Re: [gentoo-user] How to exclude a directory from rsync
On 11/25/10 22:51:36, Renat Golubchyk wrote: On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 23:01:51 + Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 16 November 2010 22:26:28 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 2010-11-16 22:24, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Apparently, though unproven, at 23:12 on Tuesday 16 November 2010, Mick did opine thusly: Excellent, it worked! :-) Glad to hear it. I could help because part of my job is running a rather big public ftp mirror that management graciously pay for. And I went down this rsync road a long time ago myself. You have no idea how many brain cells died in agony to figure out this specific piece of rsync behaviour :-) ;-) I would like to know if my suggestion also works ;-) Yeah, include/exclude-patterns are rather hard to figure out sometimes ... nearly like regexes - write once, read never Ha, ha! True! Stefan, I tried escaping the spaces (even tried \\ double and \\\ triple escapes in case it makes a difference because of using ssh) but still did not work. In my head I couldn't see how the full path would not work, but the relative path would, but I tried it out all the same. I still don't understand why Alan's recommendation works ;-) I'm probably late with my reply, but I'll post it so it will be in the archives for future reference. The man page is actually pretty clear on this issue. Quote: if the pattern starts with a / then it is anchored to a particular spot in the hierarchy of files, otherwise it is matched against the end of the pathname. This is similar to a leading ^ in regular expressions. Thus /foo would match a name of foo at either the root of the transfer (for a global rule) or in the merge-file’s directory (for a per-directory rule). An unqualified foo would match a name of foo anywhere in the tree because the algorithm is applied recursively from the top down; it behaves as if each path component gets a turn at being the end of the filename. Even the unanchored sub/foo would match at any point in the hierarchy where a foo was found within a directory named sub. Root of the transfer is the directory you want to sync. Thus, if you run e.g. rsync /var/log/ /mnt/backups/ --exclude=/portage/ then root of the transfer is /var/log, and therefore the directory /var/log/portage will be excluded. If on the other hand you write --exclude=portage/ then a directory named portage anywhere in the tree under /var/log will be excluded. Without the trailing slash, i.e. just --exclude=portage any file (regular file, directory, link, whatever) named portage anywhere in the tree gets excluded. And finally --exclude=/portage would exclude a file only at the top of the tree that is going to be synchronsed. Let me add some caveat which has trapped me recently. I had (in your terms) rsync /var/log/ /mnt/backups/ --delete --exclude=/portage/ and /var/log/portage was just a symlink to some other directory while /mnt/backups/portage was a real directory. In that case rsync deletes /mnt/backups/portage ! It looks as if the directory property is check in the source tree only. Quite an unpleasant surprise. Helmut.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486
On Friday 26 November 2010 06:07:58 sam new wrote: Thanks all, I have a question , when we build the system, always use host client to build the toolchain , then GCC Glibc ...kernel some unity ... from source ,but where the frist system come from ,does it build using the Assembly language or machine language? I mean just give you X86 hardware and power , no OS, no livd cd . I am afraid it is out of this topic.but it always puzzled me :-) You need a LiveCD and a *good* reason (unless you're just playing) to build a system from stage 1. Have a read here: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-830228-start-0.html -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] 200-line patch to kernel = superkernel
Am 2010-11-25 16:37, schrieb Florian Philipp: Anyway, if you want my solution, here it is, although it's mostly copy'n'paste from the original link: [...] Hope this helps, Florian Philipp Thanks a lot for that howto, Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] kde-l10n-4.4.5 and en_GB?
On Wednesday 24 November 2010 21:10:38 Arttu V. wrote: Bug #343523 ? I thought not at first, but now I'm less sure. I'll wait for the patch by Andreas Hüttel to work its way into portage. Meanwhile, just to make a bit of progress, I've compiled kde-l10n with LINGUAS=en. Oh, and setting -j1 in MAKEOPTS didn't help, Mick. -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
Re: [gentoo-user] copy paste problem from any app other than Konsole to Konsole
On Thursday 25 November 2010 12:54:07 Coert Waagmeester wrote: Using ksh in konsole. Whenever I select something in any app apart from Konsole, and middle click paste it in Konsole, it does not paste exactly as it should. I have attached a screenshot where I copy from Firefox to Konsole. What could be the reason for this? I don't know, but pasting into Konsole works fine with bash. -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486
thanks mick ,that not my meaning, it is not about how to install gentoo On 26 November 2010 16:58, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 26 November 2010 06:07:58 sam new wrote: Thanks all, I have a question , when we build the system, always use host client to build the toolchain , then GCC Glibc ...kernel some unity ... from source ,but where the frist system come from ,does it build using the Assembly language or machine language? I mean just give you X86 hardware and power , no OS, no livd cd . I am afraid it is out of this topic.but it always puzzled me :-) You need a LiveCD and a *good* reason (unless you're just playing) to build a system from stage 1. Have a read here: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-830228-start-0.html -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486
thanks mick ,I am afraid that is not my meaning, it is not about how to install gentoo . where the frist system come from ,does it build using the Assembly language or machine language? I mean just give you X86 hardware and power , no OS, no livd cd . how to build On 26 November 2010 16:58, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 26 November 2010 06:07:58 sam new wrote: Thanks all, I have a question , when we build the system, always use host client to build the toolchain , then GCC Glibc ...kernel some unity ... from source ,but where the frist system come from ,does it build using the Assembly language or machine language? I mean just give you X86 hardware and power , no OS, no livd cd . I am afraid it is out of this topic.but it always puzzled me :-) You need a LiveCD and a *good* reason (unless you're just playing) to build a system from stage 1. Have a read here: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-830228-start-0.html -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] usb write delay
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 07:31:48 +0100 Florian Philipp wrote: Am 23.11.2010 04:52, schrieb David Relson: I'd like to reduce the time delay between a command or program's writing to a file on a flash drive and when ext2 actually writes the data to the drive. How can I do this? Mount with the option commit=x where x is a time in seconds. 0 means default (=5). Hope this helps, Florian Philipp It doesn't work for my USB memory stick which has the default filesystem, i.e. vfat According to mount's man page, commit=n is for ext3.
