Re: [gentoo-user] Which Java Runtime is best?
On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 10:24:57AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote - which one gives the least trouble setting up and running? Thanks for your input everybody. According to /proc/cpuinfo, I'm running an AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+, but it's in 32-bit mode. I'll go with Sun Java. -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stop the Squeegee Kids in Pinstripe Suits Fight Canadian internet taxes http://walterdnes.wordpress.com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which Java Runtime is best?
On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 10:24:57AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote I only need a runtime. I don't know the programming language, so there's no need for a full-blown development environment. OK, so I *WAS* going to try the Sun JRE. It seems that there's no such animal. You have to download the fullblown developer's kit... [m3000][root][~] emerge -pv virtual/jre These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N] dev-java/java-config-wrapper-0.15 7 kB [ebuild N] dev-java/java-config-2.1.6 40 kB [ebuild N] dev-java/java-config-1.3.7 15 kB [ebuild N] dev-java/sun-jdk-1.6.0.05 USE=X alsa nsplugin -doc -examples -jce -odbc 68,885 kB [ebuild N] virtual/jdk-1.6.0 0 kB [ebuild N] virtual/jre-1.6.0 0 kB [m3000][root][~] emerge -pv virtual/jdk These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N] dev-java/java-config-wrapper-0.15 7 kB [ebuild N] dev-java/java-config-2.1.6 40 kB [ebuild N] dev-java/java-config-1.3.7 15 kB [ebuild N] dev-java/sun-jdk-1.6.0.05 USE=X alsa nsplugin -doc -examples -jce -odbc 68,885 kB [ebuild N] virtual/jdk-1.6.0 0 kB I had always wondered why Sun's Java could be shoehorned into memory- starved cellphones, but required a full gigbyte of diskspace on a PC, merely to view a Java applet on a webpage. Now I know. Next thing I looked at was Blackdown... [m3000][root][~] emerge -pv blackdown-jre These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N] dev-java/java-config-wrapper-0.15 7 kB [ebuild N] net-libs/libnet-1.1.2.1-r1 USE=-doc 998 kB [ebuild N] dev-java/java-config-2.1.6 40 kB [ebuild N] dev-java/java-config-1.3.7 15 kB [ebuild N] dev-java/blackdown-jre-1.4.2.03-r14 USE=X alsa (-nsplugin) -odbc 13,225 kB [m3000][root][~] emerge -pv blackdown-jdk These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N] dev-java/java-config-wrapper-0.15 7 kB [ebuild N] dev-java/java-config-2.1.6 40 kB [ebuild N] dev-java/java-config-1.3.7 15 kB [ebuild N] dev-java/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03-r15 USE=-doc (-nsplugin) 33,571 kB The jdk is significantly smaller, and the jre even moreso. However, the (-nsplugin) scares me. Does that mean it doesn't have the ability to view Java applets in Firefox via plugins??? What's the point? Even with a desktop PC, a gigabyte here and a gigabyte there, and pretty soon you're talking real significant diskspace. I plan on getting an ASUS EEE 900 soon. And on that thing, a gigabyte to view webpage applets is a very bad idea. -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stop the Squeegee Kids in Pinstripe Suits Fight Canadian internet taxes http://walterdnes.wordpress.com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which Java Runtime is best?
