Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
On Saturday 27 January 2007 09:58, Jan Stępień wrote: > Is it possible to enable some kind of a chooser which would allow me > to choose whether I'd like to launch Xgl or Xorg? While working on my > /usr/share/gdm/default.conf I've spotted a server called 'chooser'. > Could you tell me what is this server doing and could it be a > solution for my problem? I use a workaround to accomplish something similar. You'll have to adapt it as I use startx not a display manager. I have two ServerLayout sections in xorg.conf (RADEON and FGLRX), and xinit takes a -layout argument to choose between them. Like this: startx -- -layout RADEON The -- is required so that startx won't try and process the following arguments, but rather pass them through to xinit. alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
You may choose to start X or Xgl generic way using startx or startxgl scripts. Out there are some. m -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
Albert Hopkins napisał(a): > Then you probably don't want to use GDM or any other DM as they are > primarily designed to "manage" displays that are already selected. What > you want is more of a chicken-and-egg issue for a display manager. > > What you likely need is something to be run from the command line (i.e. > *before* X is started). startx (or xinit) are perfect for this. No > need to write any fancy program, it can pretty much do what you're > asking: > > $ startx /path/to/program/that/needs/X.org -- /usr/bin/X > $ startx -- /usr/bin/Xgl Thanks, now it works flawlessly. I can easily launch a slick desktop with Xgl and Beryl, and if I require direct rendering I simply log out and launch Xorg. Now I'll try to find a clever solution and make this method a little bit more automatic. We'll see what I'll be able to find around the web. Thanks once again. Regards, Jan Stępień -- Mailjan at stepien com pl Jabber jano at jabber aster pl GG 1894343 Web http://stepien.com.pl signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
Hi Jan, on Saturday, 2007-01-27 at 15:06:32, you wrote: > I've begun this thread because of my difficulties with running some > OpenGL applications, e.g. Americas Army, on my Xgl. I reckon most in America's army would love to have your problems. SCNR! =^> Matthias -- I prefer encrypted and signed messages. KeyID: FAC37665 Fingerprint: 8C16 3F0A A6FC DF0D 19B0 8DEF 48D9 1700 FAC3 7665 pgpPWJochKN5M.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
Albert Hopkins napisał(a): > $ startx /path/to/program/that/needs/X.org -- /usr/bin/X > $ startx -- /usr/bin/Xgl > > or whatever. There's probably a dozen other ways to do it. See the > startx man page for details. Thanks, I'll take a look at the manual and give it a shot. Regards, Jan -- Mailjan at stepien com pl Jabber jano at jabber aster pl GG 1894343 Web http://stepien.com.pl signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
On Sat, 2007-01-27 at 15:06 +0100, Jan Stępień wrote: [...] > I've begun this thread because of my difficulties with running some > OpenGL applications, e.g. Americas Army, on my Xgl. If you'd like to > read any details you can take a look at first posts of this topic. Then you probably don't want to use GDM or any other DM as they are primarily designed to "manage" displays that are already selected. What you want is more of a chicken-and-egg issue for a display manager. What you likely need is something to be run from the command line (i.e. *before* X is started). startx (or xinit) are perfect for this. No need to write any fancy program, it can pretty much do what you're asking: $ startx /path/to/program/that/needs/X.org -- /usr/bin/X $ startx -- /usr/bin/Xgl or whatever. There's probably a dozen other ways to do it. See the startx man page for details. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
Albert Hopkins napisał(a): > A "chooser" in the GDM/XDMCP sense is a program that lists available > hosts to log into (via XDMCP). Thanks. It may be useful some day. > Why should you need to write anything. Forget GDM and if you want to > run X then type "X [ENTER]". If you want Xgl then "Xgl [ENTER]". But > again, why would you want to complicate your life with 2 different X > servers? I've begun this thread because of my difficulties with running some OpenGL applications, e.g. Americas Army, on my Xgl. If you'd like to read any details you can take a look at first posts of this topic. Regards, Jan Stępień -- Mailjan at stepien com pl Jabber jano at jabber aster pl GG 1894343 Web http://stepien.com.pl signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
On Sat, 2007-01-27 at 08:58 +0100, Jan Stępień wrote: [...] > Is it possible to enable some kind of a chooser which would allow me to > choose whether I'd like to launch Xgl or Xorg? While working on my > /usr/share/gdm/default.conf I've spotted a server called 'chooser'. > Could you tell me what is this server doing and could it be a solution > for my problem? > A "chooser" in the GDM/XDMCP sense is a program that lists available hosts to log into (via XDMCP). I'm not aware of any program that will allow you to choose between X servers any more than I'm aware of a program that will allow you to pick MTAs. The simplest solution is to just pick one. Why would you want to bounce back and forth between X servers? > Of course the choice doesn't have to be done in GDM. It could be a tiny > bash script or a simple C++ application run in the default runlevel > which would ask me for pressing a specific key to run Xorg - otherwise > it will run Xgl - for example changing the line "0=Standard" in the file > I've mentioned above. Have you got ideas or do I have to write such an > app by myself? > > Regards, > Jan Stępień > Why should you need to write anything. Forget GDM and if you want to run X then type "X [ENTER]". If you want Xgl then "Xgl [ENTER]". But again, why would you want to complicate your life with 2 different X servers? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
