[gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
Hi all, Maybe someone here has seen this before: amd64 2.6.26-gentoo KDE-4.1 nVidia 8600M GT nvidia-drivers-177.13 (latest unstable) nvidia OpenGL xorg-server-1.4.99.906 Yes, it's bleeding-edge :-) This is in an effort to get some performance out of what should be a very decent video card. It also eats babies, or more often the window decorations on konsole. About once a day I find my konsole is no longer decorated, and I can't get kwin to put them back. I could close and open konsole but that's a hassle and involves re-doing the umpteen sessions I always have open. I tried kwin -- replace but that crashes KDE and/or X (not sure which) Is there an easy way to get kwin-4.1 to redecorate a single open window? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
Alan McKinnon wrote: Hi all, Yes, it's bleeding-edge :-) This is in an effort to get some performance out of what should be a very decent video card. It also eats babies, or more often the window decorations on konsole. I've had a similar issue (similar in that it was not exclusive to konsole) and tracked it down to having the KDE_IS_PRELINKED env var set while KDE was actually *not* prelinked. So check if that's the case on your system. PS: Give Yakuake a try; it doesn't even need a decorator. I only recently discovered it and after using it for a few minutes I even went as far as trying to unmerge Konsole ;)
Re: [gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Maybe someone here has seen this before: amd64 2.6.26-gentoo KDE-4.1 nVidia 8600M GT nvidia-drivers-177.13 (latest unstable) nvidia OpenGL xorg-server-1.4.99.906 Yes, it's bleeding-edge :-) This is in an effort to get some performance out of what should be a very decent video card. It also eats babies, or more often the window decorations on konsole. About once a day I find my konsole is no longer decorated, and I can't get kwin to put them back. I could close and open konsole but that's a hassle and involves re-doing the umpteen sessions I always have open. I tried kwin -- replace but that crashes KDE and/or X (not sure which) Is there an easy way to get kwin-4.1 to redecorate a single open window? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com I don't know about the bug, but screen can safe you the hassle of having to open all your sessions again?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
On Friday 15 August 2008 09:10:40 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: Hi all, Yes, it's bleeding-edge :-) This is in an effort to get some performance out of what should be a very decent video card. It also eats babies, or more often the window decorations on konsole. I've had a similar issue (similar in that it was not exclusive to konsole) and tracked it down to having the KDE_IS_PRELINKED env var set while KDE was actually *not* prelinked. So check if that's the case on your system. Not the case here. Not even I would dare try prelink KDE4 just yet :-) PS: Give Yakuake a try; it doesn't even need a decorator. I only recently discovered it and after using it for a few minutes I even went as far as trying to unmerge Konsole ;) I know about Yakuake, exceptionally nice console. I used it for a while, but found it interferes with my custom toolbar that drops down from the top edge. Maybe I should just try it again, I see there's a version 4 in the overlay these days -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
On Friday 15 August 2008 09:12:06 Dirk Uys wrote: I don't know about the bug, but screen can safe you the hassle of having to open all your sessions again? Screen is indeed god's gift to sysadmins, it's almost as useful as bash :-) I do use it a lot, and for more and better reasons than just recovering from terminal crashes, but I'd still have the hassle of ssh'ing into all those machines all over again. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 15 August 2008 09:12:06 Dirk Uys wrote: I don't know about the bug, but screen can safe you the hassle of having to open all your sessions again? Screen is indeed god's gift to sysadmins, it's almost as useful as bash :-) I do use it a lot, and for more and better reasons than just recovering from terminal crashes, but I'd still have the hassle of ssh'ing into all those machines all over again. But you can open a screen session on your client pc in konsole and ssh from different screen sessions? Screen - ssh - screen ? Dunno? This is just me waffling a bit, the desire to speak up and having something to say is not always the same thing I guess? Regards Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
On Friday 15 August 2008 09:29:42 Dirk Uys wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 15 August 2008 09:12:06 Dirk Uys wrote: I don't know about the bug, but screen can safe you the hassle of having to open all your sessions again? Screen is indeed god's gift to sysadmins, it's almost as useful as bash :-) I do use it a lot, and for more and better reasons than just recovering from terminal crashes, but I'd still have the hassle of ssh'ing into all those machines all over again. But you can open a screen session on your client pc in konsole and ssh from different screen sessions? Screen - ssh - screen ? Dunno? This is just me waffling a bit, the desire to speak up and having something to say is not always the same thing I guess? I could do that, but there's a security implication involved. Those sessions are root sessions on some very important machines and I want a little more security between @ARB_BAD_GUY and those hosts than just Unix file permissions on my notebook :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
On Freitag, 15. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: Hi all, Maybe someone here has seen this before: amd64 2.6.26-gentoo KDE-4.1 nVidia 8600M GT nvidia-drivers-177.13 (latest unstable) nvidia OpenGL xorg-server-1.4.99.906 any reason why you use an unreleased X? There are no new features or improvements. And KDE works fine with 1.4 release.
