Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On Tue, 17 May 2011 01:49:29 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: should be referred to using the neuter form of pronouns, i.e. it, as befitting their overall contribution to humanity. You see what I did there? You see how I recovered with a witty reposte without even blinking an eye? It takes nerves of steel and much practise to pull that one off, I tell you! Let's see how long it takes Neil to find the grammar errors in that lot :-) Well, since you asked... All objects of technology (aka stuff what we work on), Stuff WHAT we work on? Users, n00bs, marketing persons, hairdressers, telephone handset sanitizers and other assorted riff-raff of the human species Douglas Adams was English, our second greatest writer, so that should be telephone sanitiser - but that's nit-picking, even form me :) Oh, and it should be grammatical errors :P -- Neil Bothwick I don't have any solution, but I certainly admire the problem. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
Apparently, though unproven, at 09:16 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: While we are nitpicking: Douglas Adams was English, our second greatest writer, That should be greatest writer, the other fellow was not the greatest - he merely wrote soap operas. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On Tuesday 17 May 2011 08:16:20 Neil Bothwick wrote: Douglas Adams was English, our second greatest writer Who do you class as the greatest English writer then? , so that should be telephone sanitiser - but that's nit-picking, even form me :) [nipick] even form me? :P [/nitpick] -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
Apparently, though unproven, at 10:22 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Joost Roeleveld did opine thusly: On Tuesday 17 May 2011 08:16:20 Neil Bothwick wrote: Douglas Adams was English, our second greatest writer Who do you class as the greatest English writer then? Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On Tue, 17 May 2011 09:29:29 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Douglas Adams was English, our second greatest writer, That should be greatest writer, the other fellow was not the greatest - he merely wrote soap operas. I don't know what you mean, unless you mistakenly assumed I was referring to Shakespeare... I wasn't. I was of course referring to the one who came before Adams, whose merest operational parameters he was not worthy to calculate - Nigel Kneale. -- Neil Bothwick C Error #029: Well! I'm impressed signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On Tue, 17 May 2011 10:22:35 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: telephone sanitiser - but that's nit-picking, even form me :) [nipick] even form me? :P [/nitpick] I think we should both be more careful with our typing when nit-picking :( -- Neil Bothwick COMMAND: A suggestion made to a computer. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On Tuesday 17 May 2011 10:35:48 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 10:22 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Joost Roeleveld did opine thusly: On Tuesday 17 May 2011 08:16:20 Neil Bothwick wrote: Douglas Adams was English, our second greatest writer Who do you class as the greatest English writer then? Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings You like Vogon Poetry as well then? ;) -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On Tuesday 17 May 2011 10:19:30 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 10:22:35 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: telephone sanitiser - but that's nit-picking, even form me :) [nipick] even form me? :P [/nitpick] I think we should both be more careful with our typing when nit-picking :( Probably :)
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
Apparently, though unproven, at 11:21 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Joost Roeleveld did opine thusly: On Tuesday 17 May 2011 10:35:48 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 10:22 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Joost Roeleveld did opine thusly: On Tuesday 17 May 2011 08:16:20 Neil Bothwick wrote: Douglas Adams was English, our second greatest writer Who do you class as the greatest English writer then? Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings You like Vogon Poetry as well then? ;) I have no choice. Resistance is futile. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 09:40:01AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 09:16 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: While we are nitpicking: Douglas Adams was English, our second greatest writer, That should be greatest writer, the other fellow was not the greatest - he merely wrote soap operas. IMO it's co-greatest writer: tossup between Douglas Adams and Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 06:18, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 01:01 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:40:32 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I had many posts typed out, most of them rude, all of them classic Alan, but something held me back. Lucky it went that way, he later posted he read 1667MHZ as 167MHz. Amazing what a difference a 1 can make :-) Not nearly as much as a 6 :P I *really* need to get some sleep and go to bed _right_now_ sigh I 3 this list :-D -- Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Visit my Blog: http://pepoluan.posterous.com
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On Sun, 15 May 2011 22:54:14 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: Why setup didn't get this right via emerge I have no idea, unless it didn't actually do anything toward actually setting Grub up. Emerging GRUB installs it, that's all. The post installation message would have told you to set i up, but it's up to you to do the work. -- Neil Bothwick I'm not closed minded, you're just wrong. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On 2011-05-15 10:54 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Why setup didn't get this right via emerge I have no idea, unless it didn't actually do anything toward actually setting Grub up. If so, it could be there was already some mismatched Grub code there already from a previous use of the sectors there that didn't like the file format. Felix - you need to start reading the post-install messages when emerging things. With Gentoo, a lot of times, you have to actually do things manually after installing something - as you found with GRUB. Most people set things up so they get emails of the post install messages when emerging things, but it is up to you to actually read them and, when necessary, follow the instructions.
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
That's a clever trick. How do you get emails from emerge? JDM -Original Message- From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 07:58:34 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!) On 2011-05-15 10:54 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Why setup didn't get this right via emerge I have no idea, unless it didn't actually do anything toward actually setting Grub up. If so, it could be there was already some mismatched Grub code there already from a previous use of the sectors there that didn't like the file format. Felix - you need to start reading the post-install messages when emerging things. With Gentoo, a lot of times, you have to actually do things manually after installing something - as you found with GRUB. Most people set things up so they get emails of the post install messages when emerging things, but it is up to you to actually read them and, when necessary, follow the instructions.
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On Mon, 16 May 2011 12:43:05 +, JDM wrote: That's a clever trick. How do you get emails from emerge? Read the settings for PORTAGE_ELOG in man make.conf. -- Neil Bothwick WinErr 001: Windows loaded - System in danger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On 16/5/2011, at 1:43pm, JDM wrote: Most people set things up so they get emails of the post install messages when emerging things, but it is up to you to actually read them and, when necessary, follow the instructions. That's a clever trick. How do you get emails from emerge? $ grep -i mail /etc/make.conf PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM=save mail PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI=root PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILFROM=portage@hex $ (I follow the guiding principal that root and postmaster should always be correctly aliased, and that mail to them should be delivered correctly to another named user, my own). Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 03:10:03PM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 16 May 2011 12:43:05 +, JDM wrote: That's a clever trick. How do you get emails from emerge? Read the settings for PORTAGE_ELOG in man make.conf. Or as that man page says, Please see /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example for elog documentation. :) -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 05:00:02AM +0200, Felix Miata wrote: On 2011/05/15 22:18 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed: I have two Gentoo stanzas in my primary bootloader, one to load the kernel, another to chainload Gentoo's Grub. Loading the kernel works, but chainload gives error 13 invalid executable format. I named the bzImage copied to /boot kernel-2.6.37-r4f, and symlinked it a vmlinuz. vmlinuz is the name I use in the Grub stanzas. Is Gentoo's Grub expecting the kernel to have a particular name, and I picked a wrong one? Or maybe what it doesn't like is that I uncommented splashimage=(hd0,6)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz in menu.lst? I always just copy the bzImage to (for example) /boot/vmlinux-2.6.38-gentoo-r5, but the name doesn't really matter as long as it matches your bootloader entry. Why setup didn't get this right via emerge I have no idea, unless it didn't actually do anything toward actually setting Grub up. If so, it could be there was already some mismatched Grub code there already from a previous use of the sectors there that didn't like the file format. The install docs are fairly clear that installing the grub pkg is only the first step of setting up the bootloader. It seems to me (though I could certainly be wrong) that your best bet really is to perform a vanilla install first, as much as your hardware allows. Just to get to know the system before attempting to customize it. :) -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On 2011/05/16 11:26 (GMT-0400) Indi