Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and HARD lock ups.
On Friday 08 Jul 2011 05:43:58 Dale wrote: > walt wrote: > > On 07/05/2011 10:38 PM, Dale wrote: > >> My current plan, finish this new install. Test the ram and hope it is > >> OK. > > > > I can feel your pain :( This may not help, but I thought I'd mention it > > just because nothing else has helped so far. > > > > I started having random keyboard issues right after the most recent xorg > > update on my ~x86 and ~amd64 machines. > > > > Maybe just once/day or so I'll hit a key and the auto-repeat function > > starts repeating the keystroke ad infinitum until I hit Backspace. > > > > This is not a lockup like your problem, but it was striking that this > > random keyboard problem started right after the recent xorg update. > > (Yes, I recompiled all the drivers after the upgrade.) > > > > Since you are recompiling/reinstalling everything anyway, what about > > masking the most recent xorg-server/xorg-driver updates so you can test > > older versions? You quad-core speed demon ;p > > I'm going to add this to the "to try" list. That sort of makes sense. > Most of the time it is a hard lock up. It won't even let me ssh in from > my old rig or use the SysReq keys. Sometimes tho, it acts like things > are still running but the GUI is locked up. I didn't get to try to ssh > in then tho. I know once I had a compile running and I could see the > hard drive light blinking as it compiled. So something was working that > time at least. One thing I did learn, if the lights on the keyboard > are blinking, it's locked up tight. If they are not blinking, I can use > the SysReq keys to reboot. > > I also thought about just booting Knoppix and seeing if it works. Maybe > it is just some weird code that Konsole and Firefox have in common > somehow. The only thing is, I'm sure they will use different version of > all the software. It may not make any difference except to rule out > hardware. I'm pretty sure hardware is OK but we know how hard those are > to track down. > > One more thing on the try list if this doesn't work. > > Thanks. > > Dale I'm stating the obvious here, but have you tried restoring from a back up that you made before these problems started? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Lexmark X5650 working in Gentoo Linux?
Carlos Sura wrote: Hello, I've been looking how to get working this printer in my gentoo-b0x, searched in gentoo wiki, but those ebuilds and links are not updated, they are a little bit old and none of that worked for me. I was thinking if there was any chance if anyone of you have this printer installed to tell me how to get it work for me... Or a howto, tutorial, manual? Regards, -- Carlos Sura.- From what I have read in the past, very few Lexmark printers work in Linux. The last time I checked, the ones that did claim to work had a lot of things missing. I like some things about Lexmark but as a Linux only user, I had to pick something else for my printer. I would check here before buying to see what is supported: http://www.openprinting.org/printers Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and HARD lock ups.
walt wrote: On 07/05/2011 10:38 PM, Dale wrote: My current plan, finish this new install. Test the ram and hope it is OK. I can feel your pain :( This may not help, but I thought I'd mention it just because nothing else has helped so far. I started having random keyboard issues right after the most recent xorg update on my ~x86 and ~amd64 machines. Maybe just once/day or so I'll hit a key and the auto-repeat function starts repeating the keystroke ad infinitum until I hit Backspace. This is not a lockup like your problem, but it was striking that this random keyboard problem started right after the recent xorg update. (Yes, I recompiled all the drivers after the upgrade.) Since you are recompiling/reinstalling everything anyway, what about masking the most recent xorg-server/xorg-driver updates so you can test older versions? You quad-core speed demon ;p I'm going to add this to the "to try" list. That sort of makes sense. Most of the time it is a hard lock up. It won't even let me ssh in from my old rig or use the SysReq keys. Sometimes tho, it acts like things are still running but the GUI is locked up. I didn't get to try to ssh in then tho. I know once I had a compile running and I could see the hard drive light blinking as it compiled. So something was working that time at least. One thing I did learn, if the lights on the keyboard are blinking, it's locked up tight. If they are not blinking, I can use the SysReq keys to reboot. I also thought about just booting Knoppix and seeing if it works. Maybe it is just some weird code that Konsole and Firefox have in common somehow. The only thing is, I'm sure they will use different version of all the software. It may not make any difference except to rule out hardware. I'm pretty sure hardware is OK but we know how hard those are to track down. One more thing on the try list if this doesn't work. Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?
On 2011年07月08日 04:01, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 07/07/11 15:36, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >> And what about gnome? Does that not impose a fantastic testing burden, >> alongside which gnome-mplayer is small in comparison? > > Yes, but the value of one's time isn't relative. If you'll allow me to > make up the numbers, just because it takes a month of time to test Gnome > doesn't mean that the day it would take to test gnome-mplayer is any > less valuable. In those eight hours you can still drink the same number > of beers, read the same number of books, or -- hell, in this case -- fix > the same number of bugs in other packages. The time when you reply this message, you've already done that test > > >> How about the devs relook at this and do it sanely. When the major >> consumer of gtk+ (gnome itself) has a stable gtk+-3 very in stable, >> then other packages follow suit, not before. > > I don't think anyone would disagree that this is nice to have; you just > have to find someone to do the work. Writing ebuilds is fun, setting up > test environments and recompiling all day is not. > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Lexmark X5650 working in Gentoo Linux?
On Thursday, July 7 at 21:18 (-0600), Carlos Sura said: > I was thinking if there was any chance if anyone of you have this > printer > installed to tell me how to get it work for me... Or a howto, > tutorial, > manual? According to openprinting.org, it's a paperweight.
[gentoo-user] Lexmark X5650 working in Gentoo Linux?
Hello, I've been looking how to get working this printer in my gentoo-b0x, searched in gentoo wiki, but those ebuilds and links are not updated, they are a little bit old and none of that worked for me. I was thinking if there was any chance if anyone of you have this printer installed to tell me how to get it work for me... Or a howto, tutorial, manual? Regards, -- Carlos Sura.- -- Carlos Sura.-
Re: [gentoo-user] DNS error with ssh
> I'd compare the output of strace ping and strace ssh . Anything > in nsswitch.conf? It seems to be used by ssh, but not by the host command. > Which is new to me. IIRC nslookup also only uses DNS servers, not the nsswitch.conf lookup option list. Since the ns probably stands for name server, that makes sense.
Re: [gentoo-user] DNS error with ssh
Grant writes: > I'm not able to ssh to any domain, although IPs work. I get: > > $ ssh example.com > ssh: Could not resolve hostname example.com: Name or service not known > > I can ping domains no problem, and web browsing works. I've tried > rebooting and re-emerging openssh. I am connected to an unfamiliar > wireless network (with no alternative right now) but I could ssh to > domains no problem over this network before. Does this make sense to > anyone? I'd compare the output of strace ping and strace ssh . Anything in nsswitch.conf? It seems to be used by ssh, but not by the host command. Which is new to me. Any recent changes in ~/.ssh/config or /etc/ssh/ssh_config? Normally I'd say this just can't happen... Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] DNS error with ssh
On Thursday, July 7 at 17:43 (-0700), Grant said: > > Yeah I don't get it. Check this out: > > $ ping google.com > PING google.com (74.125.224.84) 56(84) bytes of data. > 64 bytes from 74.125.224.84: icmp_req=1 ttl=55 time=97.1 ms > 64 bytes from 74.125.224.84: icmp_req=2 ttl=55 time=97.1 ms > 64 bytes from 74.125.224.84: icmp_req=3 ttl=55 time=97.5 ms > ^C > --- google.com ping statistics --- > 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 5142ms > rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 97.105/97.268/97.539/0.319 ms > $ ssh google.com > ssh: Could not resolve hostname google.com: Name or service not known > > - Grant > Check your ~/.ssh/config. For example: $ ssh localhost # works fine, but $ mv ~/.ssh/config ~/.ssh/config.bak $ cat -v config.test Host * HostName "%h ^H" $ mv config.test ~/.ssh/config $ ssh localhost ssh: Could not resolve hostname localhost: Name or service not known
Re: [gentoo-user] DNS error with ssh
>> host example.com > > I'm not sure which package that is. Its in bind-tools, which also has nslookup.
Re: [gentoo-user] Virt-manager
On Thursday, July 7 at 23:30 (+0100), john said: > On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 17:26:18 -0400 > > Have cleared up error messages using config as suggested. > > I still get the issue when starting /etc/init.d/libvirtd > > > * Starting libvirtd ... > > /usr/sbin/libvirtd: error: Unable to initialize network sockets. > > Check /var/log/messages or run without --daemon for more info. > > * start-stop-daemon: failed to start > > `/usr/sbin/libvirtd'[ !! ] > > * ERROR: libvirtd failed to start You'll have to turn up the logging level of libvirt (to find out exactly what it's trying to do and where it's erroring out). > BUT when i start /usr/sbin/libvirtd from command line virt-manager now > works. It lets me create vms (yippee) > > I was unaware that libvirtd was a separate package (thought it was part > of virt-manager. After reading your hints it dawned on me that is was > seaparate so have enabled more use flags. I should check more carefully > the output of emerge -vp. > libvirt (not libvirtd) is a seperate package, it (possibly) contains a number of things, including libvirt: the C library that allows you to manage many different types of virtualization platforms using a common API. Python bindings for the above A command-line and shell interface (called virsh) libvirtd, which is a daemon helper used to manage virtualization platforms which don't have their own management service (such as kvm). virt-manager, is a seperate product. It is a GUI interface written in python that is used to talk to manage different types of virtualization platforms. It uses libvirt (its python bindings) to do this. Think of it as a GUI version of virsh. But you don't need virt-manager to use libvirt, and you don't even need libvirtd to use libvirt (e.g. you are interfacing with Xen or VMware hypervisors). That's why I was trying to say it's good for you to figure out what you are trying to do, before you go through the trouble of figuring out how to solve a problem that doesn't even pertain to you and could have been avoided altogether just by choosing the right combination of USE flags. If you are just wanting have a GUI for Xen, for example, you don't even need to worry about libvirtd. If, for example, you are using KVM but you want the VMs to bridge off a physical interface and have no need for "virtual networks", then you don't even need the virt-net USE flag. > Anyway I am up and running with a big thanks to yourself and will have > a closer look at the service another day. Ok
Re: [gentoo-user] DNS error with ssh
>> I'm not able to ssh to any domain, although IPs work. I get: >> >> $ ssh example.com >> ssh: Could not resolve hostname example.com: Name or service not known >> >> I can ping domains no problem, and web browsing works. I've tried >> rebooting and re-emerging openssh. I am connected to an unfamiliar >> wireless network (with no alternative right now) but I could ssh to >> domains no problem over this network before. Does this make sense to >> anyone? > > It does not :) > > So, if you do: > > host example.com I'm not sure which package that is. > it shows the correct IP address? > > If you ssh to that IP address, it works? Yes, that works. > Nothing related to this hostname is in your /etc/hosts is it? Does > your /etc/resolv.conf look okay to you? /etc/hosts only has my 127.0.0.1 entry. /etc/resolv.conf looked fine with a domain entry and a nameserver entry but I removed both and added Google's nameserver at 8.8.8.8 and it works. > Weird... Yeah I don't get it. Check this out: $ ping google.com PING google.com (74.125.224.84) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 74.125.224.84: icmp_req=1 ttl=55 time=97.1 ms 64 bytes from 74.125.224.84: icmp_req=2 ttl=55 time=97.1 ms 64 bytes from 74.125.224.84: icmp_req=3 ttl=55 time=97.5 ms ^C --- google.com ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 5142ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 97.105/97.268/97.539/0.319 ms $ ssh google.com ssh: Could not resolve hostname google.com: Name or service not known - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] DNS error with ssh
> It does not :) Agreed. Both ping and ssh should either both work or both fail - assuming of course you are trying to ping the same host that you're trying to ssh to. You could try using an alternate DNS server, like google public ones 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. DHCP will have automatically updated your /etc/resolv.conf but you can still edit it. Just remember it will be overwritten again the next time you connect.