Re: [gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
On Friday 15 August 2008 10:26:39 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Freitag, 15. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: Hi all, Maybe someone here has seen this before: amd64 2.6.26-gentoo KDE-4.1 nVidia 8600M GT nvidia-drivers-177.13 (latest unstable) nvidia OpenGL xorg-server-1.4.99.906 any reason why you use an unreleased X? There are no new features or improvements. And KDE works fine with 1.4 release. Obviously you are not one of the unfortunate misfits who was stupid enough to buy a new notebook with a nVidia 8 or 9 series card :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
On Freitag, 15. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 15 August 2008 10:26:39 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Freitag, 15. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: Hi all, Maybe someone here has seen this before: amd64 2.6.26-gentoo KDE-4.1 nVidia 8600M GT nvidia-drivers-177.13 (latest unstable) nvidia OpenGL xorg-server-1.4.99.906 any reason why you use an unreleased X? There are no new features or improvements. And KDE works fine with 1.4 release. Obviously you are not one of the unfortunate misfits who was stupid enough to buy a new notebook with a nVidia 8 or 9 series card :-) no, but I owned a 8600GT which works fine with current stable X and stable/unstable nvidia drivers. Why should a prerelease X be needed at all?
Re: [gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
Alan McKinnon ha scritto: On Friday 15 August 2008 10:26:39 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Freitag, 15. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: Hi all, Maybe someone here has seen this before: amd64 2.6.26-gentoo KDE-4.1 nVidia 8600M GT nvidia-drivers-177.13 (latest unstable) nvidia OpenGL xorg-server-1.4.99.906 any reason why you use an unreleased X? There are no new features or improvements. And KDE works fine with 1.4 release. Obviously you are not one of the unfortunate misfits who was stupid enough to buy a new notebook with a nVidia 8 or 9 series card :-) This is the second thread in a few days that reports problems with nVidia cards. Owning a 3rd generation Macbook Pro (nVidia Geforce 8600M GT) with Gentoo on, I'm a bit worried. I never noticed significant problems on that machine, but I would like to be aware of what's going on. Is there some link explaining what problems there are with such nVidia cards? m.
