Re: [gentoo-user] Crossover Office and Word 2007
On 26 Jan 2009, at 20:11, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... Work requires me to use this format sometimes (it's not negotiable) and I can get around it 95% of the time, but the 5% causes me insane amounts of grief. Even though Office2007 runs perfectly well in CrossOver, I have to put up with that stupid bouncing ribbon, menus that are not there ... If you're happy running a Windows app under emulation, then I think you might find that recent versions of Works support .docx. I think you need to install Works and then the Office 2007 Compatibility Pack. People are snobbish over Office vs Works, but IME Works' word- processor is perfectly adequate functional, and it doesn't feature the ribbons you complain about. However, I fear you may still run into this problem: On 27 Jan 2009, at 04:29, Grant Edwards wrote: ... But if it's a shared document and needs to be edited multiple times by multiple people, you just can't get away with using two different apps -- hell, not even two different versions of MSWord. If you go back and forth many times, the document will steadily deteriorate with each transition from one app to another. At least that's my experience. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing outside of Portage cruft removal
On 26 Jan 2009, at 22:51, Grant wrote: ... So for example, miro needs xine to play videos. If I ./configure miro with --prefix=/usr/local, it will install to /usr/local/miro or similar? Yes. Read the configure options for the app you're installing. It might also have a --libprefix or similar that you need to change, too. Then I would need to point it to xine and possibly others since it wasn't configured like --prefix=/ ? Usually the configure scripts should find stuff installed in the main part of the system. Is all this done as root? `./configure make` as user, `make install` as root (sudo?). ... in any case save the source tree for further refference, or just to be able to make uninstall. Couldn't I just uninstall with 'rm -rf /usr/local/miro' ? I don't know about miro, but often foo will install not install a directory /usr/local/foo but instead files /usr/local/food /usr/ local/foobar. These will get intermingled with files /usr/local/bard /usr/local/barfoo, so `make uninstall` is used to uninstall the files cleanly. I believe that configure scripts for some programs (e.g. mplayer?) may also sometimes install config files in /etc - I think `make uninstall` will remove these, but I get the impression from your earlier posts that you may find this undesirable. Nevertheless, it is worth experimenting with compiling by hand using this method - I would consider it an essential Linux skill and it will give you an insight into things around which Portage is merely a wrapper. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange firefox segfault
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 08:44:12AM +, Penguin Lover Neil Bothwick squawked: On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:32:54 +0200, Maxim Kremenev wrote: Or maybe extrem LDFLAGS. We want see your /etc/make.conf ) LDFLAGS are shown by emerge --info, as requested several pages down in the text you quoted. Please don't top post, it makes following conversations so much more difficult. Here's the emerge --info, I don't think I have anything too extreme ;) And just a reminder: yes, I am on the hardened profile for this box. --- Portage 2.1.6.4 (hardened/x86/2.6, gcc-3.4.6, glibc-2.6.1-r0, 2.6.16-hardened-r10 i686) = System uname: Linux-2.6.16-hardened-r10-i686-Intel-R-_Pentium-R-_4_CPU_2.00GHz-with-glibc2.3.2 Timestamp of tree: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:35:01 + app-shells/bash: 3.2_p39 dev-java/java-config: 1.3.7-r1, 2.1.6-r1 dev-lang/python: 2.5.2-r7 dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r6 sys-apps/baselayout: 1.12.11.1 sys-apps/sandbox:1.2.18.1-r2 sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.63 sys-devel/automake: 1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r2, 1.10.2 sys-devel/binutils: 2.18-r3 sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.4.0-r4 sys-devel/libtool: 1.5.26 virtual/os-headers: 2.6.27-r2 ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86 CBUILD=i686-pc-linux-gnu CFLAGS=-march=pentium4 -O2 -pipe CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/ca-certificates.conf /etc/env.d /etc/env.d/java/ /etc/fonts/fonts.conf /etc/gconf /etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/terminfo /etc/texmf/web2c /etc/udev/rules.d CXXFLAGS=-march=pentium4 -O2 -pipe DISTDIR=/home/portage/distfiles FEATURES=distlocks fixpackages parallel-fetch protect-owned sandbox sfperms strict unmerge-orphans userfetch GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://distfiles.gentoo.org http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/gentoo; LDFLAGS= LINGUAS=en fr zh_TW MAKEOPTS=-j1 PKGDIR=/home/portage/packages PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS=--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times --compress --force --whole-file --delete --stats --timeout=180 --exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local --exclude=/packages PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/home/tmp PORTDIR=/home/portage SYNC=rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage USE=X a52 aac aalib acpi aim alsa audiofile bash-completion bcmath bidi blender-game bzip2 cairo canna cdparanoia cdr cjk crypt cups curl cxx djvu dri dts dv dvd dvdread encode exif expat fame ffmpeg flac fpx ftp gd gdbm ggi gif gimp gimpprint glitz glut gphoto2 gpm graphviz gs gtk guile hardened hdri iconv imagemagick imap imlib inkjar java javascript jbig joystick jpeg jpeg2k lame latex lcms libcaca libwww lzo mad maildir math matroska mbox mbrola midi mikmod mime mjpeg mmx mmxext mng motif mozilla moznocompose moznomail moznoroaming mp3 mp4 mpeg musepack nas ncurses nethack network nls nptl nptlonly nsplugin offensive ogg ogg123 openexr opengl oscar pcre pdf perl pic plotutils png pnm pop posix postscript python quicktime readline recode reiserfs restrict-javascript rle rtc samba sasl schroedinger sdl slang slp smime soap sox spell srt sse sse2 ssl stroke subtitles svg tcltk tcpd tetex theora tidy tiff timidity tools truetype unicode usb userlocales uudeview vcd vim vim-pager vim-syntax vorbis win32codecs wmf x264 x86 xanim xchatdccserver xchattext xcomposite xine xinetd xml xorg xpm xulrunner xv xvid zlib ALSA_CARDS=intel8x0m intel8x0 ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS=dmix share dshare multi null copy empty route rate file softvol linear adpcm alaw asym dsnoop extplug hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat meter mulaw plug shm APACHE2_MODULES=alias charset_lite env imagemap include log_config mime mime_magic negotiation rewrite setenvif userdir ELIBC=glibc INPUT_DEVICES=keyboard mouse joystick KERNEL=linux LCD_DEVICES=bayrad cfontz cfontz633 glk hd44780 lb216 lcdm001 mtxorb ncurses text LINGUAS=en fr zh_TW USERLAND=GNU VIDEO_CARDS=nvidia nv Unset: CPPFLAGS, CTARGET, EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS, FFLAGS, INSTALL_MASK, LANG, LC_ALL, PORTAGE_COMPRESS, PORTAGE_COMPRESS_FLAGS, PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS, PORTDIR_OVERLAY W -- First we just solved it using Mr. Stephen Wolfram's brain. Now we're going to do it. ~DeathMech, S. Sondhi. P-town PHY 205 Sortir en Pantoufles: up 781 days, 13:35
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing outside of Portage cruft removal
If you are installing a package by hand and wants to revert back to
the previous state, best is to :
- when you ./configure it, use the various --prefix directives (do a
./configure --help for information on that)
- when you want to remove, make uninstall in the source dir (so don't
remove it!)
- if it does not have a remove, usually if you install it inside
/home/${username}/whatever, then removing that is fine.
Best thing though is to write an ebuild and then Portage will sandbox
the build so it knows every file that has been installed.