[gentoo-user] Re: Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?
On 07/07/2011 10:30 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 07 July 2011 10:12:43 微菜 did opine thusly: Devs can do what ever they think are right. Don't argue with them unless you pay them. Want gtk2 support? Put your ebuild in your personal overlay. Gentoo users have developed a certain expectation over the years, whereby devs will take user needs seriously and go to extra-ordinary lengths to support everything under the sun. That's what Gentoo does. No, it doesn't. The devs made up their minds. There is absolutely nothing we can do. Other than doing the devrel thing, which I'm sure won't work anyway, given the userrel response. Users are worth crap to Gentoo devs.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?
On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 15:50:31 -0700, walt wrote: > IIUC the ubuntu devs are employees of Canonical, or at least the lead > devs are. I dunno if ubuntu includes volunteer devs or not. It does, they're called Debian devs :P -- Neil Bothwick A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] DNS error with ssh
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Grant wrote: > I'm not able to ssh to any domain, although IPs work. I get: > > $ ssh example.com > ssh: Could not resolve hostname example.com: Name or service not known > > I can ping domains no problem, and web browsing works. I've tried > rebooting and re-emerging openssh. I am connected to an unfamiliar > wireless network (with no alternative right now) but I could ssh to > domains no problem over this network before. Does this make sense to > anyone? It does not :) So, if you do: host example.com it shows the correct IP address? If you ssh to that IP address, it works? Nothing related to this hostname is in your /etc/hosts is it? Does your /etc/resolv.conf look okay to you? Weird...
[gentoo-user] Re: Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?
On 07/07/2011 05:07 AM, Stroller wrote: > Ubuntu users complain sometimes about similar things (such as Unity), > about their bug reports being marked as WONTFIX, but their devs seem > generally politer and more ready to explain their reasons than Gentoo > devs. IIUC the ubuntu devs are employees of Canonical, or at least the lead devs are. I dunno if ubuntu includes volunteer devs or not.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.
On Thursday 07 Jul 2011, Dale wrote: > Well, I'm going to send this then open Konsole. See if it locks up again. There was a fairly well documented problem, on the Gentoo fora at least, with the nvidia drivers, Xorg-server-1.10, KDE 4.6 and Konsole. I had it on several machines that locked up as soon as you resized konsole. The solution was to fall-back to Xorg 1.9 server and drivers. However, with the latest Xorg drivers and nvidia drivers, the problem is solved: [I] x11-base/xorg-drivers (1.11@01/07/11): Meta package containing deps on all xorg drivers [I] x11-base/xorg-server (1.10.2@25/06/11): X.Org X servers [I] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers (275.09.07@25/06/11): NVIDIA X11 driver and GLX libraries I am running kernel 2.6.39-r2 but i don't believe that is critical. HTH -Robin -- -- Robin Atwood. "Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst, Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst" from "Mandalay" by Rudyard Kipling -- -- -- Robin Atwood. mobile: +91 9986 037121 --
Re: [gentoo-user] gcc and glibc. Which unstable to pick?
Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Dale wrote: As the list knows, I been having random lock ups on my system. I'm in the process of one last emerge -e world but I'm not holding my breath it will change anything. So, I'm wanting to try a unstable version of both gcc and glibc. Do what you will but this seems a very radical step to take at this point. It seems to me you are assuming there are bugs in gcc and glibc that are both effecting you now and will be fixed in the new versions. I'm not sure that logic really holds water. Wouldn't you be possibly better off to learn to run gdb on Firefox and look for problems in a more conventional way? Did you manage to remove all plugins from Firefox and prove it's not a Flash or Java issue? - Mark I don't think Konsole uses Flash or java. I'm not sure how one relates to the other. Whatever this is, it has Konsole and Firefox in common that I know of. There are lots of programs that I have not even tried to run. I don't want to just lock up my system unless I think I have a fix. Hitting that reset button may just ruin a install and cause me all sorts of grief. I do know this, I ran into something like this before and it was either gcc or glibc. I'm pretty sure it was gcc. Since this has a history of fixing things, I may as well try that to. I may add that I did find where people were having problems with programs crashing when using the current glibc. It may not be related to my problem but we don't know that either. I just finished a emerge -e world and am going to see if KDE will run or lock up. I'm hoping but not holding my breath. Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] DNS error with ssh
I'm not able to ssh to any domain, although IPs work. I get: $ ssh example.com ssh: Could not resolve hostname example.com: Name or service not known I can ping domains no problem, and web browsing works. I've tried rebooting and re-emerging openssh. I am connected to an unfamiliar wireless network (with no alternative right now) but I could ssh to domains no problem over this network before. Does this make sense to anyone? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Virt-manager
On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 17:26:18 -0400 Albert Hopkins wrote: > > > On Thursday, July 7 at 20:46 (+0100), john said: > > Well, I see several errors, you may want to start with the first one > and work your way down. > > > iptables is running, bridging and tun have been loaded as modules > > iproute2 has now been installed but makes no odds. Not sure about > > brctl as I can't find this? > > > > Have started libvirtd and get the following > > when trying to start virt-manager > > > > 20:28:05.083: 5216: info : > > libvirt version: 0.9.1 20:28:05.083: 5216: error : > > virCommandWait:1281 : internal error Child process (/sbin/iptables > > --table mangle --insert POSTROUTING --out-interface virbr0 > > --protocol udp --destination-port 68 --jump CHECKSUM > > --checksum-fill) status unexpected: exit status 1 > > iptables is failing. Maybe you don't have the correct modules or have > them installed. > > > 20:28:05.084: 5216: warning : networkAddGeneralIptablesRules:1199 : > > Could not add rule to fixup DHCP response checksums on network > > 'default'. 20:28:05.084: 5216: warning : > > networkAddGeneralIptablesRules:1200 : May need to update iptables > > package & kernel to support CHECKSUM rule. 20:28:05.256: 5216: > > error : virCommandWait:1281 : internal error Child process > > (/sbin/ip addr add 192.168.122.1/24 broadcast 192.168.122.255 dev > > virbr0) status unexpected: exit status 1 20:28:05.256: 5216: error : > > networkAddAddrToBridge:1625 : internal error cannot set IP address > > on bridge 'virbr0' 20:28:05.449: 5216: error : virCommandWait:1281 : > > internal error Child process (/sbin/iptables --table mangle --delete > > POSTROUTING --out-interface virbr0 --protocol udp > > --destination-port 68 --jump CHECKSUM --checksum-fill) status > > unexpected: exit status 1 20:28:05.481: 5216: warning : > > networkStartNetworkDaemon:1800 : Failed to delete dummy tap device > > '(null)' on bridge 'virbr0' : Invalid argument 20:28:05.526: 5216: > > error : udevGetDMIData:1493 : Failed to get udev device for syspath > > '/sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id' or '/sys/class/dmi/id' 20:28:51.078: > > 5219: error : remoteDispatchAuthPolkit:5139 : Policy kit denied > > action org.libvirt.unix.manage from pid 6810, uid 1000: exit status > > 1 20:31:26.177: 5218: error : do_open:1085 : no connection driver > > available for No connection for URI qemu:///system > > > > Does mean something++ > > no connection driver > > available for No connection for URI qemu:///system > > > > The subsequent errors may be because of the first. So I'd start with > that. > > If you are not going to use virtual networks, then you could simply > disable the virt-net USE flag and save yourself some time. > > As for as iptables. You need the right sub-drivers (or whatever > they're called). Basically if you are using virtual networking you > need to be able to do NAT. I have the following: > > CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK=m > CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_MARK=y > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_EVENTS is not set > # CONFIG_NF_CT_PROTO_DCCP is not set > # CONFIG_NF_CT_PROTO_SCTP is not set > # CONFIG_NF_CT_PROTO_UDPLITE is not set > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_AMANDA is not set > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_FTP is not set > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_H323 is not set > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IRC is not set > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_NETBIOS_NS is not set > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_PPTP is not set > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_SANE is not set > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_SIP is not set > # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_TFTP is not set > # CONFIG_NF_CT_NETLINK is not set > CONFIG_NF_DEFRAG_IPV4=m > CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV4=m > CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_PROC_COMPAT=y > # CONFIG_IP_NF_QUEUE is not set > CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES=m > CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_ADDRTYPE=m > # CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_AH is not set > # CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_ECN is not set > # CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_TTL is not set > CONFIG_IP_NF_FILTER=m > CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_REJECT=mNAT/masquerading. > # CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_LOG is not set > # CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_ULOG is not set > CONFIG_NF_NAT=m > CONFIG_NF_NAT_NEEDED=y > CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_MASQUERADE=m > # CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_NETMAP is not set > # CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_REDIRECT is not set > # CONFIG_NF_NAT_SNMP_BASIC is not set > # CONFIG_NF_NAT_FTP is not set > # CONFIG_NF_NAT_IRC is not set > # CONFIG_NF_NAT_TFTP is not set > # CONFIG_NF_NAT_AMANDA is not set > # CONFIG_NF_NAT_PPTP is not set > # CONFIG_NF_NAT_H323 is not set > # CONFIG_NF_NAT_SIP is not set > CONFIG_IP_NF_MANGLE=m > # CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_CLUSTERIP is not set > # CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_ECN is not set > # CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_TTL is not set > # CONFIG_IP_NF_RAW is not set > # CONFIG_IP_NF_ARPTABLES is not set > # CONFIG_BRIDGE_NF_EBTABLES is not set > > I have the following modules loaded (may not all be used by libvirt > though): > > $ lsmod|egrep 'ipt|nf' > ipt_MASQUERADE 1523 3 > iptable_nat 3053 1 > nf_nat 11757 2 ipt_MASQUERADE,iptable_nat > nf_conntrack_ipv4 8846 4 iptable_nat,nf_nat > nf_defrag_ipv4
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE and HARD lock ups.
