Re: [gentoo-user] porno filtering using squid?
On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 14:10 -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: znx wrote: How about Squid Guard? http://www.squidguard.org/ With free blacklists http://ftp.tdcnorge.no/pub/www/proxy/squidGuard/contrib/ I use both of these and it works pretty darn well. Configuring per user is straight forward, although setting up anything other than identd is a bit of a troubesome scenario. Tom Veldhouse Back when I was a system administrator at a high school, we used SquidGuard, a collection of black-lists and users were authenticated by their Windows 2000 (yeck!) Active-Directory login. IIRC It was reasonably easy to configure, the hard part was maintaining block-lists because if you block sites incorrectly, you get bitched at by teachers, if you let porn through you get bitched at by the teachers, and you have around 1000 student's trying to circumvent the system, with things such as Coral Cache and Google translate. My 2 cents, Dave Cameron signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] porno filtering using squid?
Hi, On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:37:25 +0100 Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://dansguardian.org/?page=copyright2 I read that as your friend can download it for non-commercial use then distribute it to you for free under the GPL for you to use for commercial purposes. I don't agree. In my opinion the legal status of this document is that it carries two licences but no option to freely chose between them if you're using it commercially. It's GPLed only in a non-commercial context. You'd need a lawyer (most probably this isn't enough, you'd need a court and a judge's decision instead) to exactly analyze the clause and it's problematic upon downloading clause. It says GPLed (and even has some mentioning of RMS) but it isn't clearly GPL, though. In the mentioned way to circumvent the license, there's the question if - redistributing to another (commercial) party is relicencing (only the author - or holder of copyright in other countries' laws - can do this) - the GPL really is a GPL here. -hwh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] porno filtering using squid?
Michael Crute schreef: On 10/15/05, Renat Golubchyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 04:43:18 +0600 Gentoo Shadow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it free to use for commercial purposes? It's GPL. After a fashion. Read the pricing page. -Mike I've gotta say, I would avoid this on general principle after reading the pricing page (and the license): We are not Value Added Tax registered as the revenue is too small so there is no VAT to pay within the EU. The EURO prices are the same as USD. However the *value* of the U.S. Dollar is not the same as the Euro, so if you pay in Euros, you're actually paying *more* than the American customers-- you might even still save money if you paid the fees to convert to USD from Euros (since there's no VAT). It's not like PayPal cares what currency you pay in, so it's within the realm of possiblility that you could do that). What you will get By paying for a download license for DansGuardian you will get: * A nice warm fuzzy feeling inside knowing you are supporting Open Source development and so all humanity. * A license to download DansGuardian 2. * Free public non-commercial support via the mailing list. * Free upgrades as they become available. By paying for a download license for DansGuardian you will *not* get: * A guarantee of anything from me. * Commercial support. * DansGuardian on any physical media. * Printed documentation. So I'm paying for what, exactly? Certainly not most of the features that I would normally expect as a commercial customer (no support, no media, no docs, no *guarantees* I mean, geez). Commercial Support As of 1st Jan 2003, there is no commercial support available from the author. This is due to a lack of time to adequately provide support. Anyone who has purchased support will be honoured until 1st June 2003. If you require commercial support, you have two possibilities: * (a) Purchase a commercial version of DansGuardian which comes with support such as SmoothGuardian. This is highly recommended software and is the only commercial software using DansGuardian technology that is officially endorsed. All other software using DansGuardian is not official. SmoothGuardian has resellers all over the world who will be able to talk to you in your timezone and bill you in your local currency. * (b) Purchase support from an IT consultant in your area. You are allowed to solicit for commercial support on the mailing list. So when I pay for the app, I don't get support unless I pay for support from someone else. Rght. Will the author of this included Smooth Guardian support me? I don't know... but I should know, before I shell out at least 90 euros for this application. Not to mention, if I'm paying the author money, why doesn't he have time to support me? Or share his profits with someone to support me if he's physically incapable for some reason? I find it unbelievable that the author would expect me to accept these conditions (but then, people accept a lot of conditions that I find unbelievable, chief among them that it's OK and normal to reformat and reinstall your OS to solve a relatively minor technical problem that the OS-- which you paid for-- does not allow you to fix in any other way. So clearly I am not normal in my understanding of what constitutes a reasonable condition in this regard). Plus this insanely confusing license that does not really make it clear what the rights and privileges that *I have paid for* actually are? No, thanks thank goodness I have no need for this application. Because I'd tie myself into a pretzel before using it, no matter how much I needed it. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] porno filtering using squid?
On Oct 17, 2005, at 2:18 pm, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: http://dansguardian.org/?page=copyright2 I read that as your friend can download it for non-commercial use then distribute it to you for free under the GPL for you to use for commercial purposes. I don't agree. In my opinion the legal status of this document is that it carries two licences but no option to freely chose between them if you're using it commercially... I meant to say in my last post - this is, in this instance, a pretty academic argument. The licensing cost for DansGuardian is pennies (less than £0.50 on 100 machines, for big ISPs less than £0.15) per machine. The cost of getting a lawyer to interpret our arguments would surely exceed this, and the money would be far better spent supporting the author of this open-source software. But I like academic arguments. :D Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] porno filtering using squid?
