt quicktime quotas readline real
roundrobin rtc samba scanner sdl shorten slang smime smp smtp sndfile
socks5 spamassassin speex spell spf sqlite sse sse-filters ssl
stencil-buffer svg svga swat sysfs syslog tcltk tcpd tetex tga theora
threads tiff tools truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts ucs2 udev
underscores unicode usb utf8 v4l v4l2 vcd vhosts vidix vorbis
win32codecs winbind wmf xanim xine xml xml2 xmms xprint xv xvid xvmc
zeroconf zlib elibc_glibc kernel_linux linguas_si linguas_en
userland_GNU video_cards_ati"
Unset:  ASFLAGS, CTARGET, LANG, LC_ALL, LDFLAGS, PORTDIR_OVERLAY




#emerge -e world
.

..
>>> checksums files   ;-) files/debianutils-2.14.1-no-bs-namespace.patch
>>> checksums src_uri ;-) debianutils_2.15.tar.gz
>>> emerge (109 of 908) sys-apps/portage-2.1_pre3-r1 to /
>>> Previously fetched file: portage-2.1_pre3.tar.bz2 size ;-)
>>> Previously fetched file: portage-2.1_pre3.tar.bz2 MD5 ;-)
>>> checksums files   ;-) portage-2.0.53.ebuild
>>> checksums files   ;-) portage-2.1_pre3-r1.ebuild
python: stack smashing attack in function sha_done()
Aborted


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Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package

[Paul Varner]

On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 19:15 +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:30:57 -0500, Robert Crawford wrote:
> 
> > I too like qpkg more than equery, at least for what I usually need to
> > do. My solution is just to put a copy of qpkg and ecat in /usr/bin, and
> > make a backup copy somewhere for when it's no longer available (in
> > gentoolkit, or a new gentoo install).
> 
> Put it in /usr/local/bin, if you emerge portage-utils, you'll overwrite
> the copy in /usr/bin. Once in /usr/local/bin, it's safe from anything,
> even if it's removed from gentoolkit.

As the current maintainer of gentoolkit, please do what Neil said and
place it in /usr/local/bin and not /usr/bin

Regards,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Java SDK 1.5

[Zac Medico]

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> I was already reading the faq when i received your anser :)
> 
> It seems this can be done, but not without certain risks.

It's pretty safe if you keep blackdown-jdk-1.4 as the system vm (for building 
packages) and use java-config to set sun-jdk-1.5 as the user vm.  The faq 
explains how to do it.

Zac
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Re: [gentoo-user] trouble with CUPS

[Jean Magnan de Bornier]

Le 20 janvier à 17:55:17 maxim wexler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> écrit notamment:

| And can somebody explain the need to use http to set
| up a printer on one's own computer?  Afterall PC
| *does* mean personal computer. I'm assuming that
| localhost:631 is on my own machine. But even so it
| seems a bit much.

Well, at least one advantage of the web interface at localhost:631 is that
you have documentation there, including doc on how to configure and use
cups at the command line, which - I agree - is often more agreable and
robust than the web interface.

I believe you will solve your problem this way - afraid I have no clues on
it now.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package

[Neil Bothwick]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:30:57 -0500, Robert Crawford wrote:

> I too like qpkg more than equery, at least for what I usually need to
> do. My solution is just to put a copy of qpkg and ecat in /usr/bin, and
> make a backup copy somewhere for when it's no longer available (in
> gentoolkit, or a new gentoo install).

Put it in /usr/local/bin, if you emerge portage-utils, you'll overwrite
the copy in /usr/bin. Once in /usr/local/bin, it's safe from anything,
even if it's removed from gentoolkit.


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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Friday 20 January 2006 15:37, Michael Sullivan wrote:

>
> My wife and I use GNOME.  KDE is too Windows-like for us.  I can't stand
> Windows XP.  I think it's the most annoying OS I've ever attempted to
> use...

gnome is much more windows like than KDE.

With KDE you have lots and lots of options to configure the desktop to your 
liking. This is not possible with gnome (it could confuse the users, say the 
gnome devs). Something gnome has in common with windows.
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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Friday 20 January 2006 13:00, Paul wrote:
> my findings with KDE is that its bloadware
> if I wanted bloat , I'd run windows
>
>

KDE is not bloated, it is feature complete, fully integrated (while gnome is a 
collection  of third party applications) and while gnome takes away choices, 
KDE enables you to configure your desktop in ways you can hardly imagine.

Oh, and do you know that KDE is completly scriptable (?) - I meamn, you can 
administer KDE completly with scripts.
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Re: [gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x

[Rumen Yotov]

On (20/01/06 10:49), Tom Smith wrote:
> Rumen Yotov wrote:
> 
> >On (20/01/06 10:00), Tom Smith wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>I've been trying to determine what this particular USE flag does but
> >>there doesn't seem to be a description of it anywhere (I also checked
> >>gentoo-portage.com).
> >>
> >>Does anyone know what this USE flag does or what additional
> >>functionality it enables in vim?
> >>
> >>Thanks in advance for your help.
> >>-- 
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >Hi,
> >Two ways (i know) to see the USE-flag descriptions.
> >1.Run :#euse -i opengl ('euse' is part of app-portage/gentoolkit).
> >2.Use"#grep USE-flag-name /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc (or use.local.desc)
> >use.desc - global USE flags, use.local.desc - for flags loxcal for a package.
> >PS: IIRC there was some third alternative but can't remember right now.
> >HTH.Rumen
> >  
> >
> The first place I always look for USE flag descriptions is in
> /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc--this particular flag isn't listed.
> 
> On your suggestion, I tried
> 
> euse -i vim
> 
> but that didn't return /any/ USE flag descriptions.
> 
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> 
Hi,
For me it returns: (# euse -i vim)
global use flags (searching: vim)

no matching entries found

local use flags (searching: vim)