composed: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 05:00:02AM +0200, Felix Miata wrote: On 2011/05/15 22:18 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed: I have two Gentoo stanzas in my primary bootloader, one to load the kernel, another to chainload Gentoo's Grub. Loading the kernel works, but chainload gives error 13 invalid executable format. I named the bzImage copied to /boot kernel-2.6.37-r4f, and symlinked it a vmlinuz. vmlinuz is the name I use in the Grub stanzas. Is Gentoo's Grub expecting the kernel to have a particular name, and I picked a wrong one? Or maybe what it doesn't like is that I uncommented splashimage=(hd0,6)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz in menu.lst? I always just copy the bzImage to (for example) /boot/vmlinux-2.6.38-gentoo-r5, but the name doesn't really matter as long as it matches your bootloader entry. I spent more time thinking about what happened, and decided the Grub message had to be coming from the master Grub trying to chainload the non-existent Gentoo Grub, and finding old data from a partition previously using that space, rather than something recognizable as boot code. Why setup didn't get this right via emerge I have no idea, unless it didn't actually do anything toward actually setting Grub up. If so, it could be there was already some mismatched Grub code there already from a previous use of the sectors there that didn't like the file format. The install docs are fairly clear that installing the grub pkg is only the first step of setting up the bootloader. At that point I was seriously burned out on reading and rereading docs on install attempt #8 on my 5th day trying. I was so joyful seeing pretty colors and no error messages that I couldn't think logically. ;-) It seems to me (though I could certainly be wrong) that your best bet really is to perform a vanilla install first, as much as your hardware allows. Just to get to know the system before attempting to customize it. :) Actually after the first or 2nd or some subsequent attempt that was my plan. After so much time passed (days, not just hours) and I had good kernel, NFS, and MC that I didn't see much point delaying KDE. After the errors disappeared around 10 last night and I reported same here I started to wonder where to go next on a tired brain. I set qt3support emerging around that time, and more than 3 hours later and time for bed its hundred some packages were still emerging. I woke up hours later to goto the bathroom and found that done, so set kdm to install. That hundred plus set of packages is still emerging now, nearly 6 hours later. Maybe 32 bit 1667MHz 512M RAM is on the skimpy side for installing Gentoo? -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 06:10:02PM +0200, Felix Miata wrote: Actually after the first or 2nd or some subsequent attempt that was my plan. After so much time passed (days, not just hours) and I had good kernel, NFS, and MC that I didn't see much point delaying KDE. After the errors disappeared around 10 last night and I reported same here I started to wonder where to go next on a tired brain. I set qt3support emerging around that time, and more than 3 hours later and time for bed its hundred some packages were still emerging. I woke up hours later to goto the bathroom and found that done, so set kdm to install. That hundred plus set of packages is still emerging now, nearly 6 hours later. Maybe 32 bit 1667MHz 512M RAM is on the skimpy side for installing Gentoo? Not to mention there is pretty much no way you'll be using kde on that hardware! I'd be surprised if X would be usable on that even with blackbox wm... -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:18:49PM -0400, Indi wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 06:10:02PM +0200, Felix Miata wrote: Actually after the first or 2nd or some subsequent attempt that was my plan. After so much time passed (days, not just hours) and I had good kernel, NFS, and MC that I didn't see much point delaying KDE. After the errors disappeared around 10 last night and I reported same here I started to wonder where to go next on a tired brain. I set qt3support emerging around that time, and more than 3 hours later and time for bed its hundred some packages were still emerging. I woke up hours later to goto the bathroom and found that done, so set kdm to install. That hundred plus set of packages is still emerging now, nearly 6 hours later. Maybe 32 bit 1667MHz 512M RAM is on the skimpy side for installing Gentoo? Not to mention there is pretty much no way you'll be using kde on that hardware! I'd be surprised if X would be usable on that even with blackbox wm... Oh jeesh, my bad -- I saw 167 MHz, but it's 1667 MHz. Sorry! :/ (My eyesight is not good) Yes, you shoud be able to run whatever DE/WM. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
Apparently, though unproven, at 18:18 on Monday 16 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 06:10:02PM +0200, Felix Miata wrote: Actually after the first or 2nd or some subsequent attempt that was my plan. After so much time passed (days, not just hours) and I had good kernel, NFS, and MC that I didn't see much point delaying KDE. After the errors disappeared around 10 last night and I reported same here I started to wonder where to go next on a tired brain. I set qt3support emerging around that time, and more than 3 hours later and time for bed its hundred some packages were still emerging. I woke up hours later to goto the bathroom and found that done, so set kdm to install. That hundred plus set of packages is still emerging now, nearly 6 hours later. Maybe 32 bit 1667MHz 512M RAM is on the skimpy side for installing Gentoo? Not to mention there is pretty much no way you'll be using kde on that hardware! I'd be surprised if X would be usable on that even with blackbox wm... This is a joke right? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On Mon, 16 May 2011 10:57:14 -0400, Indi wrote: Read the settings for PORTAGE_ELOG in man make.conf. Or as that man page says, Please see /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example for elog documentation. I know that's what the man page currently says, but I expect it will be updated to include the actual information long before this thread is deleted from all mail archives, so it seemed prudent to point to the man page and let the user follow the link :) -- Neil Bothwick A computer without Microsoft is like a chocolate cake without mustard. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
Thnx, have followed advice. I am impressed. JDM -Original Message- From: Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 20:57:26 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!) On Mon, 16 May 2011 10:57:14 -0400, Indi wrote: Read the settings for PORTAGE_ELOG in man make.conf. Or as that man page says, Please see /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example for elog documentation. I know that's what the man page currently says, but I expect it will be updated to include the actual information long before this thread is deleted from all mail archives, so it seemed prudent to point to the man page and let the user follow the link :) -- Neil Bothwick A computer without Microsoft is like a chocolate cake without mustard.
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 18:18 on Monday 16 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 06:10:02PM +0200, Felix Miata wrote: Actually after the first or 2nd or some subsequent attempt that was my plan. After so much time passed (days, not just hours) and I had good kernel, NFS, and MC that I didn't see much point delaying KDE. After the errors disappeared around 10 last night and I reported same here I started to wonder where to go next on a tired brain. I set qt3support emerging around that time, and more than 3 hours later and time for bed its hundred some packages were still emerging. I woke up hours later to goto the bathroom and found that done, so set kdm to install. That hundred plus set of packages is still emerging now, nearly 6 hours later. Maybe 32 bit 1667MHz 512M RAM is on the skimpy side for installing Gentoo? Not to mention there is pretty much no way you'll be using kde on that hardware! I'd be surprised if X would be usable on that even with blackbox wm... This is a joke right? I once ran Gentoo Linux with KDE3 on a 133Mhz machine with 256Mbs of ram. It wasn't fast but it did OK. A friend used it to play cards on. No internet or anything tho. I did the compiling via chroot on my old rig which had a much faster CPU and such. I just plugged the drive into my rig and did my thing. It may be slow but it should work. Make sure you have some swap tho. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:15 on Monday 16 May 2011, Dale did opine thusly: Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 18:18 on Monday 16 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 06:10:02PM +0200, Felix Miata wrote: Actually after the first or 2nd or some subsequent attempt that was my plan. After so much time passed (days, not just hours) and I had good kernel, NFS, and MC that I didn't see much point delaying KDE. After the errors disappeared around 10 last night and I reported same here I started to wonder where to go next on a tired brain. I set qt3support emerging around that time, and more than 3 hours later and time for bed its hundred some packages were still emerging. I woke up hours later to goto the bathroom and found that done, so set kdm to install. That hundred plus set of packages is still emerging now, nearly 6 hours later. Maybe 32 bit 1667MHz 512M RAM is on the skimpy side for installing Gentoo? Not to mention there is pretty much no way you'll be using kde on that hardware! I'd be surprised if X would be usable on that even with blackbox wm... This is a joke right? I once ran Gentoo Linux with KDE3 on a 133Mhz machine with 256Mbs of ram. It wasn't fast but it did OK. A friend used it to play cards on. No internet or anything tho. I did the compiling via chroot on my old rig which had a much faster CPU and such. I just plugged the drive into my rig and did my thing. It may be slow but it should work. Make sure you have some swap tho. I pondered for a long time how to reply to Indi. I had many posts typed out, most of them rude, all of them classic Alan, but something held me back. Lucky it went that way, he later posted he read 1667MHZ as 167MHz. Amazing what a difference a 1 can make :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:10:02PM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 16 May 2011 10:57:14 -0400, Indi wrote: Read the settings for PORTAGE_ELOG in man make.conf. Or as that man page says, Please see /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example for elog documentation. I know that's what the man page currently says, but I expect it will be updated to include the actual information long before this thread is deleted from all mail archives, so it seemed prudent to point to the man page and let the user follow the link :) Quite right, thanks. :) -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:40:32 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I had many posts typed out, most of them rude, all of them classic Alan, but something held me back. Lucky it went that way, he later posted he read 1667MHZ as 167MHz. Amazing what a difference a 1 can make :-) Not nearly as much as a 6 :P -- Neil Bothwick WWW: World Wide Wait signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:01 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:40:32 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I had many posts typed out, most of them rude, all of them classic Alan, but something held me back. Lucky it went that way, he later posted he read 1667MHZ as 167MHz. Amazing what a difference a 1 can make :-) Not nearly as much as a 6 :P I *really* need to get some sleep and go to bed _right_now_ sigh -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On 2011/05/16 19:01 (GMT-0400) Neil Bothwick composed: On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:40:32 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: he read 1667MHZ as 167MHz. Amazing what a difference a 1 can make :-) Not nearly as much as a 6 :P Sure it can! In 101000b, any of those 1s represents more than 6. Indi misread 1101011b as 10100111b, while 6 is only 110b. :-) -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 01:10:02AM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:40:32 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I had many posts typed out, most of them rude, all of them classic Alan, but something held me back. Lucky it went that way, he later posted he read 1667MHZ as 167MHz. Amazing what a difference a 1 can make :-) Not nearly as much as a 6 :P Or an s*. :) -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ *(I'm an old woman)
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:28 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 01:10:02AM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:40:32 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I had many posts typed out, most of them rude, all of them classic Alan, but something held me back. Lucky it went that way, he later posted he read 1667MHZ as 167MHz. Amazing what a difference a 1 can make :-) Not nearly as much as a 6 :P Or an s*. :) You're speaking to a grumpy old fart combined language git, who not only studied English first language at length but an entire 5 year high school career in Latin as well. This makes me eminently qualified to opine thusly: All persons working in technology fields necessarily display masculine attributes, hence shall be uniformly referred to by the male form of pronouns, i.e. all techies are addressed as he. The female form is not incorrect, but discouraged. All objects of technology (aka stuff what we work on), due to the peculiar interaction shown to them by techies, shall be uniformly referred to by means of the female form of pronouns. Vehicles and computers are especially to be referred to using the she form. Motorcycles triply so. Users, n00bs, marketing persons, hairdressers, telephone handset sanitizers and other assorted riff-raff of the human species should be referred to using the neuter form of pronouns, i.e. it, as befitting their overall contribution to humanity. You see what I did there? You see how I recovered with a witty reposte without even blinking an eye? It takes nerves of steel and much practise to pull that one off, I tell you! Let's see how long it takes Neil to find the grammar errors in that lot :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video)
On Sat, 14 May 2011 22:55:49 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Except when 260+ packages need updating as it happened with the last KDE upgrade. I had a cursory look, but I missed some USE flag changes (scanner, rdesktop and vnc I think) which started removing packages and libraries. Other flag changes may well have added packages that I didn't need, but didn't have the time to go through the lot at the time. Is your emerge output colorized? USE flag changes show up in green and the status indicators inside [ebuild ] at the start of lines are in yellow. It's a huge gain being able to pick out the few new things that really stand out that way. It also helps if you don't use -v, as then the only USE flags shown are changes. -- Neil Bothwick -Come, come, why they couldn't hit an elephant from this dist- signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video)
On Sunday 15 May 2011 19:14:26 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 14 May 2011 22:55:49 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Except when 260+ packages need updating as it happened with the last KDE upgrade. I had a cursory look, but I missed some USE flag changes (scanner, rdesktop and vnc I think) which started removing packages and libraries. Other flag changes may well have added packages that I didn't need, but didn't have the time to go through the lot at the time. Is your emerge output colorized? USE flag changes show up in green and the status indicators inside [ebuild ] at the start of lines are in yellow. It's a huge gain being able to pick out the few new things that really stand out that way. It also helps if you don't use -v, as then the only USE flags shown are changes. Of course! Been using -v out of habit and had forgotten about this. :) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video)
Apparently, though unproven, at 20:14 on Sunday 15 May 2011, Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Sat, 14 May 2011 22:55:49 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Except when 260+ packages need updating as it happened with the last KDE upgrade. I had a cursory look, but I missed some USE flag changes (scanner, rdesktop and vnc I think) which started removing packages and libraries. Other flag changes may well have added packages that I didn't need, but didn't have the time to go through the lot at the time. Is your emerge output colorized? USE flag changes show up in green and the status indicators inside [ebuild ] at the start of lines are in yellow. It's a huge gain being able to pick out the few new things that really stand out that way. It also helps if you don't use -v, as then the only USE flags shown are changes. I got out of that habit as I found without -v I'd more often than not ask myself I wonder what other flags are used for this package, and do I need to tweak them? I call it prudence. My gf says it's me being bloody OCD again :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video)
On Sunday 15 May 2011 20:53:04 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 20:14 on Sunday 15 May 2011, Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Sat, 14 May 2011 22:55:49 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Except when 260+ packages need updating as it happened with the last KDE upgrade. I had a cursory look, but I missed some USE flag changes (scanner, rdesktop and vnc I think) which started removing packages and libraries. Other flag changes may well have added packages that I didn't need, but didn't have the time to go through the lot at the time. Is your emerge output colorized? USE flag changes show up in green and the status indicators inside [ebuild ] at the start of lines are in yellow. It's a huge gain being able to pick out the few new things that really stand out that way. It also helps if you don't use -v, as then the only USE flags shown are changes. I got out of that habit as I found without -v I'd more often than not ask myself I wonder what other flags are used for this package, and do I need to tweak them? I call it prudence. My gf says it's me being bloody OCD again :-) I was planning to run it twice anyway, without with ... ;-) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video)
On Sun, 15 May 2011 21:53:04 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: It also helps if you don't use -v, as then the only USE flags shown are changes. I got out of that habit as I found without -v I'd more often than not ask myself I wonder what other flags are used for this package, and do I need to tweak them? I call it prudence. My gf says it's me being bloody OCD again :-) Of course you're OCD - you use Gentoo, don't you? ;-) -- Neil Bothwick Time is the best teacher., unfortunately it kills all the students signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video)
On 2011/05/14 09:20 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed: My #1 problem to solve is NFS not working yet (nfs-utils aka libevent, portmap, rpc emerge failures), but it would also be very nice to get Grub to emerge. Logs: http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/G/ Now as noted in the econf failed thread I've succeeded in emerging nfs-utils and grub, but neither work right. I have two Gentoo stanzas in my primary bootloader, one to load the kernel, another to chainload Gentoo's Grub. Loading the kernel works, but chainload gives error 13 invalid executable format. I named the bzImage copied to /boot kernel-2.6.37-r4f, and symlinked it a vmlinuz. vmlinuz is the name I use in the Grub stanzas. Is Gentoo's Grub expecting the kernel to have a particular name, and I picked a wrong one? Or maybe what it doesn't like is that I uncommented splashimage=(hd0,6)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz in menu.lst? The errors from NFS are different than I originally encountered, and indicate that neither portmap nor rpcbind are running. Which of the two did nfs-utils actually install (or both?), and what exactly is its name I need to use with rc-update or start one or the other manually to get my server's exports mounted locally? -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (part solved)
On 2011/05/15 22:18 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed: The errors from NFS are different than I originally encountered, and indicate that neither portmap nor rpcbind are running. Which of the two did nfs-utils actually install (or both?), and what exactly is its name I need to use with rc-update or start one or the other manually to get my server's exports mounted locally? This one is solved. I looked in /etc/init.d/ and saw rpcbind, got it working manually, then set it automatic on boot with 'rc-update add rpcbind default'. :-) -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video) (Fixed!)
