Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
On Tuesday 07 December 2010, Hazen Valliant-Saunders wrote: > 2. Get at least 850W of power (1KW can be had for $169 if you shop around) WTF? NOOO! Buying such an PSU is justz stupid. Exscept if you have a Fermi system - which is stupid in itself. btw, Dale, if you plan to use systemrescuecd for installing gentoo, there are arcane build failures with 'install not found' or 'directory not found'. If you run into that, do an export path= yeah,, nothing else. ...
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Hazen Valliant-Saunders wrote: Some considerations: For your money the 890FX from AMD with an AM3 socket is the way to go right now; 1. The MSI 890 FX GD 70 is the best value for the money on the market 2. Get at least 850W of power (1KW can be had for $169 if you shop around) 3. if speed is your goal, get the Phenom II X6 1090T As for drives and cases, the OCZ Vertex 2 in raid 0 will run blazingly fast. Get 4 drives in raid 5, 2TB can be had for about 80. I've been running 64 bit gentoo for a while yet, some minor issues with flash and a couple of others but those are probably my compile time settings on these applications. I already ordered the stuff now tho. Newegg might get upset if I send some of it back. ;-) I'm hoping amd64 will work as well for me to then. Thanks for the info on flash tho. I read where some had trouble a while back but was hoping it was fixed by now. Now to go subscribe to the amd64 mailing list to. Dale :-) :-)
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Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 05:53:17 -0600, Dale wrote: If knoppix doesn't work, could someone recommend something else to use? System Rescue CD or GRML. I forgot about System Rescue. I'll get it too. After posting, I started downloading Kanotix. It may work too. Now to google and find out what GRML is. lol Thanks. One of these should work. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Some considerations: For your money the 890FX from AMD with an AM3 socket is the way to go right now; 1. The MSI 890 FX GD 70 is the best value for the money on the market 2. Get at least 850W of power (1KW can be had for $169 if you shop around) 3. if speed is your goal, get the Phenom II X6 1090T As for drives and cases, the OCZ Vertex 2 in raid 0 will run blazingly fast. Get 4 drives in raid 5, 2TB can be had for about 80. I've been running 64 bit gentoo for a while yet, some minor issues with flash and a couple of others but those are probably my compile time settings on these applications. On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 6:53 AM, Dale wrote: > Dale wrote: > >> I'm planning to build a new rig. My current rig is about 7 or 8 years old >> now and it needs to be updated. Current rig is AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram >> and a Abit NF7 v2.0 mobo. Couple hard drives too. >> >> >> This is build #2: >> >> I'll be using the same case, power supply, video card etc so I won't list >> them all twice. Just listing the things that have to be changed. >> >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128431 >> >> GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard. The only >> thing I don't like about this is that it doesn't have a com port for my UPS. >> I guess a adapter will be found somewhere. >> >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675 >> >> AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket >> AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor. This should fit the mobo according to the >> website. Agree? >> >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148325 >> >> Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) >> Desktop Memory. According to newegg this fits the mobo. Agree? >> >> I only plan to build one or the other not both. I would like to make sure >> everything should fit fine but I would also like to get a opinion. I would >> like a opinion on whether build #2 would be better in the long run? It >> appears to be a bit faster although the price is not much different. Build >> #1 is $611.92. Build #2 is $637.92. That doesn't include shipping but a >> lot of the items have free shipping anyway. Basically, I need this to last >> me several years since I can't afford to rebuild every few years. Also, one >> reason for the HUGE CPU cooler, I run folding in the winter. Helps heat the >> place up a bit. lol My current rig with a Volcano 12 runs at about 90F at >> full load. I would like to run pretty close to that since it just makes the >> CPU last longer. >> >> I'm open to ideas, discussion, problems and opinions. I mostly want to >> make sure each build will work and which I should build. >> >> Thanks for your time and replies. If you need more info, let me know. >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) >> >> > I ordered the parts for the rest of my build yesterday. I changed the CPU > to a 3.2Ghz version and the memory to a single stick of 4Gb instead of two > 2Gb sticks. Easier to upgrade later. Since I live only a few hours from > the newegg warehouse, I get most of it today. I been reading the install > guide and have been trying to keep up with amd64 threads on here as well. I > still have a few questions tho. > > I usually use Knoppix to boot from but want to know if it supports a 64 bit > CPU? I Googled and found a 64 bit version of Knoppix but it says it is > discontinued. If the current version does support 64 bit, will it see all > the cores so that emerges move along pretty swiftly? > > If knoppix doesn't work, could someone recommend something else to use? I > found Kanotix while doing my searches but still not sure if that is what I > need either. It looks like it is made to install on a hard drive or > something. I basically need to boot to install Gentoo on the new rig. I > also want to test the ram before installing as well. > > All this assumes that I need to install Gentoo with amd64 of course. Has > it got stable enough and everything working well enough to install it as > amd64 instead of 32 bit? > > Thanks. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 05:53:17 -0600, Dale wrote: > If knoppix doesn't work, could someone recommend something else to > use? System Rescue CD or GRML. -- Neil Bothwick In plumbing, a straight flush is better than a full house. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Dale wrote: I'm planning to build a new rig. My current rig is about 7 or 8 years old now and it needs to be updated. Current rig is AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram and a Abit NF7 v2.0 mobo. Couple hard drives too. This is build #2: I'll be using the same case, power supply, video card etc so I won't list them all twice. Just listing the things that have to be changed. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128431 GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard. The only thing I don't like about this is that it doesn't have a com port for my UPS. I guess a adapter will be found somewhere. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675 AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor. This should fit the mobo according to the website. Agree? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148325 Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory. According to newegg this fits the mobo. Agree? I only plan to build one or the other not both. I would like to make sure everything should fit fine but I would also like to get a opinion. I would like a opinion on whether build #2 would be better in the long run? It appears to be a bit faster although the price is not much different. Build #1 is $611.92. Build #2 is $637.92. That doesn't include shipping but a lot of the items have free shipping anyway. Basically, I need this to last me several years since I can't afford to rebuild every few years. Also, one reason for the HUGE CPU cooler, I run folding in the winter. Helps heat the place up a bit. lol My current rig with a Volcano 12 runs at about 90F at full load. I would like to run pretty close to that since it just makes the CPU last longer. I'm open to ideas, discussion, problems and opinions. I mostly want to make sure each build will work and which I should build. Thanks for your time and replies. If you need more info, let me know. Dale :-) :-) I ordered the parts for the rest of my build yesterday. I changed the CPU to a 3.2Ghz version and the memory to a single stick of 4Gb instead of two 2Gb sticks. Easier to upgrade later. Since I live only a few hours from the newegg warehouse, I get most of it today. I been reading the install guide and have been trying to keep up with amd64 threads on here as well. I still have a few questions tho. I usually use Knoppix to boot from but want to know if it supports a 64 bit CPU? I Googled and found a 64 bit version of Knoppix but it says it is discontinued. If the current version does support 64 bit, will it see all the cores so that emerges move along pretty swiftly? If knoppix doesn't work, could someone recommend something else to use? I found Kanotix while doing my searches but still not sure if that is what I need either. It looks like it is made to install on a hard drive or something. I basically need to boot to install Gentoo on the new rig. I also want to test the ram before installing as well. All this assumes that I need to install Gentoo with amd64 of course. Has it got stable enough and everything working well enough to install it as amd64 instead of 32 bit? Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
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Mark Knecht wrote: On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Dale wrote: Zalman's cooler is a good one but the one I listed in a prior thread is cheaper. Performance is similar. This one of course doesn't need a fan and will be silent. I have always been skittish of a cooler with no fan. They just don't sound right for some reason. I guess if I saw one in action, I may feel a little different. I do like the large quiet fans tho. I do like to keep the noise to a minimum. I actually checked Toms hardware for that one too. It is highly rated. I have a ThermalTake Volcano 12+ on my little AMD 2500+. It runs cool tho. I'm running folding and have been for at least a week now and I'm running 87F for the CPU and the fans are ~3700 rpms. Not to bad I guess. I hope for something like that with the new CPU but it may run a little hotter since it has more cores and such. They work fine if you have a lot of case cooling. If case fans die or just shut off for some reason you can lose the processor pretty quickly, but that's not much different than a CPU fan dieing... If you're looking for silence go water cooled. - Mark I agree. Fanless or not, if you lose the case cooling, you got problems real quick. I just want a efficient cooler since I run folding during the winter months. I also know that the cooler they run, the longer they last. I'm not big on water cooling. I like to look at pics where people do use water cooling but I just don't want water around my puter. I don't even put my glass close to my rig. It's not even close to my keyboard or my desk either. Weird ain't I? Dale :-) :-)
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On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Dale wrote: >> Zalman's cooler is a good one but the one I listed in a prior thread is >> cheaper. Performance is similar. This one of course doesn't need a fan >> and will be silent. >> >> > > I have always been skittish of a cooler with no fan. They just don't sound > right for some reason. I guess if I saw one in action, I may feel a little > different. I do like the large quiet fans tho. I do like to keep the noise > to a minimum. I actually checked Toms hardware for that one too. It is > highly rated. I have a ThermalTake Volcano 12+ on my little AMD 2500+. It > runs cool tho. I'm running folding and have been for at least a week now > and I'm running 87F for the CPU and the fans are ~3700 rpms. Not to bad I > guess. I hope for something like that with the new CPU but it may run a > little hotter since it has more cores and such. They work fine if you have a lot of case cooling. If case fans die or just shut off for some reason you can lose the processor pretty quickly, but that's not much different than a CPU fan dieing... If you're looking for silence go water cooled. - Mark