[-] vim (dev-util/global):
vim funny stuff for global
...END...
So "dev-util/global" has a "vim" USE flag.
Only one local USE flags for 'vim'
Next (# euse -i vim-with-x):
...BEGIN...
global use flags (searching: vim-with-x)

no matching entries found

local use flags (searching: vim-with-x)

[-] vim-with-x (app-editors/vim):
Link console vim against X11 libraries to enable title and clipboard features 
in xterm
...END...
HTH.Rumen


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Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package

[Robert Crawford]

On Friday 20 January 2006 04:31, Catalin Grigoroscuta wrote:
> Dale wrote:
> > Catalin Grigoroscuta wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Thanks a lot for the replies, I managed to get qpkg working.
> >>
> >> However, it's very interesting that I asked for a way to achieve the
> >> functionality of a deprecated tool with the current tools.
> >> Everybody explained to me how to obtain the deprecated tool, yet
> >> nobody answered to "how to do this with the new tools".
> >> So, what is the reason for qpkg is deprecated, after all?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Catalin
> >
> > I wonder the same thing about etcat.  It's gone and I have no clue how
> > to find out what versions of ppp are available.  The new equery makes no
> > sense to me.  I have used it a couple times but I can not figure out how
> > to get it to tell me what all versions are in portage for ppp.  I would
> > like to try ether a masked version or a older version, if I knew what
> > they were.
>
> This is an easy one :)
> equery l -p -o -i ppp
>
> > I wonder how long equery will last?  I figure about the time I learn to
> > use it a bit, it will be gone too.  This has been a bad week.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > :-)

I too like qpkg more than equery, at least for what I usually need to do. My 
solution is just to put a copy of qpkg and ecat in /usr/bin, and make a 
backup copy somewhere for when it's no longer available (in gentoolkit, or a 
new gentoo install). 
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Re: [gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x

[Holly Bostick]

Tom Smith schreef:
> Rumen Yotov wrote:
>>> 
>> Hi, Two ways (i know) to see the USE-flag descriptions. 1.Run 
>> :#euse -i opengl ('euse' is part of app-portage/gentoolkit). 
>> 2.Use"#grep USE-flag-name /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc (or 
>> use.local.desc) use.desc - global USE flags, use.local.desc - for 
>> flags loxcal for a package. PS: IIRC there was some third 
>> alternative but can't remember right now. HTH.Rumen
>> 
>> 
> The first place I always look for USE flag descriptions is in 
> /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc--this particular flag isn't listed.

That's because it isn't a global USE flag, like "gnome"; it's a "local"
USE flag, which applies to vim only.

Local USE flags are described in /usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc.

Myself, I use an alias to search useflags:

(in ~/.bashrc)

alias useflag='grep /usr/portage/profiles/use.*desc -e'

This searches both use.desc and use.local.desc for whatever I type after
the command "useflag"

so:

motub -> useflag vim-with-x
/usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc:app-editors/vim:vim-with-x - Link
console vim against X11 libraries to enable title and clipboard features
in xterm

Great for when I've done an emerge -uaDtNv world, and don't know what
thus and so new USE flag does.

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package

[Eddie Mihalow Jr]

Dale wrote:

Catalin Grigoroscuta wrote:


This is an easy one :)
equery l -p -o -i ppp




Thanks.  It wasn't quite what etcat does but it is a start.  I got the
info I needed anyway.  Now to go put my nose in the manual for a bit. 


Dale
:-)
I know its not from the command line but porthole is a very good portage 
viewer.


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Re: [gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x

[Neil Bothwick]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:49:36 -0700, Tom Smith wrote:

> The first place I always look for USE flag descriptions is in
> /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc--this particular flag isn't listed.

Try usr/portage/profiles/use.*

I have this in my bash profile

alias useflag='grep --color -i /usr/portage/profiles/use.*desc -e'

$ useflag vim-with
/usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc:app-editors/vim:vim-with-x - Link console 
vim against X11 libraries to enable title and clipboard features in xterm


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Re: [gentoo-user] Java SDK 1.5

[Rafael Barrera Oro]

I was already reading the faq when i received your anser :)

It seems this can be done, but not without certain risks.

Thanks for the info

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> >> available soon through portage?
> >
> > It is available now, but you have to unmask it.  If you do, you should
> > rebuild all java packages on your system, or you may run into trouble.
> >
>
> It's probably a good idea to read the faq:  
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/java/tiger-faq.xml
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] Java SDK 1.5

[Zac Medico]

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Richard Fish wrote:
> On 1/20/06, Rafael Barrera Oro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Does anyone know if Java SDK 1.5 (blackdown, sun, anyone) will be
>> available soon through portage?
> 
> It is available now, but you have to unmask it.  If you do, you should
> rebuild all java packages on your system, or you may run into trouble.
> 

It's probably a good idea to read the faq:  
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/java/tiger-faq.xml

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Re: Re: [gentoo-user] SATA Hardware vs Software RAID

[brettholcomb]

Based on your post to my other thread I've been looking at the drives you 
mentioned.  What do you know about the WD Caviar drives?  They are cheaper than 
the Raptors.