As far as I can see there is no chance neither to get my Radeon to cooperate with open source driver nor to turn on AIGLX with my fglrx, at least at the moment of writing. It's a pity, but allow me then to return to the secondary topic of this thread. Is it possible to enable some kind of a chooser which would allow me to choose whether I'd like to launch Xgl or Xorg? While working on my /usr/share/gdm/default.conf I've spotted a server called 'chooser'. Could you tell me what is this server doing and could it be a solution for my problem? Of course the choice doesn't have to be done in GDM. It could be a tiny bash script or a simple C++ application run in the default runlevel which would ask me for pressing a specific key to run Xorg - otherwise it will run Xgl - for example changing the line "0=Standard" in the file I've mentioned above. Have you got ideas or do I have to write such an app by myself? Regards, Jan Stępień -- Mailjan at stepien com pl Jabber jano at jabber aster pl GG 1894343 Web http://stepien.com.pl signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
Iain Buchanan napisał(a): > On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 21:47 +0100, Jan Stępień wrote: > > try these exact searches in google (include the site.. bit) > > INPUT_DEVICES VIDEO_CARDS site:http://www.gentoo.org > and > INPUT_DEVICES VIDEO_CARDS site:http://www.gentoo-wiki.org I visited gentoo.org and skimmed the documentation. What I've read doesn't make me cheerful at all. Quoting from http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ati-faq.xml : GPU Common Name Support R300,R400,R500 Radeon 9500 - x800 xorg 2D, ATI DRI If I understand it correctly, this means that if I want a 3D acceleration I've got to use closed ATI's fglrx, and if I'd like to have an open driver from Xorg I am forced to accept 2D only. So no fglrx is no 3D at all. Please tell me that I'm mistaken. Regards, Jan -- Mailjan at stepien com pl Jabber jano at jabber aster pl GG 1894343 Web http://stepien.com.pl signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 21:47 +0100, Jan Stępień wrote: > Mick napisał(a): > > Did you try remerging xorg with the radeon VIDEO_DEVICE flag after you > > removed > > the fglrx module? > > Actually I haven't heard about this flag. I've just googled for it but > without any reasonably results. Could you tell me more about it or send > me a link to a proper website which could enlighten me? try these exact searches in google (include the site.. bit) INPUT_DEVICES VIDEO_CARDS site:http://www.gentoo.org and INPUT_DEVICES VIDEO_CARDS site:http://www.gentoo-wiki.org cya, -- Iain Buchanan Of what you see in books, believe 75%. Of newspapers, believe 50%. And of TV news, believe 25% -- make that 5% if the anchorman wears a blazer. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
On 1/22/07, Jan Stępień <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [drm:drm_unlock] *ERROR* Process 5256 using kernel context 0 Hmm, looks like kernel DRM is still having some issues. Try changing your xorg.conf back to Driver "radeon", comment out the "Option" lines, and then do a full reboot. You might want to "rc-update -d xdm" before this so that you boot into a console, and can then try things with a plain old "startx". HTH, -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. napisał(a): > You other mail had this in the attachment: >> Section "Device" >> Identifier "aticonfig-Device[0]" >> # Driver "radeon" >> Driver "fglrx" >> Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no" >> Option "VideoOverlay" "on" >> Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off" >> # Option "DRI" "on" >> EndSection > which indicates that you are attempting to use the fglrx x11-driver, and > not the radeon x11-driver. > > If you use the CONFIG_RADEON_DRM kernel module, you also need to use > the "ati" or "radeon" x11 driver. If your use the fglrx out-of-tree, > esclavitud kernel module (at least I think there's a kernel module by this > name) you'll alsa need to use the "fglrx" x11 driver. > > You seem to be running into a simple misconfiguration at this point. > I'm sorry, I've forgotten to modify this line while attaching xorg.conf. When I was trying to launch Xorg with radeon driver I obviously commented out the "fglrx" driver and uncommented "radeon" driver's line - inversely to what I have actually attached. So it should be: > Driver "radeon" > # Driver "fglrx" And to make it even more precise - while entering default init level fglrx is NOT loaded and radeon is loaded. Regards, Jan -- Mailjan at stepien com pl Jabber jano at jabber aster pl GG 1894343 Web http://stepien.com.pl signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