Walter Dnes wrote: On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 10:24:57AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote I only need a runtime. I don't know the programming language, so there's no need for a full-blown development environment. OK, so I *WAS* going to try the Sun JRE. It seems that there's no such animal. You have to download the fullblown developer's kit... SNIP! [m3000][root][~] emerge -pv blackdown-jre These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N] dev-java/java-config-wrapper-0.15 7 kB [ebuild N] net-libs/libnet-1.1.2.1-r1 USE=-doc 998 kB [ebuild N] dev-java/java-config-2.1.6 40 kB [ebuild N] dev-java/java-config-1.3.7 15 kB [ebuild N] dev-java/blackdown-jre-1.4.2.03-r14 USE=X alsa (-nsplugin) -odbc 13,225 kB [m3000][root][~] emerge -pv blackdown-jdk These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N] dev-java/java-config-wrapper-0.15 7 kB [ebuild N] dev-java/java-config-2.1.6 40 kB [ebuild N] dev-java/java-config-1.3.7 15 kB [ebuild N] dev-java/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03-r15 USE=-doc (-nsplugin) 33,571 kB The jdk is significantly smaller, and the jre even moreso. However, the (-nsplugin) scares me. Does that mean it doesn't have the ability to view Java applets in Firefox via plugins??? What's the point? Even with a desktop PC, a gigabyte here and a gigabyte there, and pretty soon you're talking real significant diskspace. I plan on getting an ASUS EEE 900 soon. And on that thing, a gigabyte to view webpage applets is a very bad idea. Even the Sun JDK is not more than 100MB, I don't see the big deal. As for the plugin, IIRC the Blackdown JRE/JDK have an unpatched security issue with the browser plugin, which is why the plugin is turned off. You may have better luck getting more in-depth answers on the gentoo-java mail list. Aaron -- The goblins are in charge of maintenance? Why not just set it on fire now and call it a day? --Whip Tongue, Viashino Technician -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which Java Runtime is best?
On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:37:28 +0200 Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:24:57 -0400 Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen an interesting site using Java for a long while. I recently stumbled across http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/ and decided it would be nice to actually view it. I haven't had Java on my machines for a long while. There are a few Java implementations available (Sun/Blackdown/IBM/BEA/Kaffe/others?), so my question is... - which one gives the least trouble setting up and running? Since I'm only going to be using it a few times a month, I'm not too worried about benchmarks, unless an implementation is excruciatingly slow. I only need a runtime. I don't know the programming language, so there's no need for a full-blown development environment. Take Sun JRE. In terms of headaches per month, the quasi standard implementation is unbeatable. Unless you have a 64 arch -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which Java Runtime is best?
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:12:51 +0300 ionut cucu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:37:28 +0200 Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:24:57 -0400 Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take Sun JRE. In terms of headaches per month, the quasi standard implementation is unbeatable. Unless you have a 64 arch I'm on AMD64 and am programming java, too. Until now I haven't had a problem with SUN JDK (1.6). Of course, it doesn't supply a browser plugin, but I'm not aware of any JRE doing it at the moment and thanks to nspluginwrapper, there is no urgent need for it, either. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Which Java Runtime is best?
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:24:10 +0200 Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:12:51 +0300 ionut cucu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:37:28 +0200 Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:24:57 -0400 Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take Sun JRE. In terms of headaches per month, the quasi standard implementation is unbeatable. Unless you have a 64 arch I'm on AMD64 and am programming java, too. Until now I haven't had a problem with SUN JDK (1.6). Of course, it doesn't supply a browser plugin, but I'm not aware of any JRE doing it at the moment and thanks to nspluginwrapper, there is no urgent need for it, either. I have to correct myself. As it seems, GNU-Classpath provides an nsplugin. I haven't tested it yet (and I won't because I need emul-linux-x86-java anyway and the current way works for me). signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Which Java Runtime is best?
I haven't seen an interesting site using Java for a long while. I recently stumbled across http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/ and decided it would be nice to actually view it. I haven't had Java on my machines for a long while. There are a few Java implementations available (Sun/Blackdown/IBM/BEA/Kaffe/others?), so my question is... - which one gives the least trouble setting up and running? Since I'm only going to be using it a few times a month, I'm not too worried about benchmarks, unless an implementation is excruciatingly slow. I only need a runtime. I don't know the programming language, so there's no need for a full-blown development environment. -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which Java Runtime is best?
On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:24:57 -0400 Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen an interesting site using Java for a long while. I recently stumbled across http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/ and decided it would be nice to actually view it. I haven't had Java on my machines for a long while. There are a few Java implementations available (Sun/Blackdown/IBM/BEA/Kaffe/others?), so my question is... - which one gives the least trouble setting up and running? Since I'm only going to be using it a few times a month, I'm not too worried about benchmarks, unless an implementation is excruciatingly slow. I only need a runtime. I don't know the programming language, so there's no need for a full-blown development environment. Take Sun JRE. In terms of headaches per month, the quasi standard implementation is unbeatable. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