> 
> From: Bill Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/01/20 Fri AM 09:52:01 EST
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] SATA Hardware vs Software RAID
> 
> 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Java SDK 1.5

[Richard Fish]

On 1/20/06, Rafael Barrera Oro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know if Java SDK 1.5 (blackdown, sun, anyone) will be
> available soon through portage?

It is available now, but you have to unmask it.  If you do, you should
rebuild all java packages on your system, or you may run into trouble.

-Richard

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[gentoo-user] prioritise outbound emails

[El Nino]

Dear friends,

would anyone know how to prioritise outbound emails based on
size/priority etc for sendmail/qmail/postfix ./?

for an example,
A rule that says
   schedule all emails larger than 2 MB to be sent duting 6-8pm

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Re: [gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x

[Tom Smith]

Rumen Yotov wrote:

>On (20/01/06 10:00), Tom Smith wrote:
>  
>
>>I've been trying to determine what this particular USE flag does but
>>there doesn't seem to be a description of it anywhere (I also checked
>>gentoo-portage.com).
>>
>>Does anyone know what this USE flag does or what additional
>>functionality it enables in vim?
>>
>>Thanks in advance for your help.
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>>
>>
>>
>Hi,
>Two ways (i know) to see the USE-flag descriptions.
>1.Run :#euse -i opengl ('euse' is part of app-portage/gentoolkit).
>2.Use"#grep USE-flag-name /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc (or use.local.desc)
>use.desc - global USE flags, use.local.desc - for flags loxcal for a package.
>PS: IIRC there was some third alternative but can't remember right now.
>HTH.Rumen
>  
>
The first place I always look for USE flag descriptions is in
/usr/portage/profiles/use.desc--this particular flag isn't listed.

On your suggestion, I tried

euse -i vim

but that didn't return /any/ USE flag descriptions.

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Re: [gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x

[Richard Sammet]

take a look at: /usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc

app-editors/vim:vim-with-x - Link console vim against X11 libraries to enable 
title and clipboard features in xterm


br
richard

Tom Smith wrote:
 > I've been trying to determine what this particular USE flag does but

there doesn't seem to be a description of it anywhere (I also checked
gentoo-portage.com).

Does anyone know what this USE flag does or what additional
functionality it enables in vim?

Thanks in advance for your help.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Packages list

[Phil Sexton]

Michael A Smith wrote:

Phil Sexton wrote:


Felipe Ribeiro wrote:


Where do I find the list with all installed packages?

Cheers,

Felipe




The ones you emerged are listed in the file:

/var/lib/portage/world

Want it in alphabetical order?

cat /var/lib/portage/world|less



Isn't that a superfluous use of cat? Why not

less /var/lib/portage/world

-Mike


Oops! I was actually thinking:

sort /var/lib/portage/world|less

This gives the listing in alphabetical order, what I previously 
posted doesn't alphabetize it.


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[gentoo-user] Java SDK 1.5

[Rafael Barrera Oro]

Does anyone know if Java SDK 1.5 (blackdown, sun, anyone) will be
available soon through portage?

I am having troubles with the Java Web Start (applications are
downloaded but no executed) and i am blaming the 1.4 release.

Thanks in advance

Rafael

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Re: [gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x

[Rumen Yotov]

On (20/01/06 10:00), Tom Smith wrote:
> I've been trying to determine what this particular USE flag does but
> there doesn't seem to be a description of it anywhere (I also checked
> gentoo-portage.com).
> 
> Does anyone know what this USE flag does or what additional
> functionality it enables in vim?
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help.
> -- 
> gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
> 
Hi,
Two ways (i know) to see the USE-flag descriptions.
1.Run :#euse -i opengl ('euse' is part of app-portage/gentoolkit).
2.Use"#grep USE-flag-name /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc (or use.local.desc)
use.desc - global USE flags, use.local.desc - for flags loxcal for a package.
PS: IIRC there was some third alternative but can't remember right now.
HTH.Rumen


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Re: [gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x

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Tom Smith wrote:
> I've been trying to determine what this particular USE flag does but
> there doesn't seem to be a description of it anywhere (I also checked
> gentoo-portage.com).
> 
> Does anyone know what this USE flag does or what additional
> functionality it enables in vim?
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help.
from the vim.eclass:

 if [[ "${MY_PN}" == "vim" ]] ; then
IUSE="${IUSE} vim-with-x minimal"
# see bug #111979 for modular X deps
DEPEND="${DEPEND} vim-with-x? ( || (
( x11-libs/libXt x11-libs/libX11 x11-libs/libSM
x11-proto/xproto )
virtual/x11 ) )"
RDEPEND="${RDEPEND} vim-with-x? ( || ( x11-libs/libXt
virtual/x11 ) )"

for me it is used to make vim modular X compatible.