On Monday 22 January 2007 14:59, Jan Stępień <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'': > I've enabled an option in my kernel called > CONFIG_DRM_RADEON and compiled it as a loadable module. Then I've added > it to list in /etc/modules.autoload/2.6 (or at least something which > sounds similar to that one) IIRC, this is the kernel module required for DRI with the in-tree, libre drivers for ATI hardware. The matching x11-driver is "ati" or "radeon". > commenting out the fglrx module to assure > myself that "radeon" is going to be loaded at each boot up and "fglrx" > will not be loaded". /etc/X11/xorg.conf has been modified - "fglrx" has > been replaced with "radeon". That's all. Check xorg.conf I've posted in > the other mail for details. You other mail had this in the attachment: > Section "Device" > Identifier "aticonfig-Device[0]" > # Driver "radeon" > Driver "fglrx" > Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no" > Option "VideoOverlay" "on" > Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off" > # Option "DRI" "on" > EndSection which indicates that you are attempting to use the fglrx x11-driver, and not the radeon x11-driver. If you use the CONFIG_RADEON_DRM kernel module, you also need to use the "ati" or "radeon" x11 driver. If your use the fglrx out-of-tree, esclavitud kernel module (at least I think there's a kernel module by this name) you'll alsa need to use the "fglrx" x11 driver. You seem to be running into a simple misconfiguration at this point. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpQCSJZ8RRJp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
Richard Fish napisał(a): > On 1/22/07, Jan Stępień <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> In fact the radeon module conflicts with fglrx. I've unloaded fglrx, >> modprobed radeon (verified by lsmod) and relaunched gdm. But it's still >> refusing to use the new module: >> >> (EE) Failed to load module "radeon" (module does not exist, 0) >> >> Actually it does exist, it is loaded and besides listed in xorg.conf to >> be bound to my Radeon 9600XT. I'm can't get it. Any suggestions? > > Hmm, can you post your current xorg.conf and dmesg outputs? > > -Richard > Of course. Output of dmesg and xorg.conf attached. Regards, Jan -- Mailjan at stepien com pl Jabber jano at jabber aster pl GG 1894343 Web http://stepien.com.pl Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Simple Layout" Screen 0 "aticonfig-Screen[0]" 0 0 InputDevice"Mouse1" "CorePointer" InputDevice"Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard" # Option "AIGLX" "true" EndSection Section "Files" #FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/TTF/" #FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/OTF" #FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/CID/" #FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/local/" #FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" #FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" #FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" #FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/" #FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" #FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/" #FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/freefont/" #FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" #FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/" EndSection Section "Module" Load"type1" Load"speedo" Load "dbe" # Double buffer extension SubSection "extmod" Option "omit xfree86-dga" # don't initialise the DGA extension EndSubSection Load "freetype" Load "xtt" Load "dri" Load "glx" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard1" Driver "kbd" Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30" Option "XkbRules" "xorg" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "pl" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse1" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2" # Explorer PS/2 Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "aticonfig-Monitor[0]" Option "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver" Option "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor" Option "DPMS" "true" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "aticonfig-Device[0]" # Driver "radeon" Driver "fglrx" Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no" Option "VideoOverlay" "on" Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off" # Option "DRI" "on" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]" Device "aticonfig-Device[0]" Monitor"aticonfig-Monitor[0]" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes"1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection EndSection Section "dri" Mode 0666 EndSection #Section "Extensions" # Option "Composite" "Enable" #EndSection Linux version 2.6.19-gentoo-r4 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 4.1.1 (Gentoo 4.1.1-r3)) #1 Sun Jan 21 23:34:32 CET 2007 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: - 0009fc00 (usable) BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 - 000a (reserved) BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0010 - 3fffc000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 3fffc000 - 3000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 3000 - 4000 (ACPI NVS) BIOS-e820: fec0 - fec01000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: fee0 - fee01000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: - 0001 (reserved) Warning only 896MB will be used. Use a HIGHMEM enabled kernel. 896MB LOWMEM available. Entering add_active_range(0, 0, 229376) 0 entries of 256 used Zone PFN ranges: DMA 0 -> 4096 Normal 4096 -> 229376 early_node_map[1] active PFN ranges 0:0 -> 229376 On node 0 totalpages: 229376 DMA zone: 32 pages used for memmap DMA zone: 0 pages reserved DMA zone: 4064 pages, LIFO batch:0 Normal zone: 1760 pages used for memmap Normal zone: 223520 pages, LIFO batch:31 DMI 2.3 present. ACPI: RSDP (v000 ASUS ) @ 0x000f5e20 ACPI: RSDT (v001 ASUS A7V8X-X 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x3fffc000 ACPI: FADT (v001 ASUS A7V8X-X
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