The package knows where to link to when it goes into the ./configure
stage and won't act like windows, installing stuffs into registry or
the like ... everything's nicely contained inside /lib and /share
folders (except /etc files ...which you can safely ignore them there -
those are just text files and you'll know where they are anyway if you
intend to configure miro)
[gentoo-user] Re: Crossover Office and Word 2007
On 2009-01-27, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 27 January 2009 06:29:55 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2009-01-26, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: These are shared documents. I can't just change what they are based on my own preferences. I need an app that WRITES .docx. If Office 2007 is the only one that does it, so be it. But a workaround or another way to skin this cat is not what I need here. In my experience, finding an app that writes .docx isn't going to be good enough if the documents are shared. If you're exporting or importing something just one time, you can get usually away with it after some minor fixing afterwards. But if it's a shared document and needs to be edited multiple times by multiple people, you just can't get away with using two different apps -- hell, not even two different versions of MSWord. If you go back and forth many times, the document will steadily deteriorate with each transition from one app to another. At least that's my experience. That's pretty much the conclusion I came to as well. Thanks for sharing though :-) I realize I'm arguing a moot point, but using something like .docx for shared documents that need to be maintained by multiple people for a long time (more than a month or two) is a dead awful choice. A plain ascii text file is probably the best choice for portability and longevity. However, that suggestion's probably not going to fly because it severly limits the amount of time you can waste picking out eye-shatteringly ugly font combinations and f*king up margins, gutters, leading, and all the other things people like to mess up rather than doing real work. My next choice would probably be something like RTF. If you get into a jam it's mostly-human-readible. If you limit yourself to simple formatting features it's about as portable and robust as anything you can find that allows the inclusion of graphics. The support for vector graphics (e.g. SVG) is pretty slim, but bit-mapped graphics support works pretty well. HTML would seem to be a good choice as well, but even more than RTF you've got to limit what features you use. The only way to keep the file from deteriorating into a mess is to avoid any of WYSIWYG HTML editors. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! does your DRESSING at ROOM have enough ASPARAGUS? visi.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Crossover Office and Word 2007
On Tuesday 27 January 2009 17:46:46 Grant Edwards wrote: I realize I'm arguing a moot point, but using something like .docx for shared documents that need to be maintained by multiple people for a long time (more than a month or two) is a dead awful choice. A plain ascii text file is probably the best choice for portability and longevity. However, that suggestion's probably not going to fly because it severly limits the amount of time you can waste picking out eye-shatteringly ugly font combinations and f*king up margins, gutters, leading, and all the other things people like to mess up rather than doing real work. The management and I have an agreement: They do not get to tell me who gets access to the company's core infrastructure. I do not get to set company policy. The latter applies here. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: Crossover Office and Word 2007
On 2009-01-27, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 27 January 2009 17:46:46 Grant Edwards wrote: I realize I'm arguing a moot point, but using something like .docx for shared documents that need to be maintained by multiple people for a long time (more than a month or two) is a dead awful choice. [...] The management and I have an agreement: They do not get to tell me who gets access to the company's core infrastructure. I do not get to set company policy. The latter applies here. Yea, I assumed something like that to be the case and that it was a moot argument. Perhaps somebody else will learn from it, but those most likely in need probably don't frequent this list -- making it doubly moot. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Boy, am I glad it's at only 1971... visi.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword
I almost forgot - trying to emerge amarok2.0.1.1 is almost guaranteed to fail due to the amarok devs have no clue as to how mysql is built, plus other errors: Indeed. I think it's time for me to drop one more kde app. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=238487 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250870 -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 3:11 AM, Damian damian.o...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, What does it means when the ~amd64 is not one of the keywords used to mask the package? The problem I have is that I would like to install amarok 2 but I cannot unmask it by accepting ~amd64. It is safe to unmask it using ~x86 even though my system is amd64? Before trying to emerge Amarok 2, create (or edit) the file /etc/portage/env/dev-db/mysql and add these lines: CFLAGS=-march=core2 -O2 -ggdb -pipe -DPIC -fPIC CXXFLAGS=-O2 -pipe -DPIC -fPIC (change the march other options to match what you normally use for CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS), the important part here is -DPIC -fPIC then re-emerge mysql if you've already got it installed. After that Amarok should build successfully. If you don't do that, you will waste your time.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Crossover Office and Word 2007
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: On 2009-01-27, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 27 January 2009 06:29:55 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2009-01-26, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: These are shared documents. I can't just change what they are based on my own preferences. I need an app that WRITES .docx. If Office 2007 is the only one that does it, so be it. But a workaround or another way to skin this cat is not what I need here. In my experience, finding an app that writes .docx isn't going to be good enough if the documents are shared. If you're exporting or importing something just one time, you can get usually away with it after some minor fixing afterwards. But if it's a shared document and needs to be edited multiple times by multiple people, you just can't get away with using two different apps -- hell, not even two different versions of MSWord. If you go back and forth many times, the document will steadily deteriorate with each transition from one app to another. At least that's my experience. That's pretty much the conclusion I came to as well. Thanks for sharing though :-) I realize I'm arguing a moot point, but using something like .docx for shared documents that need to be maintained by multiple people for a long time (more than a month or two) is a dead awful choice. A plain ascii text file is probably the best choice for portability and longevity. However, that suggestion's probably not going to fly because it severly limits the amount of time you can waste picking out eye-shatteringly ugly font combinations and f*king up margins, gutters, leading, and all the other things people like to mess up rather than doing real work. My next choice would probably be something like RTF. If you get into a jam it's mostly-human-readible. If you limit yourself to simple formatting features it's about as portable and robust as anything you can find that allows the inclusion of graphics. The support for vector graphics (e.g. SVG) is pretty slim, but bit-mapped graphics support works pretty well. HTML would seem to be a good choice as well, but even more than RTF you've got to limit what features you use. The only way to keep the file from deteriorating into a mess is to avoid any of WYSIWYG HTML editors. Google Apps is great for sharing documents.. You can even have multiple people editing in real-time and see each other's work. It's kind of fun, and all you need is a web browser. Again, irrelevant to the OP since he can't change his company's policy... but good to keep in mind for anyone who can :) Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Digest of gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org issue 1691 (89728-89777)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Crossover Office and Word 2007