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[gentoo-user] OT - How to stop spamassassin marking mail from gentoo-user (and other mailing lists) as spam

[Michael Sullivan]

I set up spamassassin the other day.  I've added a few of my own rules,
targeted at the specific spam we usually get here.  I've set up procmail
to filter mail spamassassin has marked to a special spam filter to be
later reviewed for legitimacy.  I've added '140.105.134.' to the
trusted_networks variable at the top of /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf,
yet gentoo-user posts coming in to my network sometimes go to my Inbox
and sometimes to my Spam folder.  How do I get it to leave my Gentoo
mail alone?

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[gentoo-user] Re: OT - How to stop spamassassin marking mail from gentoo-user (and other mailing lists) as spam

[Michael Sullivan]

On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 11:09 -0600, Michael Sullivan wrote:
> I set up spamassassin the other day.  I've added a few of my own rules,
> targeted at the specific spam we usually get here.  I've set up procmail
> to filter mail spamassassin has marked to a special spam filter to be
> later reviewed for legitimacy.  I've added '140.105.134.' to the
> trusted_networks variable at the top of /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf,
> yet gentoo-user posts coming in to my network sometimes go to my Inbox
> and sometimes to my Spam folder.  How do I get it to leave my Gentoo
> mail alone?

I guess I'm a little slow today.  Let me answer my own question.  I can
put a rule in local.cf for gentoo-user and give it a negative score...

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[gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x

[Tom Smith]

I've been trying to determine what this particular USE flag does but
there doesn't seem to be a description of it anywhere (I also checked
gentoo-portage.com).

Does anyone know what this USE flag does or what additional
functionality it enables in vim?

Thanks in advance for your help.
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[gentoo-user] trouble with CUPS

[maxim wexler]

Hello everybody,

According to the Gentoo Printing Guide -> Installing
the Printer, I'm to go to http://localhost:631  and
then click on "Administration". Well, there's "Do
Administrative Tasks", so I clicked on that. The guide
says to "enter root login and password" into the box
but the box only asks for username. Whatever, I tried
them both. All that happens is that the a new blank
box opens and asks me to enter the info again and so
on and so on. 

Yes, cups is emerged and cupsd is started.

Anybody else encountered this? 

An attempt at printing returned this error to the log:
...
I [20/Jan/2006:08:18:28 -0700] Listening to 0:631
I [20/Jan/2006:08:18:28 -0700] Loaded configuration
file "/etc/cups/cupsd.conf"
I [20/Jan/2006:08:18:28 -0700] Configured for up to
100 clients.
I [20/Jan/2006:08:18:28 -0700] Allowing up to 100
client connections per host.
I [20/Jan/2006:08:18:28 -0700] Full reload is
required.
I [20/Jan/2006:08:18:28 -0700] LoadPPDs: Read
"/etc/cups/ppds.dat", 13 PPDs...
I [20/Jan/2006:08:18:28 -0700] LoadPPDs: No new or
changed PPDs...
I [20/Jan/2006:08:18:28 -0700] Full reload complete.
E [20/Jan/2006:08:18:28 -0700] StartListening: Unable
to find IP address for ser
ver name "sarawak" - Host name lookup failure
(END) 

The server name I just made up cause the Gentoo
install docs suggested I have one. Do I actually have
to call it "localhost" in order for printing to work?!

According to cupsd.conf HostNameLookups defaults to
'off'.

Am I a victim of anti-dialup discrimination? :-( Oh,
the humanity!

And can somebody explain the need to use http to set
up a printer on one's own computer?  Afterall PC
*does* mean personal computer. I'm assuming that
localhost:631 is on my own machine. But even so it
seems a bit much.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How many people use KDE?

[Philip Webb]

060120 Linux Java wrote:
> I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular.

This gets asked regularly in one form or another
& the proper answer is that Gentoo gives you a real choice, so who cares ?

KDE got a bad reputation a few years ago, partly due to bloat & sloth
& originally because Qt was not free software (hence others started Gnome).
Neither of these is true anymore: the KDE devs have put a lot of work
into consulting users & making their product quick & flexible.
I was surprised to find that 3.5 shuts down in a few seconds
despite my  10  desktops + similar number of running apps to remember
& it restarts everything quickly enough at the start of the next session.
One can & I do configure KDE to be simple & unobtrusive: the panel is hidden
& has no app start-buttons & (of course) there are no desktop icons.
I use the rather cute Apwal (in Portage) tied to the left mouse-button
to get a pretty display of icons to start common apps,
which means I don't need the KDE menu that much (it is easy to edit).
It's best to install just those pkgs you need (eg I don't install Kmail).

I used Xfce for a while, but its devs seemed to be reinventing the wheel,
& Blackbox briefly, but it is only marginally maintained,
& I do have Fluxbox installed in case KDE fails (it never has).
I once looked at Gnome long ago, saw that it forced me to place its panel
across the top of the screen (ugh!) & have never looked at it again ...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: getting rid of gnome

[Ryan Tandy]

Ernie Schroder wrote:

On Thursday 19 January 2006 12:39, a tiny voice compelled Neil Bothwick to 
write:
 


On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:30:52 -0500, Ernie Schroder wrote:
   


Calculating world dependencies ...done!
[nomerge  ] media-plugins/gst-plugins-alsa-0.8.10
[nomerge  ]  media-libs/gst-plugins-0.8.10  +alsa -debug +esd +oss
[ebuild  N]   gnome-base/gconf-2.10.1-r1  -debug -doc -static 0 kB
[ebuild  N]gnome-base/orbit-2.12.3  -debug -doc +ssl -static 0
kB [nomerge  ] x11-misc/xscreensaver-4.23  -gnome -insecure-savers
+jpeg -kerberos -krb4 -new-login +nls -offensive +opengl +pam -xinerama
[ebuild  N]  gnome-base/libglade-2.5.1  -debug -doc 0 kB

Could this be a result of firefox-bin and openoffice-bin being built
with gnome support? How would portage know that? I don't understand the
gst-plugins connection either.
 


gst-plugins depends on gconf, xscreensaver depends on libglade. These are
unconditional dependencies, nothing to do with USE flags. The only way to
get rid of the dependencies is the get rid of the dependent packages.

