[gentoo-user] Python:2.7 - Save to use as default?

[Helmut Jarausch]

Hi,

dev-lang/python-2.7.1 has been unmasked and with the recent autgen from 
today it builds cleanly.
Is it safe to use this version as standard Python (via eselect)
when running python-updater afterwards, of course?

Many thanks for sharing your experience,
Helmut.

[gentoo-user] Remove redundant entries in "world" - howto

[Helmut Jarausch]

Hi,

does anybody know about an easy method to remove all entries from
/var/lib/portage/world
which would have been pulled in anyway
even if they were not contained in world.

My current attempt would be to write a script
which executes emerge -vpc on each entry in world.
If it wouldn't be removed it's obsolete in world.

Unfortunately this has to be done in several rounds.

Many thanks for a hint,
Helmut.

[gentoo-user] Which architecture ???

[dhk]

I have a laptop which has an AMD Athlon Neo X2 L335 2.2GHz Dual Core
processor on it and I'd like to know which architecture (handbook and
livecd) to use.

The handbook choices are:  x86, sparc, amd64, ppc, ppc64, alpha, hppa,
mips, ia64, arm.  I'm guessing the x86, but I's like to be sure.

Thanks

dhk

Re: [gentoo-user] Which architecture ???

[Michael Hampicke]

> I have a laptop which has an AMD Athlon Neo X2 L335 2.2GHz Dual Core
> processor on it and I'd like to know which architecture (handbook and
> livecd) to use.

The Athlon Neo X2 is a x86 processor with amd64 support. So you can
either chose x86 or amd64 (if you'd like to run a 64bit system).

Re: [gentoo-user] Which architecture ???

[Helmut Jarausch]

On 12/08/10 12:25:23, dhk wrote:
> I have a laptop which has an AMD Athlon Neo X2 L335 2.2GHz Dual Core
> processor on it and I'd like to know which architecture (handbook and
> livecd) to use.
> 
> The handbook choices are:  x86, sparc, amd64, ppc, ppc64, alpha, 
> hppa,
> mips, ia64, arm.  I'm guessing the x86, but I's like to be sure.
> 

x86 will do for sure.
But you can check

cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "address sizes" 

If it shows more than 32 bits (e.g. 48 bits)
then you could use amd64, as well.
AFAIK, 64 is mean stream today.
How much memory do you have installed?
If more than 4G you have to use adm64 to fully use it.
I'd prefer amd64 if possible,

Helmut.

Re: [gentoo-user] Which architecture ???

[dhk]

On 12/08/2010 07:21 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
> On 12/08/10 12:25:23, dhk wrote:
>> I have a laptop which has an AMD Athlon Neo X2 L335 2.2GHz Dual Core
>> processor on it and I'd like to know which architecture (handbook and
>> livecd) to use.
>>
>> The handbook choices are:  x86, sparc, amd64, ppc, ppc64, alpha, 
>> hppa,
>> mips, ia64, arm.  I'm guessing the x86, but I's like to be sure.
>>
> 
> x86 will do for sure.
> But you can check
> 
> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "address sizes" 
> 
> If it shows more than 32 bits (e.g. 48 bits)
> then you could use amd64, as well.
> AFAIK, 64 is mean stream today.
> How much memory do you have installed?
> If more than 4G you have to use adm64 to fully use it.
> I'd prefer amd64 if possible,
> 
> Helmut.
> 
> 
> 

I don't see any address size but when I cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep size I
get casche size 256 KB and clflush size 64.  The laptop has 4G of memory.

[gentoo-user] trouble with new gnome (~amd64)

[Allan Gottlieb]

Yesterday many gnome-apps were updated to 2.32.

There is a problem with evolution's addr book, but for me that is minor.

However, the gnome panel doesn't work.  It starts, remains running,
cannot be killed (even with -9) but does not display the panel.

Anyone else had trouble and any fixes?

thanks,
allan

Re: [gentoo-user] Which architecture ???

[Michael Hampicke]

> I don't see any address size but when I cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep size I
> get casche size 256 KB and clflush size 64.  The laptop has 4G of memory.

With 4G or more I would go with amd64.

Re: [gentoo-user] Which architecture ???

[Bastian Timmermann]

Best is, if you take 64bit :-)

Greets

Bastian

On 08.12.2010 13:39, dhk wrote:

On 12/08/2010 07:21 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote:

On 12/08/10 12:25:23, dhk wrote:

I have a laptop which has an AMD Athlon Neo X2 L335 2.2GHz Dual Core
processor on it and I'd like to know which architecture (handbook and
livecd) to use.

The handbook choices are:  x86, sparc, amd64, ppc, ppc64, alpha,
hppa,
mips, ia64, arm.  I'm guessing the x86, but I's like to be sure.



x86 will do for sure.
But you can check

cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "address sizes"

If it shows more than 32 bits (e.g. 48 bits)
then you could use amd64, as well.
AFAIK, 64 is mean stream today.
How much memory do you have installed?
If more than 4G you have to use adm64 to fully use it.
I'd prefer amd64 if possible,

Helmut.