Re: [gentoo-user] usb write delay
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:04:54 -0600 Paul Hartman wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:52 PM, David Relson rel...@osagesoftware.com wrote: I'd like to reduce the time delay between a command or program's writing to a file on a flash drive and when ext2 actually writes the data to the drive. How can I do this? In addition to Florian's tip, you can also remove the delay completely by mounting with sync option. This may negatively impact performance. Alternatively you can leave it caching as normal and then issue the sync command when you're done doing your USB operations and it'll flush remaining data to the flash drive immediately. (I think unmount/eject will do this too.) That's what I usually do. Sync really, really slows down writes, at least for a solid state drive. I'm looking for a way to avoid that slowdown without the dangers of a user yanking a flash drive before the cache is completely written out.
Re: [gentoo-user] the origins of Unix
On 26/11/2010, at 6:07am, sam new wrote: Thanks all, I have a question , when we build the system, always use host client to build the toolchain , then GCC Glibc ...kernel some unity ... from source ,but where the frist system come from ,does it build using the Assembly language or machine language? I mean just give you X86 hardware and power , no OS, no livd cd . I am afraid it is out of this topic.but it always puzzled me :-) I think you want to know which came first - the chicken or the egg? For a few years, operating systems were indeed written in assembler. Then, c 1970, Unix was the first operating system written in a higher-level programming language, C. Likewise, I guess, the first compilers would be written in assembler, until one was written that could compile itself and become self-hosting. Thus new compilers and operating systems can now be written in higher-level languages (although C isn't very high-level) and compiled using an existing compiler. That Unix was written in C is what has lead to its ubiquity - until then every different brand of computer had its own operating system, usually written by the manufacturer. Written in assembly, these were non-portable. Writing the operating system in C allowed it to be ported to different hardware architectures, and programs could be written that would run on all the different systems out there (as long as those ran Unix). Linux was written on a Minix system, Minix was written c 1987 and so might have been written on one of the BSDs that was around then; the BSDs were probably written on an ATT Unix. When Intel produce a new chip - or gcc wants to support a new architecture - they rewrite the compiler (the backend part of it) to output machine code to suit the new chip's instruction set (which will be different from that of other chips - PPC vs ARM vs MIPS vs x86). The compiled code is then transferred to the new machine and fingers are crossed as everyone waits to see if it boots. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Unix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiler Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] the origins of Unix
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:09 on Friday 26 November 2010, Stroller did opine thusly: On 26/11/2010, at 6:07am, sam new wrote: Thanks all, I have a question , when we build the system, always use host client to build the toolchain , then GCC Glibc ...kernel some unity ... from source ,but where the frist system come from ,does it build using the Assembly language or machine language? I mean just give you X86 hardware and power , no OS, no livd cd . I am afraid it is out of this topic.but it always puzzled me :-) I think you want to know which came first - the chicken or the egg? For a few years, operating systems were indeed written in assembler. Then, c 1970, Unix was the first operating system written in a higher-level programming language, C. Likewise, I guess, the first compilers would be written in assembler, until one was written that could compile itself and become self-hosting. Thus new compilers and operating systems can now be written in higher-level languages (although C isn't very high-level) and compiled using an existing compiler. That Unix was written in C is what has lead to its ubiquity - until then every different brand of computer had its own operating system, usually written by the manufacturer. Written in assembly, these were non-portable. Writing the operating system in C allowed it to be ported to different hardware architectures, and programs could be written that would run on all the different systems out there (as long as those ran Unix). Linux was written on a Minix system, Minix was written c 1987 and so might have been written on one of the BSDs that was around then; the BSDs were probably written on an ATT Unix. When Intel produce a new chip - or gcc wants to support a new architecture - they rewrite the compiler (the backend part of it) to output machine code to suit the new chip's instruction set (which will be different from that of other chips - PPC vs ARM vs MIPS vs x86). The compiled code is then transferred to the new machine and fingers are crossed as everyone waits to see if it boots. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Unix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiler Stroller. One could ask the question where did the first assembler come from? Just as the first OSes and compilers were written in assembler to bootstrap C, so the first assemblers were written in hex codes to bootstrap the assembler. But hex code editors ran software, so where did the first hex code input gadget come from? And the answer to that is that it was written in binary. Yes that's right - a panel with 16 toggle switches and a few pushbuttons. Those didn't require software as everything was implemented in hardware. So now you know :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] the origins of Unix
wow, you both did a good job , I asked lots of people and they did't say very clear, it suddenly enlightened me, thanks all. On 26 November 2010 22:32, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 16:09 on Friday 26 November 2010, Stroller did opine thusly: On 26/11/2010, at 6:07am, sam new wrote: Thanks all, I have a question , when we build the system, always use host client to build the toolchain , then GCC Glibc ...kernel some unity ... from source ,but where the frist system come from ,does it build using the Assembly language or machine language? I mean just give you X86 hardware and power , no OS, no livd cd . I am afraid it is out of this topic.but it always puzzled me :-) I think you want to know which came first - the chicken or the egg? For a few years, operating systems were indeed written in assembler. Then, c 1970, Unix was the first operating system written in a higher-level programming language, C. Likewise, I guess, the first compilers would be written in assembler, until one was written that could compile itself and become self-hosting. Thus new compilers and operating systems can now be written in higher-level languages (although C isn't very high-level) and compiled using an existing compiler. That Unix was written in C is what has lead to its ubiquity - until then every different brand of computer had its own operating system, usually written by the manufacturer. Written in assembly, these were non-portable. Writing the operating system in C allowed it to be ported to different hardware architectures, and programs could be written that would run on all the different systems out there (as long as those ran Unix). Linux was written on a Minix system, Minix was written c 1987 and so might have been written on one of the BSDs that was around then; the BSDs were probably written on an ATT Unix. When Intel produce a new chip - or gcc wants to support a new architecture - they rewrite the compiler (the backend part of it) to output machine code to suit the new chip's instruction set (which will be different from that of other chips - PPC vs ARM vs MIPS vs x86). The compiled code is then transferred to the new machine and fingers are crossed as everyone waits to see if it boots. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Unix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiler Stroller. One could ask the question where did the first assembler come from? Just as the first OSes and compilers were written in assembler to bootstrap C, so the first assemblers were written in hex codes to bootstrap the assembler. But hex code editors ran software, so where did the first hex code input gadget come from? And the answer to that is that it was written in binary. Yes that's right - a panel with 16 toggle switches and a few pushbuttons. Those didn't require software as everything was implemented in hardware. So now you know :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] the origins of Unix
On Friday 26 November 2010 14:32:58 Alan McKinnon wrote: One could ask the question where did the first assembler come from? Just as the first OSes and compilers were written in assembler to bootstrap C, so the first assemblers were written in hex codes to bootstrap the assembler. But hex code editors ran software, so where did the first hex code input gadget come from? And the answer to that is that it was written in binary. Yes that's right - a panel with 16 toggle switches and a few pushbuttons. Those didn't require software as everything was implemented in hardware. Except that in my case it was 24 switches, not 16 (this was a dedicated process-control computer for nuclear-powered ships and power stations, 35 years ago). And I sometimes had to make individual holes in the paper tape to write or change the code. -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
[gentoo-user] Best way to improve interactivity with heavy disk activity?
Hi there, As per subject, what's the best way to improve interactivity with heavy disk activity, please? Or perhaps a better question would be: what approaches are available? Presently my main Linux system is basically just a storage server with a *really slow* disk controller. I do all my web-browsing and email (and most other things) on my Mac laptop (because my Mac desktop has recently died ☹), but I occasionally do some bash or perl scripting, searches and other stuff on this Linux box. Normally this isn't a problem - the machine is an old Pentium 4 but plenty powerful enough for this simple command-line stuff. However I have recently bought a new STB which plays DVD .iso files across the network, so I started ripping DVDs on storage server, using dvdbackup mkisofs. When I do so, interactivity becomes *dire* - it takes maybe 15 seconds for *any* command to execute. My immediate reaction was to consider the recent 200-line patch to kernel = superkernel thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/221770 But I have also heard of `ionice` in the past: http://linux.die.net/man/1/ionice I've never used that - in fact, I can't recall ever having to use the regular `nice` - but I think maybe I should consider it. Does anyone have any thoughts, please? Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: nvidia and i/o problem
Em 25-11-2010 19:14, walt escreveu: On 11/25/2010 06:55 AM, Zhu Sha Zang wrote: ... i try to compile some nice software like chromium, pyside or openoffice my system freeze. I can't do anything like use keyboard, mouse or switch betwenn windows. How can i find the motive to this strange (???) Does the freeze always happen in the same place while compiling those packages? If not, I would suspect hardware problems, e.g. overheating due to poor ventilation of the CPU, or memory chips that are going bad. When I have random malfunctions like you describe, I open the computer case and spray the dust off of everything using compressed air. If that doesn't fix the problem I run memtest86 overnight to find failing memory chips. One of those two steps usually fixes the problem for me. Also, you could rule out bugs in the nvidia driver by trying to compile chromium or openoffice from a console terminal (i.e. while X is not running). I run the compilation without X, and try to acces over ssh. I can enter in machine, but so slowly. The system become unresponsive. If I stay the compilation process end, i can use the system again. Normally, i've compiled this sources into the night, when off from work. This machine are new and of course i've tested and don't think that a hardware problem. But i'll check this more deeper. Att signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] copy paste problem from any app other than Konsole to Konsole
On Friday 26 November 2010 11:27:47 Peter Humphrey wrote: On Thursday 25 November 2010 12:54:07 Coert Waagmeester wrote: Using ksh in konsole. Whenever I select something in any app apart from Konsole, and middle click paste it in Konsole, it does not paste exactly as it should. I have attached a screenshot where I copy from Firefox to Konsole. What could be the reason for this? I don't know, but pasting into Konsole works fine with bash. Could it be that there is a ksh parameter which affects this and it has been set to auto-indent? What does your konsole Settings/Input/Key Bindings show? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] kde-l10n-4.4.5 and en_GB?
On Friday 26 November 2010 10:54:45 Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 24 November 2010 21:10:38 Arttu V. wrote: Bug #343523 ? I thought not at first, but now I'm less sure. I'll wait for the patch by Andreas Hüttel to work its way into portage. Meanwhile, just to make a bit of progress, I've compiled kde-l10n with LINGUAS=en. Oh, and setting -j1 in MAKEOPTS didn't help, Mick. :-( Thought of suggesting it as it some times fixes odd breakages here. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: nvidia and i/o problem
Zhu Sha Zang wrote:
I run the compilation without X, and try to acces over ssh. I can
enter in machine, but so slowly.
The system become unresponsive. If I stay the compilation process end,
i can use the system again.
Normally, i've compiled this sources into the night, when off from work.
This machine are new and of course i've tested and don't think that a
hardware problem. But i'll check this more deeper.
