Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
Dan Johansson wrote: On Tuesday 25 April 2006 07:33, Alexander Skwar wrote: Dan Johansson wrote: On Monday 24 April 2006 20:04, Michael Sullivan wrote: On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 19:58 +0200, Dan Johansson wrote: I only need a telnet client and not the whole server part. Any [...] I think the one I use is called 'telnet-bsd'. It's just the client... Thanks for the tip, but it is also client + server. (:-( Uhm - so? Just leave the server disabled. Where's the problem? Yes I know that I can just let the server disabled. But I was just wondering if there where any alternatives so that the server don't get started by accident. How should it get started by accident? You'll need root rights to start it. Alexander Skwar -- Book: They'll come at you sideways. It's how they think: sideways. Sidle up and smile, hit you where you're weak. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
Nick Rout wrote: Piping to telnet worked with netkit-telnetd's client but not telnet-bsd's Then the software is really broken... Standard behaviour of telnet is to NOT read from stdin. That's, why there is netcat. Alexander Skwar -- Book: They'll come at you sideways. It's how they think: sideways. Sidle up and smile, hit you where you're weak. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
On Wednesday 26 April 2006 09:42, Alexander Skwar wrote: Dan Johansson wrote: On Tuesday 25 April 2006 07:33, Alexander Skwar wrote: Dan Johansson wrote: On Monday 24 April 2006 20:04, Michael Sullivan wrote: On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 19:58 +0200, Dan Johansson wrote: I only need a telnet client and not the whole server part. Any [...] I think the one I use is called 'telnet-bsd'. It's just the client... Thanks for the tip, but it is also client + server. (:-( Uhm - so? Just leave the server disabled. Where's the problem? Yes I know that I can just let the server disabled. But I was just wondering if there where any alternatives so that the server don't get started by accident. How should it get started by accident? You'll need root rights to start it. By me at 06:00 AM after 24h wake time. (;-) and like the most of us I've also done some stupid things during my 15+ years as UNIX/Linux admin. Seriously, as I said before I was just checking if there where any alternatives. So one again thanks for your input, -- Dan Johansson, http://www.dmj.nu *** This message is printed on 100% recycled electrons! *** pgpMD1o46AHG4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
On Tuesday 25 April 2006 07:33, Alexander Skwar wrote: Dan Johansson wrote: On Monday 24 April 2006 20:04, Michael Sullivan wrote: On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 19:58 +0200, Dan Johansson wrote: I only need a telnet client and not the whole server part. Any [...] I think the one I use is called 'telnet-bsd'. It's just the client... Thanks for the tip, but it is also client + server. (:-( Uhm - so? Just leave the server disabled. Where's the problem? Yes I know that I can just let the server disabled. But I was just wondering if there where any alternatives so that the server don't get started by accident. Will probably delete the server after the emerge. Tanks for your input! -- Dan Johansson, http://www.dmj.nu *** This message is printed on 100% recycled electrons! *** pgpUupoEGHD4N.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
Dan Johansson wrote: Yes I know that I can just let the server disabled. But I was just wondering if there where any alternatives so that the server don't get started by accident. Will probably delete the server after the emerge. Tanks for your input! You might want to delete chmod and chown as well since files could accidentally get owned to another users or have its permissions changed. :-) kashani -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:44:12 -0700, kashani wrote: You might want to delete chmod and chown as well since files could accidentally get owned to another users or have its permissions changed. :-) rm -f /sbin/init should remove the possibility of accidents :) -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 40: Same difference signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
On Tue April 25 2006 14:31, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:44:12 -0700, kashani wrote: You might want to delete chmod and chown as well since files could accidentally get owned to another users or have its permissions changed. :-) rm -f /sbin/init should remove the possibility of accidents :) I find that rm -rf .* works wonders for security. -- *** Dr. Erik Zeek Postdoctoral Research Associate Department of Physics and Astronomy The University of Georgia Athens, GA 30602-2451 Tel: 706-542-7293 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Html: http://www.physast.uga.edu/~zeekec *** Against stupidity the very gods Themselves contend in vain. - Johann Christoph Friedrich von Schiller (1801) *** pgpxnX3OUhGAZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
