[gentoo-user] FTP Server
Does anyone have any suggestions/preferences to a secure FTP server for Gentoo? My 55+ year old father-in-law wants to start learning building websites. I am having him install Nvu and want to setup ftp to my web server and give him his own directory to play with. I have never had a need for ftp since I have always used ssh. However, I want to make it as easy as possible for him to learn web page design, so that is why I thought ftp would be the easiest and most supported by tools. He uses winXP and I think Nvu can publish to ftp. If he really gets into building websites, he wants to purchase something like dreamweaver. >From my perspective, I don't want an ftp server that will allow someone to get in to my gentoo box by brute forcing a username and password. I guess I can install something like denyhosts if the ftp server uses tcp wrappers. Thanks for any guidance, Jim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- You roll an 18 in Dex and see if you don't end up with a girlfriend =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- JimD Central FL, USA, Earth, Sol -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
On Tuesday 6 June 2006 17:38, JimD wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions/preferences to a secure FTP server > for Gentoo? > > My 55+ year old father-in-law wants to start learning building > websites. I am having him install Nvu and want to setup ftp to my web > server and give him his own directory to play with. > > I have never had a need for ftp since I have always used ssh. > However, I want to make it as easy as possible for him to learn web > page design, so that is why I thought ftp would be the easiest and > most supported by tools. He uses winXP and I think Nvu can publish to > ftp. If he really gets into building websites, he wants to purchase > something like dreamweaver. > > >From my perspective, I don't want an ftp server that will allow > > someone > > to get in to my gentoo box by brute forcing a username and password. > I guess I can install something like denyhosts if the ftp server uses > tcp wrappers. > > Thanks for any guidance, What about sftp? You only need to have ssh running. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
> Does anyone have any suggestions/preferences to a secure FTP server for > Gentoo? > > My 55+ year old father-in-law wants to start learning building websites. > I am having him install Nvu and want to setup ftp to my web server and > give him his own directory to play with. > > I have never had a need for ftp since I have always used ssh. However, > I want to make it as easy as possible for him to learn web page design, > so that is why I thought ftp would be the easiest and most supported by > tools. He uses winXP and I think Nvu can publish to ftp. If he really > gets into building websites, he wants to purchase something like > dreamweaver. > > From my perspective, I don't want an ftp server that will allow someone > to get in to my gentoo box by brute forcing a username and password. I > guess I can install something like denyhosts if the ftp server uses tcp > wrappers. > > Thanks for any guidance, > > Jim [Timothy A. Holmes] Take a look at sftp - its part of ssh - I don't know if nvu supports it or not but I know dreamweaver does Timothy A. Holmes IT Manager / Network Admin / Web Master / Computer Teacher Medina Christian Academy A Higher Standard... Jeremiah 33:3 Jeremiah 29:11 Esther 4:14 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
On Tuesday 06 June 2006 17:38, JimD wrote: > >From my perspective, I don't want an ftp server that will allow someone > > to get in to my gentoo box by brute forcing a username and password. I > guess I can install something like denyhosts if the ftp server uses tcp > wrappers. Maybe winscp is a better idea? It behaves like most windows ftpclients but uses scp to connect to your box with all the ssh goodness for security.. http://winscp.net/eng/index.php Gerhard -- Ithaka photography, http://ithaka.mine.nu/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
Did you check out sftp? Or programs like secure shell which do ftp also. > > From: JimD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/06/06 Tue AM 11:38:06 EDT > To: Gentoo-User > Subject: [gentoo-user] FTP Server > > Does anyone have any suggestions/preferences to a secure FTP server for > Gentoo? > > My 55+ year old father-in-law wants to start learning building websites. > I am having him install Nvu and want to setup ftp to my web server and > give him his own directory to play with. > > I have never had a need for ftp since I have always used ssh. However, > I want to make it as easy as possible for him to learn web page design, > so that is why I thought ftp would be the easiest and most supported by > tools. He uses winXP and I think Nvu can publish to ftp. If he really > gets into building websites, he wants to purchase something like > dreamweaver. > > From my perspective, I don't want an ftp server that will allow someone > to get in to my gentoo box by brute forcing a username and password. I > guess I can install something like denyhosts if the ftp server uses tcp > wrappers. > > Thanks for any guidance, > > Jim > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > You roll an 18 in Dex and see if you > don't end up with a girlfriend > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > JimD > Central FL, USA, Earth, Sol > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: > What about sftp? You only need to have ssh running. I have ssh. However, How many of the typical winXP tools for website editing support sftp? I was just looking at Nvu and the text editing in it stinks real bad. I don't know what windows software he will always use. He may try FrontPage or Dreamweaver or some other tool. A lot of those tools allow publishing to a site with FTP, though I am not sure if they support sftp. Jim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- You roll an 18 in Dex and see if you don't end up with a girlfriend =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- JimD Central FL, USA, Earth, Sol -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
Gerhard Hoogterp wrote: > On Tuesday 06 June 2006 17:38, JimD wrote: > >> >From my perspective, I don't want an ftp server that will allow someone >> >> to get in to my gentoo box by brute forcing a username and password. I >> guess I can install something like denyhosts if the ftp server uses tcp >> wrappers. > > > Maybe winscp is a better idea? It behaves like most windows ftpclients but > uses scp to connect to your box with all the ssh goodness for security.. > > http://winscp.net/eng/index.php > > Gerhard Ohhh, it has a gui too! I think we may have a winner ;-) Thanks, Jim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- You roll an 18 in Dex and see if you don't end up with a girlfriend =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- JimD Central FL, USA, Earth, Sol -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Did you check out sftp? Or programs like secure shell which do ftp also. I use ssh/sftp exclusively. I just have never really used any of the windows based WYIWYG-type website editors to know if they support ssh/sftp. Thanks, Jim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- You roll an 18 in Dex and see if you don't end up with a girlfriend =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- JimD Central FL, USA, Earth, Sol -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
Tuesday 06 June 2006 17:48 skrev Gerhard Hoogterp: > Maybe winscp is a better idea? It behaves like most windows ftpclients but > uses scp to connect to your box with all the ssh goodness for security.. Actually WinSCP supports both scp and sftp. By default it uses sftp because that supports resume if the connection fails during a transfer. scp does not support resuming. -- Bo Andresen pgpoUSqTi1955.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
Tuesday 06 June 2006 18:01 skrev JimD: > I don't know what windows software he will always > use. He may try FrontPage or Dreamweaver or some other tool. I would *really* recommend that he does not use Frontpage. It produces crap code... I know nothing about Dreamweaver though. -- Bo Andresen pgpZoTTkPg0VP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
On Tuesday 6 June 2006 18:01, JimD wrote: > I have ssh. However, How many of the typical winXP tools for website > editing support sftp? I was just looking at Nvu and the text editing > in it stinks real bad. I don't know what windows software he will > always use. He may try FrontPage or Dreamweaver or some other tool. > A lot of those tools allow publishing to a site with FTP, though I am > not sure if they support sftp. You can use a ftp-to-sftp bridge like mindterm (it's in java, so should be os-independent), or tunnel plain ftp over ssh (see http://fonc.sf.net). In both cases, any non-sftp-aware app works just fine, provided that things are set up correctly beforehand. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
On 06 June 2006 16:38, JimD wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions/preferences to a secure FTP server for > Gentoo? > > My 55+ year old father-in-law wants to start learning building websites. > I am having him install Nvu and want to setup ftp to my web server and > give him his own directory to play with. > > I have never had a need for ftp since I have always used ssh. However, > I want to make it as easy as possible for him to learn web page design, > so that is why I thought ftp would be the easiest and most supported by > tools. There is no such thing as a secure FTP server in my book. Maybe you can install a ssh/sftp client on his Windows box and use sftp. Uwe -- Mark Twain: I rather decline two drinks than a German adjective. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