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 15:16, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: On 2009-01-27, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 27 January 2009 06:29:55 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2009-01-26, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: These are shared documents. I can't just change what they are based on my own preferences. I need an app that WRITES .docx. If Office 2007 is the only one that does it, so be it. But a workaround or another way to skin this cat is not what I need here. In my experience, finding an app that writes .docx isn't going to be good enough if the documents are shared. If you're exporting or importing something just one time, you can get usually away with it after some minor fixing afterwards. But if it's a shared document and needs to be edited multiple times by multiple people, you just can't get away with using two different apps -- hell, not even two different versions of MSWord. If you go back and forth many times, the document will steadily deteriorate with each transition from one app to another. At least that's my experience. That's pretty much the conclusion I came to as well. Thanks for sharing though :-) I realize I'm arguing a moot point, but using something like .docx for shared documents that need to be maintained by multiple people for a long time (more than a month or two) is a dead awful choice. A plain ascii text file is probably the best choice for portability and longevity. However, that suggestion's probably not going to fly because it severly limits the amount of time you can waste picking out eye-shatteringly ugly font combinations and f*king up margins, gutters, leading, and all the other things people like to mess up rather than doing real work. My next choice would probably be something like RTF. If you get into a jam it's mostly-human-readible. If you limit yourself to simple formatting features it's about as portable and robust as anything you can find that allows the inclusion of graphics. The support for vector graphics (e.g. SVG) is pretty slim, but bit-mapped graphics support works pretty well. HTML would seem to be a good choice as well, but even more than RTF you've got to limit what features you use. The only way to keep the file from deteriorating into a mess is to avoid any of WYSIWYG HTML editors. Google Apps is great for sharing documents.. You can even have multiple people editing in real-time and see each other's work. It's kind of fun, and all you need is a web browser. Again, irrelevant to the OP since he can't change his company's policy... but good to keep in mind for anyone who can :) I had this problem a while ago. I'm using CrossOffice with Word 2000 and needed to open and change some docx. Microsoft launched a compatibility pack for Office 2000, it works great, I'm using it, you may find more info and some tips here: http://stuffem.wordpress.com/2007/07/14/quick-tip-reading-office-2007-docx-files/ -- Daniel da Veiga
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Crossover Office and Word 2007
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Daniel da Veiga danieldave...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 15:16, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: On 2009-01-27, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 27 January 2009 06:29:55 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2009-01-26, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: These are shared documents. I can't just change what they are based on my own preferences. I need an app that WRITES .docx. If Office 2007 is the only one that does it, so be it. But a workaround or another way to skin this cat is not what I need here. In my experience, finding an app that writes .docx isn't going to be good enough if the documents are shared. If you're exporting or importing something just one time, you can get usually away with it after some minor fixing afterwards. But if it's a shared document and needs to be edited multiple times by multiple people, you just can't get away with using two different apps -- hell, not even two different versions of MSWord. If you go back and forth many times, the document will steadily deteriorate with each transition from one app to another. At least that's my experience. That's pretty much the conclusion I came to as well. Thanks for sharing though :-) I realize I'm arguing a moot point, but using something like .docx for shared documents that need to be maintained by multiple people for a long time (more than a month or two) is a dead awful choice. A plain ascii text file is probably the best choice for portability and longevity. However, that suggestion's probably not going to fly because it severly limits the amount of time you can waste picking out eye-shatteringly ugly font combinations and f*king up margins, gutters, leading, and all the other things people like to mess up rather than doing real work. My next choice would probably be something like RTF. If you get into a jam it's mostly-human-readible. If you limit yourself to simple formatting features it's about as portable and robust as anything you can find that allows the inclusion of graphics. The support for vector graphics (e.g. SVG) is pretty slim, but bit-mapped graphics support works pretty well. HTML would seem to be a good choice as well, but even more than RTF you've got to limit what features you use. The only way to keep the file from deteriorating into a mess is to avoid any of WYSIWYG HTML editors. Google Apps is great for sharing documents.. You can even have multiple people editing in real-time and see each other's work. It's kind of fun, and all you need is a web browser. Again, irrelevant to the OP since he can't change his company's policy... but good to keep in mind for anyone who can :) I had this problem a while ago. I'm using CrossOffice with Word 2000 and needed to open and change some docx. Microsoft launched a compatibility pack for Office 2000, it works great, I'm using it, you may find more info and some tips here: http://stuffem.wordpress.com/2007/07/14/quick-tip-reading-office-2007-docx-files/ Of course the compatiblity pack has the same problem, it does not magically give older Office the new features. If someone using Office 2007 actually uses new 2007 features, they will be lost when you open in the older Office version. On the other hand, if the person who created the document isn't using any 2007-exclusive features, they should not use the 2007 format, and then you could avoid this whole nightmare in the first place. Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword
On Tuesday 27 January 2009 18:35:07 Damian wrote: I almost forgot - trying to emerge amarok2.0.1.1 is almost guaranteed to fail due to the amarok devs have no clue as to how mysql is built, plus other errors: Indeed. I think it's time for me to drop one more kde app. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=238487 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250870 I'm sorely tempted to do the same. amarok-2.0.1.1 does eventually compile if you: build mysql or mysql-community with USE=embedded -minimal then build amarok But it just feels ... clunky. The big content panel in the middle is awkward: There's no way I can find to tell amarok which applet you want to go where, with multiple panes in use the animation effect to switch from one to the other is non-intuitive. Eventually by zooming the whole thing out you can see it's 4 panes arranged 2x2 and the animation simulates moving from one to another. But it doesn't *tell* you it's laid out like that so the random motion looks weird. The last played display switches back and forth between a name with cover art format and a long black oval just like the applet selector. Um, which is it supposed to be? And many many other quirks, too many to mention. As a player, it plays OK - sound does come out of the speakers. But players are commodity apps these days. Dump one, use another, easy peasy. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword
On Tuesday 27 January 2009 21:40:29 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 27 January 2009 18:35:07 Damian wrote: I almost forgot - trying to emerge amarok2.0.1.1 is almost guaranteed to fail due to the amarok devs have no clue as to how mysql is built, plus other errors: Indeed. I think it's time for me to drop one more kde app. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=238487 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250870 I'm sorely tempted to do the same. amarok-2.0.1.1 does eventually compile if you: build mysql or mysql-community with USE=embedded -minimal then build amarok But it just feels ... clunky. The big content panel in the middle is awkward: There's no way I can find to tell amarok which applet you want to go where, with multiple panes in use the animation effect to switch from one to the other is non-intuitive. Eventually by zooming the whole thing out you can see it's 4 panes arranged 2x2 and the animation simulates moving from one to another. But it doesn't *tell* you it's laid out like that so the random motion looks weird. The last played display switches back and forth between a name with cover art format and a long black oval just like the applet selector. Um, which is it supposed to be? And many many other quirks, too many to mention. As a player, it plays OK - sound does come out of the speakers. But players are commodity apps these days. Dump one, use another, easy peasy. I have (aka anli) claimed here :-) - http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php/topic,15777.0.html
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Digest of gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org issue 1691 (89728-89777)
Paul Hartman wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Robert Pitkin wrote: unsubscribe Didn't work did it? Try gentoo-user+unsubscr...@gentoo.org and follow the instructions it sends you back. Or read the headers. Specifically: List-Post: mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org List-Help: mailto:gentoo-user+h...@lists.gentoo.org List-Unsubscribe: mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscr...@lists.gentoo.org List-Subscribe: mailto:gentoo-user+subscr...@lists.gentoo.org Most folks don't know about the headers. I didn't until someone mentioned it then I looked at them. Wonder if they got it to work? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword
On Tuesday 27 January 2009 20:52:03 Andrew Gaydenko wrote: On Tuesday 27 January 2009 21:40:29 Alan McKinnon wrote: And many many other quirks, too many to mention. As a player, it plays OK - sound does come out of the speakers. But players are commodity apps these days. Dump one, use another, easy peasy. I have (aka anli) claimed here :-) - http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php/topic,15777.0.html Now that's *much* better. I could even use that :-) Gotta patch? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword
On Tuesday 27 January 2009 22:51:34 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 27 January 2009 20:52:03 Andrew Gaydenko wrote: On Tuesday 27 January 2009 21:40:29 Alan McKinnon wrote: And many many other quirks, too many to mention. As a player, it plays OK - sound does come out of the speakers. But players are commodity apps these days. Dump one, use another, easy peasy. I have (aka anli) claimed here :-) - http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php/topic,15777.0.html Now that's *much* better. I could even use that :-) Gotta patch? Currently I have switched to MPD (which is lirc-izable and has plenty of clients). Will look at A2 evolution...
Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword
Thanks Paul and Alan for your advices. OT: For me it's hard to drop amarok because I cannot find all of its funtionality in one player. For now I'm using mpd+sonata. They're great, but it's just not the same. I guess eventually I'll make my own player :P On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 27 January 2009 18:35:07 Damian wrote: I almost forgot - trying to emerge amarok2.0.1.1 is almost guaranteed to fail due to the amarok devs have no clue as to how mysql is built, plus other errors: Indeed. I think it's time for me to drop one more kde app. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=238487 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250870 I'm sorely tempted to do the same. amarok-2.0.1.1 does eventually compile if you: build mysql or mysql-community with USE=embedded -minimal then build amarok But it just feels ... clunky. The big content panel in the middle is awkward: There's no way I can find to tell amarok which applet you want to go where, with multiple panes in use the animation effect to switch from one to the other is non-intuitive. Eventually by zooming the whole thing out you can see it's 4 panes arranged 2x2 and the animation simulates moving from one to another. But it doesn't *tell* you it's laid out like that so the random motion looks weird. The last played display switches back and forth between a name with cover art format and a long black oval just like the applet selector. Um, which is it supposed to be? And many many other quirks, too many to mention. As a player, it plays OK - sound does come out of the speakers. But players are commodity apps these days. Dump one, use another, easy peasy. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] gentoo mail server
Hey guys, I've been using gentoo on my desktop for several months now. I works great. It cut five minutes off my build time when I build our product tree. It went from 20 to 15 minutes. I setup our email server using Debian. Its been solid as a rock and very low maintenance. However, it provides an antiquated environment. I'm looking at using gentoo for the email so I'll have an up-to-date system. Peformance is fine on the Debian system, but hey, faster is always better. I was hoping you guys could give me warm fuzzies about stability and maintenance with gentoo when it comes to a production server. What about major upgrades? If I keep the system updated regularly, is a major upgrade necessary? Thanks! Tom
[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo mail server
Tom Brown wrote: What about major upgrades? If I keep the system updated regularly, is a major upgrade necessary? Gentoo doesn't have major upgrades so you should be fine. But as you can imagine, you need to give a Gentoo system more love than a Debian one (which is pretty much set it and forget it) due to it's rolling release nature. But since you have Gentoo on your desktop, I'm sure you know your ways about updating and carefully reading emerge logs ;)
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo mail server
On Dienstag 27 Januar 2009, Tom Brown wrote: Hey guys, I've been using gentoo on my desktop for several months now. I works great. It cut five minutes off my build time when I build our product tree. It went from 20 to 15 minutes. I setup our email server using Debian. Its been solid as a rock and very low maintenance. However, it provides an antiquated environment. I'm looking at using gentoo for the email so I'll have an up-to-date system. Peformance is fine on the Debian system, but hey, faster is always better. I was hoping you guys could give me warm fuzzies about stability and maintenance with gentoo when it comes to a production server. What about major upgrades? If I keep the system updated regularly, is a major upgrade necessary? Thanks! Tom a) always build with buildpkg - for backups b) look into demerge c) scan the logs with elogv d) think twice before updating I have gentoo on a small dns/dhcp/web server here for our 'dormitory' and it works well.
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo mail server
On Tuesday 27 January 2009 22:38:21 Tom Brown wrote: Hey guys, I've been using gentoo on my desktop for several months now. I works great. It cut five minutes off my build time when I build our product tree. It went from 20 to 15 minutes. I setup our email server using Debian. Its been solid as a rock and very low maintenance. However, it provides an antiquated environment. I'm looking at using gentoo for the email so I'll have an up-to-date system. Peformance is fine on the Debian system, but hey, faster is always better. I was hoping you guys could give me warm fuzzies about stability and maintenance with gentoo when it comes to a production server. A well administered gentoo box is as stable as a well administered debian box. Or a red hat one. Or a FreeBSD one. And maybe even a Solaris one. By well administered I mean decisions about it made by a sane admin, and there are two roles to this: - building the software. Sane decisions have to be made about what features to include, what compiler settings, what patches etc. - the on-site admin who decides what to deploy and how to run it. The difference between gentoo (and FreeBSD to a lesser extent) on the one hand and binary distros on the other is that with gentoo YOU fill the first role. In binary distros it is someone else. So, if you are confident with this role, go for it and gentoo is for you. If you are not confident with this role, do not use gentoo. Use debian or red hat or centos and you get the warm fuzzy feeling of believing you have someone else to blame for problems :-) There is middle ground of course, but by and large people either can and do take this role fully, or can't and don't. With that out of the way, debian and gentoo mostly use the same upstream sources anyway, so there's no reason to assume things will be majorly different in the stability department. You can prove me wrong any time by installing the latest cvs versions of everything you can get your hands on, but that is crazy for a production machine. What about major upgrades? If I keep the system updated regularly, is a major upgrade necessary? mu google it :-) upgrade does not make sense in a gentoo context - it's like asking if whales are troubled by pimples on their nose. Gentoo is not versioned and does not have releases. What it has is a vast collection of stuff you can build. Most of it is recent but you get to pick the versions of packages you want, and you do it incrementally. Most folks do an update something between weekly and monthly. A sure recipe for disaster is to let updates slide and try do a whole whack of them in on go. Again, it's not the same thing as updating a binary distro with a release. It's more like trying to change large amounts of the OS on the fly - it tends to be problematic. Rule of thumb: update often, know what you are doing, keep an eye on the machines, and forget you ever heard of a thing called an update when working on a gentoo box hth -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] X-forwarding questions
Grant wrote: I just enabled X-forwarding and I've got a few questions for you guys. Should I have any security concerns about doing this? Not more than usual. I assume your online computers have been secured (to a reasonable degree)... Of course if anyone has access to your remote machine (that you run X apps on) they could theoretically listen in on your X session (man xauth for details). It looks like gimp comes through with an older/blockier version of gtk or something. Any way to fix that? Well, gimp is using local resources on the machine you run it on. So it's using whatever version of gtk that is installed on your remote machine. Is it the fonts that are blocky? If so it may be an DPI issue ... I'm starting X-forwarding like 'ssh -XC 192.168.100.1 gimp' and when I close gimp it looks like the terminal is still running the process. Is it supposed to come back to the prompt? Hm... yes, if you are starting gimp that way it may be that ssh doesn't recognise that gimp is closed so it maintains the connection. Have you tried to log in with ssh -X and run it from there instead? Btw, the -C option is unnecessary unless you are using a very slow connection. Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo mail server
2009/1/27 Tom Brown br...@esteem.com Hey guys, I've been using gentoo on my desktop for several months now. I works great. It cut five minutes off my build time when I build our product tree. It went from 20 to 15 minutes. I setup our email server using Debian. Its been solid as a rock and very low maintenance. However, it provides an antiquated environment. I'm looking at using gentoo for the email so I'll have an up-to-date system. Peformance is fine on the Debian system, but hey, faster is always better. I was hoping you guys could give me warm fuzzies about stability and maintenance with gentoo when it comes to a production server. What about major upgrades? If I keep the system updated regularly, is a major upgrade necessary? Thanks! Tom If your planning on running a stable server then managing a gentoo server is probably a bit more time intensive, but will pay of in terms of having it configured how *you* want and with the services *you* want running, not what someone else thinks you should have. As a rule of thumb dont run ~ARCH unless you absolutely need a certain package (and even then, stick to keyword specific versions rather than blindly keywording everything). Dont feel that you need to sync and update every day, but *do* use tools like glsa-check (i think thats the right one but im not in my gentoo isntall to check atm) to ensure you update programs where security bugs are known. Also its worth keeping an eye on things like the forums, and planet as often when updates to packages are likely to break things, or they need some manual intervention when updating, you see some signs of this in advance (although if you see a major update in your emerge list you *should* be stopping and going off to read up on it before blindly emerging). Of course, all these things wont stop you causing breakages, but if you work cautiously and have some idea of what your doing then gentoo does work very well as a server. - Nick
Re: [gentoo-user] X-forwarding questions
I just enabled X-forwarding and I've got a few questions for you guys. Should I have any security concerns about doing this? Not more than usual. I assume your online computers have been secured (to a reasonable degree)... Of course if anyone has access to your remote machine (that you run X apps on) they could theoretically listen in on your X session (man xauth for details). Alright, I won't leave remote gimp open all day then. It looks like gimp comes through with an older/blockier version of gtk or something. Any way to fix that? Well, gimp is using local resources on the machine you run it on. So it's using whatever version of gtk that is installed on your remote machine. Is it the fonts that are blocky? If so it may be an DPI issue ... That's the weird part. Local gimp and remote gimp side-by-side on the same screen look different. For example, the edges of the buttons and widgets in local gimp are rounded but they aren't in remote gimp. Not a big deal though. I'm starting X-forwarding like 'ssh -XC 192.168.100.1 gimp' and when I close gimp it looks like the terminal is still running the process. Is it supposed to come back to the prompt? Hm... yes, if you are starting gimp that way it may be that ssh doesn't recognise that gimp is closed so it maintains the connection. Have you tried to log in with ssh -X and run it from there instead? When I ssh -X, start gimp, close gimp, and close the ssh session, the terminal prompt disappears and only the cursor is visible in the terminal. I have to ctrl+c to bring the prompt back. This doesn't happen with ssh -X unless I open gimp during the session. Btw, the -C option is unnecessary unless you are using a very slow connection. Using -C, gimp is about 10x more responsive than if I don't. I was surprised too. My laptop and the remote system are 15 feet away from each other on the same wireless network, with the router in between. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing outside of Portage cruft removal
If you are installing a package by hand and wants to revert back to
the previous state, best is to :
- when you ./configure it, use the various --prefix directives (do a
./configure --help for information on that)
- when you want to remove, make uninstall in the source dir (so don't
remove it!)