GNOME libraries are not only used by GNOME, so you'll find them on most
desktop systems.
   




Yeah, Thanks Neil. After some more playing, it had become pretty clear that 
xscreensaver was calling for libglade. I want to keep that. I had tried 
removing the gst-plugins and gstreamer, but an emerge -uaDntv wanted to bring 
them all back. I've more or less resigned myself to the fact that I'm stuck 
with a few gnome packages.
 

A quick glance at my profile reveals the 'gstreamer' USE flag in 
make.defaults.  Be sure that you have that explicitly disabled in 
make.conf before giving up.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Ryan Viljoen]

> my findings with KDE is that its bloadware
> if I wanted bloat , I'd run windows
>
> Gnome-lite is just that , light
>
>
> It serves my purposes fine and the menus are easy to edit to my liking.

Ah! What gnome-lite is for gnome is what kdebase is for KDE.

emerge kdebase doesnt install all the rest of the crap. All it gives
you is the base KDE environment with your preinstalled programs such
as xine, mplayer, Eterm, Ajunta, The Gimp, gThumb et al works really
nicely.

Otherwise I whole heartedly agree that emerge gnome-lite is much
better then emerge KDE (full complete).

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[gentoo-user] Re: How many people use KDE?

[James]

Linux Java  gmail.com> writes:


> I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular.


Well Hello Linux-Java,

I'll attempt to give you some non-subjective reasons
for KDE. Let me start out by saying, depending on what
you are doing and what are your key applications, Gnome
might be good for you. It's an excellent body of work.

However, hear are some of the reasons I like KDE, not that
all of these ideas are exclusive to KDE:

QT. As an engineer involved in embeddded product development,
nothing is close to being as cool as QT. QT is a corner stone
of KDE, so when I have to drill down into the morass of details
concerning display graphics, icons, etc, KDE's affinity for QT
is similar, only much more complex, than many of the graphical
technologies installed on embedded systems.

I believe that the future of GUIs will necessitate that one's
desktop environment be at least a cousin to the embedded devices
one is responsible for building and managing. QT's future looks bright.

JAVA: Unlike many linux folks, I believe that JAVA has a primary role
in the future of GUIs, applications, and many other aspects
of computing. I like the integration of KDE/QT/JAVA that the 
kde camps sees and continues to enhance, for example:
http://developer.kde.org/language-bindings/java/

Again, I'm not saying you cannot find these equivalents in Gnome, but
KDE fits my needs keenly. The real kicker is that KDE 4.0 is
suppose to be fantastic.

HTH,

James



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Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Mozilla: Bug or problem with MY system

[Michael Sullivan]

On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 15:35 +, Michael Kjorling wrote:
> On 2006-01-20 09:03 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin: symbol lookup
> > error: /usr/lib/mozilla/components/libgfx_gtk.so: undefined symbol:
> > pango_x_font_map_for_display
> > mozilla-bin exited with non-zero status (127)
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $
> 
> Have you tried a revdep-rebuild (comes in gentoolkit)?
> 

Yeah.  It repaired evolution-webcal and gaim, but that was it.  I'm
currently running it again, just in case...

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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Alexander Kirillov]

I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular.


Linus recommends you use KDE.

http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000390.html


I've been using KDE for years but switched to Gnome recently.
Though I'm still using Kate. It's a matter of taste. Try them both.
You'll probably find KDE more flexible and Gnome more responsive
and better integrated with other open source projects out there.

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Mozilla: Bug or problem with MY system

[Michael Kjorling]

On 2006-01-20 09:03 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin: symbol lookup
> error: /usr/lib/mozilla/components/libgfx_gtk.so: undefined symbol:
> pango_x_font_map_for_display
> mozilla-bin exited with non-zero status (127)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $

Have you tried a revdep-rebuild (comes in gentoolkit)?

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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Shawn Singh]

My wife and I use KDE. I, mainly because I don't see the point in
having multiple GUIs (they're not that facinating to me (other than to
get into the source code), but for my wife, I find that for someone
coming from using Windows, it seems that out of the box, KDE seems to
have a stronger appeal to her than Gnome. Although, the environment she
really took to was XFCE (though it's not a choice in this discussion).

In looking at Holly's post, I'm inclined to agree. Being that most of
the stuff I do (besides surf the net), but things like programming,
moving files, your general admin stuff, configuration changes, etc I
(like most of us here --probably) do from a command-line.

My selling point for the command-line is I don't have to learn any new menus to use it ;), but to each his own.