On Tue April 25 2006 14:46, John Jolet wrote: I find that rm -rf .* works wonders for security. Now guys, someone new is going to try one of these! :) And we all know we've done that at one time or another. Mine was rm -fr /* filename on a running sun box. :) during month-end processing. Once would have been understandable, but I did mine twice (only once as root though). It's fun to stare at the screen wondering why it's taken 5 minutes to delete two hidden directories, followed by a scream of, OH SH*T! which is immediately followed by frantically pounding ctrl-c. -- *** Dr. Erik Zeek Postdoctoral Research Associate Department of Physics and Astronomy The University of Georgia Athens, GA 30602-2451 Tel: 706-542-7293 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Html: http://www.physast.uga.edu/~zeekec *** Against stupidity the very gods Themselves contend in vain. - Johann Christoph Friedrich von Schiller (1801) *** pgpcLk7ReXpl1.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
-Original Message- From: Erik Zeek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:11 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd On Tue April 25 2006 14:46, John Jolet wrote: I find that rm -rf .* works wonders for security. Now guys, someone new is going to try one of these! :) And we all know we've done that at one time or another. Mine was rm -fr /* filename on a running sun box. :) during month-end processing. Once would have been understandable, but I did mine twice (only once as root though). It's fun to stare at the screen wondering why it's taken 5 minutes to delete two hidden directories, followed by a scream of, OH SH*T! which is immediately followed by frantically pounding ctrl-c. -- *** Dr. Erik Zeek Postdoctoral Research Associate Department of Physics and Astronomy The University of Georgia Athens, GA 30602-2451 Tel: 706-542-7293 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Html: http://www.physast.uga.edu/~zeekec *** Against stupidity the very gods Themselves contend in vain. - Johann Christoph Friedrich von Schiller (1801) *** -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
Grr. I hate this keyboard. Once would have been understandable, but I did mine twice (only once as root though). It's fun to stare at the screen wondering why it's taken 5 minutes to delete two hidden directories, followed by a scream of, OH SH*T! which is immediately followed by frantically pounding ctrl-c. And then going OMG, my last backup was *when*!?!? (grin) Best, --G. -- Glenn E. Sieb, MTS Bell Laboratories [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 732 949 5453 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:44:12 -0700, kashani wrote: You might want to delete chmod and chown as well since files could accidentally get owned to another users or have its permissions changed. :-) rm -f /sbin/init should remove the possibility of accidents :) heh, I like this one best. The point we're making, yes there is a point, is there are more dangerous tools that are part of your OS than any telnet daemon. Assuming someone has enough access to start telnet your system is pretty much toast. If you really think you're going to sonasysadmin then adding an iptables rule for port 23 is probably the best method Personally I keep the telnet server around so I can start it when I'm updating openssh. kashani -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:10:55 -0400, Erik Zeek wrote: Once would have been understandable, but I did mine twice (only once as root though). It's fun to stare at the screen wondering why it's taken 5 minutes to delete two hidden directories, followed by a scream of, OH SH*T! which is immediately followed by frantically pounding ctrl-c. Against stupidity the very gods Themselves contend in vain. - Johann Christoph Friedrich von Schiller (1801) How apt :) -- Neil Bothwick It is easier to fix Unix than to live with NT. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
Just a warning, the netkit-telnetd and telnet-bsd clients do not work identically. I was recently testing some remote control software that connected to a remote telnet port. The software would issue command like: echo jump mainmenu | telnet mythtvbox 6546 Piping to telnet worked with netkit-telnetd's client but not telnet-bsd's On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:58:06 +0200 Dan Johansson wrote: I only need a telnet client and not the whole server part. Any suggestions on alternatives to netkit-telnetd. The Client must behave just like the standard telnet-client (I have some expect-scripts using telnet). Regards, -- Dan Johansson, http://www.dmj.nu *** This message is printed on 100% recycled electrons! *** -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
On Tuesday 25 April 2006 18:58, Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd':
Piping to telnet worked with netkit-telnetd's client but not
telnet-bsd's
Sound like one opens a new pty and the other just uses std{in,out,err}.