Mick napisał(a): > On Monday 22 January 2007 17:29, Jan Stępień wrote: > >> In fact the radeon module conflicts with fglrx. I've unloaded fglrx, >> modprobed radeon (verified by lsmod) and relaunched gdm. But it's still >> refusing to use the new module: >> >> (EE) Failed to load module "radeon" (module does not exist, 0) >> >> Actually it does exist, it is loaded and besides listed in xorg.conf to >> be bound to my Radeon 9600XT. I'm can't get it. Any suggestions? > > Did you try remerging xorg with the radeon VIDEO_DEVICE flag after you > removed > the fglrx module? Actually I haven't heard about this flag. I've just googled for it but without any reasonably results. Could you tell me more about it or send me a link to a proper website which could enlighten me? Thanks in advance, Jan -- Mailjan at stepien com pl Jabber jano at jabber aster pl GG 1894343 Web http://stepien.com.pl signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
On Monday 22 January 2007 11:29, Jan Stępień <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'': > In fact the radeon module conflicts with fglrx. I've unloaded fglrx, > modprobed radeon (verified by lsmod) and relaunched gdm. But it's still > refusing to use the new module: > > (EE) Failed to load module "radeon" (module does not exist, 0) > > Actually it does exist, it is loaded and besides listed in xorg.conf to > be bound to my Radeon 9600XT. I'm can't get it. Any suggestions? Okay, this might not, be helpful but I just want to do a sanity check here: 1. Check your xorg.log and make sure you are using the xorg.conf you think you are. 2. Make sure the required kernel module is in place. It can be loaded by modprobe and that action confirmed by lsmod. It will be somewhere under /lib/modules (sounds like you've already done this). 3. Make sure you aren't confusing a kernel module/driver with a X11 driver. Generally the later depends on the former, but they are provided by different packages and located differently on the filesystem -- and generally kernel modules are not listed by name in xorg.conf. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpAQaLK0ue72.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
On Monday 22 January 2007 17:29, Jan Stępień wrote: > In fact the radeon module conflicts with fglrx. I've unloaded fglrx, > modprobed radeon (verified by lsmod) and relaunched gdm. But it's still > refusing to use the new module: > > (EE) Failed to load module "radeon" (module does not exist, 0) > > Actually it does exist, it is loaded and besides listed in xorg.conf to > be bound to my Radeon 9600XT. I'm can't get it. Any suggestions? Did you try remerging xorg with the radeon VIDEO_DEVICE flag after you removed the fglrx module? -- Regards, Mick pgpJ8vzjSeqxM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
On 1/22/07, Jan Stępień <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In fact the radeon module conflicts with fglrx. I've unloaded fglrx, modprobed radeon (verified by lsmod) and relaunched gdm. But it's still refusing to use the new module: (EE) Failed to load module "radeon" (module does not exist, 0) Actually it does exist, it is loaded and besides listed in xorg.conf to be bound to my Radeon 9600XT. I'm can't get it. Any suggestions? Hmm, can you post your current xorg.conf and dmesg outputs? -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
Richard Fish napisał(a): On 1/20/07, Jan Stępień <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (/lib/modules/2.6.18-gentoo-r4/kernel/drivers/char/drm/drm.ko): Cannot allocate memory Try searching dmesg for drm. My guess is either the radeonfb module is conflicting, or the fglrx module. -Richard In fact the radeon module conflicts with fglrx. I've unloaded fglrx, modprobed radeon (verified by lsmod) and relaunched gdm. But it's still refusing to use the new module: (EE) Failed to load module "radeon" (module does not exist, 0) Actually it does exist, it is loaded and besides listed in xorg.conf to be bound to my Radeon 9600XT. I'm can't get it. Any suggestions? Thankful for your support so far and still asking for help, sincerely yours, Jan -- Mailjan at stepien com pl Jabber jano at jabber aster pl GG 1894343 Web http://stepien.com.pl -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
On 1/20/07, Jan Stępień <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (/lib/modules/2.6.18-gentoo-r4/kernel/drivers/char/drm/drm.ko): Cannot allocate memory Try searching dmesg for drm. My guess is either the radeonfb module is conflicting, or the fglrx module. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
Richard Fish napisał(a): > On 1/19/07, Jan Stępień <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Please verify my plan. I should recompile my kernel with device drivers >> -> character devices -> radeon built in (or as a module) and in >> xorg.conf set driver to "radeon". Am I right? > > Yeah, I think that will work. Good luck! > > -Richard > New problems came up. # modprobe radeon WARNING: Error inserting drm (/lib/modules/2.6.18-gentoo-r4/kernel/drivers/char/drm/drm.ko): Cannot allocate memory FATAL: Error inserting radeon (/lib/modules/2.6.18-gentoo-r4/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) # dmesg | grep radeon radeonfb: Found Intel x86 BIOS ROM Image radeonfb: Retrieved PLL infos from BIOS radeonfb: Reference=27.00 MHz (RefDiv=12) Memory=500.00 Mhz, System=297.00 MHz radeonfb: PLL min 2 max 4 radeonfb: Monitor 1 type CRT found radeonfb: EDID probed radeonfb: Monitor 2 type no found radeonfb (:01:00.0): ATI Radeon AR radeon: Unknown symbol drm_open radeon: Unknown symbol drm_fasync radeon: Unknown symbol drm_poll radeon: Unknown symbol drm_get_resource_len radeon: Unknown symbol drm_core_get_reg_ofs radeon: Unknown