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masterprometheus wrote: Dale wrote: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153116 Thermaltake TR2 TRX-650M 650W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V Power supply. I like this brand and would like to stay with this but if the price is right, I could be tempted to change my mind. My biggest question on this, can this handle this mobo, CPU, video card and 3 to 4 drives including a DVD burner? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103644 I saw that you already bought it. It's a below average product. Should still work fine for this system. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371021 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151095 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207007 All of these are superior products with great prices. If one can get the rebate the last one is a steal. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118056 ZALMAN CNPS10X FLEX CPU Cooler. This thing got good reviews and it is not priced to high. According to the searches I have done this will fit the mobo/CPU and should fit in the case. Any disagreements on this? Zalman's cooler is a good one but the one I listed in a prior thread is cheaper. Performance is similar. This one of course doesn't need a fan and will be silent. I have always been skittish of a cooler with no fan. They just don't sound right for some reason. I guess if I saw one in action, I may feel a little different. I do like the large quiet fans tho. I do like to keep the noise to a minimum. I actually checked Toms hardware for that one too. It is highly rated. I have a ThermalTake Volcano 12+ on my little AMD 2500+. It runs cool tho. I'm running folding and have been for at least a week now and I'm running 87F for the CPU and the fans are ~3700 rpms. Not to bad I guess. I hope for something like that with the new CPU but it may run a little hotter since it has more cores and such. Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory. According to newegg this fits the mobo. Agree? Yes a good one. If you don't need the fastest you can get a cheaper kit : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144478 However no objection to Crucial. One reason I picked it is that it is 4Gb in one stick. I plan to max it out over the next year and then put portage's compile directory on a tmpfs in memory, or something to that effect. I read a while back that it speeds up the compile a good bit. Of course, that SATA drive will help to in the meantime. I only plan to build one or the other not both. I would like to make sure everything should fit fine but I would also like to get a opinion. I would like a opinion on whether build #2 would be better in the long run? It appears to be a bit faster although the price is not much different. Build #1 is $611.92. Build #2 is $637.92. That doesn't include shipping but a lot of the items have free shipping anyway. Basically, I need this to last me several years since I can't afford to rebuild every few years. Also, one reason for the HUGE CPU cooler, I run folding in the winter. Helps heat the place up a bit. lol My current rig with a Volcano 12 runs at about 90F at full load. I would like to run pretty close to that since it just makes the CPU last longer. I'm open to ideas, discussion, problems and opinions. I mostly want to make sure each build will work and which I should build. Thanks for your time and replies. If you need more info, let me know. The rest is good to great but that PSU is Yea, the ones you listed above are good ones. I just start out with what I have used before that worked well and go from there. I only recall one P/S going bad on me tho. I blew the dust out and didn't know that a rubber band came off and got hung in the fan. I found out a few minutes later tho. It sort of had a bad smell. :-( I hope to post some pics somewhere when I get it done. Going to test my cable management skills a little bit. lol Dale :-) :-)
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Dale wrote: > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153116 > > Thermaltake TR2 TRX-650M 650W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V Power supply. I > like this brand and would like to stay with this but if the price is > right, I could be tempted to change my mind. My biggest question on > this, can this handle this mobo, CPU, video card and 3 to 4 drives > including a DVD burner? > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103644 I saw that you already bought it. It's a below average product. Should still work fine for this system. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371021 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151095 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207007 All of these are superior products with great prices. If one can get the rebate the last one is a steal. > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118056 > > ZALMAN CNPS10X FLEX CPU Cooler. This thing got good reviews and it is > not priced to high. According to the searches I have done this will fit > the mobo/CPU and should fit in the case. Any disagreements on this? Zalman's cooler is a good one but the one I listed in a prior thread is cheaper. Performance is similar. This one of course doesn't need a fan and will be silent. > Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) > Desktop Memory. According to newegg this fits the mobo. Agree? Yes a good one. If you don't need the fastest you can get a cheaper kit : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144478 However no objection to Crucial. > I only plan to build one or the other not both. I would like to make > sure everything should fit fine but I would also like to get a opinion. > I would like a opinion on whether build #2 would be better in the long > run? It appears to be a bit faster although the price is not much > different. Build #1 is $611.92. Build #2 is $637.92. That doesn't > include shipping but a lot of the items have free shipping anyway. > Basically, I need this to last me several years since I can't afford to > rebuild every few years. Also, one reason for the HUGE CPU cooler, I > run folding in the winter. Helps heat the place up a bit. lol My > current rig with a Volcano 12 runs at about 90F at full load. I would > like to run pretty close to that since it just makes the CPU last longer. > > I'm open to ideas, discussion, problems and opinions. I mostly want to > make sure each build will work and which I should build. > > Thanks for your time and replies. If you need more info, let me know. The rest is good to great but that PSU is