ShawnOn 1/20/06, Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Neil Bothwick schreef:> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:10:13 +0800, Linux Java wrote:>>> I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular.>> Why? Use whatever suits you.>I hope that you all appreciate my extreme restraint in not posting to
this thread until now, given how very much I dislike KDE.But for the record, just so that all you KDE-heads don't skew theresults com*plete*ly:I always (from my first attempts at Linux some 3 years ago) preferred
GNOME to KDE. Never liked Nautilus, though (it's tied for second on mylist of "most hated file managers"), and since I've never been fond ofdesktop icons and all that cr... junk... I still found it too heavy. So I
switched to Openbox 3 (with a GTK "backend"), and now I use fvwm-crystal(with a GTK "backend"). Gnome-light is (always) installed, but I don'tuse it as a desktop.I have only two KDE-specific applications that I would not do without
(both compiled -kde and -arts to the greatest extent possible): Krusader(though this needs Konq and some other KDE utils for best usage, as itrecognizes KDE apps much much better than GTK apps for viewing files and
the like), and K3b. These apps require kdebase, so I've got that, butthe day you see me logging into KDE, you can rest assured that either:1) my system is so seriously broke that it's the only DE/WM I can get
into (which is pretty unlikely. I mean, I've got iceWM and *afterstep*on the system, for Pete's sake; the day that doesn't work but KDE doeswill be... "The" day);or2) I have been replaced by an alien clone (shoot first, ask questions
later).I prefer to use GTK-based applications wherever possible because I findthem more attractive in general, and I'm more used to them (as a GNOMEuser originally), unless they're junk, like Totem, in which case I use
"non-affiliated" programs like Xine or mPlayer. Yes, I know Totem can beconfigured to use a Xine backend. Imo, there's no point; if that's theonly way Totem works, I might as well just use Xine. Plus I want to see
when gStreamer gets its act together. However I have no objection toQT-based apps (as opposed to KDE apps) when necessary. It does need tobe "necessary", though (meaning, if I need it, I'll install qdvdauthor,
because there's no GTK alternative that I know of, but I can just aswell use the CLI original, unless the GUI version has some additionalfeature or makes it easier to understand than the CLI version's man page).
So anyway, Neil is of course right: use what you want; it's *your*desktop (finally!). I don't need a whole lot of GUI features (in fact Idislike a whole lot of GUI features), so KDE is not for me, the one who
never liked Windows(-like) desktops, even when I was using Windows; Iused an alternative shell from my Win98 days on. But for those who feelmore comfortable with a more Windows-like environment, and Windows-like
assumptions about what a user wants/needs from their desktop, KDE may bejust the thing; that is, after all, what it's designed to do to a greatextent.You can have it, though. I'll be elsewhere.
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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Neil Bothwick]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:37:47 -0600, Michael Sullivan wrote:

> My wife and I use GNOME.  KDE is too Windows-like for us.

I always thought Windows was rather KDE-like in some ways, but that's
probably because I used KDE before windows.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing KDE...Again....

[Michael A. Smith]

3.5 is still keyworded, iirc. If you remove kde from 
/etc/packages.keyword, it should install 3.4.3. This command will 
insert a "#" before each kde line. (It also makes a backup).


sed -i.bak s/kde-/\#\ kde-/ /etc/portage/package.keywords

KDE is slotted, and I'm not sure what happens when you 
re-keyword-mask something slotted that you've emerged, but it will 
probably try to unmerge 3.5 -- That's what you want, right?


You might also consider putting kde-base/arts into 
/etc/portage/package.mask . Not sure what that'll break, but it might 
Just Work (TM).


Peace,
Mike

Ian wrote:

Hey everyone.
Here is my situation. Its a rather long one:
I want to get kde 3.4.3 without arts. At all.
I am hoping to go USE="-arts +alsa" emerge =kde-3.4.3

That seems easy, but it isn't.
I already have 3.4.1 installed. As well as 3.5.0.
I think I used the split ebuild thing (grrr) which involved using a 
loop-style

bash script to put a lot into /etc/portage/package.keywords for 3.4.1.

I think I just used emerge kde to get 3.5.

What I want, is to end up with kde 3.4.3 (only) installed, without arts.
I would first like to unmerge both 3.5 and 3.4.1, but as I used the split
ebuilds Im not sure how

Any and all help would be very much appreciated.
Also, Please dont try and convince me to just use GNOME or *box or 
something.

I love KDE and I hate arts. :)

I did a search for kde stuff (emerge search kde) and it seemed kinna weird.
I wont post it as it is huge. Unless, of course you want to see it.
Thanks a lot!
Cheers,
Ian



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Re: [gentoo-user] Kppp and two different accounts

[Anthony E. Caudel]

Dale wrote:


> Can someone tell me where in the world this is stored?  This is nuts.  I
> couldn't change ISPs even if I wanted to since it works this way.  I
> would have to reinstall looks like.  That sounds like winders.
> 
Try:

find  -name '*' -exec fgrep -l  \{\} \;

This search all files for the search phrase.

I would search /etc, /var, and /home first using your password as the
search phrase.  If no go, then vary the directories and search phrase.