Does anyone have any suggestions/preferences to a secure FTP server for Gentoo? Take a look at vsftpd. Their tagline: Very Secure FTP Daemon written with speed, size and security in mind. It's in portage, and I've been using it on a Gentoo system for some time now. I don't think it's ever had more than a half dozen or so simultaneous connections, so I'm not really giving it a workout, but I like it. I would *really* recommend that he does not use Frontpage. It produces crap code... I know nothing about Dreamweaver though. The latest iteration of Dreamweaver produces pretty good code. Leaps and bounds ahead of the previous versions and FP. -- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GAT d-(+) s+: a24 C++ UBL++ P+>+++ L++ E--- W+++$ N+ o? K? w O? M-- V? !PS !PE Y PGP- t++ 5++ X+ R+++ tv+ b++ DI D++ G e+ h-- r++ y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: On Tuesday 6 June 2006 17:38, JimD wrote: Does anyone have any suggestions/preferences to a secure FTP server for Gentoo? My 55+ year old father-in-law wants to start learning building websites. I am having him install Nvu and want to setup ftp to my web server and give him his own directory to play with. I have never had a need for ftp since I have always used ssh. However, I want to make it as easy as possible for him to learn web page design, so that is why I thought ftp would be the easiest and most supported by tools. He uses winXP and I think Nvu can publish to ftp. If he really gets into building websites, he wants to purchase something like dreamweaver. From my perspective, I don't want an ftp server that will allow someone to get in to my gentoo box by brute forcing a username and password. I guess I can install something like denyhosts if the ftp server uses tcp wrappers. Thanks for any guidance, What about sftp? You only need to have ssh running. What kind of a client do you need to talk to an sftp server? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
> -Original Message- > From: Bo Ørsted Andresen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:22 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server > > Tuesday 06 June 2006 18:01 skrev JimD: > > I don't know what windows software he will always > > use. He may try FrontPage or Dreamweaver or some other tool. > > I would *really* recommend that he does not use Frontpage. It produces > crap > code... I know nothing about Dreamweaver though. > > -- > Bo Andresen [Timothy A. Holmes] I love dreamweaver -- it works really great - the code is a bit verbose, BUT it is also very easy to trace because of that - I use it for all of our sites here - If you want a look http://www.mcaschool.net there may be a few errors lying about -- but those are mine, NOT dreamweavers and it does support sftp TIM Timothy A. Holmes IT Manager / Network Admin / Web Master / Computer Teacher Medina Christian Academy A Higher Standard... Jeremiah 33:3 Jeremiah 29:11 Esther 4:14 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
On Tuesday 6 June 2006 18:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > What about sftp? You only need to have ssh running. > > What kind of a client do you need to talk to an sftp server? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_SFTP_clients plus, of course, the sftp binary that comes with the openssh package. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
On 6/6/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tuesday 06 June 2006 18:01 skrev JimD: > I don't know what windows software he will always > use. He may try FrontPage or Dreamweaver or some other tool. I would *really* recommend that he does not use Frontpage. It produces crap code... I know nothing about Dreamweaver though. sftp works great, its easy, simple and secure. You already checked a GUI, so, shouldn't be a problem. Frontpage produces crappy code full of MS stuff, hides you the basics of HTML and has limited CSS editing. Dreamweaver works great, has few bugs and full CSS support, snippets and PHP/ASP/Javascript editing, but I strongly advice your father-in-law not to use a GUI to start webmastering, use plain old text editing software to really learn what's going on. -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
On 6/6/06, Daniel da Veiga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: sftp works great, its easy, simple and secure. You already checked a GUI, so, shouldn't be a problem. Frontpage produces crappy code full of MS stuff, hides you the basics of HTML and has limited CSS editing. Dreamweaver works great, has few bugs and full CSS support, snippets and PHP/ASP/Javascript editing, but I strongly advice your father-in-law not to use a GUI to start webmastering, use plain old text editing software to really learn what's going on. That's it. The worst thing you can ever come across is a webmaster who doesn't know HTML (I've worked with a few people like this). If you're into web building, you *must* know HTML and CSS. You might want a WYSIWYG editor to help you here and there, but you must know how things work behind, or else, no matter the tools, you'll end up producing crap code. -- Bruno Lustosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.lustosa.net/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: On Tuesday 6 June 2006 18:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about sftp? You only need to have ssh running. What kind of a client do you need to talk to an sftp server? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_SFTP_clients plus, of course, the sftp binary that comes with the openssh package. Thanks. I guess the question really is: Can the ftp client that's built in to programs like dreamweaver, frontpage, nvu, etc. work with an sftp or vsftp server, or do you need a special client? If my users have to install a special client, they may as well use WinSCP, but ideally, I can find a secure server (although I agree with the comment someone made about "secure ftp" being an oxymoron) that works with the html authoring tool my users already have. We all may have our opinions of dreamweaver, frontpage, and nvu, but so do my users, and I support them best if I allow them to use the tool of their choice. Ideally, I'd like a solution that works for clients on both OS X and Windows, as I have users of both flavors. M -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