[gentoo-user] Re: Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Dale wrote: I'm planning to build a new rig. My current rig is about 7 or 8 years old now and it needs to be updated. Current rig is AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram and a Abit NF7 v2.0 mobo. Couple hard drives too. <> Dale :-) :-) Little update. I caught the case and power supply on sale, not at newegg tho. I went ahead and ordered those two today. The power supply, it's a power supply. It's nice tho as far as looks go. I like the way the cables hook up tho. The case, that thing is HUGE and I do mean HUGE. Thanks goodness it comes with wheels. I can barely carry the thing with it empty, I can't imagine when all the goodies get in there. It also has very large fans. I can't wait to see them run since according to the reviews, you can't hear them run. Anybody think the other things will go on sale between now and Christmas or after the New Year or think prices will stay about the same? I figure it is like the price of gas, just all over the place and no one can predict anything. lol Thanks for all the replies and help. Dale :-) :-)
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Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Sunday 28 November 2010, Dale wrote: Dale wrote: GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard. The only thing I don't like about this is that it doesn't have a com port for my UPS. I guess a adapter will be found somewhere. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675 I was diggin around for some more info on this mobo. I found this on the website: Due to different Linux support condition provided by chipset vendors, please download Linux driver from chipset vendors' website or 3rd party website. This chipset is supported right? From what I found, it uses the standard SATA drivers but want to make sure. Searching with google returns some old problems but I couldn't find anything recent. Is it working fine now? and with problems you mean hangs and timeouts with ncq enabled, ncq not enabled and usb problems, right? those problems are all solved. Just don't use an acient kernel. Thanks for the info. Helps put my mind at ease. Dale :-) :-)
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On Sunday 28 November 2010, Dale wrote: > Dale wrote: > > GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard. The > > only thing I don't like about this is that it doesn't have a com port > > for my UPS. I guess a adapter will be found somewhere. > > > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675 > > I was diggin around for some more info on this mobo. I found this on > the website: > > Due to different Linux support condition provided by chipset vendors, > please download Linux driver from chipset vendors' website or 3rd party > website. > > This chipset is supported right? From what I found, it uses the > standard SATA drivers but want to make sure. Searching with google > returns some old problems but I couldn't find anything recent. Is it > working fine now? and with problems you mean hangs and timeouts with ncq enabled, ncq not enabled and usb problems, right? those problems are all solved. Just don't use an acient kernel.
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Teemu Vartiainen wrote: 2010/11/28 Dale: Dale wrote: GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard. The only thing I don't like about this is that it doesn't have a com port for my UPS. I guess a adapter will be found somewhere. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675 I was diggin around for some more info on this mobo. I found this on the website: Due to different Linux support condition provided by chipset vendors, please download Linux driver from chipset vendors' website or 3rd party website. This chipset is supported right? From what I found, it uses the standard SATA drivers but want to make sure. Searching with google returns some old problems but I couldn't find anything recent. Is it working fine now? Thoughts? Dale :-) :-) I'm not sure about that older chipset (770) but i have MSI 890GXM-G65 mobo and that works fine. Vartsu I found some people with problems when I was googling around but most were older posts. I sort of figure things got fixed and that is why I was not finding anything recent. I would really not want to buy this stuff and then find out the chipset wasn't supported for some reason or other. I would assume then that the 770 is fine since the one you have is newer and works fine. Thanks for the info. Dale :-) :-)
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2010/11/28 Dale : > Dale wrote: > > GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard. The only > thing I don't like about this is that it doesn't have a com port for my > UPS. I guess a adapter will be found somewhere. > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675 > > > I was diggin around for some more info on this mobo. I found this on the > website: > > Due to different Linux support condition provided by chipset vendors, please > download Linux driver from chipset vendors' website or 3rd party website. > > This chipset is supported right? From what I found, it uses the standard > SATA drivers but want to make sure. Searching with google returns some old > problems but I couldn't find anything recent. Is it working fine now? > > Thoughts? > > Dale > > :-) :-) > I'm not sure about that older chipset (770) but i have MSI 890GXM-G65 mobo and that works fine. Vartsu
[gentoo-user] Re: Somewhat OT. Building a rig. Want to get opinions before spending $$$
Dale wrote: GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard. The only thing I don't like about this is that it doesn't have a com port for my UPS. I guess a adapter will be found somewhere. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675 I was diggin around for some more info on this mobo. I found this on the website: Due to different Linux support condition provided by chipset vendors, please download Linux driver from chipset vendors' website or 3rd party website. This chipset is supported right? From what I found, it uses the standard SATA drivers but want to make sure. Searching with google returns some old problems but I couldn't find anything recent. Is it working fine now? Thoughts? Dale :-) :-)