symbol drm_irq_uninstall radeon: Unknown symbol drm_ioctl radeon: Unknown symbol drm_exit radeon: Unknown symbol drm_debug radeon: Unknown symbol drm_core_get_map_ofs radeon: Unknown symbol drm_init radeon: Unknown symbol drm_addmap radeon: Unknown symbol drm_ioremapfree radeon: Unknown symbol drm_ioremap radeon: Unknown symbol drm_get_resource_start radeon: Unknown symbol drm_vbl_send_signals radeon: Unknown symbol drm_ati_pcigart_init radeon: Unknown symbol drm_mmap radeon: Unknown symbol drm_order radeon: Unknown symbol drm_ati_pcigart_cleanup radeon: Unknown symbol drm_core_reclaim_buffers radeon: Unknown symbol drm_release radeon: Unknown symbol drm_open radeon: Unknown symbol drm_fasync radeon: Unknown symbol drm_poll radeon: Unknown symbol drm_get_resource_len radeon: Unknown symbol drm_core_get_reg_ofs radeon: Unknown symbol drm_irq_uninstall radeon: Unknown symbol drm_ioctl radeon: Unknown symbol drm_exit radeon: Unknown symbol drm_debug radeon: Unknown symbol drm_core_get_map_ofs radeon: Unknown symbol drm_init radeon: Unknown symbol drm_addmap radeon: Unknown symbol drm_ioremapfree radeon: Unknown symbol drm_ioremap radeon: Unknown symbol drm_get_resource_start radeon: Unknown symbol drm_vbl_send_signals radeon: Unknown symbol drm_ati_pcigart_init radeon: Unknown symbol drm_mmap radeon: Unknown symbol drm_order radeon: Unknown symbol drm_ati_pcigart_cleanup radeon: Unknown symbol drm_core_reclaim_buffers radeon: Unknown symbol drm_release Any ideas? Regards, Jan -- Mailjan at stepien com pl Jabber jano at jabber aster pl GG 1894343 Web http://stepien.com.pl signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
On Saturday 20 January 2007 00:31, Jan Stępień wrote: > After launching X server with this setting it results in using Mesa > instead of fglrx, which means NO direct rendering, as proved by glxinfo. > Beryl cannot be launched because of lack of DRI. > > If I turn composite off, the X server is driven by fglrx, which gives me > direct rendering and Beryl's refusal to start because of lack of > composite extension. > > It's all quite suspicious, taking into account fact that Radeons are > listed at the website above as video cards able of running AIGLX. But > maybe only on FOSS drivers...? > It might be a proprietary drive issue. I use an intel chipset - composite on, direct rendering, AIGLX and Beryl all working together. Just as the wiki tells you to do. > Afterwards I've downloaded xlaunch. When trying to launch an app (in > this case armyops) starting xlaunch in a terminal in an existing X > server the screen blacks out, probably trying to launch new X session > and suddenly restarts GDM, meanwhile killing my original session. > > I've also tried to use xlaunch in a text console having my previous X > server turned on. Results are the same. > > Have you got any suggestions? > Try turning off GDM, logging in via console and then running startx. Then from inside that xserver use xlaunch to start the game, see if the results are any different. Xlaunch works perfectly for me from within KDE or enlightenment, although I've never had GDM running (or even installed) on this machine. - Noven -- >-- Novensiles divi Flamen --< > Miles Militis Fons < -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
On 1/19/07, Jan Stępień <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please verify my plan. I should recompile my kernel with device drivers -> character devices -> radeon built in (or as a module) and in xorg.conf set driver to "radeon". Am I right? Yeah, I think that will work. Good luck! -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
On Friday 19 January 2007 15:01, Jan Stępień wrote: > Jan Stępień napisał(a): > > Fair enough. Firstly I'll check whether AIGLX will be working with my > > video card, and in case of failure I'll give xlaunch a shot. > > I've reemerged Xorg adding "aiglx" to USE variable, modified > /etc/X11/xorg.conf (actually I've been following these instructions: > http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_AIGLX) and tried to launch Xorg with AIGLX. > Unfortunately efforts were fruitless. Accordingly to article mentioned > above I have to enable composite in xorg.conf: > > Section "Extensions" > Option "Composite" "Enable" > EndSection > > After launching X server with this setting it results in using Mesa > instead of fglrx, which means NO direct rendering, as proved by glxinfo. > Beryl cannot be launched because of lack of DRI. > > If I turn composite off, the X server is driven by fglrx, which gives me > direct rendering and Beryl's refusal to start because of lack of > composite extension. > > It's all quite suspicious, taking into account fact that Radeons are > listed at the website above as video cards able of running AIGLX. But > maybe only on FOSS drivers...? > > Afterwards I've downloaded xlaunch. When trying to launch an app (in > this case armyops) starting xlaunch in a terminal in an existing X > server the screen blacks out, probably trying to launch new X session > and suddenly restarts GDM, meanwhile killing my original session. > > I've also tried to use xlaunch in a text console having my previous X > server turned on. Results are the same. > > Have you got any suggestions? Sounds like you are out of luck. The open drivers with AIGLX support don't support your card and the closed ones don't support AIGLX. So your only hope: Xgl and a second X. That is a little bit sad. Send your 'thank yous' to ATI. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
Richard Fish napisał(a):
> Have you checked your /var/log/Xorg.*.log files? They should reflect
> why the Xgl server is not being accellerated.