I don't see any address size but when I cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep size I
get casche size 256 KB and clflush size 64.  The laptop has 4G of memory.

Re: [gentoo-user] Which architecture ???

[dhk]

On 12/08/2010 07:57 AM, Michael Hampicke wrote:
>> I don't see any address size but when I cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep size I
>> get casche size 256 KB and clflush size 64.  The laptop has 4G of memory.
> 
> With 4G or more I would go with amd64.
> 
> 

Thanks all, I'll give it a try.

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo with ZIMBRA

[Urs Schutz]

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 04:26:42 -0500
"Mag. Ing. Emilio Del Campo Z." 
wrote:

> Hi Everyone.. Hola  todos,
> quiza alguno que entienda español? deseo probar gentoo
> con zimbra o con algun metodo, mail server, antivirus,
> antispam y webmail que pudieran recomendar, las gracias
> de antemano y perdon por el español.
> 
> Saludos,
> 
> Milo.

Its more or less this:

«Is here somebody who understands Spanish? I would like to
try gentoo with zimbra, or some combination of mail
server, antivirus, antispam and webmail. Any
recommendations? Thanks in advance and sorry for the
spanish.»

 

Re: [gentoo-user] Remove redundant entries in "world" - howto

[Matthew Summers]

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:23 AM, Helmut Jarausch
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> does anybody know about an easy method to remove all entries from
> /var/lib/portage/world
> which would have been pulled in anyway
> even if they were not contained in world.
>
> My current attempt would be to write a script
> which executes emerge -vpc on each entry in world.
> If it wouldn't be removed it's obsolete in world.
>
> Unfortunately this has to be done in several rounds.
>
> Many thanks for a hint,
> Helmut.
>
>

You may find that using 'emerge --deselect some-package' to be what
you need. It removeds the file from your world file, but does not
unmerge the package. That command switch is the functional opposite of
--noreplace.

I think you will find a wealth of information in the manpage for
emerge. Happy reading!

-- 
Matthew W. Summers

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo with ZIMBRA

[Rod]

On 9/12/2010 12:32 AM, Urs Schutz wrote:

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 04:26:42 -0500
"Mag. Ing. Emilio Del Campo Z."
wrote:

   

Hi Everyone.. Hola  todos,
quiza alguno que entienda español? deseo probar gentoo
con zimbra o con algun metodo, mail server, antivirus,
antispam y webmail que pudieran recomendar, las gracias
de antemano y perdon por el español.

Saludos,

Milo.
 

Its more or less this:

«Is here somebody who understands Spanish? I would like to
try gentoo with zimbra, or some combination of mail
server, antivirus, antispam and webmail. Any
recommendations? Thanks in advance and sorry for the
spanish.»



   


I'm using postfix, courier, SASL & roundcube for webmai, RC is much 
easier to use than the mail client that is on Nokia's Ovi :)


Sorry for my English :P

Re: [gentoo-user] Which architecture ???

[Matthew Summers]

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:58 AM, dhk  wrote:
> On 12/08/2010 07:57 AM, Michael Hampicke wrote:
>>> I don't see any address size but when I cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep size I
>>> get casche size 256 KB and clflush size 64.  The laptop has 4G of memory.
>>
>> With 4G or more I would go with amd64.
>>
>>
>
> Thanks all, I'll give it a try.
>
>

Hi,

If you don't mind, could you post the output of 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'? I
am interested in some of the details of that CPU. Mainly I am curious
if it is a fam10 cpu or something else.

TIA,
-- 
Matthew W. Summers

Re: [gentoo-user] Which architecture ???

[KIM WHALEN]

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Matthew Summers wrote:


On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:58 AM, dhk  wrote:

On 12/08/2010 07:57 AM, Michael Hampicke wrote:
I don't see any address size but when I cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 
size I
get casche size 256 KB and clflush size 64.  The laptop has 4G of 
memory.


With 4G or more I would go with amd64.




Thanks all, I'll give it a try.




Hi,

If you don't mind, could you post the output of 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'? I
am interested in some of the details of that CPU. Mainly I am curious
if it is a fam10 cpu or something else.

TIA,
--
Matthew W. Summers




livecd ~ # cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor   : 0
vendor_id   : AuthenticAMD
cpu family  : 15
model   : 107
model name  : AMD Athlon(tm) Neo X2 Dual Core Processor L335
stepping: 2
cpu MHz : 1595.727
cache size  : 256 KB
physical id : 0
siblings: 2
core id : 0
cpu cores   : 2
apicid  : 0
initial apicid  : 0
fpu : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp  : yes
flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov 
pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt rdtscp 
lm 3dnowext 3dnow rep_good extd_apicid pni cx16 lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm 
extapic cr8_legacy 3dnowprefetch

bogomips: 3191.45
TLB size: 1024 4K pages
clflush size: 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes   : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management: ts fid vid ttp tm stc 100mhzsteps