On 07/05/2011 10:38 PM, Dale wrote: > My current plan, finish this new install. Test the ram and hope it is OK. I can feel your pain :( This may not help, but I thought I'd mention it just because nothing else has helped so far. I started having random keyboard issues right after the most recent xorg update on my ~x86 and ~amd64 machines. Maybe just once/day or so I'll hit a key and the auto-repeat function starts repeating the keystroke ad infinitum until I hit Backspace. This is not a lockup like your problem, but it was striking that this random keyboard problem started right after the recent xorg update. (Yes, I recompiled all the drivers after the upgrade.) Since you are recompiling/reinstalling everything anyway, what about masking the most recent xorg-server/xorg-driver updates so you can test older versions? You quad-core speed demon ;p
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and HARD lock ups.
On Thursday 07 July 2011 14:59:11 walt did opine thusly: > On 07/06/2011 01:11 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > So I switched to - nouveau and now I have endless shit with > > crashes. But I can tolerate that and not whinge. > > Just today I tried the nouveau driver again after almost a year, and > found no change. The test was on my elderly machine with an > ancient GeForce FX 5200. I'm sure the nouveau devs lost interest > in that chip long ago, so no surprise. > > When I run glxgears with the proprietary nvidia driver I get 3000 > FPS. With nouveau I get 54 FPS. > > No, that's not a typo. The proprietary driver is 55 times faster > than nouveau. > > What results are you seeing? About 850 FPS or so with glxgears. IIRC the nVidia driver could go to 2000+ FPS. This is on a GeForce 8600M GT (NV50 generation). Outright performance isn't my main interest, I don't do gaming or video rendering, I hardly even watch movies at all on this notebook - YouTube twice a day is about the most video stress I exert on it. And the fancy KDE candy effects are disabled. What I'm after is Free Software with KMS. And stable suspend/resume, I consider that important. In that regard nouveau easily matches the nVidia driver so I'm happy. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE and HARD lock ups.
On 07/06/2011 01:11 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > So I switched to - nouveau and now I have endless shit with > crashes. But I can tolerate that and not whinge. Just today I tried the nouveau driver again after almost a year, and found no change. The test was on my elderly machine with an ancient GeForce FX 5200. I'm sure the nouveau devs lost interest in that chip long ago, so no surprise. When I run glxgears with the proprietary nvidia driver I get 3000 FPS. With nouveau I get 54 FPS. No, that's not a typo. The proprietary driver is 55 times faster than nouveau. What results are you seeing?
Re: [gentoo-user] gcc and glibc. Which unstable to pick?
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Dale wrote: > As the list knows, I been having random lock ups on my system. I'm in the > process of one last emerge -e world but I'm not holding my breath it will > change anything. So, I'm wanting to try a unstable version of both gcc and > glibc. Do what you will but this seems a very radical step to take at this point. It seems to me you are assuming there are bugs in gcc and glibc that are both effecting you now and will be fixed in the new versions. I'm not sure that logic really holds water. Wouldn't you be possibly better off to learn to run gdb on Firefox and look for problems in a more conventional way? Did you manage to remove all plugins from Firefox and prove it's not a Flash or Java issue? - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Virt-manager
On Thursday, July 7 at 20:46 (+0100), john said: Well, I see several errors, you may want to start with the first one and work your way down. > iptables is running, bridging and tun have been loaded as modules > iproute2 has now been installed but makes no odds. Not sure about brctl > as I can't find this? > > Have started libvirtd and get the following > when trying to start virt-manager > > 20:28:05.083: 5216: info : > libvirt version: 0.9.1 20:28:05.083: 5216: error : virCommandWait:1281 : > internal error Child process (/sbin/iptables --table mangle --insert > POSTROUTING --out-interface virbr0 --protocol udp --destination-port 68 > --jump CHECKSUM --checksum-fill) status unexpected: exit status 1 iptables is failing. Maybe you don't have the correct modules or have them installed. > 20:28:05.084: 5216: warning : networkAddGeneralIptablesRules:1199 : > Could not add rule to fixup DHCP response checksums on network > 'default'. 20:28:05.084: 5216: warning : > networkAddGeneralIptablesRules:1200 : May need to update iptables > package & kernel to support CHECKSUM rule. 20:28:05.256: 5216: error : > virCommandWait:1281 : internal error Child process (/sbin/ip addr add > 192.168.122.1/24 broadcast 192.168.122.255 dev virbr0) status > unexpected: exit status 1 20:28:05.256: 5216: error : > networkAddAddrToBridge:1625 : internal error cannot set IP address on > bridge 'virbr0' 20:28:05.449: 5216: error : virCommandWait:1281 : > internal error Child process (/sbin/iptables --table mangle --delete > POSTROUTING --out-interface virbr0 --protocol udp --destination-port 68 > --jump CHECKSUM --checksum-fill) status unexpected: exit status 1 > 20:28:05.481: 5216: warning : networkStartNetworkDaemon:1800 : Failed > to delete dummy tap device '(null)' on bridge 'virbr0' : Invalid > argument 20:28:05.526: 5216: error : udevGetDMIData:1493 : Failed to > get udev device for syspath '/sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id' or > '/sys/class/dmi/id' 20:28:51.078: 5219: error : > remoteDispatchAuthPolkit:5139 : Policy kit denied action > org.libvirt.unix.manage from pid 6810, uid 1000: exit status 1 > 20:31:26.177: 5218: error : do_open:1085 : no connection driver > available for No connection for URI qemu:///system > > Does mean something++ > no connection driver > available for No connection for URI qemu:///system > The subsequent errors may be because of the first. So I'd start with that. If you are not going to use virtual networks, then you could simply disable the virt-net USE flag and save yourself some time. As for as iptables. You need the right sub-drivers (or whatever they're called). Basically if you are using virtual networking you need to be able to do NAT. I have the following: CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK=m CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_MARK=y # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_EVENTS is not set # CONFIG_NF_CT_PROTO_DCCP is not set # CONFIG_NF_CT_PROTO_SCTP is not set # CONFIG_NF_CT_PROTO_UDPLITE is not set # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_AMANDA is not set # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_FTP is not set # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_H323 is not set # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IRC is not set # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_NETBIOS_NS is not set # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_PPTP is not set # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_SANE is not set # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_SIP is not set # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_TFTP is not set # CONFIG_NF_CT_NETLINK is not set CONFIG_NF_DEFRAG_IPV4=m CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV4=m CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_PROC_COMPAT=y # CONFIG_IP_NF_QUEUE is not set CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_ADDRTYPE=m # CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_AH is not set # CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_ECN is not set # CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_TTL is not set CONFIG_IP_NF_FILTER=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_REJECT=mNAT/masquerading. # CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_LOG is not set # CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_ULOG is not set CONFIG_NF_NAT=m CONFIG_NF_NAT_NEEDED=y CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_MASQUERADE=m # CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_NETMAP is not set # CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_REDIRECT is not set # CONFIG_NF_NAT_SNMP_BASIC is not set # CONFIG_NF_NAT_FTP is not set # CONFIG_NF_NAT_IRC is not set # CONFIG_NF_NAT_TFTP is not set # CONFIG_NF_NAT_AMANDA is not set # CONFIG_NF_NAT_PPTP is not set # CONFIG_NF_NAT_H323 is not set # CONFIG_NF_NAT_SIP is not set CONFIG_IP_NF_MANGLE=m # CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_CLUSTERIP is not set # CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_ECN is not set # CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_TTL is not set # CONFIG_IP_NF_RAW is not set # CONFIG_IP_NF_ARPTABLES is not set # CONFIG_BRIDGE_NF_EBTABLES is not set I have the following modules loaded (may not all be used by libvirt though): $ lsmod|egrep 'ipt|nf' ipt_MASQUERADE 1523 3 iptable_nat 3053 1 nf_nat 11757 2 ipt_MASQUERADE,iptable_nat nf_conntrack_ipv4 8846 4 iptable_nat,nf_nat nf_defrag_ipv4 1131 1 nf_conntrack_ipv4 nf_conntrack 40786 5 ipt_MASQUERADE,iptable_nat,nf_nat,nf_conntrack_ipv4,xt_state ipt_REJECT 1998 2 iptable_mangle 1392 1 iptable_filter 1312 1 ip_tables 13195 3 iptable_nat,iptable_mangle,iptable_filter x_tab
Re: [gentoo-user] Managing multiple Gentoo systems
On Thursday 07 July 2011 14:01:55 kashani did opine thusly: > On 7/7/2011 1:37 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Thursday 07 July 2011 11:23:15 kashani did opine thusly: > >> On 7/2/2011 3:14 PM, Grant wrote: > >>> After a frustrating experience with a Linksys WRT54GL, I've > >>> decided to stick with Gentoo routers. This increases the > >>> number of Gentoo systems I'm responsible for and they're > >>> nearing double-digits. What can be done to make the > >>> management > >>> of multiple Gentoo systems easier? I think identical > >>> hardware > >>> in each system would help a lot but I'm not sure that's > >>> practical. I need to put together a bunch of new > >>> workstations > >>> and I'm thinking some sort of server/client arrangement with > >>> the only Gentoo install being on the server could be > >>> appropriate. > >>> > >>> - Grant > >>> > >>You may want to look at something like a config management > > > > system. > > > >> I'm using Puppet these days, but Gentoo support isn't > >> spectacular. It would be a bit complex to have Puppet install > >> the packages with the correct USE flags. However you could > >> use Puppet to manage all the text files and then manage the > >> packages somewhat manually. > > > > Give chef a try. > > > > It overcomes a lot of the issue puppet ran into, and of course > > makes new ones all of it's won, but by and large chef is more > > flexible. > > Too late. I've already put a year in with Puppet and have too much > working code to switch. Also I'm not much of a programmer so I get a > bit more out of the DSL though my templates are getting fairly > fancy these days. For anyone else interested in what we're talking > about, here's a fairly balanced and up to date link talking about > some of the differences. > > http://redbluemagenta.com/2011/05/21/puppet-vs-chef/ At least with puppet you can still work around shortcomings as you find them (no black box tricks in puttet) But regardless of it's quality, it's still 1,000,000's of times better than doing it all manually! -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: Need help : Compiling xe-guest-utilities (xenstore) from Source
On 07/04/2011 07:25 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote: > Okay, I got the .rpm for Citrix's xe-guest-utilities from this thread: > > http://forums.citrix.com/message.jspa?messageID=1468339 > > Granted, it's slightly older than the latest version, but that's not > my main problem. > > The problem is: How do I run a "Config.mk" file? Some projects that don't include a "configure" file will substitute "autogen.sh", which is a shellscript that will create a "configure" file when you run it. If that's your problem then you need to emerge sys-devel/autogen first.