- if it does not have a remove, usually if you install it inside
/home/${username}/whatever, then removing that is fine.
Best thing though is to write an ebuild and then Portage will sandbox
the build so it knows every file that has been installed.
The package knows where to link to when it goes into the ./configure
stage and won't act like windows, installing stuffs into registry or
the like ... everything's nicely contained inside /lib and /share
folders (except /etc files ...which you can safely ignore them there -
those are just text files and you'll know where they are anyway if you
intend to configure miro)
Thanks everyone. I've never been open to manual compile/installation
but I can give it a try now.
- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Damian damian.o...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Paul and Alan for your advices. OT: For me it's hard to drop amarok because I cannot find all of its funtionality in one player. For now I'm using mpd+sonata. They're great, but it's just not the same. I guess eventually I'll make my own player :P I'm a long-time user of KDE3-Amarok and the new Amarok is taking some time to get used to... I do not like at all the way it sorts your collection, it seems to be trying to be too smart. I don't have an assortment of random songs, I have albums, and it's very difficult to get them to display as such. I had no problems in the old Amarok. The fact that half the screen is reserved for docking of plug-ins or widgets or whatever is kind of annoying... It is not intuitive how to arrange them. For example, there is a lyrics plug-in but it only shows about 4 lines of text, which makes it annoying to the point of being useless (unless I want to scroll line-by-line during the entire song). Last.fm works much better in the new Amarok, however. It never quite worked right in the old one. Loving/banning/skipping songs is all very easy now. The big problem I have in Amarok 2 is that it has 2 big major problems: 1. It randomly stops playing and uses 100% until I kill it. This seems to happen not-so-randomly if I try to skip 2 songs in a row. It may be buffering or something. The old Amarok had a similar problem, actually, but it would just crash. 2. It randomly (usually after 5 songs or so) stops producing any sound, though it acts like it is still playing. One song will finish and the next will start but be silent. Quitting Amarok and re-starting causes the sound to work again, for a few songs, and then it goes silent. Overall I would say at this poin, other than the Last.fm support, I prefer the old Amarok in almost every way to the new one. UI was better, performance was better, display of collection was better. Maybe there are some new features that I'm not aware of that might make me love Amarok 2. Thanks, Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing outside of Portage cruft removal
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote:
If you are installing a package by hand and wants to revert back to
the previous state, best is to :
- when you ./configure it, use the various --prefix directives (do a
./configure --help for information on that)
- when you want to remove, make uninstall in the source dir (so don't
remove it!)
- if it does not have a remove, usually if you install it inside
/home/${username}/whatever, then removing that is fine.
Best thing though is to write an ebuild and then Portage will sandbox
the build so it knows every file that has been installed.
The package knows where to link to when it goes into the ./configure
stage and won't act like windows, installing stuffs into registry or
the like ... everything's nicely contained inside /lib and /share
folders (except /etc files ...which you can safely ignore them there -
those are just text files and you'll know where they are anyway if you
intend to configure miro)
Thanks everyone. I've never been open to manual compile/installation
but I can give it a try now.
Once you learn the basics, most programs are the same (configure/make)
and it's not so bad. Obviously the advice to read the README/INSTALL
files is golden, they will almost always tell you what you need to
know.
On my home PC I used to tri-boot OS/2 (my first love), Win95
(wintendo) and Slackware (version 2 or 3?), so back then I think
everything had to be manually configured and compiled pretty much. I
guess it all seems kind of obvious once you already know how to do it.
We've come a long way since then. :)
[gentoo-user] Internet radio?
My dad is interested in some sort of an Internet Radio app for his Gnome desktop. He was thinking of buying a Slingbox but has backed off the idea. For a while we played with iTunes under Wine but that's sort of a mess so I'm looking for something native to Linux. Thanks, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Internet radio?
Does he want to stream audio or listen to streaming audio? If he just wants to listen Rhythmbox (and most audio players) can do that. If he wants to stream, look at icecast. If he buys a slingbox he'll need to run the slingbox software under wine. -Chris On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: My dad is interested in some sort of an Internet Radio app for his Gnome desktop. He was thinking of buying a Slingbox but has backed off the idea. For a while we played with iTunes under Wine but that's sort of a mess so I'm looking for something native to Linux. Thanks, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Internet radio?
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: My dad is interested in some sort of an Internet Radio app for his Gnome desktop. He was thinking of buying a Slingbox but has backed off the idea. For a while we played with iTunes under Wine but that's sort of a mess so I'm looking for something native to Linux. I don't understand what Slingbox has to do with internet radio. Amarok 2 (not gnome) has hundreds of internet radio stations in it... I think most of them are just mp3 streams, so if you get the URL from anywhere out there on the web you should be able to play it with any media player I would think. Check out shoutcast.com.
Re: [gentoo-user] Internet radio?
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: My dad is interested in some sort of an Internet Radio app for his Gnome desktop. He was thinking of buying a Slingbox but has backed off the idea. For a while we played with iTunes under Wine but that's sort of a mess so I'm looking for something native to Linux. I don't understand what Slingbox has to do with internet radio. Amarok 2 (not gnome) has hundreds of internet radio stations in it... I think most of them are just mp3 streams, so if you get the URL from anywhere out there on the web you should be able to play it with any media player I would think. Check out shoutcast.com. Am I wrong about the product name? It was specifically a stand alone Internet radio player. It looks like a clock radio almost that sits by the bed. I'm not finding it on their site now. Wonder if they discontinued it? Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong company. It used to show up on the Pandora site but I don't see it there either. Anyway, I should have stated that he has almost no interest in listening to music. He wants to listen to news form around the world. BBC, NPR and whatever he can find. I was looking at Amarok 2 based on your other thread and that reminded me about this topic. I didn't want to hijack that thread though. What keywords are required to get Amarok 2 to build? I'm not clear what ~*2.0.1.1 means. Thanks, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Internet radio?
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: My dad is interested in some sort of an Internet Radio app for his Gnome desktop. He was thinking of buying a Slingbox but has backed off the idea. For a while we played with iTunes under Wine but that's sort of a mess so I'm looking for something native to Linux. I don't understand what Slingbox has to do with internet radio. Amarok 2 (not gnome) has hundreds of internet radio stations in it... I think most of them are just mp3 streams, so if you get the URL from anywhere out there on the web you should be able to play it with any media player I would think. Check out shoutcast.com. Am I wrong about the product name? It was specifically a stand alone Internet radio player. It looks like a clock radio almost that sits by the bed. I'm not finding it on their site now. Wonder if they discontinued it? Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong company. It used to show up on the Pandora site but I don't see it there either. Anyway, I should have stated that he has almost no interest in listening to music. He wants to listen to news form around the world. BBC, NPR and whatever he can find. I was looking at Amarok 2 based on your other thread and that reminded me about this topic. I didn't want to hijack that thread though. What keywords are required to get Amarok 2 to build? I'm not clear what ~*2.0.1.1 means. Slingbox is for streaming your TV to and remotely controlling it from a PC or Cell Phone. (I've got one -- doesn't work on Linux, though. booo) My dad has one of those portable internet radios, I don't know the name but it works well and he seems to be pleased with it. (As long as you're in wifi range)
Re: [gentoo-user] Internet radio?
