Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: kde-apps/ksnapshot

[J. Roeleveld]

On Monday, July 18, 2016 08:59:53 AM Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:59:02 +0100, Mick wrote:
> > > > I beg your pardon - my cognitive bias took over.  It does
> > > > auto-increment if the name of the picture exists, but it appears
> > > > that .png  is the default and only image format spectacle will use
> > > > at present.
> > > 
> > > Not here. I take a screenshot and save it as "test_1.png". Then I take
> > > another and hit Save As, the name defaults to ".png".
> > 
> > Its behaviour is not as one would expect based on previous Kscreenshot
> > experience:
> > 
> > I set up the default file name in Configure Save Options as "Test".
> > 
> > I take a pic, press Ctrl+S and it is saved as "Test.png", second pic
> > will be saved as "Test-1.png", third pic saved as "Test-2.png" and so
> > on.
> 
> Yes, that works, but it always saves it in the same location. With Save
> As it remembers the last location but does not increment the filename.
> This is the behaviour I need, saving sequential screenshots in a
> particular directory, and I suspect Joost's needs are similar.
> 
> Since it does increment the filename with Save, but not with Save As, I
> feel this is a bug rather than a deliberate missing feature, so I'll file
> a report.
> 
> It's still not as useful as KSnapshot's approach of remembering both the
> location and the name, it even showed the name a new screenshot would be
> saved as in the title bar.

Been trying out different options with Spectacle, but I still can't get it to 
do anything sane.

If you managed to file a bug report, can you provide the URL to it?

Thanks,

Joost

PS. sorry for the late reply to this, got stuck with work and still trying to 
catch up...

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: kde-apps/ksnapshot

[Neil Bothwick]

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:59:02 +0100, Mick wrote:

> > > I beg your pardon - my cognitive bias took over.  It does
> > > auto-increment if the name of the picture exists, but it appears
> > > that .png  is the default and only image format spectacle will use
> > > at present.  
> > 
> > Not here. I take a screenshot and save it as "test_1.png". Then I take
> > another and hit Save As, the name defaults to ".png".  
> 
> Its behaviour is not as one would expect based on previous Kscreenshot 
> experience:
> 
> I set up the default file name in Configure Save Options as "Test".
> 
> I take a pic, press Ctrl+S and it is saved as "Test.png", second pic
> will be saved as "Test-1.png", third pic saved as "Test-2.png" and so
> on.

Yes, that works, but it always saves it in the same location. With Save
As it remembers the last location but does not increment the filename.
This is the behaviour I need, saving sequential screenshots in a
particular directory, and I suspect Joost's needs are similar.

Since it does increment the filename with Save, but not with Save As, I
feel this is a bug rather than a deliberate missing feature, so I'll file
a report.

It's still not as useful as KSnapshot's approach of remembering both the
location and the name, it even showed the name a new screenshot would be
saved as in the title bar.


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: kde-apps/ksnapshot

[Mick]

On Monday 18 Jul 2016 01:26:12 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 22:50:26 +0100, Mick wrote:
> > > > If you blank the naming format in the 'Configure Save Options' field
> > > > and give your first screenshot your preferred location/file_name
> > > > (and file extension if different to .png) it should remember this
> > > > for the next screenshot and will auto-increment it by 1.
> > > 
> > > Maybe it should, but it doesn't. It tries to name each file .png.
> > 
> > I beg your pardon - my cognitive bias took over.  It does
> > auto-increment if the name of the picture exists, but it appears
> > that .png  is the default and only image format spectacle will use at
> > present.
> 
> Not here. I take a screenshot and save it as "test_1.png". Then I take
> another and hit Save As, the name defaults to ".png".

Its behaviour is not as one would expect based on previous Kscreenshot 
experience:

I set up the default file name in Configure Save Options as "Test".

I take a pic, press Ctrl+S and it is saved as "Test.png", second pic will be 
saved as "Test-1.png", third pic saved as "Test-2.png" and so on.

If I leave the Configure Save Options name blank, then I have to give it a name 
*with* a file extension or it will complain that the format is not available, 
despite the drop down below the name field showing .png as being selected.