Re: [gentoo-user] gcc and glibc. Which unstable to pick?
On Thursday 07 July 2011 16:01:27 Dale did opine thusly: > As the list knows, I been having random lock ups on my system. I'm > in the process of one last emerge -e world but I'm not holding my > breath it will change anything. So, I'm wanting to try a unstable > version of both gcc and glibc. This is the list available: gcc-4.5.2 works just fine here glibc-2.13-r3 no problems And you are not stuck once upgrading glibc. If stuff doesn't run, edit the magnificent version check in the ebuild and re-emerge it. It only causes problems if other stuff gets built against a newer glibc and you then want to downgrade > > root@fireball / # equery list -p glibc > * Searching for glibc ... > [-P-] [ ~] sys-libs/glibc-2.9_p20081201-r3:2.2 > [-P-] [ ] sys-libs/glibc-2.10.1-r1:2.2 > [-P-] [ ] sys-libs/glibc-2.11.3:2.2 > [-P-] [ ~] sys-libs/glibc-2.12.1-r3:2.2 > [IP-] [ ] sys-libs/glibc-2.12.2:2.2 > [-P-] [ ~] sys-libs/glibc-2.13-r2:2.2 > [-P-] [ ~] sys-libs/glibc-2.13-r3:2.2 > [-P-] [ -] sys-libs/glibc-2.14:2.2 > root@fireball / # equery list -p gcc > * Searching for gcc ... > [-P-] [ -] sys-devel/gcc-2.95.3-r9:2.95 > [-P-] [ -] sys-devel/gcc-2.95.3-r10:2.95 > [-P-] [ -] sys-devel/gcc-3.1.1-r2:3.1 > [-P-] [ -] sys-devel/gcc-3.2.2:3.2 > [-P-] [ -] sys-devel/gcc-3.2.3-r4:3.2 > [-P-] [ ~] sys-devel/gcc-3.3.6-r1:3.3 > [-P-] [ ] sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6-r2:3.4 > [-P-] [ -] sys-devel/gcc-4.0.4:4.0 > [-P-] [ ] sys-devel/gcc-4.1.2:4.1 > [-P-] [ ~] sys-devel/gcc-4.2.4-r1:4.2 > [-P-] [ ~] sys-devel/gcc-4.3.3-r2:4.3 > [-P-] [ ] sys-devel/gcc-4.3.4:4.3 > [-P-] [ ~] sys-devel/gcc-4.3.5:4.3 > [-P-] [ ~] sys-devel/gcc-4.3.6:4.3 > [-P-] [ ~] sys-devel/gcc-4.4.2:4.4 > [-P-] [ ~] sys-devel/gcc-4.4.3-r3:4.4 > [-P-] [ ] sys-devel/gcc-4.4.4-r2:4.4 > [IP-] [ ] sys-devel/gcc-4.4.5:4.4 > [-P-] [ ~] sys-devel/gcc-4.5.1-r1:4.5 > [-P-] [ ~] sys-devel/gcc-4.5.2:4.5 > [-P-] [M-] sys-devel/gcc-4.6.0:4.6 > [-P-] [M-] sys-devel/gcc-4.6.1:4.6 > root@fireball / # > > I was thinking of running a older version of gcc first. Just to see > if that helps. Is there a advantage to running a different version > of glibc as well? I'm keeping in mind that once I upgrade glibc, > I'm sort of stuck. I was looking at either gcc 4.4.4 and/or glibc > 2.13-r3 as options. > > Thoughts? > > While I am at it, I tried searching for bugs on bgo. I click the > search link and select for it to search all bugs, closed as well. > When I type in glibc and crash then click search, all I ever get is > the please stand by screen. I never get a list of the hits. I > tried several times. Is bgo having issues or do I have another > issue to add to the table? > > Thanks. > > Dale > > :-) :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Thursday 07 July 2011 21:47:25 Dale wrote: Waiting on OOo to finish. Have you not switched to LibreOffice then? I prefer OOo. I just forgot to comment it out of my world file before my emerge -e world this time. Sort of got a lot on my brain right now. :/ Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Managing multiple Gentoo systems
On 7/7/2011 1:37 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 07 July 2011 11:23:15 kashani did opine thusly: On 7/2/2011 3:14 PM, Grant wrote: After a frustrating experience with a Linksys WRT54GL, I've decided to stick with Gentoo routers. This increases the number of Gentoo systems I'm responsible for and they're nearing double-digits. What can be done to make the management of multiple Gentoo systems easier? I think identical hardware in each system would help a lot but I'm not sure that's practical. I need to put together a bunch of new workstations and I'm thinking some sort of server/client arrangement with the only Gentoo install being on the server could be appropriate. - Grant You may want to look at something like a config management system. I'm using Puppet these days, but Gentoo support isn't spectacular. It would be a bit complex to have Puppet install the packages with the correct USE flags. However you could use Puppet to manage all the text files and then manage the packages somewhat manually. Give chef a try. It overcomes a lot of the issue puppet ran into, and of course makes new ones all of it's won, but by and large chef is more flexible. Too late. I've already put a year in with Puppet and have too much working code to switch. Also I'm not much of a programmer so I get a bit more out of the DSL though my templates are getting fairly fancy these days. For anyone else interested in what we're talking about, here's a fairly balanced and up to date link talking about some of the differences. http://redbluemagenta.com/2011/05/21/puppet-vs-chef/ kashani
[gentoo-user] gcc and glibc. Which unstable to pick?
As the list knows, I been having random lock ups on my system. I'm in the process of one last emerge -e world but I'm not holding my breath it will change anything. So, I'm wanting to try a unstable version of both gcc and glibc. This is the list available: root@fireball / # equery list -p glibc * Searching for glibc ... [-P-] [ ~] sys-libs/glibc-2.9_p20081201-r3:2.2 [-P-] [ ] sys-libs/glibc-2.10.1-r1:2.2 [-P-] [ ] sys-libs/glibc-2.11.3:2.2 [-P-] [ ~] sys-libs/glibc-2.12.1-r3:2.2 [IP-] [ ] sys-libs/glibc-2.12.2:2.2 [-P-] [ ~] sys-libs/glibc-2.13-r2:2.2 [-P-] [ ~] sys-libs/glibc-2.13-r3:2.2 [-P-] [ -] sys-libs/glibc-2.14:2.2 root@fireball / # equery list -p gcc * Searching for gcc ... [-P-] [ -] sys-devel/gcc-2.95.3-r9:2.95 [-P-] [ -] sys-devel/gcc-2.95.3-r10:2.95 [-P-] [ -] sys-devel/gcc-3.1.1-r2:3.1 [-P-] [ -] sys-devel/gcc-3.2.2:3.2 [-P-] [ -] sys-devel/gcc-3.2.3-r4:3.2 [-P-] [ ~] sys-devel/gcc-3.3.6-r1:3.3 [-P-] [ ] sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6-r2:3.4 [-P-] [ -] sys-devel/gcc-4.0.4:4.0 [-P-] [ ] sys-devel/gcc-4.1.2:4.1 [-P-] [ ~] sys-devel/gcc-4.2.4-r1:4.2 [-P-] [ ~] sys-devel/gcc-4.3.3-r2:4.3 [-P-] [ ] sys-devel/gcc-4.3.4:4.3 [-P-] [ ~] sys-devel/gcc-4.3.5:4.3 [-P-] [ ~] sys-devel/gcc-4.3.6:4.3 [-P-] [ ~] sys-devel/gcc-4.4.2:4.4 [-P-] [ ~] sys-devel/gcc-4.4.3-r3:4.4 [-P-] [ ] sys-devel/gcc-4.4.4-r2:4.4 [IP-] [ ] sys-devel/gcc-4.4.5:4.4 [-P-] [ ~] sys-devel/gcc-4.5.1-r1:4.5 [-P-] [ ~] sys-devel/gcc-4.5.2:4.5 [-P-] [M-] sys-devel/gcc-4.6.0:4.6 [-P-] [M-] sys-devel/gcc-4.6.1:4.6 root@fireball / # I was thinking of running a older version of gcc first. Just to see if that helps. Is there a advantage to running a different version of glibc as well? I'm keeping in mind that once I upgrade glibc, I'm sort of stuck. I was looking at either gcc 4.4.4 and/or glibc 2.13-r3 as options. Thoughts? While I am at it, I tried searching for bugs on bgo. I click the search link and select for it to search all bugs, closed as well. When I type in glibc and crash then click search, all I ever get is the please stand by screen. I never get a list of the hits. I tried several times. Is bgo having issues or do I have another issue to add to the table? Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?
On Thursday 07 July 2011 21:47:25 Dale wrote: > Waiting on OOo to finish. Have you not switched to LibreOffice then? -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?
Michael Orlitzky wrote: recompiling all day is not. After the past several days, I can confirm this 100%. I'm on about my third emerge -e world now. Waiting on OOo to finish. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Managing multiple Gentoo systems
On Thursday 07 July 2011 11:23:15 kashani did opine thusly:
> On 7/2/2011 3:14 PM, Grant wrote:
> > After a frustrating experience with a Linksys WRT54GL, I've
> > decided to stick with Gentoo routers. This increases the
> > number of Gentoo systems I'm responsible for and they're
> > nearing double-digits. What can be done to make the management
> > of multiple Gentoo systems easier? I think identical hardware
> > in each system would help a lot but I'm not sure that's
> > practical. I need to put together a bunch of new workstations
> > and I'm thinking some sort of server/client arrangement with
> > the only Gentoo install being on the server could be
> > appropriate.
> >
> > - Grant
>
> You may want to look at something like a config management
system.
> I'm using Puppet these days, but Gentoo support isn't spectacular.
> It would be a bit complex to have Puppet install the packages with
> the correct USE flags. However you could use Puppet to manage all
> the text files and then manage the packages somewhat manually.
Give chef a try.
It overcomes a lot of the issue puppet ran into, and of course makes
new ones all of it's won, but by and large chef is more flexible.
>
> Here's a snippet of a template for nrpe.cfg
>
> <% if processorcount.to_i >= 12 then -%>
> command[check_load]=<%= scope.lookupvar('nrpe::params::pluginsdir')
> %>/check_load -w 35,25,25 -c 35,25,25
> <% elsif fqdn =~ /(.*)stage|demo(.*)/ then -%>
> command[check_load]=<%= scope.lookupvar('nrpe::params::pluginsdir')
> %>/check_load -w 10,10,10 -c 10,10,10
> <% else -%>
> command[check_load]=<%= scope.lookupvar('nrpe::params::pluginsdir')
> %>/check_load -w 10,7,5 -c 10,7,5
> <% end -%>
>
> If you were managing a make.conf you could set -j<%=
> processorcount*2 %> or whatever as well as pass in your own
> settings etc. Once you have things working it's pretty good at
> keeping your servers in sync and doing minor customization per
> server based on OS, hardware, IP, hostname, etc.