On 2011/05/15 22:18 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed: I have two Gentoo stanzas in my primary bootloader, one to load the kernel, another to chainload Gentoo's Grub. Loading the kernel works, but chainload gives error 13 invalid executable format. I named the bzImage copied to /boot kernel-2.6.37-r4f, and symlinked it a vmlinuz. vmlinuz is the name I use in the Grub stanzas. Is Gentoo's Grub expecting the kernel to have a particular name, and I picked a wrong one? Or maybe what it doesn't like is that I uncommented splashimage=(hd0,6)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz in menu.lst? I got this to work too: # grub grub find /boot/grub/stage1 grub root (hd0,6) grub setup (hd0,6) grub quit # Why setup didn't get this right via emerge I have no idea, unless it didn't actually do anything toward actually setting Grub up. If so, it could be there was already some mismatched Grub code there already from a previous use of the sectors there that didn't like the file format. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video)
Apparently, though unproven, at 05:28 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Felix Miata did opine thusly: On 2011/05/13 22:35 (GMT-0400) Indi composed: Maybe a stupid question, but have you tried run emerge --sync .bash_history tells me I did this twice prior to your response... and emerge -vauND world yet since installing? ...but not this. Doing so now produces something that is not obvious to me how to respond to: begin screen output These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy =media-libs/libcanberra-0.4[gtk]. !!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request: - media-libs/libcanberra-0.26 (Change USE: +gtk) (dependency required by x11-misc/notification-daemon-0.5.0 [ebuild]) (dependency required by virtual/notification-daemon-0[gnome] [ebuild]) (dependency required by x11-libs/libnotify-0.7.2 [ebuild]) (dependency required by media-video/vlc-1.1.9[libnotify] [ebuild]) (dependency required by media-libs/phonon-vlc-0.3.2 [ebuild]) (dependency required by media-libs/phonon-4.5.0[vlc] [ebuild]) (dependency required by kde-base/kdelibs-4.6.2-r3 [ebuild]) (dependency required by kde-misc/polkit-kde-kcmodules-0.98_pre20101127 [ebuild]) end screen output Is it telling me I have to change my USE from -gtk to +gtk, or can emerging one of those 8 packages listed satisfy the dep? IOW, it's unclear to me what One of the following packages actually refers to. It's telling you that you must enable USE=gtk for libcanberra for that build to succeed. The chain of packages listed won't solve the problem, they are causing it. Easiest is to list gtk in USE in make.conf, then everything that uses gtk will link against it. If you are worried about Gnome, this wil not cause gnome to be installed, just gtk+ -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video)
On 2011/05/14 08:25 (GMT+0200) Alan McKinnon composed: Felix Miata composed: emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy =media-libs/libcanberra-0.4[gtk]. !!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request: - media-libs/libcanberra-0.26 (Change USE: +gtk) (dependency required by x11-misc/notification-daemon-0.5.0 [ebuild]) (dependency required by virtual/notification-daemon-0[gnome] [ebuild]) (dependency required by x11-libs/libnotify-0.7.2 [ebuild]) (dependency required by media-video/vlc-1.1.9[libnotify] [ebuild]) (dependency required by media-libs/phonon-vlc-0.3.2 [ebuild]) (dependency required by media-libs/phonon-4.5.0[vlc] [ebuild]) (dependency required by kde-base/kdelibs-4.6.2-r3 [ebuild]) (dependency required by kde-misc/polkit-kde-kcmodules-0.98_pre20101127 [ebuild]) end screen output Is it telling me I have to change my USE from -gtk to +gtk, or can emerging one of those 8 packages listed satisfy the dep? IOW, it's unclear to me what One of the following packages actually refers to. It's telling you that you must enable USE=gtk for libcanberra for that build to succeed. The chain of packages listed won't solve the problem, they are causing it. That's what I was afraid of, a list of one followed by a genuine list. :-( Easiest is to list gtk in USE in make.conf, then everything that uses gtk will link against it. If you are worried about Gnome, this wil not cause gnome to be installed, just gtk+ Maybe someone can humor me and not go with the easiest route. Let's assume I could live without any Mozilla products or Gimp, and want a system free not just of Gnome but also of GTK. Let's say I'm deaf, and no speakers will ever be attached to the system, which has an onboard sound chip rather than a PCI sound card I could simply remove. What would it take to eliminate this apparent KDE dependence on GTK (and sound support)? How portable is a sound event library that makes KDE depend on GTK? For now, I've cut USE down to only bash-completion ncurses samba slang xattr, but it hasn't helped me to get everything I need to work outside of X. Until I have working NFS and NUM state obeying the BIOS, I have little interest in what's required to make X functional, and no interest in audible notifications. BTW, my 3rd kernel did solve my video on ttys problem, and get me access to my EXT2 partition. :-) -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video)
Apparently, though unproven, at 11:38 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Felix Miata did opine thusly: On 2011/05/14 08:25 (GMT+0200) Alan McKinnon composed: Felix Miata composed: emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy =media-libs/libcanberra-0.4[gtk]. !!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request: - media-libs/libcanberra-0.26 (Change USE: +gtk) (dependency required by x11-misc/notification-daemon-0.5.0 [ebuild]) (dependency required by virtual/notification-daemon-0[gnome] [ebuild]) (dependency required by x11-libs/libnotify-0.7.2 [ebuild]) (dependency required by media-video/vlc-1.1.9[libnotify] [ebuild]) (dependency required by media-libs/phonon-vlc-0.3.2 [ebuild]) (dependency required by media-libs/phonon-4.5.0[vlc] [ebuild]) (dependency required by kde-base/kdelibs-4.6.2-r3 [ebuild]) (dependency required by kde-misc/polkit-kde-kcmodules-0.98_pre20101127 [ebuild]) end screen output Is it telling me I have to change my USE from -gtk to +gtk, or can emerging one of those 8 packages listed satisfy the dep? IOW, it's unclear to me what One of the following packages actually refers to. It's telling you that you must enable USE=gtk for libcanberra for that build to succeed. The chain of packages listed won't solve the problem, they are causing it. That's what I was afraid of, a list of one followed by a genuine list. :-( What's hard about it? You have a failed dependency. The next logical question to ask is what is the dependency? What other package requires this package? The only way to answer that is to list them all recursively, all the way back to the root of the tree. In this case you need libcanberra built with USE=gtk That depends on x11-misc/notification-daemon-0.5.0 Pulled in by virtual/notification-daemon-0 built with USE=gnome and so on and so on. It's a simple graph actually. Easiest is to list gtk in USE in make.conf, then everything that uses gtk will link against it. If you are worried about Gnome, this wil not cause gnome to be installed, just gtk+ Maybe someone can humor me and not go with the easiest route. Let's assume I could live without any Mozilla products or Gimp, and want a system free not just of Gnome but also of GTK. Let's say I'm deaf, and no speakers will ever be attached to the system, which has an onboard sound chip rather than a PCI sound card I could simply remove. What would it take to eliminate this apparent KDE dependence on GTK (and sound support)? How portable is a sound event library that makes KDE depend on GTK? For now, I've cut USE down to only bash-completion ncurses samba slang xattr, but it hasn't helped me to get everything I need to work outside of X. Until I have working NFS and NUM state obeying the BIOS, I have little interest in what's required to make X functional, and no interest in audible notifications. First of all, I don't know what you want. Only you know what you want. KDE does not depend on GTK here. Reading the above list from the bottom up: You want KDE, so you get kdelibs. That gives you phonon with vlc support. vlc (not a KDE package) is configured to use libnotify, which is a gnome package and needs notification-daemon. THAT requires gtk. Lets back up a bit. With something like Ubuntu, someone (the package maintainer) went through a insanely gigantic amount of ball-ache to figure out the dependencies and switch stuff on and off so that you never have to deal with this. The downside is that you get whatever the maintainer felt you should have. gentoo is different - you are in complete control. This means that you have to go through the insanely gigantic ball-ache work yourself. The ebuilds help somewhat with USE flags, so with USE=-gnome -gtk you could disable all optional gnome and gtk dependencies. Sometimes you get a hard dependency that isn't optional, in that case you are SOL and must make a decision whether to have gnome or not. Either way, you get to choose, and you also get to have to think long and hard first. Back to your list. The little fucker that is causing your issue is vlc support and libnotify. Do you want these? Define what you want exactly, and enable or disable USE flags to suit your choices. Do keep in mind that I can't tell you what to do because you haven't really defined what you want yet. I could tell you to add -gnome -gtk -vlc -libnotify to USE in /etc/make.conf and that would certainly obliterate gnome for sure. But it might also be overreaching. BTW, my 3rd kernel did solve my video on ttys problem, and get me access to my EXT2 partition. :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video)
