[gentoo-user] Re: Gnome audio (mixer) question [SOLVED YET AGAIN]
On 25.10.2009 18:07, walt wrote: On 10/25/2009 08:19 AM, walt wrote: Merging gnome-media with the pulseaudio USE flag breaks gnome-volume-control most horribly IMO, but OTOH I don't understand pulseaudio, so maybe I'm wrong. I found the gnome 2.26 upgrade guide, which points to the pulseaudio documentation. It seems that pulseaudio has its own mixer control (not included in gentoo's pulseaudio package) so maybe it does make sense to remove that function from gnome's volume control applet. Looking at the pulseaudio documentation it seems to be a very well-designed system. But there are so many components to it that I found it very confusing to configure. In fact, after fiddling around with it for two days, I gave up on that, removed USE=pulseaudio again, and rebuilt world. Now I only have the problem that I cannot start the GNOME Volume Control applet any more. When I try I get Some panel items are no longer available One or more panel items (also referred to as applets) are no longer available in the GNOME desktop. These items will now be removed from your configuration: • Volume Control You will not receive this message again. so I have to go to the full mixer in the menu instead. My problem was that I never got any sound out of it, with any application. And I lost all but one mixer slider. With the alsa-based backend, my system has the peculiarity that it starts up with Front and Headphone levels at 100% but muted and Master at 100% (unmuted), I always have to unmute Front before I want any sound. With pulseaudio active, all but the Master slider were gone, so I didn't have any way to influence the levels on the other components. At least that's what I am thinking might have been going on, but maybe I'm wrong. Peter.
[gentoo-user] Re: Gnome audio (mixer) question [SOLVED YET AGAIN]
On 10/26/2009 02:10 AM, Peter Weilbacher wrote: On 25.10.2009 18:07, walt wrote: It seems that pulseaudio has its own mixer control (not included in gentoo's pulseaudio package) so maybe it does make sense to remove that function from gnome's volume control applet. Looking at the pulseaudio documentation it seems to be a very well-designed system. But there are so many components to it that I found it very confusing to configure. In fact, after fiddling around with it for two days, I gave up on that, removed USE=pulseaudio again, and rebuilt world. Now I only have the problem that I cannot start the GNOME Volume Control applet any more. When I try I get Some panel items are no longer available One or more panel items (also referred to as applets) are no longer available in the GNOME desktop. These items will now be removed from your configuration: • Volume Control You say you rebuilt world. Was gnome-media actually rebuild without the pulseaudio Use flag? That's where gnome-volume-control comes from, not from the panel applets package. BTW, you can also do nicely without the esd USE flag and esound also, but you'll need to revdep-rebuild after because lots of packages will break (but they all still work perfectly after the rebuild.)
[gentoo-user] Re: Gnome audio (mixer) question [SOLVED YET AGAIN]
On 26.10.2009 14:19, walt wrote: You say you rebuilt world. Was gnome-media actually rebuild without the pulseaudio Use flag? That's where gnome-volume-control comes from, not from the panel applets package. Yes, I used the usual |emerge -vpDNu world| and that did remerge gnome-media. BTW, you can also do nicely without the esd USE flag and esound also, but you'll need to revdep-rebuild after because lots of packages will break (but they all still work perfectly after the rebuild.) Interesting, nice tip. I just finished getting rid of it. It was a bit of a mess because revdep-rebuild didn't discover a -lesd in libgoffice-0.6.la and hence gnumeric failed to emerge until I finally removed that by hand. But it's great to have one dependency less. And sound still seems to work. :-) Cheers, Peter.
[gentoo-user] Re: Gnome audio (mixer) question [SOLVED YET AGAIN]
On 10/25/2009 08:19 AM, walt wrote: Merging gnome-media with the pulseaudio USE flag breaks gnome-volume-control most horribly IMO, but OTOH I don't understand pulseaudio, so maybe I'm wrong. I found the gnome 2.26 upgrade guide, which points to the pulseaudio documentation. It seems that pulseaudio has its own mixer control (not included in gentoo's pulseaudio package) so maybe it does make sense to remove that function from gnome's volume control applet. However, the most important thing I learned is that I have no use whatever for pulseaudio -- and I doubt that many other people do, either. It seems to be a massively complex solution hunting for a problem. How many of us want/need to play two or more soundtracks at the same time? If I'm wrong about this, please correct me. I'd like to know why all those devs spent so much energy building it. Thanks.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gnome audio (mixer) question [SOLVED YET AGAIN]
walt wrote: On 10/25/2009 08:19 AM, walt wrote: Merging gnome-media with the pulseaudio USE flag breaks gnome-volume-control most horribly IMO, but OTOH I don't understand pulseaudio, so maybe I'm wrong. I found the gnome 2.26 upgrade guide, which points to the pulseaudio documentation. It seems that pulseaudio has its own mixer control (not included in gentoo's pulseaudio package) so maybe it does make sense to remove that function from gnome's volume control applet. However, the most important thing I learned is that I have no use whatever for pulseaudio -- and I doubt that many other people do, either. It seems to be a massively complex solution hunting for a problem. How many of us want/need to play two or more soundtracks at the same time? If I'm wrong about this, please correct me. I'd like to know why all those devs spent so much energy building it. Thanks. It coming from upstream (red hat-fedora) and Lennart Poettering You can read some of the reasoning here; http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeaturePulseaudio The bottom line is we will need to get use to it at some point not sure when that will be. I did come up with a little guide; http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-789181.html I have been using it for a while and for the most part it has been fine. -david
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gnome audio (mixer) question [SOLVED YET AGAIN]
=== On Sun, 10/25, walt wrote: === If I'm wrong about this, please correct me. I'd like to know why all those devs spent so much energy building it. === Me too. ;-) I agree with you. It has done nothing but cause problems for me also. I don't think it provides any functionality that ALSA, or an ALSA plugin and configuration, can not also do. -- Keith Dart -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