processor   : 1
vendor_id   : AuthenticAMD
cpu family  : 15
model   : 107
model name  : AMD Athlon(tm) Neo X2 Dual Core Processor L335
stepping: 2
cpu MHz : 1595.727
cache size  : 256 KB
physical id : 0
siblings: 2
core id : 1
cpu cores   : 2
apicid  : 1
initial apicid  : 1
fpu : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp  : yes
flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov 
pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt rdtscp 
lm 3dnowext 3dnow rep_good extd_apicid pni cx16 lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm 
extapic cr8_legacy 3dnowprefetch

bogomips: 3191.89
TLB size: 1024 4K pages
clflush size: 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes   : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management: ts fid vid ttp tm stc 100mhzsteps

livecd ~ #

Re: [gentoo-user] Remove redundant entries in "world" - howto

[Helmut Jarausch]

On 12/08/10 14:40:56, Matthew Summers wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:23 AM, Helmut Jarausch
>  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > does anybody know about an easy method to remove all entries from
> > /var/lib/portage/world
> > which would have been pulled in anyway
> > even if they were not contained in world.
> >
> > My current attempt would be to write a script
> > which executes emerge -vpc on each entry in world.
> > If it wouldn't be removed it's obsolete in world.
> >
> > Unfortunately this has to be done in several rounds.
> >
> > Many thanks for a hint,
> > Helmut.
> >
> >
> 
> You may find that using 'emerge --deselect some-package' to be what
> you need. It removeds the file from your world file, but does not
> unmerge the package. That command switch is the functional opposite 
> of
> --noreplace.
> 
> I think you will find a wealth of information in the manpage for
> emerge. Happy reading!

Sorry, but I still don't see it.
The main question is which packages might be removed
from 'world'?

Helmut.

Re: [gentoo-user] Remove redundant entries in "world" - howto

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Helmut Jarausch
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> does anybody know about an easy method to remove all entries from
> /var/lib/portage/world
> which would have been pulled in anyway
> even if they were not contained in world.
>
> My current attempt would be to write a script
> which executes emerge -vpc on each entry in world.
> If it wouldn't be removed it's obsolete in world.
>
> Unfortunately this has to be done in several rounds.
>
> Many thanks for a hint,
> Helmut.
>
>

In my experience the world file isn't huge - 50-100 lines - but only
if it contains the things that really need to be there. I've simply
commented out specific entries and run emerge -pvDuN @world to
determine if the entry wasn't necessary, and if it wasn't then removed
it. When I've boiled it down to things that need to be there (I.e. - I
can still run emerge -pvDuN @world and there would be no changes) then
I run emerge - p --depclean to look at what can be removed, make sure
it's OK, and then run depclean for real.

Hope this helps,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Remove redundant entries in "world" - howto

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 17:22 on Wednesday 08 December 2010, Helmut 
Jarausch did opine thusly:

> On 12/08/10 14:40:56, Matthew Summers wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:23 AM, Helmut Jarausch
> > 
> >  wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > does anybody know about an easy method to remove all entries from
> > > /var/lib/portage/world
> > > which would have been pulled in anyway
> > > even if they were not contained in world.
> > > 
> > > My current attempt would be to write a script
> > > which executes emerge -vpc on each entry in world.
> > > If it wouldn't be removed it's obsolete in world.
> > > 
> > > Unfortunately this has to be done in several rounds.
> > > 
> > > Many thanks for a hint,
> > > Helmut.
> > 
> > You may find that using 'emerge --deselect some-package' to be what
> > you need. It removeds the file from your world file, but does not
> > unmerge the package. That command switch is the functional opposite
> > of
> > --noreplace.
> > 
> > I think you will find a wealth of information in the manpage for
> > emerge. Happy reading!
> 
> Sorry, but I still don't see it.
> The main question is which packages might be removed
> from 'world'?


Your tools for this are two eyeballs and a brain. World gets bloated when 
users emerge libs and apps blindly that are covered by other packages and -
meta ebuilds (avoid this with emerge -1)

Edit the world file and remove everything you think might not be needed. Leave 
only apps you know for sure you need and want. Then run "emerge -p --depclean" 
which may or may not want to remove stuff. Inspect the list and add important 
stuff back into world with "emerge -n". Repeat until --depclean returns null 
output.

eix-test-obsolete also gives useful clues about redundant world entries, but 
not in a clearly laid out section like you are after. I know of no app that 
does that.


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Remove redundant entries in "world" - howto

[Albert Hopkins]

On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 07:57 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Helmut Jarausch
>  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > does anybody know about an easy method to remove all entries from
> > /var/lib/portage/world
> > which would have been pulled in anyway
> > even if they were not contained in world.
> >
> > My current attempt would be to write a script
> > which executes emerge -vpc on each entry in world.
> > If it wouldn't be removed it's obsolete in world.
> >
> > Unfortunately this has to be done in several rounds.
> >
> > Many thanks for a hint,
> > Helmut.
> >
> >
> 
> In my experience the world file isn't huge - 50-100 lines - but only
> if it contains the things that really need to be there. I've simply
> commented out specific entries and run emerge -pvDuN @world to
> determine if the entry wasn't necessary, and if it wasn't then removed
> it. When I've boiled it down to things that need to be there (I.e. - I
> can still run emerge -pvDuN @world and there would be no changes) then
> I run emerge - p --depclean to look at what can be removed, make sure
> it's OK, and then run depclean for real.