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: kde-apps/ksnapshot

[Philip Webb]

160716 Mick wrote:
> On Saturday 16 Jul 2016 20:06:20 J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> # Johannes Huber  (14 Jul 2016)
>> # No longer released upstream. Use kde-apps/spectacle instead.
>> # Masked for removal in 30 days.
>> kde-apps/ksnapshot
>> I understand ksnapshot can't be maintained for much longer
>> and with kde4 dependencies, it will need more then a little handholding.
>> Does anyone have a decent replacement ?

In my Fluxbox menu, I have :

  [exec] (Screenshot) {import /home/purslow/pix/misc/screenshot.png}

It uses Imagemagick ; you can choose whichever dir+filename you want
& can run the command from CLI, if that helps.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: kde-apps/ksnapshot

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 22:50:26 +0100, Mick wrote:

> > > If you blank the naming format in the 'Configure Save Options' field
> > > and give your first screenshot your preferred location/file_name
> > > (and file extension if different to .png) it should remember this
> > > for the next screenshot and will auto-increment it by 1.  
> > 
> > Maybe it should, but it doesn't. It tries to name each file .png.  
> 
> I beg your pardon - my cognitive bias took over.  It does
> auto-increment if the name of the picture exists, but it appears
> that .png  is the default and only image format spectacle will use at
> present.

Not here. I take a screenshot and save it as "test_1.png". Then I take
another and hit Save As, the name defaults to ".png".


-- 
Neil Bothwick

"Apple I" (c) Copyright 1767, Sir Isaac Newton.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: kde-apps/ksnapshot

[Mick]

On Sunday 17 Jul 2016 22:04:09 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 14:49:23 +0100, Mick wrote:
> > > The name problem is still there. While it will remember the directory,
> > > the name is in the preconfigured format, which has options to use
> > > date and time stamping, but not incremental numbering.
> > 
> > If you blank the naming format in the 'Configure Save Options' field
> > and give your first screenshot your preferred location/file_name (and
> > file extension if different to .png) it should remember this for the
> > next screenshot and will auto-increment it by 1.
> 
> Maybe it should, but it doesn't. It tries to name each file .png.

I beg your pardon - my cognitive bias took over.  It does auto-increment if 
the name of the picture exists, but it appears that .png  is the default and 
only image format spectacle will use at present.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: kde-apps/ksnapshot

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 14:49:23 +0100, Mick wrote:

> > The name problem is still there. While it will remember the directory,
> > the name is in the preconfigured format, which has options to use
> > date and time stamping, but not incremental numbering.  
> 
> If you blank the naming format in the 'Configure Save Options' field
> and give your first screenshot your preferred location/file_name (and
> file extension if different to .png) it should remember this for the
> next screenshot and will auto-increment it by 1.

Maybe it should, but it doesn't. It tries to name each file .png.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

"Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere."
 (Albert Einstein)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: kde-apps/ksnapshot

[Mick]

On Sunday 17 Jul 2016 14:35:16 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> The name problem is still there. While it will remember the directory,
> the name is in the preconfigured format, which has options to use date and
> time stamping, but not incremental numbering.

If you blank the naming format in the 'Configure Save Options' field and give 
your first screenshot your preferred location/file_name (and file extension if 
different to .png) it should remember this for the next screenshot and will 
auto-increment it by 1.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: kde-apps/ksnapshot

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 13:53:30 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:

> > What is it in particular that differs from Ksnapshot's functionality
> > or behaviour?  

I've just tried it again and it's not as bad as it was.
 
> My workflow when taking screenshots:
> - Take a snapshot (rectangle)
> - "Save as", storing it at a specific location with "_1.jpg"
> as the name
> - Change something in an application or going to next screen
> - Take a new snapshot (ksnapshot defaults to exact same rectangle which
> is 99.9% of the time correct)

That's an option in Spectacle now.

> - "Save as", ksnapshot goes to same location and increases the
> numbering automatically.