Re: [gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
On Friday 15 August 2008 11:51:14 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Freitag, 15. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 15 August 2008 10:26:39 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: any reason why you use an unreleased X? There are no new features or improvements. And KDE works fine with 1.4 release. Obviously you are not one of the unfortunate misfits who was stupid enough to buy a new notebook with a nVidia 8 or 9 series card :-) no, but I owned a 8600GT which works fine with current stable X and stable/unstable nvidia drivers. Why should a prerelease X be needed at all? The 8600GT most certainly does not work fine on anything using 2D. Especially not KDE-4. 12 seconds to render a translucent menu is unacceptable, so I use the a beta X to get improved EXA. It is better than latest release, but the gui system as a whole is now less stable. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
On Friday 15 August 2008 12:49:26 b.n. wrote: Alan McKinnon ha scritto: This is the second thread in a few days that reports problems with nVidia cards. Owning a 3rd generation Macbook Pro (nVidia Geforce 8600M GT) with Gentoo on, I'm a bit worried. I never noticed significant problems on that machine, but I would like to be aware of what's going on. Is there some link explaining what problems there are with such nVidia cards? m. Here you go, all 26 pages of it: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=115916 Then there's also the issue of the GPU silicon failing in shocking numbers. More details on The Register and Slashdot. Apparently ALL 8 and 9 series GPUs are affected and it's hitting ALL vendors. It's related to the manufacture of those chips and they are failing in alarming numbers under thermal load. It's sad actually. This has a very high potential to sink nVidia completely. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
On Freitag, 15. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 15 August 2008 11:51:14 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Freitag, 15. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 15 August 2008 10:26:39 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: any reason why you use an unreleased X? There are no new features or improvements. And KDE works fine with 1.4 release. Obviously you are not one of the unfortunate misfits who was stupid enough to buy a new notebook with a nVidia 8 or 9 series card :-) no, but I owned a 8600GT which works fine with current stable X and stable/unstable nvidia drivers. Why should a prerelease X be needed at all? The 8600GT most certainly does not work fine on anything using 2D. Especially not KDE-4. 12 seconds to render a translucent menu is unacceptable, so I use the a beta X to get improved EXA. It is better than latest release, but the gui system as a whole is now less stable. and because of that I sold the 8600GT and bought a HD3870. BUT: nvidia does almost everything in its driver - it replaces most of X functions. So you don't win anything by using an unstable X.
Re: [gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
Alan McKinnon ha scritto: On Friday 15 August 2008 12:49:26 b.n. wrote: Alan McKinnon ha scritto: This is the second thread in a few days that reports problems with nVidia cards. Owning a 3rd generation Macbook Pro (nVidia Geforce 8600M GT) with Gentoo on, I'm a bit worried. I never noticed significant problems on that machine, but I would like to be aware of what's going on. Is there some link explaining what problems there are with such nVidia cards? m. Here you go, all 26 pages of it: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=115916 Then there's also the issue of the GPU silicon failing in shocking numbers. More details on The Register and Slashdot. Apparently ALL 8 and 9 series GPUs are affected and it's hitting ALL vendors. It's related to the manufacture of those chips and they are failing in alarming numbers under thermal load. It's sad actually. This has a very high potential to sink nVidia completely. Oh s**t. Thank you. Go figure I bought that MBP last year also because of its nVidia card... :( m.
Re: [gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
On Freitag, 15. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 15 August 2008 12:49:26 b.n. wrote: Alan McKinnon ha scritto: This is the second thread in a few days that reports problems with nVidia cards. Owning a 3rd generation Macbook Pro (nVidia Geforce 8600M GT) with Gentoo on, I'm a bit worried. I never noticed significant problems on that machine, but I would like to be aware of what's going on. Is there some link explaining what problems there are with such nVidia cards? m. Here you go, all 26 pages of it: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=115916 Then there's also the issue of the GPU silicon failing in shocking numbers. More details on The Register and Slashdot. Apparently ALL 8 and 9 series GPUs are affected and it's hitting ALL vendors. It's related to the manufacture of those chips and they are failing in alarming numbers under thermal load. It's sad actually. This has a very high potential to sink nVidia completely. the inquirer has a long article series about the failing gpu problem. In short: all 8XXX chips are bad. Because of the thermal environment laptops are on a different place of the bell curve than desktops. Laptops with nvidia graphic are failing left and right. Whole series of HP, Dell, Asus, laptops are walking ghosts. Desktops might be in the mess soon too. http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/08/13/nvidia-posts-121- million-loss http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/08/12/nvidia-g92s-g94- reportedly http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/31/hp-pays-half-nvidia- problems http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/07/nvidia-meltdown-blame- game http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/09/nvidia-g84-g86-bad http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/27/dell-models-defective- nvidia that their drivers for the 8XXX and 9XXX series suck (on win and lin) is only one of their problems.