On 6/6/06, Daniel da Veiga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: but I strongly advice your father-in-law not to use a GUI to start webmastering, use plain old text editing software to really learn what's going on. I agree with Daniel, if you learn on a GUI its far too easy to make bad websites. Start with VI and a good book, and do yourself a favor learning CSS and XHTML since that is where web design is headed. -Mike -- Michael E. Crute http://mike.crute.org It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes. --Douglas Adams -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
On 6/6/06, Michael Crute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I agree with Daniel, if you learn on a GUI its far too easy to make bad websites. Start with VI and a good book, and do yourself a favor learning CSS and XHTML since that is where web design is headed. It is probably a good idea to start with a good text editor and a book, but trying to learn vi and web design at the same time might be a bit overwhelming! -- Evan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
> On 6/6/06, Michael Crute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree with Daniel, if you learn on a GUI its far too easy to make > > bad websites. Start with VI and a good book, and do yourself a favor > > learning CSS and XHTML since that is where web design is headed. > > It is probably a good idea to start with a good text editor and a > book, but trying to learn vi and web design at the same time might be > a bit overwhelming! > > -- Evan > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list [Timothy A. Holmes] In this sense I am afraid I cannot agree with you. While I agree that it is ABSOLUTLY essential to learn XHTML and CSS code, trying to start from a blank vi or notepad screen is an exercise in frustration -- been there done that -- as I was beginning to learn web programming, working under incredible pressure from the then resident administration, I was trying to hand code everything in Visual InterDev. The crowning moment was 5 hours spent to produce 2 lines of NON-WORKING code. I far more recommend a authoring package like Dreamweaver that allows you to flip views or even split the views, so you can see what is happening to your code each time you make an insertion. I tend to do the "pretty" stuff in the gui and use the code editor (which has autocomplete and some other nice stuff) to do the code. In some cases (like constructing querys etc) DW makes it very easy to accomplish and provides CONSISTANT and WORKING code, which is something that beginning web builders have a hard time with. Even if you are set on doing hand code, do it with a coding editor such as Dreamweaver - the color coding, line numbers etc make it much easier to debug I would at ALL COSTS -- stay away from Front Page -- the code that it produces is HORRIBLE. Tim Timothy A. Holmes IT Manager / Network Admin / Web Master / Computer Teacher Medina Christian Academy A Higher Standard... Jeremiah 33:3 Jeremiah 29:11 Esther 4:14 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: > Tuesday 06 June 2006 18:01 skrev JimD: >> I don't know what windows software he will always >> use. He may try FrontPage or Dreamweaver or some other tool. > > I would *really* recommend that he does not use Frontpage. It produces crap > code... I know nothing about Dreamweaver though. Frontpage was just an example. As a programmer, I will do all in my power to prevent that junk from getting on his computer. It is my duty as a Linux Geek. :-) Jim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- You roll an 18 in Dex and see if you don't end up with a girlfriend =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- JimD Central FL, USA, Earth, Sol -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
On 6/6/06, Evan Klitzke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/6/06, Michael Crute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree with Daniel, if you learn on a GUI its far too easy to make > bad websites. Start with VI and a good book, and do yourself a favor > learning CSS and XHTML since that is where web design is headed. It is probably a good idea to start with a good text editor and a book, but trying to learn vi and web design at the same time might be a bit overwhelming! That's precisely why I didn't point it to GVIM for Windows, *lol*. And yes, a good book, online tutorial (I even like the CHM format) is the way to start, I had big trouble using GUIs, couldn't even create a simple table without a wizard, venturing in the world of text-only was the way to learn. Of course, you don't have to be a dinossaur and use vi or nano or notepad. You can use syntax highlight, completion, auto-ident, line numbering and snippets. But you must KNOW how to do it by hand in case you have no other option. -- Evan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