My workflow when writing tutorials is similar, except I use PNG files.

> Last time I tried spectacle, I had to navigate the file structure for
> every single screenshot. Set it to save as JPEG. And manually retype
> the entire filename.

It remembers the last save location now. No idea about the format as I
only use PNG, but at worst it means changing the extension to jpg (or
batch convert all the screenshots later with convert).

The name problem is still there. While it will remember the directory,
the name is in the preconfigured format, which has options to use date and
time stamping, but not incremental numbering. Rather than use unsupported
software, I'll probably just use a one line script to rename the files
afterwards, at least with date stamping they will be in the right order.

> This is fine if you occasionally want to save a screenshot and have no
> problem wading through all the screenshots in whatever "default"
> location Spectacle wants to dump them into. But not when taking
> screenshots documenting an installation procedure.

The location problem is gone now, only the naming remains as a retrograde
step for me. Plus whatever it is that I remember just after hitting Send.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: kde-apps/ksnapshot

[J. Roeleveld]

On Saturday, July 16, 2016 07:25:15 PM Mick wrote:
> On Saturday 16 Jul 2016 20:06:20 J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > I saw the following go past in the dev-list:
> > 
> > # Johannes Huber  (14 Jul 2016)
> > # No longer released upstream. Use kde-apps/spectacle instead.
> > # Masked for removal in 30 days.
> > kde-apps/ksnapshot
> > 
> > I understand ksnapshot can't be maintained for much longer and with kde4
> > dependencies, it will need more then a little handholding.
> > 
> > Does anyone have a decent replacement as spectacle is, in my opinion, not
> > an equal replacement. More like a massive regression from a ease-of-use
> > perspective.
> > 
> > Many thanks,
> > 
> > Joost
> 
> I am running spectacle-15.12.3 usually in Window, or Rectangle mode and I
> have not come across any usability problems ...
> 
> What is it in particular that differs from Ksnapshot's functionality or
> behaviour?

My workflow when taking screenshots:
- Take a snapshot (rectangle)
- "Save as", storing it at a specific location with "_1.jpg" as the 
name
- Change something in an application or going to next screen
- Take a new snapshot (ksnapshot defaults to exact same rectangle which is 
99.9% of the time correct)
- "Save as", ksnapshot goes to same location and increases the numbering 
automatically.

Last time I tried spectacle, I had to navigate the file structure for every 
single screenshot. Set it to save as JPEG. And manually retype the entire 
filename.

This is fine if you occasionally want to save a screenshot and have no problem 
wading through all the screenshots in whatever "default" location Spectacle 
wants to dump them into. But not when taking screenshots documenting an 
installation procedure.

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: kde-apps/ksnapshot

[Mick]

On Saturday 16 Jul 2016 20:06:20 J. Roeleveld wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I saw the following go past in the dev-list:
> 
> # Johannes Huber  (14 Jul 2016)
> # No longer released upstream. Use kde-apps/spectacle instead.
> # Masked for removal in 30 days.
> kde-apps/ksnapshot
> 
> I understand ksnapshot can't be maintained for much longer and with kde4
> dependencies, it will need more then a little handholding.
> 
> Does anyone have a decent replacement as spectacle is, in my opinion, not an
> equal replacement. More like a massive regression from a ease-of-use
> perspective.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Joost

I am running spectacle-15.12.3 usually in Window, or Rectangle mode and I have 
not come across any usability problems ...

What is it in particular that differs from Ksnapshot's functionality or 
behaviour?

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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[gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: kde-apps/ksnapshot

[J. Roeleveld]

Hi All,

I saw the following go past in the dev-list:

# Johannes Huber  (14 Jul 2016)
# No longer released upstream. Use kde-apps/spectacle instead.
# Masked for removal in 30 days.
kde-apps/ksnapshot

I understand ksnapshot can't be maintained for much longer and with kde4 
dependencies, it will need more then a little handholding.

Does anyone have a decent replacement as spectacle is, in my opinion, not an 
equal replacement. More like a massive regression from a ease-of-use 
perspective.

Many thanks,

Joost