Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo on the Sales block?
On Thursday 17 January 2008, James wrote: > I only ask because Sun just paid > a billion dollars for MySQL > > http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/01/16/sun-mysql_1.html > > How is it that Open Source is for sale? It's not. MySQL (the company) is for sale and Sun buys the customer base. > GPL? Yeah, what does this mean? MySQL's software is distributed under the terms of the GPL as an open source product. They have a more restrictive license for their super-duper products that isn't GPL. Doesn't affect ownership of the business in any way. > Is gentoo next? > > > James -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
On Thursday 17 January 2008, Thufir wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:33:32 +, Qian Qiao wrote: > > What extra do you archieve if you install your Gentoo from a Gentoo > > LiveCD instead of a Knoppix CD? None! > > > > Stop binding you mind to the concept that "I have to install a > > Gentoo from a Gentoo CD", it's not true, start looking at a broader > > perspective. > > I don't think anyone's making that argument. What I'm asking, at > least, is why Gentoo prides itself on having one of the steepest > learning curves. Because it's a source-based distro. And that one simple fact changes EVERYTHING. Now think this through - you have a source based distro where everything is built locally. What does it take to boot strap such a system install? What do you need to provide? What tools must be available? How will they be made available? Then the killer question: What does the user need to know to be able to do this? Doesn't matter how you spin it, we don't have a binary distro and what works there probably doesn't work here. We have to use techniques that actually work here, and catering for every possible user type, a la Mandriva, is simply not going to work. If a gentoo LiveCD is such a good idea, it would have been done successfully and correctly. It was tried, it didn't work out. Now analyze why it didn't work out and be willing to accept while doing this that perhaps your own wishes are not viable. > Let's turn this around: if Gentoo were to attract a larger user base > I posit that this would attract more developers. Who says Gentoo does not already have a large user base consisting of exactly the kind of users that are ideal for Gentoo? It has not been established that this is not the case. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Touchpad in "absolute" mode
On Thursday 17 January 2008, Sascha Hlusiak wrote: > Am Mittwoch 16 Januar 2008 18:13:22 schrieb Alan McKinnon: > > Hi all, > > > > I haven't seen this one before. My touchpad mouse works normally, > > until I lift my finger and place it somewhere else. Normally, the > > pointer would stay where it is and only move when my finger moves. > > What happens now is my I touch the pad, the pointer moves to a > > point on the screen corresponding to where I touch the pad. Touch > > pad on left edge, pointer moves to left edge of screen, then reacts > > normally to finger moving again. The "stick mouse" works fine. > > > > I get the same result without an xorg.conf, just letting xorg > > figure stuff out for itself. > > Stuff is figured out itself now anyway. :-S > > You have hal-0.5.10 installed and compiled xorg-server with hal. Now > hal will scan the attached devices and hotplug available mice. The > touchpad is recognized as a mouse and the "evdev" driver is loaded > with uses absolute mode since the device emits absolute coordinates. > These devices are even added when you already have a mouse input > device in the xorg.conf, thus giving you a lot of mice that use the > same data (some guys report double clicks on single clicks, keymaps > changed, the touchpad does not work right anymore). > > Put > Option "AutoAddDevices" "false" Excellent! thanks. That fixed the problem, and also solved erratic double-click behaviour I was getting in Konqueror as well alan > in the Section Serverflags and xorg will stop to hotplug mice. > Or add a custom policy file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ to add the > touchpad with the synaptics driver instead of evdev. > > Sascha -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
Thufir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:58:15 -0200, Daniel da Veiga wrote: > >> I completely agree with Alan, Gentoo is a metadistro, and it provides >> (by Handbook) a LOT of ways to install, > > Ok, but I would like to see all those sabayon users taken into the fold. Uhm, why? Sabayon is a distribution of itself. Sure, it's based on Gentoo, but it certainly has its own "vision" and thus also its own userbase. The userbase of Gentoo and Sabayon don't have to be identical. What works for them, doesn't have to work for "us". Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