On Tuesday 06 June 2006 11:38, JimD wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions/preferences to a secure FTP server > for Gentoo? You've already heard a number of good suggestions here. I will state my support for the WinSCP option with one additional suggestion: Turn off shell access for the user in /etc/passwd and replace it with sftp like so: dad:x:1001:1001::/home/dad:/usr/lib/misc/sftp-server That way, if his box gets compromised, the intruder doesn't have a shell on your machine, just the ability to delete your dad's website ;-) Additionally, you may want to look into disabling password access alltogether for SSH instead opting for keys only. They can be restricted at the application layer (in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys) to reject requests for a login based on originating IP as well as key authentication. Frontpage is terrible, GoLive is comparable to Frontpage and Dreamweaver sucks... less. They're all guilty of using deprecated tags everywhere and they all create a dependency on the GUI rather than Doing It Right. I very much recommend Homesite, as it's less susceptible to the typical Dreamweaver-esque blunders. Lastly, I believe Dreamweaver, in combination with Putty can play nice with SFTP, and Homesite may very well be the same given that they're currently owned by the same company (Macromedia) -- Overspecialize, and you breed in weakness. It's slow death. - Ghost in the Shell -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
On 6/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks. I guess the question really is: Can the ftp client that's built in to programs like dreamweaver, frontpage, nvu, etc. work with an sftp or vsftp server, or do you need a special client? I'm assuming your reference to VSFTP is based on my recommendation of vsftpd. vsftpd stands for very secure file transfer protocol daemon, but make no mistake: This is an FTP daemon. The 'very secure' isn't referring to a protocol, they're just saying their daemon is very secure. I tend to agree. -- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GAT d-(+) s+: a24 C++ UBL++ P+>+++ L++ E--- W+++$ N+ o? K? w O? M-- V? !PS !PE Y PGP- t++ 5++ X+ R+++ tv+ b++ DI D++ G e+ h-- r++ y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
On 6/6/06, Timothy A. Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/6/06, Michael Crute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree with Daniel, if you learn on a GUI its far too easy to make > > bad websites. Start with VI and a good book, and do yourself a favor > > learning CSS and XHTML since that is where web design is headed. > > It is probably a good idea to start with a good text editor and a > book, but trying to learn vi and web design at the same time might be > a bit overwhelming! > > -- Evan > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list [Timothy A. Holmes] In this sense I am afraid I cannot agree with you. While I agree that it is ABSOLUTLY essential to learn XHTML and CSS code, trying to start from a blank vi or notepad screen is an exercise in frustration -- been there done that -- as I was beginning to learn web programming, working under incredible pressure from the then resident administration, I was trying to hand code everything in Visual InterDev. The crowning moment was 5 hours spent to produce 2 lines of NON-WORKING code. I far more recommend a authoring package like Dreamweaver that allows you to flip views or even split the views, so you can see what is happening to your code each time you make an insertion. I tend to do the "pretty" stuff in the gui and use the code editor (which has autocomplete and some other nice stuff) to do the code. In some cases (like constructing querys etc) DW makes it very easy to accomplish and provides CONSISTANT and WORKING code, which is something that beginning web builders have a hard time with. Even if you are set on doing hand code, do it with a coding editor such as Dreamweaver - the color coding, line numbers etc make it much easier to debug I would at ALL COSTS -- stay away from Front Page -- the code that it produces is HORRIBLE. I can agree that you may want autocomplete and color coding, maybe even a gui preview but in that case (on Windows) use Notepadd++, Firefox, and ALT+TAB. If you start in a GUI editor it tends to make you lazy conseqently causes you to create bad sites. Its much more to your advantage to RTFM and not take shortcuts. -Mike -- Michael E. Crute http://mike.crute.org It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes. --Douglas Adams -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
Daniel wrote: dad:x:1001:1001::/home/dad:/usr/lib/misc/sftp-server That way, if his box gets compromised, the intruder doesn't have a shell on your machine, just the ability to delete your dad's website ;-) What's wrong with /bin/false? Then, if it's compromised, all he has is the ability to do nothing, unsuccessfully :) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 18:11:45 -0700, Ryan Tandy wrote: > What's wrong with /bin/false? > Then, if it's compromised, all he has is the ability to do nothing, > unsuccessfully :) That's a security risk! Doing nothing unsuccessfully means doing something. You want him to do nothing successfully :) -- Neil Bothwick Why do kamikaze pilots wear helmets? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