>
> kashani
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?
On 07/07/11 15:36, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > And what about gnome? Does that not impose a fantastic testing burden, > alongside which gnome-mplayer is small in comparison? Yes, but the value of one's time isn't relative. If you'll allow me to make up the numbers, just because it takes a month of time to test Gnome doesn't mean that the day it would take to test gnome-mplayer is any less valuable. In those eight hours you can still drink the same number of beers, read the same number of books, or -- hell, in this case -- fix the same number of bugs in other packages. > How about the devs relook at this and do it sanely. When the major > consumer of gtk+ (gnome itself) has a stable gtk+-3 very in stable, > then other packages follow suit, not before. I don't think anyone would disagree that this is nice to have; you just have to find someone to do the work. Writing ebuilds is fun, setting up test environments and recompiling all day is not.
Re: [gentoo-user] Virt-manager
On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 14:24:48 -0400 Albert Hopkins wrote: > > > On Thursday, July 7 at 19:15 (+0100), john said: > > > > > I am trying to start virt-manager but when I start the daemon > > > > /etc/init.d/libvirtd i get > > > > * Starting libvirtd ... > > /usr/sbin/libvirtd: error: Unable to initialize network sockets. > > Check /var/log/messages or run without --daemon for more info. > > * start-stop-daemon: failed to start > > `/usr/sbin/libvirtd'[ !! ] > > * ERROR: libvirtd failed to start > > > > Any suggestions??? > > Other than the obvious (which is to check /var/log/messages or run > without --daemon)... > > My guess is that you have enabled the virt-network USE flag but the > system is not configured as such that it could start the default > virtual network. Among other things you need: > > * iptables support in there kernel > * bridging support in the kernel > * tun/tap support in the kernel > * brctl (probably a dependency of the package itself) > * iproute2 (probably a dependency of the package itself) > > Did /var/log/messages tell you anything (did you bother to look)? > Also libvirt has a log level that can be set in the config, you could > increase that (and also check the logs). > > You should also check the logs. > > -a > > > iptables is running, bridging and tun have been loaded as modules iproute2 has now been installed but makes no odds. Not sure about brctl as I can't find this? Have started libvirtd and get the following when trying to start virt-manager 20:28:05.083: 5216: info : libvirt version: 0.9.1 20:28:05.083: 5216: error : virCommandWait:1281 : internal error Child process (/sbin/iptables --table mangle --insert POSTROUTING --out-interface virbr0 --protocol udp --destination-port 68 --jump CHECKSUM --checksum-fill) status unexpected: exit status 1 20:28:05.084: 5216: warning : networkAddGeneralIptablesRules:1199 : Could not add rule to fixup DHCP response checksums on network 'default'. 20:28:05.084: 5216: warning : networkAddGeneralIptablesRules:1200 : May need to update iptables package & kernel to support CHECKSUM rule. 20:28:05.256: 5216: error : virCommandWait:1281 : internal error Child process (/sbin/ip addr add 192.168.122.1/24 broadcast 192.168.122.255 dev virbr0) status unexpected: exit status 1 20:28:05.256: 5216: error : networkAddAddrToBridge:1625 : internal error cannot set IP address on bridge 'virbr0' 20:28:05.449: 5216: error : virCommandWait:1281 : internal error Child process (/sbin/iptables --table mangle --delete POSTROUTING --out-interface virbr0 --protocol udp --destination-port 68 --jump CHECKSUM --checksum-fill) status unexpected: exit status 1 20:28:05.481: 5216: warning : networkStartNetworkDaemon:1800 : Failed to delete dummy tap device '(null)' on bridge 'virbr0' : Invalid argument 20:28:05.526: 5216: error : udevGetDMIData:1493 : Failed to get udev device for syspath '/sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id' or '/sys/class/dmi/id' 20:28:51.078: 5219: error : remoteDispatchAuthPolkit:5139 : Policy kit denied action org.libvirt.unix.manage from pid 6810, uid 1000: exit status 1 20:31:26.177: 5218: error : do_open:1085 : no connection driver available for No connection for URI qemu:///system Does mean something++ no connection driver available for No connection for URI qemu:///system The only log entry is:- Jul 7 20:40:53 localhost /etc/init.d/libvirtd[8275]: start-stop-daemon: failed to start `/usr/sbin/libvirtd' Jul 7 20:40:53 localhost /etc/init.d/libvirtd[8264]: ERROR: libvirtd failed to star Cannot see option to make this more verbose. -- John D Maunder j...@jdm.myzen.co.uk
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?
On Thursday 07 July 2011 13:42:24 Michael Orlitzky did opine thusly: > > Holy shit, that attitude from Samuli sucks big balls big time. > > > > > > > > He's always come across to me as an OK dev, never seen him pull > > THAT stunt before. > > For what it's worth, I was expecting much worse. In his defense, the > commenters list a bunch of bugs in other packages as the reason why > they want to retain gtk2 support in the gnome-mplayer ebuild. > > Per comment 21, the Gnome team suggests that packages use the latest > version of gtk that works. Yes, that's "suggests" they use "that latest that works", not "demands", "insists", "mandates" or "requires", and not "only the latest version that works". > The gnome-mplayer package is supported on the alpha, amd64, ppc, > ppc64, x86, and x86-fbsd arches. Adding a gtk2 USE flag means that > the testing load would be doubled; that the maintainer would have > to recompile the package six times on six different machines to > make sure that it runs with gtk2. > > Then, to go stable (in addition to now being tied to the stable > gtk2), the arch testers would have to re-test on all six of those > arches. > > So, the additional burden isn't so small as it's made out to be in > the comments. And what about gnome? Does that not impose a fantastic testing burden, alongside which gnome-mplayer is small in comparison? How about the devs relook at this and do it sanely. When the major consumer of gtk+ (gnome itself) has a stable gtk+-3 very in stable, then other packages follow suit, not before. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Virt-manager
On Thursday, July 7 at 19:15 (+0100), john said: > > I am trying to start virt-manager but when I start the daemon > > /etc/init.d/libvirtd i get > > * Starting libvirtd ... > /usr/sbin/libvirtd: error: Unable to initialize network sockets. > Check /var/log/messages or run without --daemon for more info. > * start-stop-daemon: failed to start > `/usr/sbin/libvirtd'[ !! ] > * ERROR: libvirtd failed to start > > Any suggestions??? Other than the obvious (which is to check /var/log/messages or run without --daemon)... My guess is that you have enabled the virt-network USE flag but the system is not configured as such that it could start the default virtual network. Among other things you need: * iptables support in there kernel * bridging support in the kernel * tun/tap support in the kernel * brctl (probably a dependency of the package itself) * iproute2 (probably a dependency of the package itself) Did /var/log/messages tell you anything (did you bother to look)? Also libvirt has a log level that can be set in the config, you could increase that (and also check the logs). You should also check the logs. -a
Re: [gentoo-user] Managing multiple Gentoo systems
On 7/2/2011 3:14 PM, Grant wrote:
After a frustrating experience with a Linksys WRT54GL, I've decided to
stick with Gentoo routers. This increases the number of Gentoo
systems I'm responsible for and they're nearing double-digits. What
can be done to make the management of multiple Gentoo systems easier?
I think identical hardware in each system would help a lot but I'm not
sure that's practical. I need to put together a bunch of new
workstations and I'm thinking some sort of server/client arrangement
with the only Gentoo install being on the server could be appropriate.
- Grant
You may want to look at something like a config management system. I'm
using Puppet these days, but Gentoo support isn't spectacular. It would
be a bit complex to have Puppet install the packages with the correct
USE flags. However you could use Puppet to manage all the text files and
then manage the packages somewhat manually.
Here's a snippet of a template for nrpe.cfg
<% if processorcount.to_i >= 12 then -%>
command[check_load]=<%= scope.lookupvar('nrpe::params::pluginsdir')
%>/check_load -w 35,25,25 -c 35,25,25
<% elsif fqdn =~ /(.*)stage|demo(.*)/ then -%>
command[check_load]=<%= scope.lookupvar('nrpe::params::pluginsdir')
%>/check_load -w 10,10,10 -c 10,10,10
<% else -%>
command[check_load]=<%= scope.lookupvar('nrpe::params::pluginsdir')
%>/check_load -w 10,7,5 -c 10,7,5
<% end -%>
If you were managing a make.conf you could set -j<%= processorcount*2 %>
or whatever as well as pass in your own settings etc. Once you have
things working it's pretty good at keeping your servers in sync and
doing minor customization per server based on OS, hardware, IP,
hostname, etc.
kashani
[gentoo-user] Virt-manager
I am trying to start virt-manager but when I start the daemon /etc/init.d/libvirtd i get * Starting libvirtd ... /usr/sbin/libvirtd: error: Unable to initialize network sockets. Check /var/log/messages or run without --daemon for more info. * start-stop-daemon: failed to start `/usr/sbin/libvirtd'[ !! ] * ERROR: libvirtd failed to start Any suggestions??? -- -- John D Maunder j...@jdm.myzen.co.uk
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?
On 07/06/11 15:37, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Wednesday 06 July 2011 19:23:51 pk did opine thusly: >> On 2011-07-06 18:35, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >>> And what is happening to the developers lately? Some of them >>> have become hostile and arrogant against their own users. >> >> I noted the same from the same guy a while back. Really "grumpy" and >> you can't argue with him either... But then again, there's nothing >> stopping either of us from becoming developers and to be friendly >> towards our fellow Gentooers... Well, except time that I don't have >> to invest into doing that so I'm very grateful that people >> (developers) have time to invest. So: Kudos to the developers >> (grumpy or not)! >> >> "I'm late, I'm late! For a very important date!..." ;-) >> >> PS. Gentoo infrastructure also allows supporting your own ebuilds... > > Holy shit, that attitude from Samuli sucks big balls big time. > > He's always come across to me as an OK dev, never seen him pull THAT > stunt before. For what it's worth, I was expecting much worse. In his defense, the commenters list a bunch of bugs in *other* packages as the reason why they want to retain gtk2 support in the gnome-mplayer ebuild. Per comment 21, the Gnome team suggests that packages use the latest version of gtk that works. The gnome-mplayer package is supported on the alpha, amd64, ppc, ppc64, x86, and x86-fbsd arches. Adding a gtk2 USE flag means that the testing load would be doubled; that the maintainer would have to recompile the package six times on six different machines to make sure that it runs with gtk2. Then, to go stable (in addition to now being tied to the stable gtk2), the arch testers would have to re-test on all six of those arches. So, the additional burden isn't so small as it's made out to be in the comments.