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP What keywords are required to get Amarok 2 to build? I'm not clear what ~*2.0.1.1 means. So from the man page it says that ~* means: This version is masked by missing keyword, stable on no architecture, but unstable on an alien architecture. Is there a way for me to build this for an amd64 machine? I tried portage.keywords with: media-sound/amarok ~amd64 *~ Do I need something in portage.unmask? Slingbox is for streaming your TV to and remotely controlling it from a PC or Cell Phone. (I've got one -- doesn't work on Linux, though. booo) My dad has one of those portable internet radios, I don't know the name but it works well and he seems to be pleased with it. (As long as you're in wifi range) So is it the same company? I remember it being the same guys. I'm thinking maybe they dropped the product. No matter. Mostly just confusion on my part. Thanks, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Internet radio?
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:03:41 -0800 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP What keywords are required to get Amarok 2 to build? I'm not clear what ~*2.0.1.1 means. So from the man page it says that ~* means: This version is masked by missing keyword, stable on no architecture, but unstable on an alien architecture. Is there a way for me to build this for an amd64 machine? I tried portage.keywords with: media-sound/amarok ~amd64 *~ Do I need something in portage.unmask? Masked by missing keyword requires: media-sound/amarok ** in package.keywords if I remember correctly signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Internet radio?
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Kenneth Prugh ken69...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:03:41 -0800 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP What keywords are required to get Amarok 2 to build? I'm not clear what ~*2.0.1.1 means. So from the man page it says that ~* means: This version is masked by missing keyword, stable on no architecture, but unstable on an alien architecture. Is there a way for me to build this for an amd64 machine? I tried portage.keywords with: media-sound/amarok ~amd64 *~ Do I need something in portage.unmask? Masked by missing keyword requires: media-sound/amarok ** in package.keywords if I remember correctly Thanks. That does seem to wake things up. Not sure now if I want to do this. It's forcing me to unmask lots of KDE-4 packages and also to rebuild mysql with an 'embedded' flag. I seem to remember something about that causing problems for mythtv. Not sure. Thanks, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Internet radio?
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Kenneth Prugh ken69...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:03:41 -0800 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP What keywords are required to get Amarok 2 to build? I'm not clear what ~*2.0.1.1 means. So from the man page it says that ~* means: This version is masked by missing keyword, stable on no architecture, but unstable on an alien architecture. Is there a way for me to build this for an amd64 machine? I tried portage.keywords with: media-sound/amarok ~amd64 *~ Do I need something in portage.unmask? Masked by missing keyword requires: media-sound/amarok ** in package.keywords if I remember correctly Thanks. That does seem to wake things up. Not sure now if I want to do this. It's forcing me to unmask lots of KDE-4 packages and also to rebuild mysql with an 'embedded' flag. I seem to remember something about that causing problems for mythtv. Not sure. Thanks, Mark I give up. I'm at 17 packages I have to unmask and I don't know how to get portage to give me the list of all packages that have to be unmasked. This jsut goes on and on, one package at a time. I think it's not reasonable for me to build this at this time. Thanks for your help, Mark media-sound/amarok ~amd64 ** =kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.1 ~amd64 =kde-base/kdepimlibs-3.1 ~amd64 =kde-base/kdelibs-4.1 ~amd64 =dev-util/cmake-2.6.2 ~amd64 =app-misc/strigi-0.5.7 ~amd64 dev-libs/soprano ~amd64 =kde-base/kdebase-data-4.1 ~amd64 =kde-base/qimageblitz-0.0.4 ~amd64 =media-sound/phonon-4.2.0 ~amd64 =kde-base/automoc-0.9.87 ~amd64 app-office/akonadi-server ~amd64 =kde-base/libkworkspace-4.1.4 ~amd64 =kde-base/soliduiserver-4.1.4 ~amd64 =kde-base/libtaskmanager-4.1.4 ~amd64 =kde-base/libplasma-4.1.4 ~amd64 =kde-base/kde-menu-icons-4.1.4 ~amd64
[gentoo-user] Re: Internet radio?
On 2009-01-28, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: I give up. I'm at 17 packages I have to unmask and I don't know how to get portage to give me the list of all packages that have to be unmasked. This jsut goes on and on, one package at a time. Yup, that's pretty annoying. I've been through that exercise a couple times: running an emerge 20-30 times -- each time getting one more package name to unmask. Each time thinking that there must be some magic equery or emerge incantation that will give me the whole list, but there can't be _that_ many more packges left, so I'll just run emerge one more time... -- Grant
[gentoo-user] emerge --sync kde-base/
Hello, I'm wondering. Is it posible to emerge --sync part of the tree. For example, I want to only sync kde-base/ and kde-misc/? Thanks in advance, Norberto
Re: [gentoo-user] Internet radio?
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:30:38 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: I give up. I'm at 17 packages I have to unmask and I don't know how to get portage to give me the list of all packages that have to be unmasked. emerge autounmask. -- Neil Bothwick Never ask a geek why, just nod your head and slowly back away signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Internet radio?
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:03:41 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: My dad has one of those portable internet radios, I don't know the name but it works well and he seems to be pleased with it. (As long as you're in wifi range) So is it the same company? I remember it being the same guys. I'm thinking maybe they dropped the product. Several companies make Internet/Wi-Fi enabled radios. Google for wifi internet radio. -- Neil Bothwick I am McCoy of Borg. He's assimilated, Jim! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Internet radio?
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:03:41 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: My dad has one of those portable internet radios, I don't know the name but it works well and he seems to be pleased with it. (As long as you're in wifi range) So is it the same company? I remember it being the same guys. I'm thinking maybe they dropped the product. Several companies make Internet/Wi-Fi enabled radios. Google for wifi internet radio. -- Neil Bothwick Thanks. That shows it was Roku I was thinking of and not SlingMedia. Roku make the SoundBridge Radio. I guess what I'd be looking for in portage is something similar in software. Amarok 2 looks interesting. MAybe the autounmerge will give me a better idea what I'm up against to build it. Thanks, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --sync kde-base/
2009/1/28 Norberto Bensa nbe...@gmail.com Hello, I'm wondering. Is it posible to emerge --sync part of the tree. For example, I want to only sync kde-base/ and kde-misc/? Thanks in advance, Norberto Have a look in make.conf.example, i believe there are some options to filter the tree, there may have been something on the forums too that helped trim the tree down aswell so theres no harm in searching there. - Nick
Re: [gentoo-user] Internet radio?
2009/1/27 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com paul.hartman%2bgen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: My dad is interested in some sort of an Internet Radio app for his Gnome desktop. He was thinking of buying a Slingbox but has backed off the idea. For a while we played with iTunes under Wine but that's sort of a mess so I'm looking for something native to Linux. I don't understand what Slingbox has to do with internet radio. Amarok 2 (not gnome) has hundreds of internet radio stations in it... I think most of them are just mp3 streams, so if you get the URL from anywhere out there on the web you should be able to play it with any media player I would think. Check out shoutcast.com. Am I wrong about the product name? It was specifically a stand alone Internet radio player. It looks like a clock radio almost that sits by the bed. I'm not finding it on their site now. Wonder if they discontinued it? Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong company. It used to show up on the Pandora site but I don't see it there either. Anyway, I should have stated that he has almost no interest in listening to music. He wants to listen to news form around the world. BBC, NPR and whatever he can find. I was looking at Amarok 2 based on your other thread and that reminded me about this topic. I didn't want to hijack that thread though. What keywords are required to get Amarok 2 to build? I'm not clear what ~*2.0.1.1 means. Thanks, Mark Be aware that amarok2 is currently broken on amd64 (hence the mask) due to problems with mysql (which it now requires by default). If you look back in the archives there have been threads explaining how to work around it and get mysql working so amarok2 builds ok. - Nick
Re: [gentoo-user] Internet radio?