Thufir wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:17:11 +, Qian Qiao wrote: > > > >> I'm sorry this goes OT Dale, but unfortunately, my mail client cannot >> render html messages properly, and I trust a lot of people on the list >> have the same problem. If would be nice if you can post in plain text, >> at least in this list. >> > > > Ditto, thanks for saying it. > > > -Thufir > > Well actually it was pointed out, I think in another thread on this, that it was sending it both in plain text and HTML. That way your email client could pick n choose which one it wants to show you. Sort of leaves it up to you then. ;-) I like HTML myself. :D It should be set to text only now tho, which is what I thought it was all the time since I set it that way ages ago. Your welcome. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2008, Thufir wrote: > >> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:33:32 +, Qian Qiao wrote: >> >>> What extra do you archieve if you install your Gentoo from a Gentoo >>> LiveCD instead of a Knoppix CD? None! >>> >>> Stop binding you mind to the concept that "I have to install a >>> Gentoo from a Gentoo CD", it's not true, start looking at a broader >>> perspective. >>> >> I don't think anyone's making that argument. What I'm asking, at >> least, is why Gentoo prides itself on having one of the steepest >> learning curves. >> > > Because it's a source-based distro. > > And that one simple fact changes EVERYTHING. > > Now think this through - you have a source based distro where everything > is built locally. What does it take to boot strap such a system > install? What do you need to provide? What tools must be available? How > will they be made available? Then the killer question: > > What does the user need to know to be able to do this? > > Doesn't matter how you spin it, we don't have a binary distro and what > works there probably doesn't work here. We have to use techniques that > actually work here, and catering for every possible user type, a la > Mandriva, is simply not going to work. > Well said. Gentoo is nothing like Mandriva, Mandrake or whatever it is called now. I switched from Mandrake and while Gentoo does have a learning curve, my only other option to have the control I wanted was Linux from Scratch. That was a bit much for me, no tarball to at least start out with. I still like having the CD around tho. ;-) Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo on the Sales block?
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:49:43 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Yeah, what does this mean? MySQL's software is distributed under the > terms of the GPL as an open source product. They have a more > restrictive license for their super-duper products that isn't GPL. The also sell MySQL under another licence, for companies that want to use it in a closed source package. -- Neil Bothwick Welcome to the world of Windows Vista. Stay a while -- stay foooreveeer. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:19:48 + (UTC), Thufir wrote: > Let's turn this around: if Gentoo were to attract a larger user base I > posit that this would attract more developers. How do you draw that conclusion? How would attracting users who are unwilling to read documentation and get their hands dirty increase the number of potential developers? -- Neil Bothwick COMMAND: A suggestion made to a computer. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Sending IMs from a script
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:51:29 -0600, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: > > I would have thought this was easy, but I've looked around and can't > > find a program that will send IMs from a script. I need to be able to > > send alerts to people from a monitoring program. > An alternate way to send alerts is to send an email to their mobile > phone. That's already in use, I was looking for an alternate to your alternate :) -- Neil Bothwick Room service? Send up a larger room. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:27:03 + (UTC), Thufir wrote: > > http://marc.info > > I prefer: > > http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/topics What's wrong with http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/ ? -- Neil Bothwick Scientists decode the first confirmed alien transmission from outer space ... "This really works! Just send 5*10^50 H atoms to each of the five star systems listed below. Then, add your own system to the top of the list, delete the system at the bottom, and send out copies of this message to 100 other solar systems. If you follow these instructions, within 0.25 of a galactic rotation you are guaranteed to receive enough hydrogen in return to power your civilization until entropy reaches its maximum!" signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is Gentoo on the Sales block?