A good expect script should work with both. :)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
Am Dienstag, 25. April 2006 20:31 schrieb ext Neil Bothwick: rm -f /sbin/init should remove the possibility of accidents :) No, it wouldn't. People could still - by accident, of course - append init=/bin/bash to their kernel command line. However, you'd need to try hard to create an accident, then ;-) Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgpgpGDbElt2X.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
I only need a telnet client and not the whole server part. Any suggestions on alternatives to netkit-telnetd. The Client must behave just like the standard telnet-client (I have some expect-scripts using telnet). Regards, -- Dan Johansson, http://www.dmj.nu *** This message is printed on 100% recycled electrons! *** pgpzdbgutvz0C.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 19:58 +0200, Dan Johansson wrote: I only need a telnet client and not the whole server part. Any suggestions on alternatives to netkit-telnetd. The Client must behave just like the standard telnet-client (I have some expect-scripts using telnet). Regards, I think the one I use is called 'telnet-bsd'. It's just the client... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
On 4/24/06, Dan Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only need a telnet client and not the whole server part. Any suggestions on alternatives to netkit-telnetd. The Client must behave just like the standard telnet-client (I have some expect-scripts using telnet). Its lightweight, I mean extremely small, not more than a few minutes (seconds?) compile time. Why don't you just emerge it and don't activate the server?! -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
On Monday 24 April 2006 20:04, Michael Sullivan wrote: On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 19:58 +0200, Dan Johansson wrote: I only need a telnet client and not the whole server part. Any suggestions on alternatives to netkit-telnetd. The Client must behave just like the standard telnet-client (I have some expect-scripts using telnet). Regards, I think the one I use is called 'telnet-bsd'. It's just the client... Thanks for the tip, but it is also client + server. (:-( Merging net-misc/telnet-bsd-1.2 to / --- /etc/ /etc/xinetd.d/ /etc/xinetd.d/telnetd --- /usr/ --- /usr/bin/ /usr/bin/telnet --- /usr/sbin/ /usr/sbin/in.telnetd -- Dan Johansson, http://www.dmj.nu *** This message is printed on 100% recycled electrons! *** pgpWVfyfeE2hR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
I only need a telnet client and not the whole server part. Any suggestions on alternatives to netkit-telnetd. The Client must behave just like the standard telnet-client (I have some expect-scripts using telnet). netcat - the one and only. -- Best Regards, Peper -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
Dan Johansson wrote: I only need a telnet client and not the whole server part. Any suggestions on alternatives to netkit-telnetd. The Client must behave just like the standard telnet-client (I have some expect-scripts using telnet). Regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ time sudo emerge -vb netkit-telnetd real0m13.975s user0m8.141s sys 0m1.655s netkit-telnetd is *very* small. Just emerge it. The server is not on by default so you don't have to worry about it. Or, if you are *really* paranoid, emerge netkit-telnetd and then do this as root: rm /etc/xinetd.d/telnetd /usr/sbin/telnetd Now you only have a client!! Jim -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Alternative to netkit-telnetd
Dan Johansson wrote: On Monday 24 April 2006 20:04, Michael Sullivan wrote: On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 19:58 +0200, Dan Johansson wrote: I only need a telnet client and not the whole server part. Any [...] I think the one I use is called 'telnet-bsd'. It's just the client... Thanks for the tip, but it is also client + server. (:-( Uhm - so? Just leave the server disabled. Where's the problem? Alexander Skwar -- All possibility of understanding is rooted in the ability to say no. -- Susan Sontag -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