I have a script I used to locate "redudancies" in the world file.  It
requires gentoolkit.  It basically looks at packages in world that have
reverse dependencies also in world (but only goes one level deep).  Just

# auditworld < /var/lib/portage/world

http://paste.pocoo.org/show/302273/

Re: [gentoo-user] Remove redundant entries in "world" - howto

[Daniel Pielmeier]

Helmut Jarausch :
> Hi,
>
> does anybody know about an easy method to remove all entries from
> /var/lib/portage/world
> which would have been pulled in anyway
> even if they were not contained in world.
>
> My current attempt would be to write a script
> which executes emerge -vpc on each entry in world.
> If it wouldn't be removed it's obsolete in world.
>
> Unfortunately this has to be done in several rounds.

As far as I know there is currently no tool available for something like this.

I have a skript which runs emerge -pv --depclean for every entry in
world. If depclean returns reverse dependencies the package in
question is redundant in world. It takes quite some time but works
reliable. There are false positives for packages with PDEPENDS, but
you will recognize this when "emerge -pv --depclean" wants to remove
packages which you want to keep afterwards and you can add them back
manually.

Another method would be removing the world file (backup before) and
run the regenworld script afterwards. The result is not really minimal
so there will still be redundant entries.

I asked the portage maintainer about such a tool, as it would be best
if it uses the portage API to speed things up. He didn't not see the
point of such a script but thought about writing something which
creates a minimal word file. If you want such a functionality I
recommend to open a bug about it.

-- 
Daniel Pielmeier

Re: [gentoo-user] pam_permit on optional by default on pambase-20101024, but documentation says very dangerous

[Stroller]

On 8/12/2010, at 6:29am, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> I'm usually slow at updating my gentoo machine, and I think I was
>> behind by about a month from last update. Anyways, I noticed that the
>> recent pambase-20101024 has pam_permit optional on for auth, account
>> and password in /etc/pam.d/system-auth.
>> 
>> That didn't sound real neat, so Iooked it up in the manual and it says
>> "very dangerous, use with extreme caution."
> ...
> 
> The pam maintainer usually blogs about his changes:
> 
> http://blog.flameeyes.eu


I read a little because I was interested.

To be more specific, this entry mentions pam_permit:
http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2010/10/24/new-pambase-choices

This entry seems to suggest that Portage makes automated /etc configurations 
problematic:
http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2010/04/29/pambase-is-not-that-free

Stroller

Re: [gentoo-user] Remove redundant entries in "world" - howto

[Stroller]

On 8/12/2010, at 4:11pm, Albert Hopkins wrote:
> ...
> I have a script I used to locate "redudancies" in the world file.  It
> requires gentoolkit.  It basically looks at packages in world that have
> reverse dependencies also in world (but only goes one level deep).  Just
> 
> # auditworld < /var/lib/portage/world
> 
> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/302273/

I think this only works on ~ARCH, right?

On x86 I get:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./auditworld", line 20, in 
import gentoolkit.sets
ImportError: No module named sets

Stroller

Re: [gentoo-user] Remove redundant entries in "world" - howto

[Albert Hopkins]

On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 16:28 +, Stroller wrote:

> > http://paste.pocoo.org/show/302273/
> 
> I think this only works on ~ARCH, right?
> 
> On x86 I get:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "./auditworld", line 20, in 
> import gentoolkit.sets
> ImportError: No module named sets
> 

... probaby.  I have an older (untested) version you can try:

http://paste.pocoo.org/show/302309/

Re: [gentoo-user] Remove redundant entries in "world" - howto

[Helmut Jarausch]

On 12/08/10 17:11:58, Albert Hopkins wrote:
> I have a script I used to locate "redudancies" in the world file.  It
> requires gentoolkit.  It basically looks at packages in world that
> have
> reverse dependencies also in world (but only goes one level deep). 
> Just
> 
> # auditworld < /var/lib/portage/world
> 
> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/302273/

Many thanks, I've updated it a bit to generate a new world
file (using python3)
http://paste.pocoo.org/show/302337/
One should have a look at the diffs (e.g. meld) before replacing
the old world file.

Helmut.

Re: [gentoo-user] Remove redundant entries in "world" - howto

[Kevin O'Gorman]

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Stroller wrote:

>
> On 8/12/2010, at 4:11pm, Albert Hopkins wrote:
> > ...
> > I have a script I used to locate "redudancies" in the world file.  It
> > requires gentoolkit.  It basically looks at packages in world that have
> > reverse dependencies also in world (but only goes one level deep).  Just
> >
> > # auditworld < /var/lib/portage/world
> >
> > http://paste.pocoo.org/show/302273/
>
> I think this only works on ~ARCH, right?
>
> On x86 I get:
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "./auditworld", line 20, in 
>import gentoolkit.sets
> ImportError: No module named set
>

Are you sure it's even it gentoolkit?  I have that but no auditworld on x86.
It's not in gentoolkit-dev either.