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Kenneth Prugh ken69...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:03:41 -0800
Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Paul Hartman
paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
What keywords are required to get Amarok 2 to build? I'm not clear
what ~*2.0.1.1 means.
So from the man page it says that ~* means:
This version is masked by missing keyword, stable on no
architecture, but unstable
on an alien architecture.
Is there a way for me to build this for an amd64 machine? I tried
portage.keywords with:
media-sound/amarok ~amd64 *~
Do I need something in portage.unmask?
Masked by missing keyword requires:
media-sound/amarok **
in package.keywords if I remember correctly
Thanks. That does seem to wake things up.
Not sure now if I want to do this. It's forcing me to unmask lots of
KDE-4 packages and also to rebuild mysql with an 'embedded' flag. I
seem to remember something about that causing problems for mythtv. Not
sure.
Thanks,
Mark
I give up. I'm at 17 packages I have to unmask and I don't know how to
get portage to give me the list of all packages that have to be
unmasked. This jsut goes on and on, one package at a time.
I think it's not reasonable for me to build this at this time.
Thanks for your help,
Mark
media-sound/amarok ~amd64 **
=kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.1 ~amd64
=kde-base/kdepimlibs-3.1 ~amd64
=kde-base/kdelibs-4.1 ~amd64
=dev-util/cmake-2.6.2 ~amd64
=app-misc/strigi-0.5.7 ~amd64
dev-libs/soprano ~amd64
=kde-base/kdebase-data-4.1 ~amd64
=kde-base/qimageblitz-0.0.4 ~amd64
=media-sound/phonon-4.2.0 ~amd64
=kde-base/automoc-0.9.87 ~amd64
app-office/akonadi-server ~amd64
=kde-base/libkworkspace-4.1.4 ~amd64
=kde-base/soliduiserver-4.1.4 ~amd64
=kde-base/libtaskmanager-4.1.4 ~amd64
=kde-base/libplasma-4.1.4 ~amd64
=kde-base/kde-menu-icons-4.1.4 ~amd64
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~amd64 emerge -p xorg-x11|awk '/ebuild/{print $4
}'|sed 's/-[0-9].*/ ~amd64/' /etc/portage/package.keywords
Replace xorg-x11 with your package and ~amd64 with the keyword for the
package you are trying to unmask.
--Joshua Doll
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --sync kde-base/
Norberto Bensa wrote: Hello, I'm wondering. Is it posible to emerge --sync part of the tree. For example, I want to only sync kde-base/ and kde-misc/? Thanks in advance, Norberto No, there isn't. You wouldn't want to try either - there will be relevant files in other parts of the tree (eg. eclasses, related packages in other categories) that you'll also want to make sure are up-to-date. AllenJB
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --sync kde-base/
2009/1/28 AllenJB gentoo-li...@allenjb.me.uk Norberto Bensa wrote: Hello, I'm wondering. Is it posible to emerge --sync part of the tree. For example, I want to only sync kde-base/ and kde-misc/? Thanks in advance, Norberto No, there isn't. You wouldn't want to try either - there will be relevant files in other parts of the tree (eg. eclasses, related packages in other categories) that you'll also want to make sure are up-to-date. AllenJB Agreed, i certainly wouldnt recommend it, if its a space issue your better off looking at compressing the tree, or if its speed then mounting it in RAM (or some other method, theres plenty of guides on the forums for just this). If you *really* want to, then the best (and perhaps only?) way is to use the make.conf option to pass options to rsync and then use this to tell rsync to exclude certain directories, although do note that if you try this it is totally unsupported and will likely get you flamed/ignored/laughed at if you encounter problems :) - Nick
Re: [gentoo-user] Internet radio?
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:30:38 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: I give up. I'm at 17 packages I have to unmask and I don't know how to get portage to give me the list of all packages that have to be unmasked. emerge autounmask. seconded, autounmask is the best invention since electricity :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Internet radio?
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:30:38 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: I give up. I'm at 17 packages I have to unmask and I don't know how to get portage to give me the list of all packages that have to be unmasked. emerge autounmask. seconded, autounmask is the best invention since electricity :) Yeah - once I figured out what it was doing it was a perfect solution. I ended up with 31 packages added to package.keywords and 12 to package.unmask. Big time saver. The one thing I'm not liking about it was it is that it created /etc/portagexs which now stops me from bash auto-completing my tab commands the way I'm used to doing it for all these years. A trade off... thanks, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Internet radio?
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Nick Cunningham n...@monkeydust.net wrote: 2009/1/27 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: My dad is interested in some sort of an Internet Radio app for his Gnome desktop. He was thinking of buying a Slingbox but has backed off the idea. For a while we played with iTunes under Wine but that's sort of a mess so I'm looking for something native to Linux. I don't understand what Slingbox has to do with internet radio. Amarok 2 (not gnome) has hundreds of internet radio stations in it... I think most of them are just mp3 streams, so if you get the URL from anywhere out there on the web you should be able to play it with any media player I would think. Check out shoutcast.com. Am I wrong about the product name? It was specifically a stand alone Internet radio player. It looks like a clock radio almost that sits by the bed. I'm not finding it on their site now. Wonder if they discontinued it? Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong company. It used to show up on the Pandora site but I don't see it there either. Anyway, I should have stated that he has almost no interest in listening to music. He wants to listen to news form around the world. BBC, NPR and whatever he can find. I was looking at Amarok 2 based on your other thread and that reminded me about this topic. I didn't want to hijack that thread though. What keywords are required to get Amarok 2 to build? I'm not clear what ~*2.0.1.1 means. Thanks, Mark Be aware that amarok2 is currently broken on amd64 (hence the mask) due to problems with mysql (which it now requires by default). If you look back in the archives there have been threads explaining how to work around it and get mysql working so amarok2 builds ok. - Nick Thanks. I'm going to build it on ~x86 instead. cheers, Mark
[gentoo-user] Re: emerge --sync kde-base/
Thanks NIck and AllenJB I just wanted kde-4.2 like in: hey! I want kde 4.2 and I want it right now! :-) Anyway, I already have it.
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo mail server
Tom Brown wrote: Hey guys, I've been using gentoo on my desktop for several months now. I works great. It cut five minutes off my build time when I build our product tree. It went from 20 to 15 minutes. I setup our email server using Debian. Its been solid as a rock and very low maintenance. However, it provides an antiquated environment. I'm looking at using gentoo for the email so I'll have an up-to-date system. Peformance is fine on the Debian system, but hey, faster is always better. I was hoping you guys could give me warm fuzzies about stability and maintenance with gentoo when it comes to a production server. What about major upgrades? If I keep the system updated regularly, is a major upgrade necessary? I've been running a Gentoo mail server for either work or personal use and usually both since 2001. No real problems, but you do have to watch some updates especially sasl and courier. My current system is Postfix-2.5 At minimum I'd use Postfix-2.2 which has the better syntax for your virtual statements. Postgrey for greylisting, had some issues with sqlgrey. PostfixAdmin, because using phpmyadmin to manage your accounts and domains is futile. I'm still on 2.1 and need to check out the newer version. Requires PHP and a webserver. courier-imap and cyrus-sasl. Thinking about moving to Dovecot since you can use dovecot-sasl with Postfix under Gentoo. Mysql5 It's fully virtual, supports smtp and imap over ssl, sasl, skipped TLS, and easy to manage. I do not recommend the Gentoo Virtual How-to, it's ancient and silly. I used to have a how-to on gentoo-wiki which I need to recreate. Maybe this weekend. In regards to stability... don't update right away. When Postfix 2.6 comes out, give it a month. Or play with it in a virtual server. Same with Mysql 5.1. Or whatever. I've run three separate companies on Gentoo and never had much of an issue though I always had a test/stage/qa environment of some sort. Also keep an eye on the forums and this mail list. That'll usually give you a heads up when an update isn't quite right. kashani
Re: [gentoo-user] Internet radio?