Got it! Somewhere around 92% of /var/log/Xorg.94.log, which is logging
Xgl, I've found:
(EE) fglrx(0): Hardware has already been locked.
(II) fglrx(0): [drm] removed 1 reserved context for kernel
(II) fglrx(0): [drm] unmapping 8192 bytes of SAREA 0x2000 at 0xb7f7b000
(WW) fglrx(0): ***
(WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed! *
(WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) *
(WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO) *
(WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available*
(WW) fglrx(0): * *
Hardware's locked? Do they mean that I can render only one X server
simultaneously? They must be kidding...
And near the end of this file:
(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
No doubt about it.
What's also interesting at the 96th per cent of Xorg.0.log, standard
server's log, I've got:
(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so failed
(/usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file
or directory)
(EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
Did portage forgotten about something while emerging ati-drivers? Or
maybe it's my mistake to force AIGLX to start ('Option "AIGLX" "true"'
in xorg.conf)?
> Also, one other option may be to try the opensource radeon driver.
> You can lookup your card's pci ID (use lspci && lspci -n) in
> /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/drm/drm_pciids.h to see if it is supported
> or not. If so, you should be able to get aiglx working with
> opensource drivers.
Found it. In the section radeon_PCI_IDS I've found the following line:
{0x1002, 0x4152, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, CHIP_RV350}, \
Please verify my plan. I should recompile my kernel with device drivers
-> character devices -> radeon built in (or as a module) and in
xorg.conf set driver to "radeon". Am I right?
Thanks for your feedback,
Jan
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Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
On 1/19/07, Jan Stępień <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When entering default runlevel GDM starts and launches both servers. First one, Standard, has got direct rendering turned on and OpenGL is rendered by fglrx driver. OpenGL apps work fine. On the other hand second server, Xgl, has not got direct rendering, and what is most suspicious, it uses Mesa drivers, which cause Beryl to run at an absolutely unacceptable performance. Why both servers are not rendered using fglrx? Have you got any ideas how to do it? Have you checked your /var/log/Xorg.*.log files? They should reflect why the Xgl server is not being accellerated. Also, one other option may be to try the opensource radeon driver. You can lookup your card's pci ID (use lspci && lspci -n) in /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/drm/drm_pciids.h to see if it is supported or not. If so, you should be able to get aiglx working with opensource drivers. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
Hemmann, Volker Armin napisał(a): > On Thursday 18 January 2007 23:47, Jan Stępień wrote: >> On 18 Sty, 19:50, "Hemmann, Volker Armin" >>> >>> Or you can start a second X with xinit. So you would have one >>> desktop (on F7) >>> with Xgl and one (F8) with 'normal' X. >> This method sounds interesting, but I have some doubts. Won't two >> separate X servers be too big challenge for my box? I've got an Athlon >> XP 3000+ (working at 2167 MHz) plus a GB of RAM. Having Xgl loaded in >> the background could be deadly for performance in OpenGL apps on Xorg. >> Please correct me if I'm wrong. > > well, I played ut2004 on my amd64 3200+/gf6600. One instance of Xgl one with > naked X (and a xterm). Worked well enough. > I managed to launch two X servers at one time, however I'm still far from being successful. My /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf [servers] 0=Standard 1=Xgl [server-Standard] name=Standard server command=/usr/bin/X -audit 0 priority=0 [server-Xgl] name=Xgl command=/usr/bin/Xgl :1 -ac -accel glx:pbuffer -accel xv:pbuffer flexible=true chooser=false handled=true priority=0 When entering default runlevel GDM starts and launches both servers. First one, Standard, has got direct rendering turned on and OpenGL is rendered by fglrx driver. OpenGL apps work fine. On the other hand second server, Xgl, has not got direct rendering, and what is most suspicious, it uses Mesa drivers, which cause Beryl to run at an absolutely unacceptable performance. Why both servers are not rendered using fglrx? Have you got any ideas how to do it? Regards, Jan -- Mailjan at stepien com pl Jabber jano at jabber aster pl GG 1894343 Web http://stepien.com.pl signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