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:44 AM, pk wrote: > On 2011-07-07 09:30, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> Gentoo users have developed a certain expectation over the years, >> whereby devs will take user needs seriously and go to extra-ordinary >> lengths to support everything under the sun. >> >> That's what Gentoo does. That's how the system by and large works, and >> that's what users have come to expect. It's unreasonable for a dev to >> think they can willy-nilly change that based SOLELY on their own >> opinion, as the greater community was not built around that behaviour. > > I think so too. There should be some sort of consensus, at least among > the developers (I think most, that I've come across, are reasonable and > listen to us users) before they do something like this... In a sense, > removing options (USE) at the sole discretion of the developer will make > Gentoo look like any other Linux distro. Options that the user can > decide is what makes Gentoo unique. > > Best regards > > Peter K +1, although what we don't know from reading only the bug report is whether the decision was in fact made by the individual dev or is part of a larger consensus in the dev community. Without that info I don't think it's appropriate to draw any specific conclusions about what is motivating this change. I do think that if the user community was to ask the dev community (nicely now!) ;-) about this that we'd get a reasonable answer, or at least some greater understanding of what's driving the decision. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?
On 2011-07-07 09:30, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Gentoo users have developed a certain expectation over the years, > whereby devs will take user needs seriously and go to extra-ordinary > lengths to support everything under the sun. > > That's what Gentoo does. That's how the system by and large works, and > that's what users have come to expect. It's unreasonable for a dev to > think they can willy-nilly change that based SOLELY on their own > opinion, as the greater community was not built around that behaviour. I think so too. There should be some sort of consensus, at least among the developers (I think most, that I've come across, are reasonable and listen to us users) before they do something like this... In a sense, removing options (USE) at the sole discretion of the developer will make Gentoo look like any other Linux distro. Options that the user can decide is what makes Gentoo unique. Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] Xfce4 shutdown issues
On 2011-07-06 17:37, john wrote: > Any suggestions other than converting to e16? (which is becoming > tempting). This seems to happen every upgrade of xfce4/polkit/dbus. polkit seems to me just another HAL... Try: http://wiki.xfce.org/tips Of course you still need to put: xfce4-user-session-shutdown.sh in the /etc/sudoers file and allow yourself (and whatever other users that you want) to shutdown. Myself, I'm still running xfce4-4.6.2... and have this in my /etc/sudoers file: usernamehere hostname=NOPASSWD: /usr/libexec/xfsm-shutdown-helper usernamehere hostname=NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown If all else fails you can still do a manual "sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now"... Whatever happened to simplicity and the KIS rule? HTH Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Wireless KVM, but just V?
> I haven't used them, but I'm somewhat sceptical of Avocent as a brand. > > Their network KVMs (all that I've seen advertised, I think) use proprietary > viewer software. I don't think they even allow you to view using a web-based > viewer applet (as do many other network KVMs), and I think they may even > charge for upgrades of the viewer software (when you've paid £1000+ for their > hardware!). > > The company that OEM's my Blackbox network KVM [1] also make "Digital > Signage" AV extenders [2] - I would guess that these are doing essentially > the same thing as a network KVM, but without the part that transmits the > keyboard and mouse back. The important part is that they're a frame-grabber, > taking as input the VGA or DVI from a computer's video card - that can then > be transmitted across the network digitally. I would doubt that this kind of > "AV extender" is much cheaper than a network KVM, which you can get in > single-channel versions [3], but the performance may be better that I've seen > on network KVMs. > > You can get great deals on network KVMs secondhand (expect to pay £100 - £200 > on eBay) but at least with that generation (i.e. typically 5 - 8 years old) > the resolution and refresh rate is a bit limiting, and there's no way you > could use them for video. But a good network KVM (like the Blackbox) will > allow you to control the remote computer using a standard VNC client. > > Dale needs to give us more info about *what he's trying to do*. It might well > be, from his apparent lack of need to control the remote PC, that a $100 STB > "network streaming media player", such as the Western Digital TV+, would do > that job. That allows you to play video files across the network, and does so > at high quality. Thanks Stroller. The idea was to put my Gentoo HTPC somewhere other than nearby my TV. I don't want to run a long HDMI cable so I was wondering if there was a device that would allow me to send the video signal from the computer to the TV wirelessly. It sounds like it's not such a good idea. - Grant >>> Does a device exist that will allow you to send the video signal from >>> a Gentoo system wirelessly across the room to a monitor? Should I >>> just get a wireless KVM unit and not use the KM?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Managing multiple Gentoo systems
>> >> After a frustrating experience with a Linksys WRT54GL, I've decided to >> >> stick with Gentoo routers. This increases the number of Gentoo >> >> systems I'm responsible for and they're nearing double-digits. What >> >> can be done to make the management of multiple Gentoo systems easier? >> >> I think identical hardware in each system would help a lot but I'm not >> >> sure that's practical. I need to put together a bunch of new >> >> workstations and I'm thinking some sort of server/client arrangement >> >> with the only Gentoo install being on the server could be appropriate. >> > >> > I maintain multiple Gentoo we mostly use as KVM hosts systems (and >> > coming embedded routers). As KVM hosts, some of them are very sensible. >> > Due to the contracts to our customers, I have to do with various update >> > strategies on top of various hardware. >> >> Thanks to everyone for some very juicy tidbits. I'm rearranging my >> thinking on all of this. I think the key for me may be to combine >> systems with separate functions in the same physical location into a >> single system. Does the KVM thing work well? > > KVM itself works very well here, even with advanced features such as KSM > pages sharing. > > The difficulties come with Microsoft products for both good integration > and perfomance (I would recommend RAW format, iSCSI or plain physical > partition instead of qcow2, for example). That beeing said, I finally > have all working well for XP, NT2003 and 2008 servers. > > I use libvirt on top of KVM which is in the way to become very good AFA > you don't rely on libvirt's API which tend to move a lot. > >> Running a bunch of >> workstations as nothing more than wireless KVM setups on the same >> system? I should be able to cut my Gentoo systems down to just a few. >> Basically one at each physical location. > > I would be much sceptical for both workstations and wireless guests than > for servers: > > 1) For workstations, things are currently changing with the very recent > and "not much usable with Gentoo, yet" spice software. I expect a lot of > improvments in the coming months for this use case. I would say it's not > ready for production, yet. > > 2) About wireless virtualization it's highly depending on what you aim > to do, especially if you intend to use the PCI passthrough feature to > give your wireless card to a guest. For this to work, you MUST have your > hardware (CPU, motherboard and PCI card) VT-d compatible which is > currently NOT a piece of cake, today. It relies on industry and > manufacturers moving not as fast as software. I would expect more widely > VT-d cards in the coming _years_. > > Now, if you intend to use the wireless card from you hosts and share > networks using bridge utilities it _MAY_ be OK: Linux bridging does not > always work with all wireless cards (see http://tinyurl.com/ylcutwv for > more information). > > > In a more general approach, when I hear "routers" and "wireless" I'm > more thinking _embedded_. KVM/qemu would only help you to build your > target systems. > > > For embedded (or tiny, at least) systems, I would not use LXC. > > The drawback with Gentoo is that the current official uclibc stage3 for > embedded/tiny systems is obsolete and marked as experimental. In facts, > it's very _hard_ if not impossible to use it these days. Making your own > cross-compilation environment is not a piece of cake (too), even with > dedicated tools such as crossdev. This topic would ask its own book. > So, if you want to try Gentoo embedded save your time by working on > unofficial stage3. > > -- > Nicolas Sebrecht I think I'm guilty of assumption regarding your original reference to KVM. I assumed you mean keyboard-video-mouse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch but now I think you meant Kernel-based Virtual Machine: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page And now that I look more closely at KVM switches, it looks like they provide a method of controlling multiple computers via a single keyboard, monitor, and mouse. I need sort of the inverse. I'd like to control a single Gentoo computer via multiple sets of keyboards, monitors, and mice simultaneously. It would basically be a way to have the functionality of multiple workstations but the administration hassle of only a single system. Wireless communication between the computer and each keyboard-monitor-mouse would be most convenient, but that may not be possible so wired would be fine. Does something like this exist? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Booting from SoftwareRaid 10 with metadata > 1.0 possible?
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Jens Reinemuth wrote: > Hi everybody, > > i'm totally stuck with an installation of a server using SoftwareRAIDs (10) > with an adaptec aic79xx Controller... > > I thought that perhaps the drivers must be corrupted, but i found some (older) > howtos that described you should be using metadata=0.9.0 at least on the boot > and root partitions. Is this still an issue with actual kernels? > > regards, > > Jens Hi Jens, I've never bothered with actually making the boot device RAID as it's pretty easy to recreate if it dies. I do mirror my /boot partition on three drives so that hopefully I can change what BIOS looks at to boot and get the machine back up that way if necessary. I know of one person who reported that he made /boot RAID1 but only boots from one of the drive to automatically shadow changes he makes to /boot, but I've not tried that myself. As for /root, I'm using metadata=1.2 here, but it wasn't easy. It required an initramfs to figure out why it wasn't working, and then a _lot_ of care about RAID naming in both the physical RAID details as well as the mdadm.conf file to ensure it matched the eventual machine name. However it does work well for me. HTH, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Booting from SoftwareRaid 10 with metadata > 1.0 possible?
Am Donnerstag, 7. Juli 2011, 16:40:47 schrieb Florian Philipp: > You will still need metadata=0.9.0 if you want to partition the raid > itself and then boot from it (e.g. create /boot and root on the md device). > > Please also take a look at the thread in [2]. > > [1] http://savannah.gnu.org/task/?10196 > [2] http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org/msg111987.html Ok, this helps a lot... as i have a big spare partition, i should be able to copy the whole system from the metadata 1.x raid to the spare one, create a new raid with metadata=0.9 and copy the data back... glad i don't have to emerge the whole world again ;-) thanx, Jens
Re: [gentoo-user] Booting from SoftwareRaid 10 with metadata > 1.0 possible?
Am 07.07.2011 16:18, schrieb Jens Reinemuth: > Hi everybody, > > i'm totally stuck with an installation of a server using SoftwareRAIDs (10) > with an adaptec aic79xx Controller... > > I thought that perhaps the drivers must be corrupted, but i found some > (older) > howtos that described you should be using metadata=0.9.0 at least on the boot > and root partitions. Is this still an issue with actual kernels? > > regards, > > Jens > According to this bug [1], grub gained the ability to boot from metadata=1.0 in 2010. No clue if it actually applies to grub-1 or only 2. You will still need metadata=0.9.0 if you want to partition the raid itself and then boot from it (e.g. create /boot and root on the md device). Please also take a look at the thread in [2]. [1] http://savannah.gnu.org/task/?10196 [2] http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org/msg111987.html Hope this helps, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] Booting from SoftwareRaid 10 with metadata > 1.0 possible?