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Nick Cunningham n...@monkeydust.net wrote: 2009/1/27 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: My dad is interested in some sort of an Internet Radio app for his Gnome desktop. He was thinking of buying a Slingbox but has backed off the idea. For a while we played with iTunes under Wine but that's sort of a mess so I'm looking for something native to Linux. I don't understand what Slingbox has to do with internet radio. Amarok 2 (not gnome) has hundreds of internet radio stations in it... I think most of them are just mp3 streams, so if you get the URL from anywhere out there on the web you should be able to play it with any media player I would think. Check out shoutcast.com. Am I wrong about the product name? It was specifically a stand alone Internet radio player. It looks like a clock radio almost that sits by the bed. I'm not finding it on their site now. Wonder if they discontinued it? Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong company. It used to show up on the Pandora site but I don't see it there either. Anyway, I should have stated that he has almost no interest in listening to music. He wants to listen to news form around the world. BBC, NPR and whatever he can find. I was looking at Amarok 2 based on your other thread and that reminded me about this topic. I didn't want to hijack that thread though. What keywords are required to get Amarok 2 to build? I'm not clear what ~*2.0.1.1 means. Thanks, Mark Be aware that amarok2 is currently broken on amd64 (hence the mask) due to problems with mysql (which it now requires by default). If you look back in the archives there have been threads explaining how to work around it and get mysql working so amarok2 builds ok. - Nick I'm using the live build (amarok- from kde-testing overlay) as for the past week or two, it built works (with the previously mentioned quirks) on my ~amd64 with kde 4.2 and mysql built with PIC as described in the other thread.
[gentoo-user] INT_(MIN,MAX) is missing from limits.h
and...@andrey-laptop ~ $ echo '#include limits.h' | gcc -E -o - -x c - |grep INT and...@andrey-laptop ~ $ echo '#include limits.h' | gcc -D_POSIX -D _USE_GNU -E -o - -x c - |grep INT and...@andrey-laptop ~ $ echo '#include limits.h' | gcc -D_POSIX -D _USE_GNU --std=c99 -E -o - -x c - |grep INT and...@andrey-laptop ~ $ echo '#include limits.h' | gcc -D_POSIX -D _USE_GNU --std=c99 -E -o - -x c - |grep INT and...@andrey-laptop ~ $ echo '#include limits.h' | gcc -D_POSIX -D _USE_GNU --std=gnu99 -E -o - -x c - |grep INT and...@andrey-laptop ~ $ echo '#include limits.h' | gcc -D_POSIX -D _USE_GNU --std=gnu99 -E -o - -x c - |grep INT and...@andrey-laptop ~ $ q file /usr/include/limits.h sys-libs/glibc (/usr/include/limits.h) and...@andrey-laptop ~ $ sudo emerge --info Portage 2.1.6.7 (default/linux/amd64/2008.0/desktop, gcc-4.3.2, glibc-2.8_p20080602-r1, 2.6.28-gentoo-r1 x86_64) = System uname: linux-2.6.28-gentoo-r1-x86_64-intel-r-_core-tm-2_duo_cpu_t94...@_2.53ghz-with-gentoo-2.0.0 Timestamp of tree: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:00:01 + ccache version 2.4 [enabled] app-shells/bash: 3.2_p48 dev-java/java-config: 1.3.7-r1, 2.1.6-r1 dev-lang/python: 2.4.4-r15, 2.5.2-r8, 2.6.1, 3.0-r1 dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r6 dev-util/ccache: 2.4-r8 dev-util/cmake: 2.6.2-r1 sys-apps/baselayout: 2.0.0 sys-apps/openrc: 0.4.2 sys-apps/sandbox:1.3.2 sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.63 sys-devel/automake: 1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r2, 1.10.2 sys-devel/binutils: 2.19 sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.4.0-r4 sys-devel/libtool: 2.2.6a virtual/os-headers: 2.6.28-r1 ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=amd64 ~amd64 CBUILD=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu CFLAGS=-O2 -pipe -march=native -g -ggdb CHOST=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc /usr/kde/3.5/env /usr/kde/3.5/share/config /usr/kde/3.5/shutdown /usr/kde/4.1/env /usr/kde/4.1/share/config /usr/kde/4.1/shutdown /usr/share/config /var/lib/hsqldb CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/ca-certificates.conf /etc/env.d /etc/env.d/java/ /etc/fonts/fonts.conf /etc/gconf /etc/gentoo-release /etc/initng/daemon /etc/initng/net /etc/initng/system /etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/sandbox.d /etc/terminfo /etc/texmf/language.dat.d /etc/texmf/language.def.d /etc/texmf/updmap.d /etc/texmf/web2c /etc/udev/rules.d CXXFLAGS=-O2 -pipe -march=native -g -ggdb DISTDIR=/usr/portage/distfiles FEATURES=ccache distlocks fixpackages nostrip parallel-fetch preserve-libs protect-owned sandbox sfperms splitdebug strict unmerge-orphans userfetch userpriv GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://gentoo.mirrors.pair.com/ http://gentoo.netnitco.net http://gentoo.osuosl.org/ http://gentoo.llarian.net/ http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo http://gentoo.mirrors.tds.net/gentoo http://osmirrors.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/gentoo/ http://lug.mtu.edu/gentoo/ ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo http://gentoo.chem.wisc.edu/gentoo/; LANG=en_CA.UTF-8 LC_ALL=en_CA.UTF-8 LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1 LINGUAS=en en_US MAKEOPTS=-j4 PKGDIR=/usr/portage/packages PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS=--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times --compress --force --whole-file --delete --stats --timeout=180 --exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local --exclude=/packages PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/var/tmp PORTDIR=/usr/portage PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/usr/local/portage/layman/desktop-effects /usr/local/portage/layman/java-overlay /usr/local/portage/layman/pro-audio /usr/local/portage/layman/sunrise /usr/local/portage/layman/lxde /usr/local/portage/layman/pcsx2 /usr/local/portage/layman/science /usr/local/portage/layman/python-experimental /usr/local/portage/layman/pd-overlay /usr/local/portage/layman/initng /usr/local/portage/layman/n4g /usr/local/portage/layman/kde-crazy /usr/local/portage/layman/wschlich-testing /usr/local/portage/layman/kde-testing SYNC=rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage USE=64bit 7zip S3TC X a52 aac aalib acct acl acpi ads aften akonadi allegro alsa amd64 amr amrnb amrr amrwb animgif annotate antlr apache2 apidocs ares arts artworkextra ass audiofile avahi background badval bash-completion battery bcel bcmath bcp berkdb bidi big-tables binary-drivers bjam bl blas blender-game bluetooth bonjour bonusscripts boost bugzilla builder bwscheduler bzip2 c++ cairo canna caps captury ccache cdaudio cdda cddb cdinstall cdio cdparanoia cdr cdsound cgi cgraph chardet chasen chm chroot cjk clucene colordiff commonsnet compat connectionstatus consolekit contrib corba corefonts coverage cpufreq cracklib crypt cscope css ctype cups cupsddk curl curlwrappers custom-cpuopts custom-optimization cviewer cvs cvsgraph cxx cyrillic dar64 dbm dbus dc1394 debug detex devil dga dhclient dhcp dhcpcd dia dialup dirac discouraged divx djbfft djvu dmi dnotify dosformat double-precision dri dso dssi dts dv dvd dvdr dvdread dvi2tty dynamic editor emerald enblend enca encode eolconv epydoc erandom escreen esd etc-proposals etwin examples exif exiv2 expat fam fbcon fbdev fbsplash ffmpeg fftw file file-icons firefox firefox3 fits flac flash flexresp flexresp2 fltk fluidsynth
[gentoo-user] How to remove packages from /usr/portage/packages ?
Is there some automated way to remove the packages I created with 'quickpkg' and reside inside /usr/portage/packages without doing it by hand? I don't mean 'eclean'. That won't remove those that are installed.