-- 
Kevin O'Gorman, PhD

Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Wednesday 08 December 2010, Dale wrote:
> <<< SNIP >>>
> 
> I have a question.  The cooler Master HAF 932 case has some LARGE fans
> in it, about 200mm or so.  The Gigabyte mobo has power connectors for
> case fans.  Is it safe to plug a fan that large into the mobo?  I have
> no idea how much power it pulls.  If it is safe, that would be great and
> a lot easier.  If not, I'll use the adapter thingy.  I just don't want
> to hook it to that and burn out my mobo.
> 
> I got most of the stuff in today.  Waiting on the DVD drive, a cable or
> two and the video card.  So far, assembly is going well.  Since I got
> some extra time, I'm going to try to do some good cable management.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)

depends on how much the fan needs and how much the mobo delivers. You can find 
all that information in the manuals ;)

Re: [gentoo-user] Remove redundant entries in "world" - howto

[Sebastian Beßler]

Are you sure it's even it gentoolkit?  I have that but no auditworld on x86.
It's not in gentoolkit-dev either.


It's not IN gentoolkit, it NEEDS gentoolkit.

It is here: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/302273/

Greetings

Sebastian Beßler

Re: [gentoo-user] Which architecture ???

[meino . cramer]

KIM WHALEN  [10-12-08 18:33]:
> 
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Matthew Summers wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:58 AM, dhk  wrote:
> >>On 12/08/2010 07:57 AM, Michael Hampicke wrote:
> I don't see any address size but when I cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 
> size I
> get casche size 256 KB and clflush size 64.  The laptop has 4G of 
> memory.
> >>>
> >>>With 4G or more I would go with amd64.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Thanks all, I'll give it a try.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >If you don't mind, could you post the output of 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'? I
> >am interested in some of the details of that CPU. Mainly I am curious
> >if it is a fam10 cpu or something else.
> >
> >TIA,
> >-- 
> >Matthew W. Summers
> 
> 
> 
> livecd ~ # cat /proc/cpuinfo
> processor : 0
> vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
> cpu family: 15
> model : 107
> model name: AMD Athlon(tm) Neo X2 Dual Core Processor L335
> stepping  : 2
> cpu MHz   : 1595.727
> cache size: 256 KB
> physical id   : 0
> siblings  : 2
> core id   : 0
> cpu cores : 2
> apicid: 0
> initial apicid: 0
> fpu   : yes
> fpu_exception : yes
> cpuid level   : 1
> wp: yes
> flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov 
> pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt 
> rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow rep_good extd_apicid pni cx16 lahf_lm 
> cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy 3dnowprefetch
> bogomips  : 3191.45
> TLB size  : 1024 4K pages
> clflush size  : 64
> cache_alignment   : 64
> address sizes : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
> power management: ts fid vid ttp tm stc 100mhzsteps
> 
> processor : 1
> vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
> cpu family: 15
> model : 107
> model name: AMD Athlon(tm) Neo X2 Dual Core Processor L335
> stepping  : 2
> cpu MHz   : 1595.727
> cache size: 256 KB
> physical id   : 0
> siblings  : 2
> core id   : 1
> cpu cores : 2
> apicid: 1
> initial apicid: 1
> fpu   : yes
> fpu_exception : yes
> cpuid level   : 1
> wp: yes
> flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov 
> pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt 
> rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow rep_good extd_apicid pni cx16 lahf_lm 
> cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy 3dnowprefetch
> bogomips  : 3191.89
> TLB size  : 1024 4K pages
> clflush size  : 64
> cache_alignment   : 64
> address sizes : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
> power management: ts fid vid ttp tm stc 100mhzsteps
> 
> livecd ~ #
> 

Hi,

from the above youu will find

> address sizes : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual

may be you mistyped the grep keyword ?

:)

Welcome to the AMD64 family ! :)

Have a nice evening!
Best regards,
mcc

Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$

[Dale]

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:

On Wednesday 08 December 2010, Dale wrote:
   

<<<  SNIP>>>

I have a question.  The cooler Master HAF 932 case has some LARGE fans
in it, about 200mm or so.  The Gigabyte mobo has power connectors for
case fans.  Is it safe to plug a fan that large into the mobo?  I have
no idea how much power it pulls.  If it is safe, that would be great and
a lot easier.  If not, I'll use the adapter thingy.  I just don't want
to hook it to that and burn out my mobo.

I got most of the stuff in today.  Waiting on the DVD drive, a cable or
two and the video card.  So far, assembly is going well.  Since I got
some extra time, I'm going to try to do some good cable management.