Hi everybody, i'm totally stuck with an installation of a server using SoftwareRAIDs (10) with an adaptec aic79xx Controller... I thought that perhaps the drivers must be corrupted, but i found some (older) howtos that described you should be using metadata=0.9.0 at least on the boot and root partitions. Is this still an issue with actual kernels? regards, Jens
[gentoo-user] Script to install Citrix XenServer guest addons for Gentoo guest VMs
If you're planning on running Gentoo guest VMs on top of Citrix XenServer, you'll want to install the xs-tools. I've made a script that automates the procedure, while at the same time install an OpenRC-compatible initscript (instead of the RHEL/CentOS initscript contained in the xs-tools RPM files). You can find my script here: https://bitbucket.org/pepoluan/install-xe-guest-utilities-for-gentoo Feel free to leave a comment :-) Rgds, -- Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Visit my Blog: http://pepoluan.posterous.com Google Talk: pepoluan Y! messenger: pepoluan MSN / Live: pepol...@hotmail.com (do not send email here) Skype: pepoluan
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Dale wrote: > A little more info. After my last message, I opened Firefox. It locked up. > That runs as a regular user of course. So, I wanted to test a theory. I > logged into Fluxbox after my reboot. I opened Firefox and it locked up. > Nothing else was running. My first lock up in Fluxbox!! > > So, Firefox will lock up in BOTH KDE and Fluxbox. What do Konsole in KDE, > Fluxbox in both KDE and Fluxbox have in common? Keep in mind, Konsole > works fine in Fluxbox. > > I thought of something tho. I upgraded glibc a while back. I had some KDE > updates and a Firefox update just a little bit before this happened. Could > this be related somehow? > > Also, when Firefox locked up, I went to my old rig and tried to login to > this rig. The network connection was dead. So, that time at least, it was > a serious lock up. Sometimes the SysReq keys work, sometimes not. > > Thoughts? Anyone think of anything that could cause this? > > Dale > > :-) :-) > > You should continue to investigate the glibc thing. There was a thread about how it's causing problems for someone running LibreOffice I think. You might also look more at what part of Firefox s causing the lockup. Is it Firefox proper, or is it something caused by your homepage? For instance, if they make use of Flash or Java it could be one of them causing the lockup and not specifically Firefox itself. Can yo erase Firefox preferences so that it opes to a blank page. Does it still lock up. Have you removed all cookies, etc., to see if one of them is causing the problems. Since fluxbox doesn't crash as often you might work there to clean things up and then come back to KDE to see if it has helped. Consider an emerge -C on things you don't absolutely need, like Flash or whatever you're using, to figure out what's involved. Also, are you using Firefox 3 or 4? Consider trying the other. As with other apps, try running Firefox from a terminal and see if it throws any error messages. Good luck, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?
On 7 July 2011, at 08:30, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thursday 07 July 2011 10:12:43 微菜 did opine thusly: >> Devs can do what ever they think are right. Don't argue with them >> unless you pay them. Want gtk2 support? Put your ebuild in your >> personal overlay. > > Gentoo users have developed a certain expectation over the years, > whereby devs will take user needs seriously and go to extra-ordinary > lengths to support everything under the sun. > > That's what Gentoo does. That's how the system by and large works, and > that's what users have come to expect. It's unreasonable for a dev to > think they can willy-nilly change that based SOLELY on their own > opinion, as the greater community was not built around that behaviour. LOL! I'm afraid I have come to the expectation that a Gentoo dev's opinion is unswayable, like a mighty oak. If a Gentoo dev decides "this is the best way to do things" then you really have no chance of convincing him otherwise, IME. I have come to this conclusion over several years of bug reports and reading the gentoo-dev mailing list (though not recently). Anyone trying to appeal a bug report to that list for further discussion (as I have once done myself, as others have done and Nicos has kinda done here) will be characterised as "whining about a dev's decision" and told off for it. Ubuntu users complain sometimes about similar things (such as Unity), about their bug reports being marked as WONTFIX, but their devs seem generally politer and more ready to explain their reasons than Gentoo devs. Discussing with a Gentoo dev has often felt to me like striking a hard rock wall. Whilst I think Nicos is probably right, I have to say that I don't think he has done himself any favours here with comments #8 & #12. "I will reopen this [bug]. And I will keep reopening it indefinitely. Every time you close it, I will open it again." After being told by the dev not to! I mean, I think the problem is (probably) the dev's stubbornness, but that ain't going to win any friends and influence people. A better thing to do, for instance, might have been to open another bug based on Nico's assertion that "gnome-mplayer looks ugly under KDE". You could add a screenshot for that, and even state that the fix is reinstating the GTK2 USE flag. But my experience is that arguing with a rock doesn't get you anywhere. Stroller. [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374057#c8
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Wireless KVM, but just V?
I haven't used them, but I'm somewhat sceptical of Avocent as a brand. Their network KVMs (all that I've seen advertised, I think) use proprietary viewer software. I don't think they even allow you to view using a web-based viewer applet (as do many other network KVMs), and I think they may even charge for upgrades of the viewer software (when you've paid £1000+ for their hardware!). The company that OEM's my Blackbox network KVM [1] also make "Digital Signage" AV extenders [2] - I would guess that these are doing essentially the same thing as a network KVM, but without the part that transmits the keyboard and mouse back. The important part is that they're a frame-grabber, taking as input the VGA or DVI from a computer's video card - that can then be transmitted across the network digitally. I would doubt that this kind of "AV extender" is much cheaper than a network KVM, which you can get in single-channel versions [3], but the performance may be better that I've seen on network KVMs. You can get great deals on network KVMs secondhand (expect to pay £100 - £200 on eBay) but at least with that generation (i.e. typically 5 - 8 years old) the resolution and refresh rate is a bit limiting, and there's no way you could use them for video. But a good network KVM (like the Blackbox) will allow you to control the remote computer using a standard VNC client. Dale needs to give us more info about *what he's trying to do*. It might well be, from his apparent lack of need to control the remote PC, that a $100 STB "network streaming media player", such as the Western Digital TV+, would do that job. That allows you to play video files across the network, and does so at high quality. Stroller. [1] http://www.kvms.com/ID/34040.aspx [2] http://dmtz.com/avx/ [3] http://dmtz.com/dmt-320/ On 7 July 2011, at 05:03, William Kenworthy wrote: > Like http://www.connectivity.avocent.com/solutions/wirelessav.asp? > > Google! > > BillK > > > On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 20:08 -0700, Grant wrote: >> Does a device exist that will allow you to send the video signal from >> a Gentoo system wirelessly across the room to a monitor? Should I >> just get a wireless KVM unit and not use the KM?
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Time for hardware upgrade(s)
On 6 July 2011, at 19:54, Grant wrote: > ... > I wonder if I'll be able to decode 1080p in software on a single core > now without losing A/V sync. I kinda doubt it. I've been on an > Athlon X2 3.1Ghz. Note that some 1080p videos are harder to decode than others. The "birds scene" from the BBC's Planet Earth documentary is widely used as test video. It's h264 and I believe the encoding is valid but "poorly mastered"; it doesn't play smoothly on either my Mac or my STB (with a dedicated hardware decoding chip), but I *presume* it plays on many commodity blu-ray players. I'm sure I must have tested it on my PS3 but I can't recall how it performs. Stroller.
[gentoo-user] Re: Managing multiple Gentoo systems
The 06/07/11, Grant wrote: > >> After a frustrating experience with a Linksys WRT54GL, I've decided to > >> stick with Gentoo routers. This increases the number of Gentoo > >> systems I'm responsible for and they're nearing double-digits. What > >> can be done to make the management of multiple Gentoo systems easier? > >> I think identical hardware in each system would help a lot but I'm not > >> sure that's practical. I need to put together a bunch of new > >> workstations and I'm thinking some sort of server/client arrangement > >> with the only Gentoo install being on the server could be appropriate. > > > > I maintain multiple Gentoo we mostly use as KVM hosts systems (and > > coming embedded routers). As KVM hosts, some of them are very sensible. > > Due to the contracts to our customers, I have to do with various update > > strategies on top of various hardware. > > Thanks to everyone for some very juicy tidbits. I'm rearranging my > thinking on all of this. I think the key for me may be to combine > systems with separate functions in the same physical location into a > single system. Does the KVM thing work well? KVM itself works very well here, even with advanced features such as KSM pages sharing. The difficulties come with Microsoft products for both good integration and perfomance (I would recommend RAW format, iSCSI or plain physical partition instead of qcow2, for example). That beeing said, I finally have all working well for XP, NT2003 and 2008 servers. I use libvirt on top of KVM which is in the way to become very good AFA you don't rely on libvirt's API which tend to move a lot. >Running a bunch of > workstations as nothing more than wireless KVM setups on the same > system? I should be able to cut my Gentoo systems down to just a few. > Basically one at each physical location. I would be much sceptical for both workstations and wireless guests than for servers: 1) For workstations, things are currently changing with the very recent and "not much usable with Gentoo, yet" spice software. I expect a lot of improvments in the coming months for this use case. I would say it's not ready for production, yet. 2) About wireless virtualization it's highly depending on what you aim to do, especially if you intend to use the PCI passthrough feature to give your wireless card to a guest. For this to work, you MUST have your hardware (CPU, motherboard and PCI card) VT-d compatible which is currently NOT a piece of cake, today. It relies on industry and manufacturers moving not as fast as software. I would expect more widely VT-d cards in the coming _years_. Now, if you intend to use the wireless card from you hosts and share networks using bridge utilities it _MAY_ be OK: Linux bridging does not always work with all wireless cards (see http://tinyurl.com/ylcutwv for more information). In a more general approach, when I hear "routers" and "wireless" I'm more thinking _embedded_. KVM/qemu would only help you to build your target systems. For embedded (or tiny, at least) systems, I would not use LXC. The drawback with Gentoo is that the current official uclibc stage3 for embedded/tiny systems is obsolete and marked as experimental. In facts, it's very _hard_ if not impossible to use it these days. Making your own cross-compilation environment is not a piece of cake (too), even with dedicated tools such as crossdev. This topic would ask its own book. So, if you want to try Gentoo embedded save your time by working on unofficial stage3. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.