On Oct 17, 2005, at 2:18 pm, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: http://dansguardian.org/?page=copyright2 I read that as your friend can download it for non-commercial use then distribute it to you for free under the GPL for you to use for commercial purposes. I don't agree. In my opinion the legal status of this document is that it carries two licences but no option to freely chose between them if you're using it commercially. I read that as the terms of the download, true enough, but once the author licenses to a non-commercial user under the GPL he licenses them to: ... copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's source code as you receive it, in any medium, provided that you conspicuously and appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty; keep intact all the notices that refer to this License and to the absence of any warranty; and give any other recipients of the Program a copy of this License along with the Program. ... In the mentioned way to circumvent the license, there's the question if - the GPL really is a GPL here. ISTM that if he's licensed the code to non-commercial users under the GPL then the GPL must really be the GPL. I do see your point, but I don't see how the author could dispute the above text of the license he's issued. There are some parallels to Sveasoft's position here - they'll give the GPL source code to registered users who pay for it but they'll cancel your registration ban you from their forums if you do redistribute it under the GPL. Although I think this is highly unethical (considering that their GPL code is derived from other peoples' work) and that it places further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted it's worth noting that neither has it been challenged legally, nor has Sveasoft made any attempt to pursue legally anyone for redistribution. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] porno filtering using squid?
On 10/17/05, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2005, at 2:18 pm, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: http://dansguardian.org/?page=copyright2 I read that as your friend can download it for non-commercial use then distribute it to you for free under the GPL for you to use for commercial purposes. I don't agree. In my opinion the legal status of this document is that it carries two licences but no option to freely chose between them if you're using it commercially. OK I have read this thing probably a dozen times and here is really what I understand him to say. You are not buying licenses to the code or the use of that code. The code in itself is GPL regardless of who you are (commercial or not). The license you are paying for is the ability to download the code from his site. Private users can download the code as much as they would like but commercial users can only download once unless they buy a license then they can download as much as they want. Thus if you use a distro like Debian you can install the package and be legally OK because you didn't download the code from his site, you downloaded the binary from Debian. So its all about downloads not really selective licensing if I read this correctly. -Mike-- Michael E. CruteSoftware DeveloperSoftGroup Development CorporationLinux, because reboots are for installing hardware.In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?
Re: [gentoo-user] porno filtering using squid?
How about Squid Guard? http://www.squidguard.org/ With free blacklists http://ftp.tdcnorge.no/pub/www/proxy/squidGuard/contrib/ Which you can vet .. add some remove some.. On 15/10/05, Gentoo Shadow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear friends, 1) how to band(block) porno web url(s)+web contents using squid-cache server? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] porno filtering using squid?
znx wrote: How about Squid Guard? http://www.squidguard.org/ With free blacklists http://ftp.tdcnorge.no/pub/www/proxy/squidGuard/contrib/ I use both of these and it works pretty darn well. Configuring per user is straight forward, although setting up anything other than identd is a bit of a troubesome scenario. Tom Veldhouse -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] porno filtering using squid?
On Sun, 2005-10-16 at 09:51 +0600, Gentoo Shadow wrote: how about de squidguard? its working with squid. is it has a online tool(online update de blacklist db file or like)? Just thread with caution here, sometimes the robot gets carried away, never had an issue with porn category that I recall, but using drugs it would wack news site, this was very rare but always made for some fun in the shop :-) Regards, Ted -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] porno filtering using squid?
On Oct 16, 2005, at 1:21 am, Michael Crute wrote: On 10/15/05, Renat Golubchyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it free to use for commercial purposes? It's GPL. After a fashion. Read the pricing page. http://dansguardian.org/?page=copyright2 I read that as your friend can download it for non-commercial use then distribute it to you for free under the GPL for you to use for commercial purposes. Unless I'm interpreting this incorrectly then I find this slightly whacky. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] porno filtering using squid?
Gentoo Shadow wrote: dear friends, 1) how to band(block) porno web url(s)+web contents using squid-cache server? 2) which filtering tool is de best for a internet-cafe? Have a look at Dans Guardian, it works with squid to do just that. I know of entire ISP's using it. I think the ebuild is dansguardian. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] porno filtering using squid?
is it free to use for commercial purposes?On 10/16/05, fire-eyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gentoo Shadow wrote: dear friends, 1) how to band(block) porno web url(s)+web contents using squid-cache server? 2) which filtering tool is de best for a internet-cafe?Have a look at Dans Guardian, it works with squid to do just that. Iknow of entire ISP's using it.I think the ebuild is dansguardian. --gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list-- ...The future lies ahead. ___ Have you mooed today? ---\^__^ \ (oo) \___ (__) \ )\/\||--w||| ||Gentoo Linux 2.6.12-gentoo-r4-AIT-v3.3#
Re: [gentoo-user] porno filtering using squid?
Gentoo Shadow wrote: dear friends, 1) how to band(block) porno web url(s)+web contents using squid-cache server? 2) which filtering tool is de best for a internet-cafe? On 10/16/05, *fire-eyes* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have a look at Dans Guardian, it works with squid to do just that. I know of entire ISP's using it. I think the ebuild is dansguardian. Then Gentoo Shadow wrote: is it free to use for commercial purposes? And I answered: No. http://dansguardian.org/?page=pricing -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] porno filtering using squid?
On 10/15/05, Renat Golubchyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 04:43:18 +0600 Gentoo Shadow [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: is it free to use for commercial purposes?It's GPL. After a fashion. Read the pricing page. -Mike-- Michael E. CruteSoftware DeveloperSoftGroup Development CorporationLinux, because reboots are for installing hardware.In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?
Re: [gentoo-user] porno filtering using squid?
how about de squidguard? its working with squid. is it has a online tool(online update de blacklist db file or like)?On 10/16/05, Michael Crute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On 10/15/05, Renat Golubchyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 04:43:18 +0600 Gentoo Shadow [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: is it free to use for commercial purposes? It's GPL. After a fashion. Read the pricing page. -Mike-- Michael E. CruteSoftware DeveloperSoftGroup Development CorporationLinux, because reboots are for installing hardware. In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? -- ...The future lies ahead. ___ Have you mooed today? ---\^__^ \ (oo) \___ (__) \ )\/\||--w||| ||Gentoo Linux 2.6.12-gentoo-r4-AIT-v3.3#