Jan Stępień napisał(a): > > Fair enough. Firstly I'll check whether AIGLX will be working with my > video card, and in case of failure I'll give xlaunch a shot. > I've reemerged Xorg adding "aiglx" to USE variable, modified /etc/X11/xorg.conf (actually I've been following these instructions: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_AIGLX) and tried to launch Xorg with AIGLX. Unfortunately efforts were fruitless. Accordingly to article mentioned above I have to enable composite in xorg.conf: Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Enable" EndSection After launching X server with this setting it results in using Mesa instead of fglrx, which means NO direct rendering, as proved by glxinfo. Beryl cannot be launched because of lack of DRI. If I turn composite off, the X server is driven by fglrx, which gives me direct rendering and Beryl's refusal to start because of lack of composite extension. It's all quite suspicious, taking into account fact that Radeons are listed at the website above as video cards able of running AIGLX. But maybe only on FOSS drivers...? Afterwards I've downloaded xlaunch. When trying to launch an app (in this case armyops) starting xlaunch in a terminal in an existing X server the screen blacks out, probably trying to launch new X session and suddenly restarts GDM, meanwhile killing my original session. I've also tried to use xlaunch in a text console having my previous X server turned on. Results are the same. Have you got any suggestions? Best regards, Jan Stępień -- Mailjan at stepien com pl Jabber jano at jabber aster pl GG 1894343 Web http://stepien.com.pl signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
Novensiles divi Flamen napisał(a): > I use a script called xlaunch: > > http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-483004-highlight-xlaunch.html > > I run it on my laptop and have absolutely no problems, the xserver alone won't > kill your performance. > > - Noven Thanks, sounds interesting. Hemmann, Volker Armin napisał(a): > > I don't know which drivers support AIGLX, but with aiglx (or nvidia), > you can > go from eye-candy-to-fast-to-eye-candy with two mouseclicks. (start > beryl-manager, choose beryl from the menu for eye candy or your > other wm, for > speed). > Fredrik Tolf napisał(a): > I'm no expert, but as far as I know, that's the reason why AIGLX > succeeded Xgl. So if you ask me, I think AIGLX (if it works with ATI) > would be the solution to your problem. > Fair enough. Firstly I'll check whether AIGLX will be working with my video card, and in case of failure I'll give xlaunch a shot. Thanks for support, guys, Regards, Jan Stępień -- Mailjan at stepien com pl Jabber jano at jabber aster pl GG 1894343 Web http://stepien.com.pl signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 23:47 +0100, Jan Stępień wrote: > On 18 Sty, 19:50, "Hemmann, Volker Armin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > nope. It isn't. > > Xgl and direct rendering are exclusive. One or the other. > > Pity. That would be lovely. I'm no expert, but as far as I know, that's the reason why AIGLX succeeded Xgl. So if you ask me, I think AIGLX (if it works with ATI) would be the solution to your problem. Fredrik Tolf -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
On Thursday 18 January 2007 23:47, Jan Stępień wrote: > On 18 Sty, 19:50, "Hemmann, Volker Armin" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > nope. It isn't. > > Xgl and direct rendering are exclusive. One or the other. > > Pity. That would be lovely. > > > Yes. > > > > Or you can start a second X with xinit. So you would have one > > desktop (on F7) > > with Xgl and one (F8) with 'normal' X. > > This method sounds interesting, but I have some doubts. Won't two > separate X servers be too big challenge for my box? I've got an Athlon > XP 3000+ (working at 2167 MHz) plus a GB of RAM. Having Xgl loaded in > the background could be deadly for performance in OpenGL apps on Xorg. > Please correct me if I'm wrong. well, I played ut2004 on my amd64 3200+/gf6600. One instance of Xgl one with naked X (and a xterm). Worked well enough. > > > Any reason, you are using Xgl? No Aiglx with your card? > > Actually, I haven't though about it. I've got an ATI Radeon 9600XT > running on proprietary drivers (emerged ati-drivers). It works fine, as > long as you can tell that Radeon works fine on Linux; I haven't got any > experience with NVidia's hardware. Returning to the topic, I haven't got > an idea neither whether Aiglx works with my Radeon nor why I'm not using > Aiglx. When I've started to play with fancy 3D servers I was using > Debian, and I found an article describing quite precisely how to get Xgl > running on unstable Debian. Worked fine, so I've found Xgl a nice > choice. Am I mistaken? I don't know which drivers support AIGLX, but with aiglx (or nvidia), you can go from eye-candy-to-fast-to-eye-candy with two mouseclicks. (start beryl-manager, choose beryl from the menu for eye candy or your other wm, for speed). -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
On Friday 19 January 2007 09:17, Jan Stępień wrote: > > > > Or you can start a second X with xinit. So you would have one > > desktop (on F7) > > with Xgl and one (F8) with 'normal' X. > > This method sounds interesting, but I have some doubts. Won't two > separate X servers be too big challenge for my box? I've got an Athlon > XP 3000+ (working at 2167 MHz) plus a GB of RAM. Having Xgl loaded in > the background could be deadly for performance in OpenGL apps on Xorg. > Please correct me if I'm wrong. > I use a script called xlaunch: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-483004-highlight-xlaunch.html I run it on my laptop and have absolutely no problems, the xserver alone won't kill your performance. - Noven -- >-- Novensiles divi Flamen --< > Miles Militis Fons < -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