Att
I forgot to mention this in my other post. Do you have this in your
make.conf:
PORTAGE_NICENESS=5
PORTAGE_IONICE_COMMAND=ionice -c 3 -p \${PID}
I think you have to enable ionice in the kernel for it to work.
Hope that helps.
Dale
:-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] How to exclude a directory from rsync
On Thursday 25 November 2010 21:51:36 Renat Golubchyk wrote: On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 23:01:51 + Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 16 November 2010 22:26:28 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 2010-11-16 22:24, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Apparently, though unproven, at 23:12 on Tuesday 16 November 2010, Mick did opine thusly: Excellent, it worked! :-) Glad to hear it. I could help because part of my job is running a rather big public ftp mirror that management graciously pay for. And I went down this rsync road a long time ago myself. You have no idea how many brain cells died in agony to figure out this specific piece of rsync behaviour :-) ;-) I would like to know if my suggestion also works ;-) Yeah, include/exclude-patterns are rather hard to figure out sometimes ... nearly like regexes - write once, read never Ha, ha! True! Stefan, I tried escaping the spaces (even tried \\ double and \\\ triple escapes in case it makes a difference because of using ssh) but still did not work. In my head I couldn't see how the full path would not work, but the relative path would, but I tried it out all the same. I still don't understand why Alan's recommendation works ;-) I'm probably late with my reply, but I'll post it so it will be in the archives for future reference. The man page is actually pretty clear on this issue. Quote: if the pattern starts with a / then it is anchored to a particular spot in the hierarchy of files, otherwise it is matched against the end of the pathname. This is similar to a leading ^ in regular expressions. Thus /foo would match a name of foo at either the root of the transfer (for a global rule) or in the merge-file’s directory (for a per-directory rule). An unqualified foo would match a name of foo anywhere in the tree because the algorithm is applied recursively from the top down; it behaves as if each path component gets a turn at being the end of the filename. Even the unanchored sub/foo would match at any point in the hierarchy where a foo was found within a directory named sub. Root of the transfer is the directory you want to sync. Thus, if you run e.g. rsync /var/log/ /mnt/backups/ --exclude=/portage/ then root of the transfer is /var/log, and therefore the directory /var/log/portage will be excluded. If on the other hand you write --exclude=portage/ then a directory named portage anywhere in the tree under /var/log will be excluded. Without the trailing slash, i.e. just --exclude=portage any file (regular file, directory, link, whatever) named portage anywhere in the tree gets excluded. And finally --exclude=/portage would exclude a file only at the top of the tree that is going to be synchronsed. Hope it helps. Yes it does! Thank you, it's clear to me now why it behaved so. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: nvidia and i/o problem
On 11/26/2010 09:50 AM, Zhu Sha Zang wrote: I run the compilation without X, and try to acces over ssh. I can enter in machine, but so slowly. The system become unresponsive. If I stay the compilation process end, i can use the system again. Okay, that's not a 'freeze' (as I normally use that word), the machine is just too busy to listen to you. (Like a boy who is busy playing a computer game won't listen to his parents :) The same thing happens to me whenever I compile firefox, for example, because memory fills up at one point and the machine starts swapping to disk. When the machine starts swapping to disk, I can't use the machine at all for about five minutes until the swapping finally stops. You could (for example) run vmstat 1 in a second ssh session on the slow machine to see if it runs out of memory during compilation.
[gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
I'm planning to build a new rig. My current rig is about 7 or 8 years old now and it needs to be updated. Current rig is AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram and a Abit NF7 v2.0 mobo. Couple hard drives too. New build #1 with links and all. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1689160 COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black case. I included this because of the rather LARGE CPU heatsink that is going to be listed later. I did a google image search and saw it in other rigs so it should fit in there. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130265 MSI 790XT-G45 AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X motherboard. It's not the latest but it is a OK mobo. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125296 GIGABYTE GV-N210OC-512I GeForce 210 512MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP video card. I don't do gaming. Actually, my old FX-5200 does pretty well but won't fit in the new mobo. I really don't need a super fast video card here. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153116 Thermaltake TR2 TRX-650M 650W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V Power supply. I like this brand and would like to stay with this but if the price is right, I could be tempted to change my mind. My biggest question on this, can this handle this mobo, CPU, video card and 3 to 4 drives including a DVD burner? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103644 AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor. From the searches I did, this should fit this mobo fine. Agree? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104073 Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 Desktop Memory. I have used this brand before with not one problem. Like before, if the price is right, I could change this. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118056 ZALMAN CNPS10X FLEX CPU Cooler. This thing got good reviews and it is not priced to high. According to the searches I have done this will fit the mobo/CPU and should fit in the case. Any disagreements on this? This is build #2: I'll be using the same case, power supply, video card etc so I won't list them all twice. Just listing the things that have to be changed. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128431 GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard. The only thing I don't like about this is that it doesn't have a com port for my UPS. I guess a adapter will be found somewhere. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675 AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor. This should fit the mobo according to the website. Agree? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148325 Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory. According to newegg this fits the mobo. Agree? I only plan to build one or the other not both. I would like to make sure everything should fit fine but I would also like to get a opinion. I would like a opinion on whether build #2 would be better in the long run? It appears to be a bit faster although the price is not much different. Build #1 is $611.92. Build #2 is $637.92. That doesn't include shipping but a lot of the items have free shipping anyway. Basically, I need this to last me several years since I can't afford to rebuild every few years. Also, one reason for the HUGE CPU cooler, I run folding in the winter. Helps heat the place up a bit. lol My current rig with a Volcano 12 runs at about 90F at full load. I would like to run pretty close to that since it just makes the CPU last longer. I'm open to ideas, discussion, problems and opinions. I mostly want to make sure each build will work and which I should build. Thanks for your time and replies. If you need more info, let me know. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Dale, One thing to keep in mind w/ power supplies is that you don't want to run them normally at more than X% of peak capacity -- most of them have a sweet spot in load where they are rated for efficiency and noise. Choose your power supply based on that load % rather than max required wattage. Most of the vendor websites will have a graph of power/noise versus wattage. For a new system which you may keep around for 5-10 years and upgrade as time goes by, I'd consider putting in a ~800W unit which hopefully you'll run at under 50% load. I've had very good experience with OCZ models. The 800W is based on some reading I had done that indicated that newer motherboards/cpu's/+higher end video cards would bring power util in the ~400-500W range. I'm sure you can google for your own calculator. I'm not that familiar with the other components you listed, but I've definitely had better experience w/ Kingston ram than crucial, and thermaltake makes good cases and chassis accessories. For motherboards, I've always been partial to ASUS or Gigabyte for workstations/desktops. Regards, Matt On Friday, November 26, 2010 01:29:03 pm Dale wrote: I'm planning to build a new rig. My current rig is about 7 or 8 years old now and it needs to be updated. Current rig is AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram and a Abit NF7 v2.0 mobo. Couple hard drives too. New build #1 with links and all. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1689160 COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black case. I included this because of the rather LARGE CPU heatsink that is going to be listed later. I did a google image search and saw it in other rigs so it should fit in there. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130265 MSI 790XT-G45 AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X motherboard. It's not the latest but it is a OK mobo. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125296 GIGABYTE GV-N210OC-512I GeForce 210 512MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP video card. I don't do gaming. Actually, my old FX-5200 does pretty well but won't fit in the new mobo. I really don't need a super fast video card here. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153116 Thermaltake TR2 TRX-650M 650W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V Power supply. I like this brand and would like to stay with this but if the price is right, I could be tempted to change my mind. My biggest question on this, can this handle this mobo, CPU, video card and 3 to 4 drives including a DVD burner? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103644 AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor. From the searches I did, this should fit this mobo fine. Agree? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104073 Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 Desktop Memory. I have used this brand before with not one problem. Like before, if the price is right, I could change this. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118056 ZALMAN CNPS10X FLEX CPU Cooler. This thing got good reviews and it is not priced to high. According to the searches I have done this will fit the mobo/CPU and should fit in the case. Any disagreements on this? This is build #2: I'll be using the same case, power supply, video card etc so I won't list them all twice. Just listing the things that have to be changed. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128431 GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard. The only thing I don't like about this is that it doesn't have a com port for my UPS. I guess a adapter will be found somewhere. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675 AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor. This should fit the mobo according to the website. Agree? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148325 Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory. According to newegg this fits the mobo. Agree? I only plan to build one or the other not both. I would like to make sure everything should fit fine but I would also like to get a opinion. I would like a opinion on whether build #2 would be better in the long run? It appears to be a bit faster although the price is not much different. Build #1 is $611.92. Build #2 is $637.92. That doesn't include shipping but a lot of the items have free shipping anyway. Basically, I need this to last me several years since I can't afford to rebuild every few years. Also, one reason for the HUGE CPU cooler, I run folding in the winter. Helps heat the place up a bit. lol My current rig with a Volcano 12 runs at about 90F at full load. I would like to run pretty close to that since it just makes the CPU
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Couple of things to note: The geforce 210 is not even powerful enough to do 1080p blueray playback. Might want to consider a minor upgrade if you are going to do anything entertainment-wise on this system. Consider doing the ddr 3 system for longevity. If you do end up getting the ddr 2 motherboard and ram, the AM3 socket 945 x4 will fit in and run with the AM2+ board, however AM3 and ddr3 are the current standards and at least the next generation of amd processors should be backwards compatible with that socket. Also, I do slightly disagree with the previous author recommending an 800 watt psu with the configurations you posted. That wattage should be recommended for a bleeding edge single gpu system and a bleeding edge processor. 500-600 should be enough for your needs as long as it's a quality part. On Nov 26, 2010 4:33 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm planning to build a new rig. My current rig is about 7 or 8 years old now and it needs to be updated. Current rig is AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram and a Abit NF7 v2.0 mobo. Couple hard drives too. New build #1 with links and all. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1689160 COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black case. I included this because of the rather LARGE CPU heatsink that is going to be listed later. I did a google image search and saw it in other rigs so it should fit in there. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130265 MSI 790XT-G45 AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X motherboard. It's not the latest but it is a OK mobo. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125296 GIGABYTE GV-N210OC-512I GeForce 210 512MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP video card. I don't do gaming. Actually, my old FX-5200 does pretty well but won't fit in the new mobo. I really don't need a super fast video card here. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153116 Thermaltake TR2 TRX-650M 650W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V Power supply. I like this brand and would like to stay with this but if the price is right, I could be tempted to change my mind. My biggest question on this, can this handle this mobo, CPU, video card and 3 to 4 drives including a DVD burner? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103644 AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor. From the searches I did, this should fit this mobo fine. Agree? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104073 Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 Desktop Memory. I have used this brand before with not one problem. Like before, if the price is right, I could change this. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118056 ZALMAN CNPS10X FLEX CPU Cooler. This thing got good reviews and it is not priced to high. According to the searches I have done this will fit the mobo/CPU and should fit in the case. Any disagreements on this? This is build #2: I'll be using the same case, power supply, video card etc so I won't list them all twice. Just listing the things that have to be changed. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128431 GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard. The only thing I don't like about this is that it doesn't have a com port for my UPS. I guess a adapter will be found somewhere. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675 AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor. This should fit the mobo according to the website. Agree? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148325 Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory. According to newegg this fits the mobo. Agree? I only plan to build one or the other not both. I would like to make sure everything should fit fine but I would also like to get a opinion. I would like a opinion on whether build #2 would be better in the long run? It appears to be a bit faster although the price is not much different. Build #1 is $611.92. Build #2 is $637.92. That doesn't include shipping but a lot of the items have free shipping anyway. Basically, I need this to last me several years since I can't afford to rebuild every few years. Also, one reason for the HUGE CPU cooler, I run folding in the winter. Helps heat the place up a bit. lol My current rig with a Volcano 12 runs at about 90F at full load. I would like to run pretty close to that since it just makes the CPU last longer. I'm open to ideas, discussion, problems and opinions. I mostly want to make sure each build will work and which I should build. Thanks for your time and replies. If you need more info, let me know. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
On Friday 26 November 2010, Dale wrote: I'm planning to build a new rig. My current rig is about 7 or 8 years old now and it needs to be updated. Current rig is AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram and a Abit NF7 v2.0 mobo. Couple hard drives too. New build #1 with links and all. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1689160 COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black case. I included this because of the rather LARGE CPU heatsink that is going to be listed later. I did a google image search and saw it in other rigs so it should fit in there. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130265 MSI 790XT-G45 AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X motherboard. It's not the latest but it is a OK mobo. seriously? No. Get an AM3 board. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125296 GIGABYTE GV-N210OC-512I GeForce 210 512MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP video card. I don't do gaming. Actually, my old FX-5200 does pretty well but won't fit in the new mobo. I really don't need a super fast video card here. emm, no. You might not need a fast card, but with a 210 you could also use no card at all. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153116 Thermaltake TR2 TRX-650M 650W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V Power supply. I like this brand and would like to stay with this but if the price is right, I could be tempted to change my mind. My biggest question on this, can this handle this mobo, CPU, video card and 3 to 4 drives including a DVD burner? wtf? I have a phenom II 955, 8gb ddr3. 7drives and a 5770 - and my 450(!) W BeQuiet doesn't even break a sweat. Big PSU = a lot of wasted money. Don't follow that stupid trend. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103644 AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor. From the searches I did, this should fit this mobo fine. Agree? yeah http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104073 Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 Desktop Memory. I have used this brand before with not one problem. Like before, if the price is right, I could change this. No, no, no and no. DDR2? No. 4gb? No. You can get 2x4gb ddr3 for very low prices. Oh - and please don't buy Kingston. Kingston = overpriced crap. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118056 ZALMAN CNPS10X FLEX CPU Cooler. This thing got good reviews and it is not priced to high. According to the searches I have done this will fit the mobo/CPU and should fit in the case. Any disagreements on this? just saying, I have a scythe shuriken. A very small cooler: CPU FAN Speed: 737 RPM (min = 600 RPM) CPU Temperature: +40.0°C (high = +60.0°C, crit = +95.0°C) MB Temperature: +39.0°C (high = +45.0°C, crit = +75.0°C) and for the first couple of minutes the fan doesn't even run. This is build #2: I'll be using the same case, power supply, video card etc so I won't list them all twice. Just listing the things that have to be changed. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128431 GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard. The only thing I don't like about this is that it doesn't have a com port for my UPS. I guess a adapter will be found somewhere. Gigabyte is nice, usb3 is nice, ddr3 is nice. But 770? SB710? Well, not as bad as 700... but the 850 is out... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675 AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor. This should fit the mobo according to the website. Agree? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148325 Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory. According to newegg this fits the mobo. Agree? I only plan to build one or the other not both. I would like to make sure everything should fit fine but I would also like to get a opinion. I would like a opinion on whether build #2 would be better in the long run? It appears to be a bit faster although the price is not much different. Build #1 is $611.92. Build #2 is $637.92. That doesn't include shipping but a lot of the items have free shipping anyway. Basically, I need this to last me several years since I can't afford to rebuild every few years. Also, one reason for the HUGE CPU cooler, I run folding in the winter. Helps heat the place up a bit. lol My current rig with a Volcano 12 runs at about 90F at full load. I would like to run pretty close to that since it just makes the CPU last longer. I'm open to ideas, discussion, problems and opinions. I mostly want to make sure each build will work and which I should build. Thanks for your time and replies. If you need more info, let me know. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