On Saturday 14 May 2011 11:21:51 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 11:38 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Felix Miata did opine thusly: On 2011/05/14 08:25 (GMT+0200) Alan McKinnon composed: Felix Miata composed: Is it telling me I have to change my USE from -gtk to +gtk, or can emerging one of those 8 packages listed satisfy the dep? IOW, it's unclear to me what One of the following packages actually refers to. It's telling you that you must enable USE=gtk for libcanberra for that build to succeed. The chain of packages listed won't solve the problem, they are causing it. [snip... wise advice from Alan ...] Do keep in mind that I can't tell you what to do because you haven't really defined what you want yet. I could tell you to add -gnome -gtk -vlc -libnotify to USE in /etc/make.conf and that would certainly obliterate gnome for sure. But it might also be overreaching. If you want libcanberra and therefore you must have USE=gtk, but you do not want to have any other packages compiled with the gtk USE flag, you can define it only for the package in question by adding a line in /etc/portage/package.use like so: media-libs/libcanberra gtk -oss to e.g. enable the gtk and disable the oss flags. To see whether a flag has been set or not and relevant information about it, run: euse -i flag For libcanberra it shows: [- cD ] gtk (media-libs/libcanberra): Enables building of gtk+ helper library, gtk+ runtime sound effects and the canberra-gtk-play utility. To enable the gtk+ sound effects add canberra-gtk- module to the colon separated list of modules in the GTK_MODULES environment variable. Use option -I to see which packages have been installed using a particular flag. Have a look in man euse to decipher the symbols. To see all the flags for a particular package after it has been installed run: equery uses libcanberra [ Searching for packages matching libcanberra... ] [ Colour Code : set unset ] [ Legend : Left column (U) - USE flags from make.conf ] [: Right column (I) - USE flags packages was installed with ] [ Found these USE variables for media-libs/libcanberra-0.26 ] U I + + alsa : Adds support for media-libs/alsa-lib (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) - - gstreamer : Adds support for media-libs/gstreamer (Streaming media) + + gtk: Adds support for x11-libs/gtk+ (The GIMP Toolkit) - - oss: Adds support for OSS (Open Sound System) - - pulseaudio : Adds support for PulseAudio sound server - + sound : Enable sound support - - tdb: Enables Trivial Database support for caching purposes. You can also check flags and (r)dependencies on line: http://gentoo-portage.com/Browse BTW, my 3rd kernel did solve my video on ttys problem, and get me access to my EXT2 partition. :-) Have you read and applied http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml to find out how to configure your card and xorg? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video)
On 2011/05/14 12:52 (GMT+0100) Mick composed: BTW, my 3rd kernel did solve my video on ttys problem, and get me access to my EXT2 partition. :-) Have you read and applied http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml to find out how to configure your card and xorg? Reading section 2.2 there is how I realized what it was that I had misconfigured previously to cause my video on ttys problem. ;-) My #1 problem to solve is NFS not working yet (nfs-utils aka libevent, portmap, rpc emerge failures), but it would also be very nice to get Grub to emerge. Logs: http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/G/ -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video)
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 05:38:04AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: Felix Miata composed: emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy =media-libs/libcanberra-0.4[gtk]. !!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request: - media-libs/libcanberra-0.26 (Change USE: +gtk) (dependency required by x11-misc/notification-daemon-0.5.0 [ebuild]) (dependency required by virtual/notification-daemon-0[gnome] [ebuild]) (dependency required by x11-libs/libnotify-0.7.2 [ebuild]) (dependency required by media-video/vlc-1.1.9[libnotify] [ebuild]) (dependency required by media-libs/phonon-vlc-0.3.2 [ebuild]) (dependency required by media-libs/phonon-4.5.0[vlc] [ebuild]) (dependency required by kde-base/kdelibs-4.6.2-r3 [ebuild]) (dependency required by kde-misc/polkit-kde-kcmodules-0.98_pre20101127 [ebuild]) end screen output Is it telling me I have to change my USE from -gtk to +gtk, or can emerging one of those 8 packages listed satisfy the dep? IOW, it's unclear to me what One of the following packages actually refers to. It's telling you that you must enable USE=gtk for libcanberra for that build to succeed. The chain of packages listed won't solve the problem, they are causing it. That's what I was afraid of, a list of one followed by a genuine list. :-( Easiest is to list gtk in USE in make.conf, then everything that uses gtk will link against it. If you are worried about Gnome, this wil not cause gnome to be installed, just gtk+ Maybe someone can humor me and not go with the easiest route. Let's assume I could live without any Mozilla products or Gimp, and want a system free not just of Gnome but also of GTK. Let's say I'm deaf, and no speakers will ever be attached to the system, which has an onboard sound chip rather than a PCI sound card I could simply remove. What would it take to eliminate this apparent KDE dependence on GTK (and sound support)? How portable is a sound event library that makes KDE depend on GTK? For now, I've cut USE down to only bash-completion ncurses samba slang xattr, but it hasn't helped me to get everything I need to work outside of X. The above listing shows that phonon will be built with the vlc use flag, so clearly you haven't trimmed USE down to just bash-completion, ncurses, samba, slang, xattr. In fact, if you had done so you would've also trimmed out cxx, posix, and threads, which would probably not be the best idea. So for concreteness, can you post the complete USE list, _not_ the list in /etc/make.conf, since that does not show you the USE enabled *by default* on whichever profile you have chosen to use. To get the list of all USE flags, try emerge --info In this particular case, you can consider adding -vlc to your USE and try again. W -- Willie W. Wong ww...@math.princeton.edu Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire et vice versa ~~~ I. Newton
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video)
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 08:30:02AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 05:28 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Felix Miata did opine thusly: Is it telling me I have to change my USE from -gtk to +gtk, or can emerging one of those 8 packages listed satisfy the dep? IOW, it's unclear to me what One of the following packages actually refers to. It's telling you that you must enable USE=gtk for libcanberra for that build to succeed. The chain of packages listed won't solve the problem, they are causing it. Easiest is to list gtk in USE in make.conf, then everything that uses gtk will link against it. If you are worried about Gnome, this wil not cause gnome to be installed, just gtk+ True, just be aware that if you enable gtk *globally* you will end up building the gtk interface for absolutely everything which has that option. Far better (IMO, YMMV) is to use /etc/portage/package.use specify such things per package. Unless, of course, you like having a gtk GUI for everything. :) -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video)
On 2011/05/14 10:37 (GMT-0400) Indi composed: On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 08:30:02 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: It's telling you that you must enable USE=gtk for libcanberra for that build to succeed. The chain of packages listed won't solve the problem, they are causing it. Easiest is to list gtk in USE in make.conf, then everything that uses gtk will link against it. If you are worried about Gnome, this wil not cause gnome to be installed, just gtk+ True, just be aware that if you enable gtk *globally* you will end up building the gtk interface for absolutely everything which has that option. Far better (IMO, YMMV) is to use /etc/portage/package.use specify such things per package. Unless, of course, you like having a gtk GUI for everything. :) Yes, for sure. :-) -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video)
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 05:00:03PM +0200, Felix Miata wrote: On 2011/05/14 10:37 (GMT-0400) Indi composed: Far better (IMO, YMMV) is to use /etc/portage/package.use specify such things per package. Unless, of course, you like having a gtk GUI for everything. :) Yes, for sure. :-) Also, have you seen this page? http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Kernel_Mode_Setting#Forcing_a_Resolution -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video)
On 2011/05/14 10:06 (GMT-0400) Willie Wong composed: The above listing shows that phonon will be built with the vlc use flag, so clearly you haven't trimmed USE down to just bash-completion, ncurses, samba, slang, xattr. In fact, if you had done so you would've also trimmed out cxx, posix, and threads, which would probably not be the best idea. The timestamp on my make.conf(.07) file on display at http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/G/ shows a last written considerably earlier than I last wrote, but ... So for concreteness, can you post the complete USE list, _not_ the list in /etc/make.conf, since that does not show you the USE enabled *by default* on whichever profile you have chosen to use. To get the Of this I was totally unaware. So now I know I probably should not have selected the kde profile on first try, but instead selected a minimal and only after being happy with the basics changing to kde. Does [1] default/linux/x86/10.0 from 'eselect profile list' amount to a minimal install (no X)? If so, is there any reason not to switch to it instead of setting -vlc, and then later when actually ready to enable X, switching back to kde? What is the [7] hardened/linux/x86 profile, or better yet, the incantation to get descriptions descriptions of all the available targets? list of all USE flags, try emerge --info About 1.6 screens full, including what looks like a bazillion things in USE=. It looks like USE= ends with zlib, and then until the appearance of Unset:, everything in between is appended without any newlines, among them, PHP_TARGETS, GPSD_PROTOCOLS APACHE2. Yikes! http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/G/emergeinfo1.txt In this particular case, you can consider adding -vlc to your USE and try again. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video)