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[gentoo-user] OT - Mozilla: Bug or problem with MY system

[Michael Sullivan]

I upgraded to mozilla-1.7.12-r2 last night.  Now when I try to start
mozilla, I get this:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ mozilla
No running windows found
Type Manifest File: /usr/lib/mozilla/components/xpti.dat
nsNativeComponentLoader: autoregistering begins.
nsNativeComponentLoader: autoregistering succeeded
nNCL: registering deferred (0)
GFX: dpi=96 t2p=0.067 p2t=15 depth=16
++WEBSHELL == 1
++DOMWINDOW == 1
LoadPlugin() 
/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so 
returned 80d95b0
GetMIMEDescription() returned "application/x-java-vm::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.1::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.1::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.2::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.3::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.2::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.1::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.2::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.3::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.3.1::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.4::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.1::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.2::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_01::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_02::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_03::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_04::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_05::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_06::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_07::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_08::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_09::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_10::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.1::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.1::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.2::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.3::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.2::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.1::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.2::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.3::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.3.1::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.4::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.1::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.2::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_01::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_02::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_03::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_04::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_05::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_06::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_07::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_08::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_09::Java(tm)
Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_10::Java(tm) Plug-in"
LoadPlugin() /opt/netscape/plugins/libflashplayer.so returned 81c3450
GetMIMEDescription() returned
"application/x-shockwave-flash:swf:Shockwave
Flash;application/futuresplash:spl:FutureSplash Player"
LoadPlugin() /opt/netscape/plugins/nphelix.so returned 81af9f0
GetMIMEDescription() returned
"audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin:rpm:RealPlayer Plugin Metafile;"For
application/x-java-vm found
plugin /opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so
LoadPlugin() 
/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so 
returned 80d95b0
++WEBSHELL == 2
++DOMWINDOW == 2
Note: styleverifytree is disabled
Note: frameverifytree is disabled
WARNING: freetype not compiled in, file nsFT2FontNode.cpp, line 52
Note: verifyreflow is disabled
++WEBSHELL == 3
++DOMWINDOW == 3
/usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin: symbol lookup
error: /usr/lib/mozilla/components/libgfx_gtk.so: undefined symbol:
pango_x_font_map_for_display
mozilla-bin exited with non-zero status (127)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $


I need to know if this is something I need to report to bugs.gentoo.org,
or if it's something I can fix locally; If I can fix it locally, how do
I do it?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Packages list

[Michael A. Smith]

Phil Sexton wrote:

Felipe Ribeiro wrote:


Where do I find the list with all installed packages?

Cheers,

Felipe



The ones you emerged are listed in the file:

/var/lib/portage/world

Want it in alphabetical order?

cat /var/lib/portage/world|less



Isn't that a superfluous use of cat? Why not

less /var/lib/portage/world

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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware Testing a PC

[John Jolet]

On Jan 20, 2006, at 8:47 AM, Midnight Toker wrote:


Neil,

Thank you, looks like this could be the thing i'm looking for.

Midnightoker.



me, too, just hadn't gotten around to asking :)


On 20 Jan 2006, at 09:26, Neil Bothwick wrote:


On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:55:23 +, Midnight Toker wrote:


I'm wondering if anyone can recommend software which will put a "PC"
through a full series of tests, including CPU, RAM, HDD... just
generally thrash a machine so I know the hardware is good.


Try searching Freshmeat for "stress test", there are several  
programs to
put network, CPU, I/O etc. through their paces. There's also  
StressLinux,

a live CD containing a number of these programs.


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Re: [gentoo-user] problems removing a package

[Michael Sullivan]

On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 08:47 -0500, Nick Smith wrote:
> Ive been trying to install horde and it keeps saying:
> 
> [blocks B ] dev-lang/php (is blocking dev-php/mod_php-4.4.0-r9)
> [blocks B ] dev-lang/php (is blocking dev-php/php-4.4.0-r4)
> 
> when i try to remove it i get:
> 
> mail ~ # emerge unmerge dev-lang/php
> 
> --- Couldn't find dev-lang/php to unmerge.
> 
> >>> unmerge: No packages selected for removal.
> 
> so its like the package isnt in stalled but emerge thinks it is. what
> else can i do to get horde installed and get php removed?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Nick
> 

Welcome to the club.  Refer to last night's thread "Blocking weirdness".
There is a link there for upgrading PHP which is supposed to fix this,
however I'm waiting on revdep-rebuild to finish so that I can open
mozilla before I can try it...

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Re: [gentoo-user] SATA Hardware vs Software RAID

[Bill Roberts]

O 13:33 Thu 19 Jan , Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
> I'm moving from SCSI to SATA and was wondering if anyone has any experience 
> with the speed of software RAID vs hardware RAID.  I'm currently using 
> hardware RAID.
> 
I've have two Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB 10,000 RPM 8MB Cache
Serial ATA150, set up in a software RAID0.

My hdparm gives me:

/dev/md0:
 Timing cached reads:   2776 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1387.91 MB/sec
 Timing buffered disk reads:  398 MB in  3.00 seconds = 132.48 MB/sec
 
For redundancy I use backups to a Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 ST3300831AS
300GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive.

Blazing speed with the raptors, lower speed, lower cost for the backups.

Good luck.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware Testing a PC

[Midnight Toker]

Neil,

Thank you, looks like this could be the thing i'm looking for.

Midnightoker.

On 20 Jan 2006, at 09:26, Neil Bothwick wrote:


On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:55:23 +, Midnight Toker wrote:


I'm wondering if anyone can recommend software which will put a "PC"
through a full series of tests, including CPU, RAM, HDD... just
generally thrash a machine so I know the hardware is good.