On Thursday 17 January 2008 05:08:56 Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2008-01-17, Brian Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gentoo no longer exists legally, so I wouldn't worry. ;) > > It exists illegally? > > On my computers? > > I'm an outlaw! > > This is more exciting that I thought... No, Brian said it doesn't exist "legally", which is not the same thing as "lawfully". Properly, "legally" means "in law", whereas the word for "in compliance with a law" is "lawfully". Of course things change, and nearly always for the worse, so such niceties become mere memories. -- Rgds Peter -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS
On Wednesday 16 January 2008 19:54:42 Kenneth Prugh wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:48:21 +0100 > > Cahn Roger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'll have soon a new PC with Processor > > Intel Core2 Duo E6850 > > Which cflags do I need for it? > > Thank you very much. > > Roger > > CFLAGS="-O2 -march=nocona -pipe" > > should do it if your running stable AMD64. If you happened to use > gcc-4.2 or later on AMD64 you could do something like this: > > CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native -mtune=native -pipe" Just a tiny hijack :-) My new laptop will have a T7100 CPU. I'd like to know what CFLAGS to use, but even before that should I use an AMD64 or IA64 installation medium? -- Rgds Peter -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS
hello, in case that you want use 64bit system chose amd64 and -march=nocona BR tomas Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Wednesday 16 January 2008 19:54:42 Kenneth Prugh wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:48:21 +0100 >> >> Cahn Roger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'll have soon a new PC with Processor >>> Intel Core2 Duo E6850 >>> Which cflags do I need for it? >>> Thank you very much. >>> Roger >>> >> CFLAGS="-O2 -march=nocona -pipe" >> >> should do it if your running stable AMD64. If you happened to use >> gcc-4.2 or later on AMD64 you could do something like this: >> >> CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native -mtune=native -pipe" >> > > Just a tiny hijack :-) > > My new laptop will have a T7100 CPU. I'd like to know what CFLAGS to use, > but even before that should I use an AMD64 or IA64 installation medium? > >
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS
On Thursday 17 January 2008, Peter Humphrey wrote: > Just a tiny hijack :-) > > My new laptop will have a T7100 CPU. I'd like to know what CFLAGS to > use, but even before that should I use an AMD64 or IA64 installation > medium? Maybe this wiki page could help: http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS
On Thursday 17 January 2008, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2008 11:42:37 Tomas Papan wrote: > > in case that you want use 64bit system chose amd64 and > > -march=nocona > > OK, thanks. What then is IA64 for? Itanium2. You don't want to go there. Trust me. It's a bastard evolution of one of Intel's worst ideas ever - Itanium, which was their first 64 bit effort. Only HP ever used it and it was a disaster in the market. Windows and Linux have never run on it. AMD did it right with amd64 which Intel copied as emt64. Meanwhile Itanium2 came along, called IA64 in Linux terms. The only place you will ever see this architecture is in a data centre, and the machine will be at least 8 years old. alan -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Once again baffled by portage
On Thursday 17 January 2008, Grant Edwards wrote: > Why won't portage let me install kompare? > ># emerge --pretend kompare > >These are the packages that would be merged, in order: > >Calculating dependencies... done! >[ebuild N] kde-base/kompare-3.5.7 USE="arts -debug > -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" [blocks B ] > =kde-base/kompare-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdesdk-3.5.7) [blocks B >] =kde-base/kdesdk-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kompare-3.5.7) > > How does one figure out where these "blocks" are coming from? > There are no other versions of kompare installed. > kde-base/kdesdk-3.5.7 _is_ installed. There is no mention of > kde in /etc/portage/*. The solution is a little more complex than in Michael's reply and this may take a while :-) . Normally with blockers one looks in the ebuild to see what you may and may not do, this is often enough info. The contents of /etc/portage/* is seldom useful here as blockers almost always mean you have specified two things that cannot co-exist. In your case, you have run into monolithic and -meta kde ebuilds. Guess what - you already have the kompare binaries, despite the fact that kde-base/kompare is not installed. That's because they are actually part of kdesdk. There are two ways I would have gone about finding this out: a. 