On 2011/05/14 11:04 (GMT-0400) Indi composed: Felix Miata wrote: On 2011/05/14 10:37 (GMT-0400) Indi composed: Far better (IMO, YMMV) is to use /etc/portage/package.use specify such things per package. Unless, of course, you like having a gtk GUI for everything. :) Yes, for sure. :-) Also, have you seen this page? http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Kernel_Mode_Setting#Forcing_a_Resolution I hadn't. That and its referenced commit message are good resources. :-) I'd already tried various video= incantations based upon something I read elsewhere. With this GeForce2 MX400 video card, video=1152x864-24@60 discombobulates the ttys, while both video=1152x864-32@60 and (plain) video=1152x864 apparently work fine. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video)
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 11:07:33AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: Does [1] default/linux/x86/10.0 from 'eselect profile list' amount to a minimal install (no X)? If so, is there any reason not to switch to it instead of setting -vlc, and then later when actually ready to enable X, switching back to kde? There's no big harm, except that you may end up rebuilding a bunch of packages. One way to get a lot of hands-on control on precisely what USE you want it via the -* flag. But be VERY careful if you are going to use it. A USE variable set in /etc/make.conf starting with it USE=-* X vim ... will use nothing but those variables (plus the package specific ones specified in /etc/portage). There are certain flags that you most likely don't want to turn off: cxx, posix, and threads for example. It is a powerful tool; which means you can also seriously hurt yourself from it. Note that the profiles are not only if things. You can still run the KDE desktop without being on the KDE profile. You should think of the profile as a default bundle that the developers think you may like if you want to use KDE. You can of course completely customise it just from the default/linux/x86/10.0 profile. So if you start your system on this profile, and build it up to your liking, there's no need to switch over to the KDE profile. What is the [7] hardened/linux/x86 profile, or better yet, the incantation to get descriptions descriptions of all the available targets? hardened is maintained by the gentoo hardened project http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/hardened/ If this is a desktop you probably don't want to use it. And SELinux you can just google to find out. W -- Willie W. Wong ww...@math.princeton.edu Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire et vice versa ~~~ I. Newton
Re: [gentoo-user] chicken -- egg (NFS tty video)
On Saturday 14 May 2011 16:07:33 Felix Miata wrote: Does [1] default/linux/x86/10.0 from 'eselect profile list' amount to a minimal install (no X)? If so, is there any reason not to switch to it instead of setting -vlc, and then later when actually ready to enable X, switching back to kde? If you want the full KDE then select the kde desktop profile. If you instead want a slimmer, generic desktop you can consider: $ ls -la /etc/make.profile lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 56 Dec 16 15:00 /etc/make.profile - ../usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop This is what I use and the vlc USE flag is not set by it as a default: $ euse -i vlc global use flags (searching: vlc) no matching entries found local use flags (searching: vlc) [-] vlc (media-libs/phonon): Install VLC Phonon backend What is the [7] hardened/linux/x86 profile, or better yet, the incantation to get descriptions descriptions of all the available targets? Have a look under /usr/portage/profiles/targets/* You want to look at the make.default files in there for each respective profile. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 05:20:01PM +0200, Felix Miata wrote: On 2011/05/14 10:06 (GMT-0400) Willie Wong composed: The above listing shows that phonon will be built with the vlc use flag, so clearly you haven't trimmed USE down to just bash-completion, ncurses, samba, slang, xattr. In fact, if you had done so you would've also trimmed out cxx, posix, and threads, which would probably not be the best idea. The timestamp on my make.conf(.07) file on display at http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/G/ shows a last written considerably earlier than I last wrote, but ... So for concreteness, can you post the complete USE list, _not_ the list in /etc/make.conf, since that does not show you the USE enabled *by default* on whichever profile you have chosen to use. To get the Of this I was totally unaware. So now I know I probably should not have selected the kde profile on first try, but instead selected a minimal and only after being happy with the basics changing to kde. Does [1] default/linux/x86/10.0 from 'eselect profile list' amount to a minimal install (no X)? If so, is there any reason not to switch to it instead of setting -vlc, and then later when actually ready to enable X, switching back to kde? What is the [7] hardened/linux/x86 profile, or better yet, the incantation to get descriptions descriptions of all the available targets? Use eselect for that, try eselect profile help for more info. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
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Apparently, though unproven, at 16:37 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 08:30:02AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 05:28 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Felix Miata did opine thusly: Is it telling me I have to change my USE from -gtk to +gtk, or can emerging one of those 8 packages listed satisfy the dep? IOW, it's unclear to me what One of the following packages actually refers to. It's telling you that you must enable USE=gtk for libcanberra for that build to succeed. The chain of packages listed won't solve the problem, they are causing it. Easiest is to list gtk in USE in make.conf, then everything that uses gtk will link against it. If you are worried about Gnome, this wil not cause gnome to be installed, just gtk+ True, just be aware that if you enable gtk *globally* you will end up building the gtk interface for absolutely everything which has that option. Far better (IMO, YMMV) is to use /etc/portage/package.use specify such things per package. Unless, of course, you like having a gtk GUI for everything. :) No, it is much better to enable such a flag globally and *disable* it using package.use where you do *not* want it. Personally, I have better things to do than examine every new or changed package that shows up after avuND world and edit package.us for every single flag in that huge list. If a user has gtk+ installed, the common case is that they will want to use it globally due to gnome being present. Or they have a different WM but need gtk for something (eg wicd, whose kde interface sucks) and then they might as well just build gtk support for everything. It's not that much extra time or resources. There are always exceptions of course. Such as USE=ldap. It's widely used, but you might not want it globally enabled as USE=ldap translates to many different kinds of support in many different ebuilds (think of all the wildly varied things you could do with ldap). Dealing with each case on it's own merits in package.use make sense here, it's what I do. Whereas USE=gtk pretty much always translates to muchly the same thing everywhere - build the package so that it's gui uses that toolkit. For most folk, globally in make.conf makes sense. One size fits all does not work with advice on USE flags. The only thing that works is this: Make up your own damn mind. Your stuff is different to my stuff. ;-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 05:53:56PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 16:37 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: True, just be aware that if you enable gtk *globally* you will end up building the gtk interface for absolutely everything which has that option. Far better (IMO, YMMV) is to use /etc/portage/package.use specify such things per package. Unless, of course, you like having a gtk GUI for everything. :) No, it is much better to enable such a flag globally and *disable* it using package.use where you do *not* want it. Personally, I have better things to do than examine every new or changed package that shows up after avuND world and edit package.us for every single flag in that huge list. Sounds like the old 6 of one, a half-dozen of the other to me... What makes the subtractive method better? -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
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On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 12:01:20PM -0400, Indi wrote: Sounds like the old 6 of one, a half-dozen of the other to me... What makes the subtractive method better? This is how I interpret Alan's message: For certain flags when you enable it for a package you will have to also enable it for its dependencies. So you'll have to chase down the dependency tree if you enable a flag for a user package and several of the libraries it uses need the flag too, which may end up requiring doing several emerge --pretend cycles to sort out. Whereas if you subtract functionality, you usually won't have to change the libraries. (The corollary being that if you are going to remove functionality from the libraries, you should do so by globally removing the use flag, rather than on the package level.) W -- Willie W. Wong ww...@math.princeton.edu Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire et vice versa ~~~ I. Newton
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On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 09:00:02PM +0200, Willie Wong wrote: On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 12:01:20PM -0400, Indi wrote: Sounds like the old 6 of one, a half-dozen of the other to me... What makes the subtractive method better? This is how I interpret Alan's message: For certain flags when you enable it for a package you will have to also enable it for its dependencies. So you'll have to chase down the dependency tree if you enable a flag for a user package and several of the libraries it uses need the flag too, which may end up requiring doing several emerge --pretend cycles to sort out. Whereas if you subtract functionality, you usually won't have to change the libraries. (The corollary being that if you are going to remove functionality from the libraries, you should do so by globally removing the use flag, rather than on the package level.) Well perhaps it's nitpicking, but I like my systems as lean as possible. I almost never emerge anything without -av options, just so I can say no and edit package.use if need be. It rarely causes more than a few extra seconds to be consumed, since my needs don't change terribly often. Depends on how one uses the system, I suppose... -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