Try searching Freshmeat for "stress test", there are several  
programs to
put network, CPU, I/O etc. through their paces. There's also  
StressLinux,

a live CD containing a number of these programs.


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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Kristian Poul Herkild]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:17:43 -0700, Richard Fish wrote
> Linus recommends you use KDE.
> 
> http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000390.html
> 
> -Richard
> 
> -- 
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Yup, and that's because he can't do what _he_ wants to. His complaints have
been acknowledged to some extent. I agree with him in his criticism, but I
still prefer Gnome. I lack the more advanced options, but the rest of Gnome is
still to my liking.

Personally I still believe using the DE which is best for you, is the best
choice you can make. Be it Gnome, XFCE, EDE, KDE or whatever ;)

The best DE would probably be a combination. Based on the IDs of mail
applications used in gentoo-user I think KDE is the most used DE. 55% KDE vs.
35% Gnome seems realistic to me.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Michael Sullivan]

On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 04:11 -0600, Dale wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
> 
> >On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:10:13 +0800, Linux Java wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Why? Use whatever suits you.
> >
> >If you want to use the most popular desktop, you probably need WinXP :)
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> Which really sucks by the way.  LOL  It's worse than Gnome. 
> 
> Dale
> :-)

My wife and I use GNOME.  KDE is too Windows-like for us.  I can't stand
Windows XP.  I think it's the most annoying OS I've ever attempted to
use...

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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?

[Holly Bostick]

Neil Bothwick schreef:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:10:13 +0800, Linux Java wrote:
> 
>> I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular.
> 
> Why? Use whatever suits you.
> 

I hope that you all appreciate my extreme restraint in not posting to
this thread until now, given how very much I dislike KDE.

But for the record, just so that all you KDE-heads don't skew the
results com*plete*ly:

I always (from my first attempts at Linux some 3 years ago) preferred
GNOME to KDE. Never liked Nautilus, though (it's tied for second on my
list of "most hated file managers"), and since I've never been fond of
desktop icons and all that cr... junk... I still found it too heavy. So I
switched to Openbox 3 (with a GTK "backend"), and now I use fvwm-crystal
(with a GTK "backend"). Gnome-light is (always) installed, but I don't
use it as a desktop.

I have only two KDE-specific applications that I would not do without
(both compiled -kde and -arts to the greatest extent possible): Krusader
(though this needs Konq and some other KDE utils for best usage, as it
recognizes KDE apps much much better than GTK apps for viewing files and
the like), and K3b. These apps require kdebase, so I've got that, but
the day you see me logging into KDE, you can rest assured that either:

1) my system is so seriously broke that it's the only DE/WM I can get
into (which is pretty unlikely. I mean, I've got iceWM and *afterstep*
on the system, for Pete's sake; the day that doesn't work but KDE does
will be... "The" day);

or

2) I have been replaced by an alien clone (shoot first, ask questions
later).

I prefer to use GTK-based applications wherever possible because I find
them more attractive in general, and I'm more used to them (as a GNOME
user originally), unless they're junk, like Totem, in which case I use
"non-affiliated" programs like Xine or mPlayer. Yes, I know Totem can be
configured to use a Xine backend. Imo, there's no point; if that's the
only way Totem works, I might as well just use Xine. Plus I want to see
when gStreamer gets its act together. However I have no objection to
QT-based apps (as opposed to KDE apps) when necessary. It does need to
be "necessary", though (meaning, if I need it, I'll install qdvdauthor,
because there's no GTK alternative that I know of, but I can just as
well use the CLI original, unless the GUI version has some additional
feature or makes it easier to understand than the CLI version's man page).

So anyway, Neil is of course right: use what you want; it's *your*
desktop (finally!). I don't need a whole lot of GUI features (in fact I
dislike a whole lot of GUI features), so KDE is not for me, the one who
never liked Windows(-like) desktops, even when I was using Windows; I
used an alternative shell from my Win98 days on. But for those who feel
more comfortable with a more Windows-like environment, and Windows-like
assumptions about what a user wants/needs from their desktop, KDE may be
just the thing; that is, after all, what it's designed to do to a great
extent.

You can have it, though. I'll be elsewhere.

Holly


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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing KDE...Again....

[Ian]

Thanks for the help!I want to get rid of 3.5 because of incompatabilities with my mouse (through ksynaptics)and themes. Ill probably install it again when 3.5.1 is out or something. :)Ian
On 1/20/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 1/19/06, Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> What I want, is to end up with kde 3.4.3 (only) installed, without arts.>  I would first like to unmerge both 3.5 and 
3.4.1, but as I used the split>  ebuilds Im not sure howHow about:cd /var/db/pkgfor x in kde-base/*-3.5*; doemerge --unmerge $xdoneThat will get the main packages.  Then you can do:
equery belongs `find /usr/kde/3.5 -type f | head -n 1`emerge --unmerge The above will find one non-KDE (by which I mean not part of the KDE3.5 release) and unmerge it.  Repeat the above commands until no more
files remain in /usr/kde/3.5.  You may want to keep a list of thesepackages to re-merge with kde 3.4.For the 3.4.1 KDE, don't worry about it, as the 3.4.3 packages willoverwrite them.  You cannot have both 
3.4.1 and 3.4.3 installed at thesame time.BTW, why do want to do this?  Why not just keep 3.5?-Richard--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
-- Cheers,Ian