'equery depends kompare' would have said that kdesdk-meta depends on it, if it were installed (which it isn't on your machine). b. Looking into the ebuild for kdesdk-meta shows: RDEPEND=" ... $(deprange $PV $MAXKDEVER kde-base/kompare) ... " So the -meta package installs kompare, therefore the monolithic package will too. Essentially you are trying to install one of the individual packages from a -meta package at the same time as a corresponding monolithic package,and portage is correctly refusing to let you do this. How did I immediately know that this is the cause? School of hard knocks :-) From experience I have a good idea of the name of the 15 or so KDE monolithic packages, and the general rule I follow is that blockers related to kde are usually conflicts between -meta and monolithic ebuilds. Roll on KDE4 when this monolithic nonsense will go away and there will only be -meta ebuilds. alan > ># emerge --search kompare >Searching... >[ Results for search key : kompare ] >[ Applications found : 1 ] > >* kde-base/kompare > Latest version available: 3.5.7 > Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] > Size of files: 5,078 kB > Homepage: http://www.kde.org/ > Description: KDE: A program to view the differences > between files and optionally generate a diff License: GPL-2 > ># emerge --search '%^kdesdk$' >Searching... >[ Results for search key : ^kdesdk$ ] >[ Applications found : 1 ] > >* kde-base/kdesdk > Latest version available: 3.5.7 > Latest version installed: 3.5.7 > Size of files: 5,088 kB > Homepage: http://www.kde.org/ > Description: KDE SDK: Cervisia, KBabel, KCachegrind, > Kompare, Umbrello,... License: GPL-2 > > > -- > Grant Edwards grante Yow! Am I in > Milwaukee? at >visi.com -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS
On Thursday 17 January 2008 15:36:51 Kenneth Prugh wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:38:47 + > Peter Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OK, thanks. What then is IA64 for? > > Intel Itanium processors. (Your T7100 is a Core2) Of course. Thanks again; also to Etaoin. -- Rgds Peter -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Once again baffled by portage
· Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Why won't portage let me install kompare? Because you already have it. ># emerge --pretend kompare > >These are the packages that would be merged, in order: > >Calculating dependencies... done! >[ebuild N] kde-base/kompare-3.5.7 USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal > -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" >[blocks B ] =kde-base/kompare-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdesdk-3.5.7) >[blocks B ] =kde-base/kdesdk-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kompare-3.5.7) > > How does one figure out where these "blocks" are coming from? By having a look in the ebuilds. > There are no other versions of kompare installed. > kde-base/kdesdk-3.5.7 _is_ installed. There is no mention of > kde in /etc/portage/*. I suppose kompare is part of kdesdk. kdesdk is a huge package containing lots of stuff. So I suppose you cannot have both kdesdk and a broken out package (kompare) installed at the same time. >* kde-base/kdesdk > Latest version available: 3.5.7 > Latest version installed: 3.5.7 > Size of files: 5,088 kB > Homepage: http://www.kde.org/ > Description: KDE SDK: Cervisia, KBabel, KCachegrind, Kompare, > Umbrello,... > License: GPL-2 Yep. There it says: kdesdk also offers Kompare. Hm, why would you want to install Kompare, if you already have it installed? Michael Schmarck -- Why would anyone want to be called "Later"? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Once again baffled by portage
On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 03:28:24PM +, Grant Edwards wrote: > Why won't portage let me install kompare? >* kde-base/kdesdk > Description: KDE SDK: Cervisia, KBabel, KCachegrind, Kompare, > Umbrello,... > By what I understand, kdesdk already includes kompare, that is why it is blocking it. If you don't have kompare already, there may be some bug in an eclass or ebuild relating to one of these packages. I'm not a kde user, but a quick look at the ebuild for kompare showed that the src is the same as kdesdk. As for where the blocks come from, I think it's directly from the dependencies specified in the ebuilds. Well, hope that helps. Cheers, Guilherme -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags
> Intel Core 2 Duo/Quad / Xeon 51xx/53xx
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> model : 15
> model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU @ XXXGHz
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> CFLAGS="-march=prescott -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
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> *64 bit profile (amd64)*
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> CFLAGS="-march=nocona -O2 -pipe"
> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
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> *Note:*
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> -march=core2[1],
>but Gentoo has nothing above 4.2 in portage.
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Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:38:47 + Peter Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2008 11:42:37 Tomas Papan wrote: > > > in case that you want use 64bit system chose amd64 and -march=nocona > > OK, thanks. What then is IA64 for? > Intel Itanium processors. (Your T7100 is a Core2) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS
On Thursday 17 January 2008 11:42:37 Tomas Papan wrote: > in case that you want use 64bit system chose amd64 and -march=nocona OK, thanks. What then is IA64 for? -- Rgds Peter -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Once again baffled by portage