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On Saturday 14 May 2011 20:06:18 Indi wrote: On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 09:00:02PM +0200, Willie Wong wrote: On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 12:01:20PM -0400, Indi wrote: Sounds like the old 6 of one, a half-dozen of the other to me... What makes the subtractive method better? This is how I interpret Alan's message: For certain flags when you enable it for a package you will have to also enable it for its dependencies. So you'll have to chase down the dependency tree if you enable a flag for a user package and several of the libraries it uses need the flag too, which may end up requiring doing several emerge --pretend cycles to sort out. Whereas if you subtract functionality, you usually won't have to change the libraries. (The corollary being that if you are going to remove functionality from the libraries, you should do so by globally removing the use flag, rather than on the package level.) Well perhaps it's nitpicking, but I like my systems as lean as possible. I almost never emerge anything without -av options, just so I can say no and edit package.use if need be. It rarely causes more than a few extra seconds to be consumed, since my needs don't change terribly often. Depends on how one uses the system, I suppose... Except when 260+ packages need updating as it happened with the last KDE upgrade. I had a cursory look, but I missed some USE flag changes (scanner, rdesktop and vnc I think) which started removing packages and libraries. Other flag changes may well have added packages that I didn't need, but didn't have the time to go through the lot at the time. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 10:00:03PM +0200, Mick wrote: Except when 260+ packages need updating as it happened with the last KDE upgrade. I had a cursory look, but I missed some USE flag changes (scanner, rdesktop and vnc I think) which started removing packages and libraries. Other flag changes may well have added packages that I didn't need, but didn't have the time to go through the lot at the time. You have a point; my systems are probably far leaner than the average desktop user's since I don't really use a full-blown DE and tend to use the CLI versions of many things. I do like a bit of eyecandy though, as you can see: http://openbox.org/wiki/Image:Screenshot-dual-ob-20110513a-sm.jpg :) -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
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Apparently, though unproven, at 18:01 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 05:53:56PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 16:37 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: True, just be aware that if you enable gtk *globally* you will end up building the gtk interface for absolutely everything which has that option. Far better (IMO, YMMV) is to use /etc/portage/package.use specify such things per package. Unless, of course, you like having a gtk GUI for everything. :) No, it is much better to enable such a flag globally and *disable* it using package.use where you do *not* want it. Personally, I have better things to do than examine every new or changed package that shows up after avuND world and edit package.us for every single flag in that huge list. Sounds like the old 6 of one, a half-dozen of the other to me... What makes the subtractive method better? It's not subtractive as disabling a flag globally and enabling it when needed is the same thing negated. I'm pointing out that by their nature, most global USE flags are exactly that - intended to be global, especially those in use.desc. For the most part the user will want the support they provide to be global. When that is not the case (the lesser case), an option exists to override the global setting in package.use What you proposed is that one never use global flags and always enable/disable them package by package. That gets really tedious with flags used in many ebuilds, such as USE=gtk. Abstaction is good, leverage it to gain the benefits when it works in your favour. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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Apparently, though unproven, at 21:51 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Mick did opine thusly: Well perhaps it's nitpicking, but I like my systems as lean as possible. I almost never emerge anything without -av options, just so I can say no and edit package.use if need be. It rarely causes more than a few extra seconds to be consumed, since my needs don't change terribly often. Depends on how one uses the system, I suppose... Except when 260+ packages need updating as it happened with the last KDE upgrade. I had a cursory look, but I missed some USE flag changes (scanner, rdesktop and vnc I think) which started removing packages and libraries. Other flag changes may well have added packages that I didn't need, but didn't have the time to go through the lot at the time. Is your emerge output colorized? USE flag changes show up in green and the status indicators inside [ebuild ] at the start of lines are in yellow. It's a huge gain being able to pick out the few new things that really stand out that way. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 11:00:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 18:01 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: Sounds like the old 6 of one, a half-dozen of the other to me... What makes the subtractive method better? It's not subtractive as disabling a flag globally and enabling it when needed is the same thing negated. I'm pointing out that by their nature, most global USE flags are exactly that - intended to be global, especially those in use.desc. For the most part the user will want the support they provide to be global. When that is not the case (the lesser case), an option exists to override the global setting in package.use What you proposed is that one never use global flags and always enable/disable them package by package. That gets really tedious with flags used in many ebuilds, such as USE=gtk. Abstaction is good, leverage it to gain the benefits when it works in your favour. No, I do not propose that one never use global use flags. I just employ them very selectively, which is best for my needs. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
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On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 11:36:29AM -0400, Willie Wong wrote: There's no big harm, except that you may end up rebuilding a bunch of packages. One way to get a lot of hands-on control on precisely what USE you want it via the -* flag. But be VERY careful if you are going to use it. A USE variable set in /etc/make.conf starting with it USE=-* X vim ... will use nothing but those variables (plus the package specific ones specified in /etc/portage). There are certain flags that you most likely don't want to turn off: cxx, posix, and threads for example. It is a powerful tool; which means you can also seriously hurt yourself from it. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS. It turns off all use flags set in profiles as well as use flag defaults set in ebuilds. The safer way, and the way I would recommend, is to use something like euse from gentoolkit to figure out which flags are on and turn off the ones you do not want in make.conf instead of turning off everything and trying to turn back on the ones you do want. William pgpw6XR1WqPAd.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Apparently, though unproven, at 23:09 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: No, I do not propose that one never use global use flags. I just employ them very selectively, which is best for my needs. OK. I'll take that as clarifying what you said earlier. Thanks for that. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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Apparently, though unproven, at 23:21 on Saturday 14 May 2011, William Hubbs did opine thusly: On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 11:36:29AM -0400, Willie Wong wrote: There's no big harm, except that you may end up rebuilding a bunch of packages. One way to get a lot of hands-on control on precisely what USE you want it via the -* flag. But be VERY careful if you are going to use it. A USE variable set in /etc/make.conf starting with it USE=-* X vim ... will use nothing but those variables (plus the package specific ones specified in /etc/portage). There are certain flags that you most likely don't want to turn off: cxx, posix, and threads for example. It is a powerful tool; which means you can also seriously hurt yourself from it. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS. It turns off all use flags set in profiles as well as use flag defaults set in ebuilds. The safer way, and the way I would recommend, is to use something like euse from gentoolkit to figure out which flags are on and turn off the ones you do not want in make.conf instead of turning off everything and trying to turn back on the ones you do want. Agreed. emerge --info | grep USE reveals what an enormous task it is to fix USE=-*. Not only an enormous task but a fruitless one too - most of the flags will just get re-enabled! Most people advocating this on list threads and forums, want a minimal system without all the KDE/Gnome/etc bloat. The correct way to do that is to use a minimal profile then examine the now much smaller emerge --info and disabled the few remiaining USE flags one does not want. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 12:10:01AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 23:09 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: No, I do not propose that one never use global use flags. I just employ them very selectively, which is best for my needs. OK. I'll take that as clarifying what you said earlier. Thanks for that. Sorry, maybe I could have been more clear. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