On 18 Sty, 19:50, "Hemmann, Volker Armin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > nope. It isn't. > Xgl and direct rendering are exclusive. One or the other. > Pity. That would be lovely. > > Yes. > > Or you can start a second X with xinit. So you would have one > desktop (on F7) > with Xgl and one (F8) with 'normal' X. > This method sounds interesting, but I have some doubts. Won't two separate X servers be too big challenge for my box? I've got an Athlon XP 3000+ (working at 2167 MHz) plus a GB of RAM. Having Xgl loaded in the background could be deadly for performance in OpenGL apps on Xorg. Please correct me if I'm wrong. > Any reason, you are using Xgl? No Aiglx with your card? > Actually, I haven't though about it. I've got an ATI Radeon 9600XT running on proprietary drivers (emerged ati-drivers). It works fine, as long as you can tell that Radeon works fine on Linux; I haven't got any experience with NVidia's hardware. Returning to the topic, I haven't got an idea neither whether Aiglx works with my Radeon nor why I'm not using Aiglx. When I've started to play with fancy 3D servers I was using Debian, and I found an article describing quite precisely how to get Xgl running on unstable Debian. Worked fine, so I've found Xgl a nice choice. Am I mistaken? Thanks for your feedback, Best regards, Jan Stępień -- Mailjan at stepien com pl Jabber jano at jabber aster pl GG 1894343 Web http://stepien.com.pl signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
On Thursday 18 January 2007 18:32, Jan Stępień wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've been using Xgl for quite a long time without any serious problems. > Recently I've tried to launch America's Army (emerged one, version > 2.5.0) on my box, but... > > ~ armyops > Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":1.0". > Cheat protection disabled > open /dev/[sound/]mixer: No such file or directory > WARNING: ALC_EXT_capture is subject to change! > Either GL_EXT_bgra or glDrawRangeElements not supported- bailing out. > History: > Exiting due to error > > Being quite disappointed I verified the first line of the output above > with glxinfo. And so... > > ~ glxinfo > name of display: :1.0 > Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":1.0". > display: :1 screen: 0 > direct rendering: No > > > It sounds rather unbelievably. I've got running Xgl with Beryl's > dazzling animations and I'm informed that despite having over 4000 FPS > on glxgears I have not got direct rendering. What the...? glxgears is not a benchmark. it might be unbelievable, but it is true. If you use Xgl, no direct rendering there. > > Few days later I've accidentally launched Xorg (using startx script) > instead of my Xgl. When I entered my old, two-dimension desktop I > thought that trying America's Army over here, without Xgl, could tell me > something more (i.e. that something's wrong with my configuration or > whatever else). So I typed armyops in the terminal... And surprisingly > enough the game has started. Furthermore, the framerate was quite > satisfactory. that is normal too. > > After this quite long introduction I'll finally get to the point. I have > got two questions. > > 1. Is it possible to enable somehow direct rendering on Xgl, therefore > allowing OpenGL apps to work as ought to. nope. It isn't. Xgl and direct rendering are exclusive. One or the other. > > 2. If the answer to the first questions is "NO", then is there a method > of choosing which Xserver to use? Can I choose whether I'd like to > launch Xorg or Xgl? Or maybe I can even enable such choice in GDM login > screen? Yes. Or you can start a second X with xinit. So you would have one desktop (on F7) with Xgl and one (F8) with 'normal' X. Any reason, you are using Xgl? No Aiglx with your card? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Xgl and direct rendering or 'Would you like Xorg or Xgl, sir?'
Hi everyone, I've been using Xgl for quite a long time without any serious problems. Recently I've tried to launch America's Army (emerged one, version 2.5.0) on my box, but... ~ armyops Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":1.0". Cheat protection disabled open /dev/[sound/]mixer: No such file or directory WARNING: ALC_EXT_capture is subject to change! Either GL_EXT_bgra or glDrawRangeElements not supported- bailing out. History: Exiting due to error Being quite disappointed I verified the first line of the output above with glxinfo. And so... ~ glxinfo name of display: :1.0 Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":1.0". display: :1 screen: 0 direct rendering: No It sounds rather unbelievably. I've got running Xgl with Beryl's dazzling animations and I'm informed that despite having over 4000 FPS on glxgears I have not got direct rendering. What the...? Few days later I've accidentally launched Xorg (using startx script) instead of my Xgl. When I entered my old, two-dimension desktop I thought that trying America's Army over here, without Xgl, could tell me something more (i.e. that something's wrong with my configuration or whatever else). So I typed armyops in the terminal... And surprisingly enough the game has started. Furthermore, the framerate was quite satisfactory. After this quite long introduction I'll finally get to the point. I have got two questions. 1. Is it possible to enable somehow direct rendering on Xgl, therefore allowing OpenGL apps to work as ought to. 2. If the answer to the first questions is "NO", then is there a method of choosing which Xserver to use? Can I choose whether I'd like to launch Xorg or Xgl? Or maybe I can even enable such choice in GDM login screen? If you need any further information regarding by box please don't hesitate to ask. Any support would be highly appreciated. Best regards, Jan Stępień -- Mailjan at stepien com pl Jabber jano at jabber aster pl GG 1894343 Web http://stepien.com.pl signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