Why won't portage let me install kompare? # emerge --pretend kompare These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N] kde-base/kompare-3.5.7 USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" [blocks B ] =kde-base/kompare-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdesdk-3.5.7) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdesdk-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kompare-3.5.7) How does one figure out where these "blocks" are coming from? There are no other versions of kompare installed. kde-base/kdesdk-3.5.7 _is_ installed. There is no mention of kde in /etc/portage/*. # emerge --search kompare Searching... [ Results for search key : kompare ] [ Applications found : 1 ] * kde-base/kompare Latest version available: 3.5.7 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 5,078 kB Homepage: http://www.kde.org/ Description: KDE: A program to view the differences between files and optionally generate a diff License: GPL-2 # emerge --search '%^kdesdk$' Searching... [ Results for search key : ^kdesdk$ ] [ Applications found : 1 ] * kde-base/kdesdk Latest version available: 3.5.7 Latest version installed: 3.5.7 Size of files: 5,088 kB Homepage: http://www.kde.org/ Description: KDE SDK: Cervisia, KBabel, KCachegrind, Kompare, Umbrello,... License: GPL-2 -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Am I in Milwaukee? at visi.com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] DNAT not working
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Etaoin Shrdlu) writes: >On Wednesday 16 January 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> nat needs the following config at least: >> >> Networking -> Networking Options -> Network packet filtering framework >> (Netfilter) -> IP: Netfilter Configuration -> Full NAT >> >> and the options below it >I guess it also needs some kind of connection tracking, like >NF_CONNTRACK_ENABLED: >Networking -> Networking Options -> Network packet filtering framework >(Netfilter) -> Core Netfilter Configuration -> Netfilter connection >tracking support got that: CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_ENABLED=m >-- >gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list -- Dipl-Inf. Konstantin Agouros aka Elwood Blues. Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Otkerstr. 28, 81547 Muenchen, Germany. Tel +49 89 69370185 "Captain, this ship will not survive the forming of the cosmos." B'Elana Torres -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Video Network Stream from Pipe
On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 20:43 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:29:35 +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: > > > #!/bin/bash > > mencoder [...] -o - | tee video.mkv | stream-app > > > > So far it should work and vlc would be the natural choice for the > > streaming app. However, vlc seems unable to read from a pipe so I need > > something else. > > What about using a fifo, can vlc handle that? > > mkfifo mystream > mencoder [...] -o - | tee video.mkv >mystream & > streamapp mystream > > Thanks but that was one of my first thoughts. I've tried "cat [Matroska-file] > test.fifo & vlc test.fifo". VLC thought it was a DVD and could not read it. I also tried telling vlc to use the mkv demuxer with "--demux mkv" but then I've got: "[0254] mkv demuxer error: Not a Matroska file : DocType = [0254] mkv demuxer error: cannot find KaxSegment [0247] main input error: no suitable demux module for `/mkv://TYFS.mkv'" I don't think streaming would fare any better if the streaming server can't recognize the format, am I right? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] DNAT not working
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan McKinnon) writes: >On Wednesday 16 January 2008, Konstantinos Agouros wrote: >> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan McKinnon) writes: >> >Most likely he doesn't have the correct module loaded int he kernel >> >> As I said, the fact that iptables -L (after a fresh reboot) does not >> do anything puzzles me a bit. What would be the right module in Your >> opinion? Also is there a kernel configuration option I might have >> overseen? >nat needs the following config at least: >Networking -> Networking Options -> Network packet filtering framework >(Netfilter) -> IP: Netfilter Configuration -> Full NAT >and the options below it >the modules that load on my machine after running that same iptbales >command are: >xt_tcpudp 3712 1 >iptable_nat 7812 1 >nf_nat 20524 1 iptable_nat >nf_conntrack_ipv4 18952 2 iptable_nat >nf_conntrack 66376 3 iptable_nat,nf_nat,nf_conntrack_ipv4 >nfnetlink 6424 3 nf_nat,nf_conntrack_ipv4,nf_conntrack >ip_tables 14284 1 iptable_nat >x_tables 15748 3 xt_tcpudp,iptable_nat,ip_tables This is what I have: Module Size Used by iptable_filter 6400 1 iptable_nat10116 0 ip_tables 14404 2 iptable_filter,iptable_nat nf_nat 19116 1 iptable_nat x_tables 14084 2 iptable_nat,ip_tables nf_conntrack_ipv4 11908 2 iptable_nat nf_conntrack 53192 3 iptable_nat,nf_nat,nf_conntrack_ipv4 nfnetlink 8088 3 nf_nat,nf_conntrack_ipv4,nf_conntrack xt_tcpudp is the difference as it seems >alan >-- >Alan McKinnon >alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com >-- >gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list -- Dipl-Inf. Konstantin Agouros aka Elwood Blues. Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Otkerstr. 28, 81547 Muenchen, Germany. Tel +49 89 69370185 "Captain, this ship will not survive the forming of the cosmos." B'Elana Torres -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Once again baffled by portage
On 2008-01-17, Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2008, Grant Edwards wrote: >> Why won't portage let me install kompare? >> >># emerge --pretend kompare >> >>These are the packages that would be merged, in order: >> >>Calculating dependencies... done! >>[ebuild N] kde-base/kompare-3.5.7 USE="arts -debug >> -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" [blocks B ] >> =kde-base/kompare-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdesdk-3.5.7) [blocks B >>] =kde-base/kdesdk-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kompare-3.5.7) >> >> How does one figure out where these "blocks" are coming from? >> There are no other versions of kompare installed. >> kde-base/kdesdk-3.5.7 _is_ installed. There is no mention of >> kde in /etc/portage/*. > > The solution is a little more complex than in Michael's reply and this > may take a while :-) [...] > Essentially you are trying to install one of the individual packages > from a -meta package at the same time as a corresponding monolithic > package,and portage is correctly refusing to let you do this. Sure, it makes sense now. :) Thanks for the explanation. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! I was making donuts at and now I'm on a bus! visi.com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS
On Thursday 17 January 2008 17:10:11 Alan McKinnon wrote: > Itanium2. > > You don't want to go there. Trust me. > > It's a bastard evolution of one of Intel's worst ideas ever I thought that would be Pentium 4 EE. :P -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Once again baffled by portage
On Thursday 17 January 2008 16:28:24 Grant Edwards wrote: > How does one figure out where these "blocks" are coming from? > There are no other versions of kompare installed. > kde-base/kdesdk-3.5.7 _is_ installed. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kde-split-ebuilds.xml -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Once again baffled by portage
On Thursday 17 January 2008, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2008-01-17, Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Essentially you are trying to install one of the individual > > packages from a -meta package at the same time as a corresponding > > monolithic package,and portage is correctly refusing to let you do > > this. > > Sure, it makes sense now. :) > > Thanks for the explanation. I just re-read my own post and I'm left with one impression: There gotta be an easier way to do this split-ebuild thing where the user can see at a glance if a package is monolithic or not... -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Once again baffled by portage
On Thursday 17 January 2008 17:06:28 Alan McKinnon wrote: > Roll on KDE4 when this monolithic nonsense will go away and there will > only be -meta ebuilds. Actually it was decided to keep monolithics in KDE 4.0.0. Splits are now the default which means they are listed first in any-of dependency blocks such as e.g. || ( kde-base/kompare:kde-4 kde-base/kdesdk:kde-4 ) in KDE 4. But monos are still around. There is a list of the monos in the url I posted in another mail to this thread. -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Once again baffled by portage
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:41:04 +0100, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: > Actually it was decided to keep monolithics in KDE 4.0.0. Splits are > now the default which means they are listed first in any-of dependency > blocks such as e.g. || ( kde-base/kompare:kde-4 kde-base/kdesdk:kde-4 ) > in KDE 4. But monos are still around. There is a list of the monos in > the url I posted in another mail to this thread. Would it be possible to modify the kde-meta eclass so that a split vs monolithic block gave a more informative error message. Even a generic message pointing to that URI would be a great help. -- Neil Bothwick Daisy Duke shorts would never go out of fashion. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Once again baffled by portage
On Friday 18 January 2008 01:08:51 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > Actually it was decided to keep monolithics in KDE 4.0.0. Splits are > > now the default which means they are listed first in any-of dependency > > blocks such as e.g. || ( kde-base/kompare:kde-4 kde-base/kdesdk:kde-4 ) > > in KDE 4. But monos are still around. There is a list of the monos in > > the url I posted in another mail to this thread. > > Would it be possible to modify the kde-meta eclass so that a split vs > monolithic block gave a more informative error message. Even a generic > message pointing to that URI would be a great help. Since we only have the RDEPEND="!kde-base/kdesdk:kde-4" etc. dependency syntax which doesn't allow messages I don't see how (if you see a possibility I'm missing say so). The message you get is a generic resolver failure. If you have ideas for better wording of the blocker message from portage I guess you should file a portage bug. If you have any ideas for extending the ebuild format to make it possible to add custom messages with urls then I guess filing a PMS/EAPI bug is the way to go. -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Once again baffled by portage
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 01:17:18 +0100, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: > > Would it be possible to modify the kde-meta eclass so that a split vs > > monolithic block gave a more informative error message. Even a generic > > message pointing to that URI would be a great help. > > Since we only have the RDEPEND="!kde-base/kdesdk:kde-4" etc. dependency > syntax which doesn't allow messages I don't see how (if you see a > possibility I'm missing say so). I don't, I was merely asking if it was possible. I take it your answer is a "no" :( -- Neil Bothwick Access denied--nah nah na nah nah! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] What about this eix output?
$ eix -e netscape-flash
* net-www/netscape-flash
Available versions: [M]7.0.68 [M]9.0.48.0!m 9.0.48.0-r1!m
[M]~9.0.60.0_beta082207!m ~9.0.60.0_beta100107!m 9.0.115.0!m {debug}
Homepage:http://www.adobe.com/
Description: Adobe Flash Player
I don't understand what the appending flag "!m" means, can anyone tell me?
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Re: [gentoo-user] What about this eix output?