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On 5/14/2011 12:01 PM, Indi wrote: On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 05:53:56PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 16:37 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: True, just be aware that if you enable gtk *globally* you will end up building the gtk interface for absolutely everything which has that option. Far better (IMO, YMMV) is to use /etc/portage/package.use specify such things per package. Unless, of course, you like having a gtk GUI for everything. :) No, it is much better to enable such a flag globally and *disable* it using package.use where you do *not* want it. Personally, I have better things to do than examine every new or changed package that shows up after avuND world and edit package.us for every single flag in that huge list. Sounds like the old 6 of one, a half-dozen of the other to me... What makes the subtractive method better? Actually its more like the old use whichever way makes sense for the situation. :) Its mostly a matter of probability. If I'm using a GNOME desktop then I probably *do* want the GTK+ for any packages that support it; the same argument goes for KDE and Qt. Similarly, if my system is on a Windows AD domain, I probably want samba, ldap, and kerberos support for any utilities that have it. If I'm using bash completion packages, I don't want to worry about which packages do/don't have one, I just want them installed. These type of flags have essentially the same effect on every package, and as Alan said, there's no need to waste time checking if each package does or doesn't support GTK individually if you're always going to enable it anyway. OTOH, I probably don't want to set a USE flag like 'extras' or 'doc' globally. In those cases I'll turn it on when needed. Similarly, USE flags that only applies to one package (like net-print/hplip snmp scanner hpcups new-hpcups hpijs) don't make sense globally, so they are best left to package.use. --Mike
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On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 03:10:02AM +0200, Felix Miata wrote: Yesterday I attempted my first Gentoo install (11.0). Thanks to help here, I got through my mirrorselect problem. First boot failed. I managed to miss enabling VIA ATA support, so had no access to /. Second kernel build suceeded, even to basic network working. First activity on first boot was 'emerge mc'. That took too long to measure, pulling in 146 packages total, and I had to goto an appointment before it finished (at package 109). Along the way to successful boot, I attempted two emerges suggested by the handbook (one being Grub Legacy). Both produced ERROR: ... (compile phase)... errors. Today I attempted NFS mounting only to find messages indicating I had neither portmap nor rpcbind running, so tried 'emerge portmap'. This produced similar (compile phase)... line 2140: Called die... error. So did 'emerge rpcbind'. The way I normally provide logs when asking for help is put them on my file/web server via NFS, hence the chicken egg subject line. Maybe a stupid question, but have you tried run emerge --sync and emerge -vauND world yet since installing? Another problem, highly annoying, is both vga= and video= cmdline parameters are apparently being ignored. KMS seems married to the Trinitron's PreferredMode (1600x1200), which produces mousetype on the ttys, and needs to be fixed before I'll be able to accomplish much without pain trying to see what I'm doing. My tty PreferredMode is 1152x864, which works with openSUSE KMS kernels by setting video=1152x864 on cmdline. Any suggestions? Are such things in a FAQ somewhere? Do I need an older or newer portage than Wednesday's? The Handbook stops at Finalizing, where these questions aren't covered. Do you have your video card specified in make.conf? Should be somthing like: VIDEO_CARDS=radeon -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
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Indi writes: On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 03:10:02AM +0200, Felix Miata wrote: Along the way to successful boot, I attempted two emerges suggested by the handbook (one being Grub Legacy). Both produced ERROR: ... (compile phase)... errors. If you like, post the messages here. Be sure to include enough of the log, from the first error message on. Today I attempted NFS mounting only to find messages indicating I had neither portmap nor rpcbind running, so tried 'emerge portmap'. This produced similar (compile phase)... line 2140: Called die... error. So did 'emerge rpcbind'. The way I normally provide logs when asking for help is put them on my file/web server via NFS, hence the chicken egg subject line. Have you emerged nfs-utils? Is /etc/init.d/nfs running? This should take care of everything I think. Maybe a stupid question, but have you tried run emerge --sync and emerge -vauND world yet since installing? Another problem, highly annoying, is both vga= and video= cmdline parameters are apparently being ignored. KMS seems married to the Trinitron's PreferredMode (1600x1200), which produces mousetype on the ttys, and needs to be fixed before I'll be able to accomplish much without pain trying to see what I'm doing. My tty PreferredMode is 1152x864, which works with openSUSE KMS kernels by setting video=1152x864 on cmdline. I just switched to KMS mode, and was happy that without doing anything I had the natural resolution of my display. Don't know how to change this though. Does kernel command line parameter vga=ask still work maybe? Any suggestions? Are such things in a FAQ somewhere? Do I need an older or newer portage than Wednesday's? The Handbook stops at Finalizing, where these questions aren't covered. There are several more howtos on gentoo.org, but I don't know if NFS and console display are covered. Do you have your video card specified in make.conf? Should be somthing like: VIDEO_CARDS=radeon I think that's for X-related stuff only. Wonko
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On 2011/05/13 22:35 (GMT-0400) Indi composed: Maybe a stupid question, but have you tried run emerge --sync .bash_history tells me I did this twice prior to your response... and emerge -vauND world yet since installing? ...but not this. Doing so now produces something that is not obvious to me how to respond to: begin screen output These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy =media-libs/libcanberra-0.4[gtk]. !!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request: - media-libs/libcanberra-0.26 (Change USE: +gtk) (dependency required by x11-misc/notification-daemon-0.5.0 [ebuild]) (dependency required by virtual/notification-daemon-0[gnome] [ebuild]) (dependency required by x11-libs/libnotify-0.7.2 [ebuild]) (dependency required by media-video/vlc-1.1.9[libnotify] [ebuild]) (dependency required by media-libs/phonon-vlc-0.3.2 [ebuild]) (dependency required by media-libs/phonon-4.5.0[vlc] [ebuild]) (dependency required by kde-base/kdelibs-4.6.2-r3 [ebuild]) (dependency required by kde-misc/polkit-kde-kcmodules-0.98_pre20101127 [ebuild]) end screen output Is it telling me I have to change my USE from -gtk to +gtk, or can emerging one of those 8 packages listed satisfy the dep? IOW, it's unclear to me what One of the following packages actually refers to. Do you have your video card specified in make.conf? Should be somthing like: VIDEO_CARDS=radeon I hadn't seen anything about VIDEO_CARDS until your response. Most of my systems are mga, intel or radeon, but this particular one is NV. Finding the answer to which of three possibles are the correct response led me to http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml which I hadn't seen before. Now that I have I think I need to recompile due to misconfiguring of Graphics support. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
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On 2011/05/14 05:19 (GMT+0200) Alex Schuster composed: Indi writes: Felix Miata wrote: Along the way to successful boot, I attempted two emerges suggested by the handbook (one being Grub Legacy). Both produced ERROR: ... (compile phase)... errors. If you like, post the messages here. Be sure to include enough of the log, from the first error message on. Still the same problem, needing to get the log off the system onto the server or into an email without working NFS or rebooting to something with working NFS. So, I've booted into SUSE. Logs for 6 failed emerges are in http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/G/ I'm chrooted into Gentoo for now to try and fix whatever's broken, and get to use legible tty fonts that way in the mean time, e.g. while rebuilding kernel with proper tty video selections, and ext4 instead of ext3. Have you emerged nfs-utils? Is /etc/init.d/nfs running? This should take care of everything I think. # emerge nfs-utils produces errors for dev-libs/libevent-2.0.10 twice. Maybe a stupid question, but have you tried run emerge --sync and emerge -vauND world yet since installing? Another problem, highly annoying, is both vga= and video= cmdline parameters are apparently being ignored. KMS seems married to the Trinitron's PreferredMode (1600x1200), which produces mousetype on the ttys, and needs to be fixed before I'll be able to accomplish much without pain trying to see what I'm doing. My tty PreferredMode is 1152x864, which works with openSUSE KMS kernels by setting video=1152x864 on cmdline. Never solved the above in Fedora either. It's the same problem here. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=701190 I just switched to KMS mode, and was happy that without doing anything I had the natural resolution of my display. Don't know how to change this Natural resolution is fine in X, because I can force DPI and tweak fonts easily. In ttys the only way that ever worked easily was via vga=, which doesn't work with KMS. though. Does kernel command line parameter vga=ask still work maybe? It does produce a modes list as before, but whatever is selected is ignored unless using a video chip that lacks KMS support, like mga or r128. There are several more howtos on gentoo.org, but I don't know if NFS and console display are covered. I'll look while the kernel is recompiling. VIDEO_CARDS=radeon I think that's for X-related stuff only. Related question: Is there any way to get BIOS setting for NUMLOCK state to be obeyed? emerge can't find a setleds or numlock package except as relates to X. Both Mandriva openSUSE obey BIOS NUM state automatically. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