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-)
 

depends on how much the fan needs and how much the mobo delivers. You can find
all that information in the manuals ;)


   


Well, I finally found out the fan needs a max of 4 watts, about .16 
amps.  I can't find it in the mobo manual but will look some more.  I 
don't see it on the website either.  I just lucked up on the fan info.  
I found it on the case website where you can buy replacement fans.


I found some specs on 120mm fans.  Some of them draw as much as .24 
amps.  The CPU fan is 120mm to and it is supposed to be plugged into the 
mobo according to the manufacturer of it.


I would think this is safe based on the above info but would love a 
couple other opinions on this.  Also, what would get hot if it is 
pulling to much?  I got one of those temp sensor thingys that is 
infrared that I could check it with.  I could also give it the finger 
test.  ;-)


Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Remove redundant entries in "world" - howto

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:22:13 +0100, Helmut Jarausch wrote:

> Sorry, but I still don't see it.
> The main question is which packages might be removed
> from 'world'?

If you don't use it directly, it should probably be removed - so lib* for
a start. Then run emerge --depclean -p and see what would be uninstalled.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

I have a mind like a steel...uh...thingamajig...


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Re: [gentoo-user] Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$

[Dale]

Dale wrote:


Well, I finally found out the fan needs a max of 4 watts, about .16 
amps.  I can't find it in the mobo manual but will look some more.  I 
don't see it on the website either.  I just lucked up on the fan 
info.  I found it on the case website where you can buy replacement fans.


I found some specs on 120mm fans.  Some of them draw as much as .24 
amps.  The CPU fan is 120mm to and it is supposed to be plugged into 
the mobo according to the manufacturer of it.


I would think this is safe based on the above info but would love a 
couple other opinions on this.  Also, what would get hot if it is 
pulling to much?  I got one of those temp sensor thingys that is 
infrared that I could check it with.  I could also give it the finger 
test.  ;-)


Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-)



OK.  I been giving the google server a workout.  Changing search terms 
and looking everywhere I could.  I finally found this post on a forums.  
He claims this is what Gigabyte sent him.


"I've just heard from Gigabyte support on this topic - the max is 3 amps 
at 12 volts. This is confirmed by other information I've found."


http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte/34292-gigabyte-ga-ex58-ud4p-cpu-fan-header.html#post318935

So, if that is true, I should be able to plug in some pretty good size 
fans that blow air at hurricane speeds.


Wish me luck when the fans start up.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] trouble with new gnome (~amd64)

[Keith Dart]

=== On Wed, 12/08, Allan Gottlieb wrote: ===
> Anyone else had trouble and any fixes?

===

Nothing specific, but...

The gnome suite doesn't come in all together. It seems to take several
days, if not weeks, for the complete gnome to appear in portage.
Whenever I see some new gnome release start to come in I always hold
off on system updates for at least a week. 

But since you already started it, you should probably just keep "emerge
-uD world" every day until everything works again. 

Also, sometimes the old configurations don't work quite the same with
new releases. So, try going through all the control panel configuration
areas, even if you don't change anything, and check the configs.



-- Keith Dart

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Re: [gentoo-user] Remove redundant entries in "world" - howto

[Johannes Kimmel]

On 12/08/2010 12:23 PM, Helmut Jarausch wrote:

Hi,

does anybody know about an easy method to remove all entries from
/var/lib/portage/world
which would have been pulled in anyway
even if they were not contained in world.

My current attempt would be to write a script
which executes emerge -vpc on each entry in world.
If it wouldn't be removed it's obsolete in world.

Unfortunately this has to be done in several rounds.

Many thanks for a hint,
Helmut.




Hi,

I wanted to add, that a minimal world in my opinion isn't always what 
you want. For example in the time I searched for a suitable window 
manager for me I did a lot of depclean these days and accidently removed 
the xserver. There was no harm done, but I figured, that my world file 
should contain all packages, that should never removed automatically 
unless I want to. This way there is a little less danger involved using 
depclean. So this type of work might only be done by hand.


Johannes Kimmel

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo with ZIMBRA

[Jesús J . Guerrero Botella]

El día 7 de diciembre de 2010 10:26, Mag. Ing. Emilio Del Campo Z.
 escribió:
> Hi Everyone.. Hola  todos,
> quiza alguno que entienda español? deseo probar gentoo con zimbra o con
> algun metodo, mail server, antivirus, antispam y webmail que pudieran
> recomendar, las gracias de antemano y perdon por el español.

Por favor, subscríbete a la lista "gentoo-user-es" y pregunta allí. Es
el mejor lugar para obtener ayuda de hispanohablantes.

Alternativamente, puedes usar el subforo español:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewforum-f-30.html

Aquí tienes una lista con todas las listas de correo disponibles en
Gentoo, incluyendo las de habla no inglesa:

http://www.gentoo.org/main/es/lists.xml

Saludos.