Neil Bothwick wrote: That's a security risk! Doing nothing unsuccessfully means doing something. You want him to do nothing successfully :) ...I'm not sure I follow your logic there. In any case, -ie 's/false/true' and continue? :) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
Gerhard Hoogterp wrote: Maybe winscp is a better idea? It behaves like most windows ftpclients but uses scp to connect to your box with all the ssh goodness for security.. http://winscp.net/eng/index.php Default configuration of SSH on Gentoo will not allow a user to leave their home directory tree. Just a word of advice; be careful. Tom Veldhouse -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
Jim, DON"T let him use Frontpage. I used it once and have had to support a server with it for a class - - it creates junk, hides stuff (in the MS you don't need to know way). Once I inherited a site done in FP to maintain and I moved it to Dreamweaver - very nice. > > From: Etaoin Shrdlu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/06/06 Tue PM 12:53:35 EDT > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server > > On Tuesday 6 June 2006 18:01, JimD wrote: > > > I have ssh. However, How many of the typical winXP tools for website > > editing support sftp? I was just looking at Nvu and the text editing > > in it stinks real bad. I don't know what windows software he will > > always use. He may try FrontPage or Dreamweaver or some other tool. > > A lot of those tools allow publishing to a site with FTP, though I am > > not sure if they support sftp. > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server
This discussion is really off-topic. Please label it as such. The original post was regarding ftp servers. On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim, DON"T let him use Frontpage. I used it once and have had to support a server with it for a class - - it creates junk, hides stuff (in the MS you don't need to know way). Once I inherited a site done in FP to maintain and I moved it to Dreamweaver - very nice. From: Etaoin Shrdlu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2006/06/06 Tue PM 12:53:35 EDT To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server On Tuesday 6 June 2006 18:01, JimD wrote: I have ssh. However, How many of the typical winXP tools for website editing support sftp? I was just looking at Nvu and the text editing in it stinks real bad. I don't know what windows software he will always use. He may try FrontPage or Dreamweaver or some other tool. A lot of those tools allow publishing to a site with FTP, though I am not sure if they support sftp. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] FTP-Server w/ postprocessing command
Hi folks, does anyone known an FTP server, which can execute some command after upload ? thx -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP-Server w/ postprocessing command
On 5/30/06, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: does anyone known an FTP server, which can execute some command after upload ? I know that pure-ftpd has funcitonality like this, though I have never personally used it. Check the man pages for more info about the "--uploadscript" option. HTH, Matt -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FTP Server / ssh and other bruteforce
I don't know if my other posts made it because I think I was using the wrong e-mail to send from. I tend to prefer proftpd because you can lock specific users/ groups out and run it in a chrooted environment easily. BFD (brute force detection) works well for all services, is easy to set up and available at: http://www.r-fx.ca/downloads/bfd-current.tar.gz Also, if it is just him, and he happens to be on static or change i.p. addresses infrequently, you could just block it at the firewall: iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -s --sport 21 -j ACCEPT iptables -I INPUT 2 -p tcp --dport 21 -j DROP Cheers, ~J oh yeah.. down with windows! On Tuesday 06 June 2006 09:03, JimD wrote: > Gerhard Hoogterp wrote: > > On Tuesday 06 June 2006 17:38, JimD wrote: > >> >From my perspective, I don't want an ftp server that will allow someone > >> > >> to get in to my gentoo box by brute forcing a username and password. I > >> guess I can install something like denyhosts if the ftp server uses tcp > >> wrappers. > > > > Maybe winscp is a better idea? It behaves like most windows ftpclients > > but uses scp to connect to your box with all the ssh goodness for > > security.. > > > > http://winscp.net/eng/index.php > > > > Gerhard > > Ohhh, it has a gui too! I think we may have a winner ;-) > > Thanks, > > Jim > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > You roll an 18 in Dex and see if you > don't end up with a girlfriend > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > JimD > Central FL, USA, Earth, Sol -- -- Jason A. Booth PGP public key(85D1F7FC): http://hyperintelligent.net/~jbooth/jbooth_key.asc -- pgp729jYRiu8a.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] ftp server software which supports a control connection?