On Friday 26 November 2010, Matthew Marlowe wrote: Dale, One thing to keep in mind w/ power supplies is that you don't want to run them normally at more than X% of peak capacity -- most of them have a sweet spot in load where they are rated for efficiency and noise. Choose your power supply based on that load % rather than max required wattage. Most of the vendor websites will have a graph of power/noise versus wattage. For a new system which you may keep around for 5-10 years and upgrade as time goes by, I'd consider putting in a ~800W unit which hopefully you'll run at under 50% load. The stuff Dale wants tro buy wouldn't even reach 250ł AT FULL LOAD. Even my rig - hotter, doesn't reach 300W when I artificially torture the system. Normal 'max' load is in 200W range. An normal desktop? Under 100. You don't want to get to far below 20% PSU load or efficiency is shot. So an 800W PSU is stupid in every regard. 650 is way to big. 450 is good enough. 400W might even be good enough. I've had very good experience with OCZ models. Aren't those rebranded Seasonics? The 800W is based on some reading I had done that indicated that newer motherboards/cpu's/+higher end video cards would bring power util in the ~400-500W range. I'm sure you can google for your own calculator. which are all powered by PSU sellers... I'm not that familiar with the other components you listed, but I've definitely had better experience w/ Kingston ram than crucial, and thermaltake makes good cases and chassis accessories. For motherboards, I've always been partial to ASUS or Gigabyte for workstations/desktops. my current ASUS board is a piece of shit. Two repairs because the board loves to fry the bios chip. When the box is on but not used for a while, it might lock up completely. So completely I had to remove the battery and set the bios jumper to get it back working. Asus has become worse than their daughter Asrock. Nothing bad to say about Gigabyte. I am still waiting for a reply from their support. Send the mail 12 years ago ;)
[gentoo-user] quickpkg - blocking portage-2.1.9.24
It seems to me new portage-2.1.9.24 doesn't like quickpkg, it complains: Installing (1 of 1) sys-apps/portage-2.1.9.24 * This package will overwrite one or more files that may belong to other * packages (see list below). You can use a command such as `portageq * owners / filename` to identify the installed package that owns a * file. If portageq reports that only one package owns a file then do * NOT file a bug report. A bug report is only useful if it identifies at * least two or more packages that are known to install the same file(s). * If a collision occurs and you can not explain where the file came from * then you should simply ignore the collision since there is not enough * information to determine if a real problem exists. Please do NOT file * a bug report at http://bugs.gentoo.org unless you report exactly which * two packages install the same file(s). Once again, please do NOT file * a bug report unless you have completely understood the above message. * * package sys-apps/portage-2.1.9.24 NOT merged * * Detected file collision(s): * * /usr/bin/quickpkg Should I remove the quickpkg to install new portage or comment-out collision-protect in make.conf? -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Volker, Even my rig - hotter, doesn't reach 300W when I artificially torture the system. Normal 'max' load is in 200W range. An normal desktop? Under 100. OK -- just to find out the truth I've attached a kill-a-watt to my current workstation which is ~4yrs old w/ slow cpu and ancient video card but has been upgraded w/ 7 SATA Drives: Idle - ~285W Light Use (emerge --sync) - ~310W Kernel Compile w/ video app running and minor torture- ~340W This is definitely much higher than 100-200W stated above. Anyhow, given that the discussion was about a system lasting ~8yrs, which is twice the current age of my system, I don't think it's unfeasible that future upgrades (especially if video card related or if moving cpu from 2 core to 8 core) could get normal power util 20% higher to ~372W eventually. If you conservatively state that PSU wattage should be 1.66 * normal util (so that PSU is normally running at 60% of peak) then: 1.66 * 372 = 617 So an 800W PSU is stupid in every regard. 650 is way to big. 450 is good enough. 400W might even be good enough. OK, I'll agree that 800W is not looking very convincing. I must have bought into the marketing there. Thanks for the correction. However, 650W would seem to be optimal. For less stressful systems, 450 seems OK short term, but I'm not sure whether it would be limiting for a chassis expected to last 8+ yrs w/ whatever upgrades come down the line. Matt -- Matthew Marlowe/ 858-400-7430 /DeployLinux Consulting, Inc Professional Linux Hosting and Systems Administration Services www.deploylinux.net * m...@deploylinux.net 'MattM' @ irc.freenode.net
[gentoo-user] E17 installation
Hi all, I am trying to get E17 on my computer using this guide http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/E17. I have also added source /var/lib/layman/make.conf to make.conf and update PORTDIR_OVERLAY= to /var/lib/layman/make.conf. After that I try to emerge elightenment and can only get x11-wm/enlightenment-1.0.7. When I try to log in to enlightenment I can only get E16. Any idea? Thanks in advance Hung
Re: [gentoo-user] quickpkg - blocking portage-2.1.9.24
* package sys-apps/portage-2.1.9.24 NOT merged * * Detected file collision(s): * * /usr/bin/quickpkg Should I remove the quickpkg to install new portage or comment-out collision-protect in make.conf? I just ran the same update (and it reported it was going ahead with the update despite the collision). Looks like quickpkg is now in portage; # qfile /usr/bin/quickpkg sys-apps/portage (/usr/bin/quickpkg)
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Even my rig - hotter, doesn't reach 300W when I artificially torture the system. Normal 'max' load is in 200W range. An normal desktop? Under 100. OK -- just to find out the truth I've attached a kill-a-watt to my current workstation which is ~4yrs old w/ slow cpu and ancient video card but has been upgraded w/ 7 SATA Drives: So the figures below are AC in, not DC out. Pretty sure the figure everyone uses for comparison is DC out. Idle - ~285W Light Use (emerge --sync) - ~310W Kernel Compile w/ video app running and minor torture- ~340W This is definitely much higher than 100-200W stated above. Anyhow, given that the discussion was about a system lasting ~8yrs, which is twice the current age of my system, I don't think it's unfeasible that future upgrades (especially if video card related or if moving cpu from 2 core to 8 core) could get normal power util 20% higher to ~372W eventually. If you conservatively state that PSU wattage should be 1.66 * normal util (so that PSU is normally running at 60% of peak) then: 1.66 * 372 = 617 I think you've double dipped theresee above comment. My 2c WRT power supplies - buy a quality brand as they are one of the least reliable components in a PC.