Dale wrote: You have a good point but there is a problem. Some of the kernels I tried ran on this machine with uptimes of several weeks and not one lock up. It could be some upgrade that affected this but who knows what that was since I have updated a lot. As for nvidia, I tried both versions that work with my card that are in portage. I got the same with that no matter what I tried. As for .39 kernels, I mentioned in this mess somewhere that I had upgraded but ran into problems with that series so I deleted them. I may just be adding to the problems I am having if I do upgrade again. But since I got to try something, I'll try the latest .39 and see what it does. I remember having this type of problem once before. It turned out to be a gcc problem if I recall correctly. I went back a version of gcc and then did a emerge -e world. After that, things worked fine. Thing is, I have had the same gcc since I built this rig according to genlop. Weird. Dale :-) :-) I tried the latest .39 kernel. It does the exact same thing as a .38 kernel. I also tried a kernel that was the first one I made when I built this rig. It locked up as well. It appears to me that either every single kernel, including ones that worked fine before, are either broke or it is not related to the kernel itself. I'm starting to bet on the last one. I did notice one thing tho. When I tried to emerge the nvidia drivers for the .39 kernel, emerge wanted to DOWNGRADE glibc. This ain't my first trip to Linux land. Can someone explain to me why the heck emerge wants to do something as crazy as that? I think every one here knows that is a really bad thing to even think of much less actually try. Is it possible that something in glibc is causing trouble and this is someone's wet dream to fix it? Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Xfce4 shutdown issues
Thanks Rudmer, This works well. Thanks for your help. I was under the impression that these rules were supplied but obviously not. Must have got them from somewhere else before but can't remember where. Many thanks Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2 -Original Message- From: Rudmer van Dijk Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 07:30:50 To: Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Xfce4 shutdown issues On Wednesday 06 July 2011 16:37:40 john wrote: > Since a recent upgrade of polkit (I think) as a normal user I can no > longer shutdown using log out, shutdown option not available. As root > using shutdown only logs you out but does not shutdown. > > On a second machine as a normal user I can see shutdown but this only > logs me out. > > Are we supposed to write our own rules for this? > > I am in plugdev group and have dbus, consolekit and polkit in use flags. > > I cannot see any difference between config files on 2 machines but 1 is > a laptop the other desktop??? > > Any suggestions other than converting to e16? (which is becoming > tempting). This seems to happen every upgrade of xfce4/polkit/dbus. I had the same problem and have made this rule/config in /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/power.pkla -- start file -- [Local restart] Identity=unix-group:wheel Action=org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.restart ResultAny=yes ResultInactive=no ResultActive=yes [Local shutdown] Identity=unix-group:wheel Action=org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.stop ResultAny=yes ResultInactive=no ResultActive=yes [Local restart - multiple] Identity=unix-group:wheel Action=org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.restart-multiple-users ResultAny=yes ResultInactive=no ResultActive=yes [Local shutdown - multiple] Identity=unix-group:wheel Action=org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.stop-multiple-users ResultAny=yes ResultInactive=no ResultActive=yes -- end file -- don't know where I got it from, not from a Gentoo handbook... but this works for me 8-) you might also want to use an udisks.pkla to access usb devices: -- start file -- [udisks full access] Identity=unix-group:usb Action=org.freedesktop.udisks.* ResultAny=yes -- end file -- Rudmer
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: output of emerge -v emacs-vcs (not the masking something else)
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 22:54:56 Harry Putnam did opine thusly: > walt writes: > > On 07/03/2011 03:07 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: > >> I'm getting output from emerge -v emacs-vcs like this: > >> * ERROR: app-editors/emacs-vcs-24.0.-r1 failed (unpack > >> phase): * bzr.eclass: can't pull from > >> bzr://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/emacs/trunk/ > >> > >> I tried > >> > >> bzr branch bzr://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/emacs/trunk/ > >> > >> by hand and had no problems with it. > > > > I've never used a version that pulls from bzr, but I have > > used some that pull from git and (yuk) svn. The cloned repos > > were stored (I think) in /usr/portage/disfiles/git (or svn) -- > > or something similar. > > > > If you can find a bzr repo in your /usr/portage/distfiles, try > > deleting it. My memory is a bit fuzzy here, but you get the > > general idea, I hope. > > Haaa... yep, that worked .. (deleting bzr-src) > > I was suprized to learn the repo was created in > /usr/portage/distfiles > > I thought it would happen in /var/tmp. Well, now I know... thanks. Repo checkouts can be very very big, so you don't want to re-download everything every time you build a - package, hence the use of persistent storage. Using svn as an example, the first time you emerge the package portage will do a checkout. On subsequent times it will do an update, saving huge amounts of bandwidth. > > If you happen to do an `emerge emacs-vcs' be prepared for a really > loooggg wait on bzr. It is the absolute slowest thing going to > check a module out from. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?
On Thursday 07 July 2011 10:12:43 微菜 did opine thusly: > Devs can do what ever they think are right. Don't argue with them > unless you pay them. Want gtk2 support? Put your ebuild in your > personal overlay. Gentoo users have developed a certain expectation over the years, whereby devs will take user needs seriously and go to extra-ordinary lengths to support everything under the sun. That's what Gentoo does. That's how the system by and large works, and that's what users have come to expect. It's unreasonable for a dev to think they can willy-nilly change that based SOLELY on their own opinion, as the greater community was not built around that behaviour. Commit rights never gave a dev that power. > > On 2011年07月07日 00:35, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > Is there a secret plan in place to keep users from being able to > > use Gtk 2 in packages that support both Gtk 2 and 3? And if > > yes, why? Is the user considered too stupid to grasp the > > awesomeness of Gtk 3 so that the devs have to force the choice > > upon them? > > > > I'm talking about this: > > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374057 > > > > So why should users not be able to choose Gtk 2 with a USE flag? > > What is the reason people use Gentoo? Isn't one of them the > > ability of being able to rebuild packages with different USE > > flags? > > > > And what is happening to the developers lately? Some of them > > have become hostile and arrogant against their own users. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.
Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: 2011/7/6 Dale: Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: Dale, random hard-lockups are only due to hardware or kerne, it can't be otherwisel (drivers count as part of kernel). The fact that compilation doesn't lock your system only means that the thing (whatever it is) is not bount to intensive I/O operations and/or high cpu loads. Openldap itself can't hard lock up anything if the kernel doesn't give it permissions to do so (kernel bug) or if the hardware is not faulty. Same goes for tray apps. OK. I tested this and it doesn't help any. I tried three different kernels, all of which I have used in the past with no problems, and get the same thing. I have tried reinstalling nvidia-drivers and a different versions of nvidia-drivers, same thing. So, either previously working kernels are now broke, nvidia which was working fine just a few days ago with no recent updates here just broke or just maybe it is something else we have yet to figure out yet. I also ran memtest for HOURS with not one problem reported. Given I have tried the above, do you still think it is kernel, nvidia or hardware? I'm about to run tests on the drive now. I suspect it is going to show no problems as well. I can't know what it is, but all the kernels you list are .38, and all of them are affected by the bug I described, so you haven't discarded anything yet. Try 2.6.39.2 if you want to discard that. All the drivers you've tried are also the same nvidia-drivers, so that's a poor attempt as well. Try vesa, as said. All I say is that user land applications CAN'T hard lock the whole OS unless the kernel let's them do so. And that can only happens because of three reasons: a) kernel bug b) drivers c) hardware Unless it's not truly a hard-lock, in which case the title of the thread is misleading. I did try .39 but it had issues. I got rid of those. Right, but .38 suffers the bug we are telling you. So you'll have to fix these issues, or you'll never discard the possibility that's the USB bug from .38 bitting you. You have a good point but there is a problem. Some of the kernels I tried ran on this machine with uptimes of several weeks and not one lock up. It could be some upgrade that affected this but who knows what that was since I have updated a lot. As for nvidia, I tried both versions that work with my card that are in portage. I got the same with that no matter what I tried. As for .39 kernels, I mentioned in this mess somewhere that I had upgraded but ran into problems with that series so I deleted them. I may just be adding to the problems I am having if I do upgrade again. But since I got to try something, I'll try the latest .39 and see what it does. I remember having this type of problem once before. It turned out to be a gcc problem if I recall correctly. I went back a version of gcc and then did a emerge -e world. After that, things worked fine. Thing is, I have had the same gcc since I built this rig according to genlop. Weird. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.
William Kenworthy wrote: On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 23:01 -0500, Dale wrote: Dale wrote: Dale wrote: Thoughts? Anyone think of anything that could cause this? Dale :-) :-) Hi Dale, I have not been following the thread, but have you tried starting the problem apps, konsole etc from a basic xterm with strace? BillK That's a thought. I happened to already have a Konsole open in Fluxbox so I typed in Firefox. It started then locked up Fluxbox. I could still see the Konsole screen and nothing was printed as far as error messages. I'm not sure I can tell anything with strace. I'm not sure I will be able to see the messages enough to see what happens. Since the GUI locks up, I can't move things around or save the errors either. It's a good idea tho. I'm just not sure how to skin this little kitty. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.
2011/7/6 Dale : > Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: >> >> Dale, random hard-lockups are only due to hardware or kerne, it can't >> be otherwisel (drivers count as part of kernel). The fact that >> compilation doesn't lock your system only means that the thing >> (whatever it is) is not bount to intensive I/O operations and/or high >> cpu loads. >> >> Openldap itself can't hard lock up anything if the kernel doesn't give >> it permissions to do so (kernel bug) or if the hardware is not faulty. >> Same goes for tray apps. >> >> > > OK. I tested this and it doesn't help any. I tried three different > kernels, all of which I have used in the past with no problems, and get the > same thing. I have tried reinstalling nvidia-drivers and a different > versions of nvidia-drivers, same thing. So, either previously working > kernels are now broke, nvidia which was working fine just a few days ago > with no recent updates here just broke or just maybe it is something else we > have yet to figure out yet. I also ran memtest for HOURS with not one > problem reported. > > Given I have tried the above, do you still think it is kernel, nvidia or > hardware? I'm about to run tests on the drive now. I suspect it is going > to show no problems as well. I can't know what it is, but all the kernels you list are .38, and all of them are affected by the bug I described, so you haven't discarded anything yet. Try 2.6.39.2 if you want to discard that. All the drivers you've tried are also the same nvidia-drivers, so that's a poor attempt as well. Try vesa, as said. All I say is that user land applications CAN'T hard lock the whole OS unless the kernel let's them do so. And that can only happens because of three reasons: a) kernel bug b) drivers c) hardware Unless it's not truly a hard-lock, in which case the title of the thread is misleading. > I did try .39 but it had issues. I got rid of those. Right, but .38 suffers the bug we are telling you. So you'll have to fix these issues, or you'll never discard the possibility that's the USB bug from .38 bitting you. -- Jesús Guerrero Botella