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning out my world file
Dale wrote: Hi, I was wondering if their is a easy way to clean out the cruft in my world file? Is their a script? I tried saving a cope then running regenworld but that didn't do much. Maybe it is old and out of date? The reason why I want to do this? Well, sometimes I forget to use the -1 option when working on getting a dependency to install. It adds up after a while. Ideas? Dale :-) :-) Somewhat still on the same subject since I am still cleaning. Anyway to clean out unneeded files in /etc? I'm thinking about files that may be there but the programs are no longer installed. I read the man page for dep but didn't see anything. Dang thing does a lot tho. Thanks Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning out my world file
On Friday 15 August 2008 14:36:58 Dale wrote:
Somewhat still on the same subject since I am still cleaning. Anyway to
clean out unneeded files in /etc? I'm thinking about files that may be
there but the programs are no longer installed. I read the man page for
dep but didn't see anything. Dang thing does a lot tho.
You could use the very long way round, something based on this:
find /etc/ -type f -exec equery belongs {} \;
then leave it alone for an hour or three
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
On Friday 15 August 2008 14:19:14 b.n. wrote: Oh s**t. Thank you. Go figure I bought that MBP last year also because of its nVidia card... I feel your pain, I'm in exactly the same position. I specifically bought this laptop because of the nVidia card and my bad experiences with ATI binary drivers in the past. Guess I should have done a little more up-to-date research... -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
On Friday 15 August 2008 14:14:16 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: that their drivers for the 8XXX and 9XXX series suck (on win and lin) is only one of their problems. I wasn't aware that there was a problem with the windows drivers. I thought the suckiness on linux came mostly from the X architecture together with nVidia's approach of window rendering done inhardware and redirected resizes done in software - the opposite approach to most other driver authors. Turns out that composite resizing is done a whole lot more often than was beleived. Plus, the X architecture is not conducive to the hardware calculations always being done in hardware, resulting in frequent fallbacks to software methods, which slows down the content rendering - the very thing that was supposed to be blazingly fast. Oddly enough, 3D is very very snappy. It's the 2D stuff that cripples the performance, and on a desktop, 2D is exactly what you want. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning out my world file
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 15 August 2008 14:36:58 Dale wrote:
Somewhat still on the same subject since I am still cleaning. Anyway to
clean out unneeded files in /etc? I'm thinking about files that may be
there but the programs are no longer installed. I read the man page for
dep but didn't see anything. Dang thing does a lot tho.
You could use the very long way round, something based on this:
find /etc/ -type f -exec equery belongs {} \;
then leave it alone for an hour or three
H, I had to stop that after a few minutes. It sort of took away
from my folding. Pushed my CPU to about 80% or so.
There has to be a tool for this too. Gentoo has about everything else.
:/
Dale
:-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
On Freitag, 15. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: Oddly enough, 3D is very very snappy. It's the 2D stuff that cripples the performance, and on a desktop, 2D is exactly what you want. AFAIK the problem is that the 8XXX series doesn't really have 2d hardware anymore - everything is done in the 3d part - and the drivers to support that are harder to write than anticipated.
[gentoo-user] 20 Minutos para talvez mudar uma vida
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Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning out my world file
On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 08:38 -0500, Dale wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 15 August 2008 14:36:58 Dale wrote:
Somewhat still on the same subject since I am still cleaning. Anyway to
clean out unneeded files in /etc? I'm thinking about files that may be
there but the programs are no longer installed. I read the man page for
dep but didn't see anything. Dang thing does a lot tho.