On Jan 17, 2008 7:36 PM, Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> $ eix -e netscape-flash
> * net-www/netscape-flash
> Available versions: [M]7.0.68 [M]9.0.48.0!m
> 9.0.48.0-r1!m[M]~9.0.60.0_beta082207!m ~9.0.60.0_beta100107!m
> 9.0.115.0!m {debug}
> Homepage:http://www.adobe.com/
> Description: Adobe Flash Player
>
> I don't understand what the appending flag "!m" means, can anyone tell me?
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Could it be a bug with eix? What does emerge -pv netscape-flash return?
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo on the Sales block?
James skrev: > I only ask because Sun just paid > a billion dollars for MySQL > > http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/01/16/sun-mysql_1.html > > How is it that Open Source is for sale? > > GPL? > > > Is gentoo next? > > > James > > > FLOSS != Gratis. There is no problem in buying either Open Source or Free Software. FLOSS is not against Capitalism you know. It is merely against MS EULA's ;) -kristian herkild -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What about this eix output?
On 19:50 Thu 17 Jan , Kevin wrote:
> On Jan 17, 2008 7:36 PM, Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > $ eix -e netscape-flash
> > * net-www/netscape-flash
> > Available versions: [M]7.0.68 [M]9.0.48.0!m
> > 9.0.48.0-r1!m[M]~9.0.60.0_beta082207!m ~9.0.60.0_beta100107!m
> > 9.0.115.0!m {debug}
> > Homepage:http://www.adobe.com/
> > Description: Adobe Flash Player
> >
> > I don't understand what the appending flag "!m" means, can anyone tell me?
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> Could it be a bug with eix? What does emerge -pv netscape-flash return?
according to the man page, there is a mirror restriction on it.
I could be wrong, though.
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[gentoo-user] "loopback mount" hard-drive image created with dd?
Hi there, Before installing on a new laptop which came with Vista pre-installed I took an image of the hard-drive using dd. (ie: `dd if=/dev/sda of=/ mnt/sdb1/disk.img`, where /mnt/sdb1 was a portable USB hard-drive). Obviously the intention was that if I b0rked things up I could just `dd` the image back onto the laptop and all would work as the manufacturer shipped it, but I'd now find it useful to be able to take a look inside the image and examine a few files. Is there any way to do this, please? I'm fairly confident that there were originally a couple of partitions on the drive, and the one I want to look at will be NTFS, of course. I know that a CD iso I can mount using `mount file.iso / mnt/cdrom -t iso9660 -o loop`, but is there an equivalent for whole partition tables? Thanks in advance for any suggestions or advices, Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Autofs or ivman?
Sorry for taking so long to reply to this - I've been kinda busy with work the last few days. On 6 Jan 2008, at 17:25, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sunday 06 January 2008, Stroller wrote: Hi there, I was on #gentoo yesterday asking about autofs & someone recommended ivman instead. Which does gentoo-users think I should use? Dilemmas like this are best resolved by finding out what problem a technology was designed to solve. A good example of the kind of problem autofs solves is exporting home directories on a large server that has many accounts... ... With autofs you essentially tell the server that this is user joe, it exports his home dir on the fly, creates a directory /home/joe on his workstation (/home must already exist)and mounts the NFS export there. Now, you don't appear to be doing something like that :-) Many thanks for your reply - it was quite insightful. In fact, autofs would be quite useful for my /mnt/video/[a...z] volumes. It makes me still wonder, however, why so many people seem to use autofs for /mnt/floppy, /mnt/cdrom &c, tho'! ... the impetus for other solutions to be developed, like ivman. My concern over ivman - which looks ideal for much of what I want to do - is that it's not clear if it's maintained. For network mounting / usr/portage I guess I can just use NFS and just stick the mount in the clients' /etc/fstab, but ivman looks great for automounting portable media. As I said in my original posting [1], the state of ivman looks to be in a bit of a mess and I'm kinda reluctant to mess about with it if it's going to be obsolete in a year or two - someone please persuade me this isn't going to happen!! ;) Stroller. [1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/192551 -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What about this eix output?
On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 08:50:27PM -0600, forgottenwizard wrote: > On 19:50 Thu 17 Jan , Kevin wrote: > according to the man page, there is a mirror restriction on it. What is "mirror restriction" ? -- Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Where can I find the ebuild for new beagle version 0.3.2?
As the title. -- Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What about this eix output?
On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 07:50:11PM -0600, Kevin wrote: > Could it be a bug with eix? What does emerge -pv netscape-flash > return? > $ sudo emerge -pv netscape-flash Password: These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N] net-www/netscape-flash-9.0.115.0 0 kB Total: 1 package (1 new), Size of downloads: 0 kB It doen't seem this package has been masked! -- Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Autofs or ivman?