-- 
Jesús Guerrero Botella

[gentoo-user] /etc/make.profile symlink broken

[Trifu Catalin Florin]

Hi all

I'm struggling for several weeks to get my systems up to date. I have two 
systems which haven't been updated for an year or so.
I have also opened a topic on the gentoo forum that can be found at this 
address: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-852377-highlight-.html 


As you will see in that topic, the error was related to a circular dependency 
between gcc and glibc. I didn't manage to solve the problem but tonight I had 
an 
other error.
On one of the systems, the symlink between /etc/make.profile was broken. I have 
discovered when I have tried to do emerge --update --deep world. I don't know 
why 

and I'm a little bit scared because I couldn't find anything in the bash 
history 
that could have give me a clue of the mistake I have made which lead to the 
destruction of 

that symlink. This would be my first question, did anyone experienced the same 
problem? Does anyone has any idea of a mistake that could lead to this result?

I have mapped /etc/make.profile with another profile and I have tried to update 
the system again. This time, the error thrown by portage was something related 
to xz-utils,
but unfortunately I didn't copy the error. Can anyone tell me a brief 
explanation of what a profile is and how does it affect my system? What is the 
difference between the 

profiles listed under /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/2008.0 and those 
listed under /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/10.0 ? Can you please tell 
me what should I
read in order to find more information about this profiles? 

Thank you in advance!



  

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/make.profile symlink broken

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 01:10 on Thursday 09 December 2010, Trifu 
Catalin Florin did opine thusly:

> Hi all
> 
> I'm struggling for several weeks to get my systems up to date. I have two
> systems which haven't been updated for an year or so.
> I have also opened a topic on the gentoo forum that can be found at this
> address: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-852377-highlight-.html
> 
> 
> As you will see in that topic, the error was related to a circular
> dependency between gcc and glibc. I didn't manage to solve the problem but
> tonight I had an other error.

I had this a while ago. IIRC it was something to do with going directly to 
glibc-2.11 but the version numbers don't matter.

The solution is to upgrade one package to a version less than most recent that 
DOES NOT cause blockers. Then emerge world and it will all be fine.

In your case, emerge a glibc-2.10 first, then world.

> On one of the systems, the symlink between /etc/make.profile was broken. I
> have discovered when I have tried to do emerge --update --deep world. I
> don't know why
> 
> and I'm a little bit scared because I couldn't find anything in the bash
> history that could have give me a clue of the mistake I have made which
> lead to the destruction of
> 
> that symlink. This would be my first question, did anyone experienced the
> same problem? Does anyone has any idea of a mistake that could lead to
> this result?

I have no idea. I also have absolutely no way to help you as you haven't said 
what the symlink is. You are basically saying "My box is broken. What's wrong? 
Please help!" I can't answer that.

Post output of "ls -al /etc/make.profile"   

> I have mapped /etc/make.profile with another profile and I have tried to
> update the system again. This time, the error thrown by portage was
> something related to xz-utils,
> but unfortunately I didn't copy the error. 

Then you must run it again, copy the error and post it. We cannot help you 
without that.

You probably have the recent blocker on xz-utils.

> Can anyone tell me a brief
> explanation of what a profile is and how does it affect my system? 

A profile is basically a definition of the minimum packages needed to get a 
working system. You must have a toolchain and python for instance, so a 
profile will tell portage to include these and they must be there. Different 
architectures have different needs and profiles cater for these as well.

A profile is a bunch of files in a directory. If you look in one you will find 
things there that are similar to what you created in /etc/portage/* and they 
tend to work the same way.


> What is
> the difference between the
> 
> profiles listed under /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/2008.0 and
> those listed under /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/10.0 ? 

10.0 is the current profile
2208.0 is an old one

To find the differences, you must compare the files in them.

> Can you
> please tell me what should I
> read in order to find more information about this profiles?

Read the portage install docs at gentoo.org
Read the man pages for portage. there's about 10 of them. Read them all.
Then read this to find out how to best ask list questions and get good 
answers:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html



> 
> Thank you in advance!

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

[gentoo-user] Re: No cdrom device created

[walt]

On 12/07/2010 05:15 PM, Harry Putnam wrote:

walt  writes:

[...]


dmesg|grep -2 hdc

[1.416847] hdb: UDMA/100 mode selected
[1.417357] Probing IDE interface ide1...
[2.089165] hdc: LITE-ON CD-ROM LTN-5291S, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive


You're still using the deprecated ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL disk drivers. You
should completely unselect that set of drivers and use the newer ones
in Serial ATA and Parallel ATA drivers instead.

Doing that will cause all of your /dev/hd* to be renamed /dev/sd*
including any cd/dvd drives.  My /dev/cdrom is a symlink to /dev/sr0,
for example.  The links are created automatically on the next reboot,
but you'll need to edit /etc/fstab to reflect the new drive names
before you reboot with the new kernel.


What is the advantage of doing that?  Are the other drivers better in
some way.  Maybe more likely to recognize /dev/hdc, or maybe more
likely to give helpful output if that fails...?


Remember, you won't have an hdc or any other hd* after switching drivers.

But yes, everything is more likely to "Just Work" if you get rid of the
old deprecated disk drivers and use the new ones instead.  I get the
feeling (but can't prove) that utilities like 'udisks' and 'udev' have
made the switch already to the sd* device names, and that's probably
why you are having this problem.