You could use the very long way round, something based on this:
find /etc/ -type f -exec equery belongs {} \;
then leave it alone for an hour or three
H, I had to stop that after a few minutes. It sort of took away
from my folding. Pushed my CPU to about 80% or so.
There has to be a tool for this too. Gentoo has about everything else.
I do a similar thing every month as a cron job. It' runs at night so I
just get an email the next day.
--
#!/bin/bash
# Print out orphan files in specified directories
find /etc -xdev -type f -print|xargs qfile -o
find /usr -xdev \( -path /usr/src -prune \) -o -type f -not -name
'*.pyc' \
-not -name '*.pyo' -not -name .keep -print | \
xargs qfile -o
find /lib -xdev \( -path /lib/modules -prune \) -o -type f |xargs qfile
-o
Re: [gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Freitag, 15. August 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: Oddly enough, 3D is very very snappy. It's the 2D stuff that cripples the performance, and on a desktop, 2D is exactly what you want. AFAIK the problem is that the 8XXX series doesn't really have 2d hardware anymore - everything is done in the 3d part - and the drivers to support that are harder to write than anticipated. I'm running two boxes, gentoo (~x86 OC-3GHz Q9300) and a kubuntu (0804 Q6600), each with 8600GTS and KDE 3.5.9. Desktop performance (3840x1200 and 1920x1200) is fine. I'm hoping that KDE4.x doesn't hit ~x86 until the nvidia drivers are fixed, otherwise I'll be in the market for new GPUs. Also I recently replaced a blown eVGA 7600GT (5 caps popped) in my LinuxMCE system with a 9800GT. This system mainly uses libxine for playing ripped DVDs with upscaling to 1080p. So far (only viewed 3 movies) performance is looking good.
Re: [gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
Volker Armin Hemmann ha scritto: In short: all 8XXX chips are bad. Because of the thermal environment laptops are on a different place of the bell curve than desktops. Laptops with nvidia graphic are failing left and right. Whole series of HP, Dell, Asus, laptops are walking ghosts. Desktops might be in the mess soon too. Just to know: what to do when your laptop graphic card fries? I don't think I can just take it out of a socket and change it. m.
Re: [gentoo-user] kwin-4.1 sometimes leaves konsole undecorated
On Samstag, 16. August 2008, b.n. wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann ha scritto: In short: all 8XXX chips are bad. Because of the thermal environment laptops are on a different place of the bell curve than desktops. Laptops with nvidia graphic are failing left and right. Whole series of HP, Dell, Asus, laptops are walking ghosts. Desktops might be in the mess soon too. Just to know: what to do when your laptop graphic card fries? I don't think I can just take it out of a socket and change it. m. if you are lucky, Dell or Hp or whoever replaces the Mobo or the whole laptop (lucky = in the warranty period) if you are not lucky you are screwed. Maybe it is time for a big, fat lawsuit.
[gentoo-user] df and du difference
Hi, I've a strange problem with my root partion: # du -hxs / 188M/ and # du -hx --max-dep=1 / 24M /root 4.0K/cdrom 19M /etc 76K /.nvclock 12K /media 100K/chroot 4.0K/home 4.0K/usr 1.9M/package 5.5M/bin 4.0K/windows2 125M/lib 4.0K/service 4.0K/opt 4.0K/var 4.0K/command 12M /sbin 4.0K/tmp 0 /dev 1.3M/lost+found 0 /proc 4.0K/boot 4.0K/mnt 4.0K/windows 40K /.subversion 0 /sys 4.0K/boot2 188M/ but when I run df: df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda3 2.0G 640M 1.3G 35% / . the difference between du and df is about 640 - 188 = 452 MB. and df is showing that my root is full 2.4 times more than du. which one is the correct one? I've another server that this difference is about 7 GiG and on that server root is 80% full. The type of partition is ext3. Do others have this kind of inconsistancy on their systems? Best regards Platoali