On Thursday 17 January 2008 10:08:22 pm Stroller wrote: > Sorry for taking so long to reply to this - I've been kinda busy with > work the last few days. > > On 6 Jan 2008, at 17:25, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Sunday 06 January 2008, Stroller wrote: > >> Hi there, > >> > >> I was on #gentoo yesterday asking about autofs & someone recommended > >> ivman instead. > >> Which does gentoo-users think I should use? > > > > Dilemmas like this are best resolved by finding out what problem a > > technology was designed to solve. > > > > A good example of the kind of problem autofs solves is exporting home > > directories on a large server that has many accounts... > > > > ... With autofs you essentially tell the server > > that this is user joe, it exports his home dir on the fly, creates a > > directory /home/joe on his workstation (/home must already exist)and > > mounts the NFS export there. > > > > Now, you don't appear to be doing something like that :-) > > Many thanks for your reply - it was quite insightful. In fact, autofs > would be quite useful for my /mnt/video/[a...z] volumes. > > It makes me still wonder, however, why so many people seem to use > autofs for /mnt/floppy, /mnt/cdrom &c, tho'! > > > ... the impetus for other solutions > > to be developed, like ivman. > > My concern over ivman - which looks ideal for much of what I want to > do - is that it's not clear if it's maintained. For network mounting / > usr/portage I guess I can just use NFS and just stick the mount in > the clients' /etc/fstab, but ivman looks great for automounting > portable media. As I said in my original posting [1], the state of > ivman looks to be in a bit of a mess and I'm kinda reluctant to mess > about with it if it's going to be obsolete in a year or two - someone > please persuade me this isn't going to happen!! ;) > > Stroller. > > > [1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/192551 I use autofs for just about everything imagineable... What's the problem with using it for removable media? -- From the Desk of: Jerome D. McBride -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] OT: awk problem
Hi,
maybe one of you can sched some light on this. I want to match a sequence of
two digits with awk, but the following doesn't work
gawk '/([[:digit:]]){2}/' test_file
while it works as expected when using egrep, like
egrep ([[:digit:]]){2} test_file
Leaving out the interval also works, like in
gawk '/([[:digit:][:digit:]])/' test_file
but that would of course get worse when it comes to more than two digits. It
also doesn't make a difference if I use [0-9] instead of [[:digit:]].
According to awk's man page its regular expressions are the same than those
used by egrep. What do I miss?
Thanks...
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Re: [gentoo-user] [solved] OT: awk problem
Am Freitag, 18. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Dirk Heinrichs:
> maybe one of you can sched some light on this. I want to match a sequence
> of two digits with awk, but the following doesn't work
>
> gawk '/([[:digit:]]){2}/' test_file
Seems I need the --posix option for this to work.
Sorry for bothering you.
Bye...
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[gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:10:01 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> Let's turn this around: if Gentoo were to attract a larger user base I >> posit that this would attract more developers. > > Who says Gentoo does not already have a large user base consisting of > exactly the kind of users that are ideal for Gentoo? It has not been > established that this is not the case. Absolutely, the community support within Gentoo speaks to the distro having, in my opinion, the best community. I'd like to see the quantity of Gentoo users increase partly because I think it's so fantastic. -Thufir -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:00:51 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> Let's turn this around: if Gentoo were to attract a larger user base I >> posit that this would attract more developers. > > How do you draw that conclusion? How would attracting users who are > unwilling to read documentation and get their hands dirty increase the > number of potential developers? Taken to the extreme, if *all* the ubuntu users (to pick on ubuntu for a minute) suddenly switched to gentoo I would expect the ubuntu developers to follow. -Thufir -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:44:12 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: > Uhm, why? Sabayon is a distribution of itself. Sure, it's based on > Gentoo, but it certainly has its own "vision" and thus also its own > userbase. The userbase of Gentoo and Sabayon don't have to be identical. > What works for them, doesn't have to work for "us". Only in that I would like to see Gentoo have more users, which attract more developers. -Thufir -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What about this eix output?
That not all the official gentoo download mirrors are used, but only the one which is in the ebuild under SRC_URI! Shaochun Wang schrieb: > On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 08:50:27PM -0600, forgottenwizard wrote: > >> On 19:50 Thu 17 Jan , Kevin wrote: >> according to the man page, there is a mirror restriction on it. >> > > What is "mirror restriction" ? > > -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