Re: [gentoo-user] E17 installation
Apparently, though unproven, at 08:39 on Saturday 27 November 2010, Hung Dang did opine thusly: Hi all, I am trying to get E17 on my computer using this guide http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/E17. I have also added source /var/lib/layman/make.conf to make.conf and update PORTDIR_OVERLAY= to /var/lib/layman/make.conf. After that I try to emerge elightenment and can only get x11-wm/enlightenment-1.0.7. When I try to log in to enlightenment I can only get E16. Any idea? Thanks in advance Hung You didn't unmask/keyword anything, so you are getting the window manager in portage, which is e16. To get e17 you need to get it from an overlay. The only overlay that actually works right now is http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/packaging/gentoo vapier's overlay was out of date, is now being updated and is in a state of flux, i.e. constantly breaking and changing. I've never heard of the overlay on the gentoo-wiki page. To use the e17 window manager you *must* install the - efl libs from svn. The e17 ebuild does not cater for the -beta2 versions. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] quickpkg - blocking portage-2.1.9.24
Apparently, though unproven, at 07:47 on Saturday 27 November 2010, Joseph did opine thusly: It seems to me new portage-2.1.9.24 doesn't like quickpkg, it complains: Installing (1 of 1) sys-apps/portage-2.1.9.24 * This package will overwrite one or more files that may belong to other * packages (see list below). You can use a command such as `portageq * owners / filename` to identify the installed package that owns a * file. If portageq reports that only one package owns a file then do * NOT file a bug report. A bug report is only useful if it identifies at * least two or more packages that are known to install the same file(s). * If a collision occurs and you can not explain where the file came from * then you should simply ignore the collision since there is not enough * information to determine if a real problem exists. Please do NOT file * a bug report at http://bugs.gentoo.org unless you report exactly which * two packages install the same file(s). Once again, please do NOT file * a bug report unless you have completely understood the above message. * * package sys-apps/portage-2.1.9.24 NOT merged * * Detected file collision(s): * * /usr/bin/quickpkg Should I remove the quickpkg to install new portage or comment-out collision-protect in make.conf? You should do neither. You should do what the message says, which is to find out why you have a collision and then resolve it. You must definitely not remove collision-protect from FEATURES equery belongs /usr/bin/quickpkg and then make a decision when you have that answer. Adam's later advice is correct. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] the origins of Unix
Apparently, though unproven, at 17:18 on Friday 26 November 2010, Peter Humphrey did opine thusly: On Friday 26 November 2010 14:32:58 Alan McKinnon wrote: One could ask the question where did the first assembler come from? Just as the first OSes and compilers were written in assembler to bootstrap C, so the first assemblers were written in hex codes to bootstrap the assembler. But hex code editors ran software, so where did the first hex code input gadget come from? And the answer to that is that it was written in binary. Yes that's right - a panel with 16 toggle switches and a few pushbuttons. Those didn't require software as everything was implemented in hardware. Except that in my case it was 24 switches, not 16 (this was a dedicated process-control computer for nuclear-powered ships and power stations, 35 years ago). And I sometimes had to make individual holes in the paper tape to write or change the code. Ah, you were fortunate to work on the big boys. I only had the little ones around. My first job as an adult was ancient Burroughs banking terminals that loaded software with the same paper tape, I remember those days well. I never want to go back to those days either :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Adam Carter wrote: Even my rig - hotter, doesn't reach 300W when I artificially torture the system. Normal 'max' load is in 200W range. An normal desktop? Under 100. OK -- just to find out the truth I've attached a kill-a-watt to my current workstation which is ~4yrs old w/ slow cpu and ancient video card but has been upgraded w/ 7 SATA Drives: So the figures below are AC in, not DC out. Pretty sure the figure everyone uses for comparison is DC out. Idle - ~285W Light Use (emerge --sync) - ~310W Kernel Compile w/ video app running and minor torture- ~340W This is definitely much higher than 100-200W stated above. Anyhow, given that the discussion was about a system lasting ~8yrs, which is twice the current age of my system, I don't think it's unfeasible that future upgrades (especially if video card related or if moving cpu from 2 core to 8 core) could get normal power util 20% higher to ~372W eventually. If you conservatively state that PSU wattage should be 1.66 * normal util (so that PSU is normally running at 60% of peak) then: 1.66 * 372 = 617 I think you've double dipped theresee above comment. My 2c WRT power supplies - buy a quality brand as they are one of the least reliable components in a PC. To add a little info about me and my puters. I don't update very often. I started out with 512Mb of ram and upgraded to 2Gbs. I started with a 30Gb hard drive and upgraded to a 80Gb and added a 750Gb when I got DSL and could watch videos. Basically, as far as power is concerned, I added a single hard drive. I doubt the memory changed power very much. Swapping a 80Gb drive for the 30Gb probably wasn't much change either. The new drive may have even use less power. The only other change was that I added 2 120mm fans on the side to help with the cooling. As you can probably tell, I build it and it stays the same basically. Maybe a little minor changes but nothing major. I figure I will add one more drive when I can afford it. Maybe a 1.5 to 2Tb or so. They are still dropping in price. Now to reply to some others. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Jason Weisberger wrote: Couple of things to note: The geforce 210 is not even powerful enough to do 1080p blueray playback. Might want to consider a minor upgrade if you are going to do anything entertainment-wise on this system. Consider doing the ddr 3 system for longevity. If you do end up getting the ddr 2 motherboard and ram, the AM3 socket 945 x4 will fit in and run with the AM2+ board, however AM3 and ddr3 are the current standards and at least the next generation of amd processors should be backwards compatible with that socket. Also, I do slightly disagree with the previous author recommending an 800 watt psu with the configurations you posted. That wattage should be recommended for a bleeding edge single gpu system and a bleeding edge processor. 500-600 should be enough for your needs as long as it's a quality part. I'll check and see if I can find something better video wise. To be honest tho, I don't play video except for youtube or something like that. By BIG game to play is Kpatience. I must admit, I am seriously leaning to the Gigabyte build. It is a bit newer but not to pricey. I have read that DDR3 is faster and we all know that you only need one bottle neck. I do assume that the Gigabyte mobo, CPU and ram do match up OK? That is the big thing for me. I used to read Computer Shopper and keep up with the sockets types and such but I haven't done that in a long while. I don't want to order all this and then find out the CPU doesn't fit the mobo or that I can't put that ram in because of the HUGE heatsink. I guess newegg would let me swap something within reason tho. Dale :-) :-)