Hello. I am looking for an FTP server software that let me monitor the ftp activities on my notebook. Both server and the notebook runs Gentoo Linux except the server doesn't have any X11 related stuff. The reason I want to do this is because I offer my users file to download and I often need to monitor what they are doing to make sure they gets connected. This is especially useful when doing support on the phone, I can call my user and instruct him to download file, at the meantime see he logged in and doing the right thing. I used pure-ftpd and pureadmin (a GUI for monitoring pure-ftpd). Pureadmin has every feature I need (see who is logged in, see activities) but it has to be run AFAIK on the same computer that runs ftp server. I used filezilla server which let me control it through a control connection and see activities, but the server software doesn't have a Linux version. I used pro-ftpd and didn't see the option for it's GUI manager to connect to a remote server. What software in Linux world can do this? As I am monitoring ftp through a wireless LAN which max at 300KB/s, running X11-forwarding is not comfortable. running a desktop session on the server and run vnc seems overkill. Thanks for hints in advance! Best regards
Re: [gentoo-user] ftp server software which supports a control connection?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello. I am looking for an FTP server software that let me monitor the > ftp activities of the FTP server on my notebook (ftp server and notebook > are different hosts) After homework on google it seems this feature is called "remote administration". In Linux world only one ftp server I found support this: "CrashFTP Server". Unfortunately the server is not opensource, and doesn't have a powerpc binary release (which my server is). -- Real Softservice Huateng Tower, Unit 1788 Jia 302 3rd area of Jinsong, Chao Yang Tel: +86 (10) 8773 0650 ext 603 Mobile: 159 7382 http://www.realss.com
Re: [gentoo-user] ftp server software which supports a control connection?
On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:45:12 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > As I am monitoring ftp through a wireless LAN which max at 300KB/s, > running X11-forwarding is not comfortable. running a desktop session on > the server and run vnc seems overkill. What's wrong with looking at the server's log file(s) in a standard SSH session? -- Neil Bothwick If you only have a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail. * Maslow signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] ftp server software which supports a control connection?
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:45:12 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> As I am monitoring ftp through a wireless LAN which max at 300KB/s, >> running X11-forwarding is not comfortable. running a desktop session on >> the server and run vnc seems overkill. > > What's wrong with looking at the server's log file(s) in a standard SSH > session? Because that mess up with other user's ftp activities. Also because I don't get the knowledge which folder the user I am watching is in (I could tell this by looking at the log backwards and find his last 'cd' command, but it's more convenient to look it just on the UI). There are other functions that is convenient on the UI but not on the commandline, e.g. number of concurrent connection a user have is directly on the UI on Serv-U but with vsftpd I have to run some smart combination of grep/sed/awk to get this info, and can be difficult to get it in real time. Also consider information you cannot get from reading the log, e.g. find out who is taking the biggest share of download badnwidth right the moment your user complain being too slow.