It solved the same problem for another poster a few weeks ago, can't
recall who it was.

Remember, if you screw up your /etc/fstab file, you can use the kernel
command-line option "root=/dev/sdx" when booting with grub.  You'll
eventually get the correct sd device by trial-and-error :)

[gentoo-user] Re: trouble with new gnome (~amd64)

[walt]

On 12/08/2010 04:50 AM, Allan Gottlieb wrote:

Yesterday many gnome-apps were updated to 2.32.

There is a problem with evolution's addr book, but for me that is minor.

However, the gnome panel doesn't work.  It starts, remains running,
cannot be killed (even with -9) but does not display the panel.


I agree with Keith, but I would also suggest starting with a completely
clean home directory, just as a test.

The easiest way to do such a test is to create a new "test" user, so you
don't need to risk losing all the existing gnome settings in your regular
home directory.

Create a new "test" user and then log in as "test", and see if you get
the same problem with the gnome panel.  My guess is that everything will
work normally, so you'll need to figure out what item in your regular
~/gnome-related directories is causing the gnome panel to hang.

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/make.profile symlink broken

[Stroller]

On 8/12/2010, at 11:10pm, Trifu Catalin Florin wrote:
> ...
> I'm struggling for several weeks to get my systems up to date. I have two 
> systems which haven't been updated for an year or so.
> I have also opened a topic on the gentoo forum that can be found at this 
> address: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-852377-highlight-.html 

I advise posters to read the above thread before responding. 

I was going to reply, but now feel terrified to do so!

Have you not updated in 1 year or 3, Trifu? This is a very important 
distinction.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trouble with new gnome (~amd64)

[Allan Gottlieb]

walt  writes:

> On 12/08/2010 04:50 AM, Allan Gottlieb wrote:
>> Yesterday many gnome-apps were updated to 2.32.
>>
>> There is a problem with evolution's addr book, but for me that is minor.
>>
>> However, the gnome panel doesn't work.  It starts, remains running,
>> cannot be killed (even with -9) but does not display the panel.
>
> I agree with Keith, but I would also suggest starting with a completely
> clean home directory, just as a test.
>
> The easiest way to do such a test is to create a new "test" user, so you
> don't need to risk losing all the existing gnome settings in your regular
> home directory.
>
> Create a new "test" user and then log in as "test", and see if you get
> the same problem with the gnome panel.  My guess is that everything will
> work normally, so you'll need to figure out what item in your regular
> ~/gnome-related directories is causing the gnome panel to hang.

Your guess was right!  I looked in .xsession-errors and checked for
"failed".

I found the following  msg many times

Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "gnomebreakpad": libgnomebreakpad.so:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

Is that a clue?

allan

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trouble with new gnome (~amd64)

[Allan Gottlieb]

walt  writes:

> Create a new "test" user and then log in as "test", and see if you get
> the same problem with the gnome panel.  My guess is that everything will
> work normally, so you'll need to figure out what item in your regular
> ~/gnome-related directories is causing the gnome panel to hang.

Good guess.  Should I do the following?  Is it safe?

mv ~/.gnome2/panel2.d someplace-safe
mkdir ~/gnome2/panel

mv ~/.gconf/apps/panel someplace-safe
mkdir ~/.gconf/apps/panel

thanks,
allan

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/make.profile symlink broken

[Stroller]

On 8/12/2010, at 11:10pm, Trifu Catalin Florin wrote:
> ...
> On one of the systems, the symlink between /etc/make.profile was broken. ...
> and I'm a little bit scared because I couldn't find anything in the bash 
> history that could have give me a clue of the mistake I have made which lead 
> to the destruction of that symlink. This would be my first question, did 
> anyone experienced the same problem? Does anyone has any idea of a mistake 
> that could lead to this result?
> 
> I have mapped /etc/make.profile with another profile and I have tried to 
> update the system again. ... Can anyone tell me a brief explanation of what a 
> profile is and how does it affect my system? What is the difference between 
> the 
> profiles listed under /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/2008.0 and 
> those listed under /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/10.0 ? 

The symlink probably got broken because the profiles are part of the 
information that Portage updates when you `emerge sync` - i.e. they're in 
/usr/portage/profiles/ and the whole of /usr/portage/ is prone to being updated 
during the sync.

If I'm reading your forums posting correctly I'd guess you were using a 2007 
profile, and that's no longer in Portage.

This is nothing to get in a panic about or worry about or blame yourself for.

Just `eselect profile list` & `eselect profile set`, forget about it and move 
onto the next thing. You have FAR more to worry about, and will need to give us 
a LOT more information if you want to upgrade this machine to current and want 
our help.

As Alan tried to say 2008 and 10 refer to the "publication year" of the 
profile. Profiles contain stuff like default USE (e.g. 
"/usr/portage/profiles/base/package.use") flags and hard-pinned versions of 
certain packages. For normal use you don't need to know no more than this - I 
don't and I've been using Gentoo 7 years.

Stroller.