Re: Off-topic - Paddington

[Jonathan H]

Or... https://youtu.be/7UfiCa244XE plus https://y2mate.is/

You're welcome!


On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 at 15:44, David Taylor  wrote:
>
> On 06/06/2022 14:05, Jimmy Aitken wrote:
> > You can extract the Paddington clip from the BBC stream at 1080p quality 
> > with:
> >
> > get_iplayer --pid p0bk5pd7 --start 00:30:05 --stop 00:32:20 --tv-quality 
> > 1080p
> >
> > Jimmy
>
> Thanks, Jimmy.  I've never used the start/stop commands!  I ended up with the
> 11 GB download and using the Windows Photo app to edit.  First time I've used
> that, but it works well at least for simple trimming.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: Loss of BBC HD channels on satellite

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On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 at 21:16, Peter S Kirk  wrote:
> On 18 Oct 2018 at 15:46,  wrote:
> > Second poster has a stick up his butt.
> +1
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Re: Off topic security updates and XP

[Jonathan H]

Yes, it's off-topic so I shouldn't reply, but as the (3 year old) link
has been posted, just a note from that article that:

“The security updates that could be installed are intended for Windows
Embedded and Windows Server 2003 customers and *do not fully protect
Windows XP customers*,” the company said in a statement to ZDNet.
“Windows XP customers also run a significant risk of functionality
issues with their machines if they install these updates".

Not going to engage in OT debate, but as I'm here now...

I'd be looking for some pretty high level sackings from whichever
company provides IT to the NHS.

ANY IT manager who insists on using a
16 year old operating system which has been on a worldwide "DO NOT
USE" list for 2 years is not fit to sweep the floor in the server room
as far as I am concerned!

XP is fun for home hobby use maybe, but absolutely lethal for anything business
or security critical. People were warned for years an attack like
this would hit XP - now it has, they have no excuse! Any IT director who allows
an XP machine with ANY kind of personal data connected to the internet
might as well leave the front door unlocked, shout their pin number
from the rooftops and hand out copies of their email and address book!
Except, it won't even be their own data - it'll be customers or patient data.

And don't tell me "but no data was stolen" - if they can get malware
in, they can get data out.

Running XP is a bit like not wearing a seat belt because you're "going
to drive carefully" and then being surprised when the fire service are
scraping you off the dashboard.
"But it never happened before - sure, they warned me, but I thought it
would be fine".

(Sorry, rant over - don't reply, you won't change my mind on this.
Mind you, people who run obsolete OS or turn off Windows updates
provide an
excellent and reliable source of income for both Russian hacking gangs
AND computer repair people ;)  )



On 14 May 2017 at 15:33, Dave Widgery  wrote:
> Hi a bit off topic but in view of the recent malware attack and some
> of us still using windows XP I thought I would share this tip if
> anyone was not previously aware.
>
> An addition of a registry key that enables a continuation of security
> updates on XP see pcworld article below.   I did this a year or so ago
> and regularly receive updates.
>
> But if you haven't already done this I would ensure that you have a
> good backup as you are likely to receive a large number of updates
> with the potential of causing a few problems depending on your system
> configuration, I also haven't checked if there is a security update
> for this particular malware, so I would also recommend a good
> antivirus.
>
>
> Dave
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2310301/windows-xp-registry-hack-keeps-the-security-updates-rolling.html
> 
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Re: BBC Licensing Expose

[Jonathan H]

Trying to see both sides here:

1: It's David's list, so he gets to set the rules.
2: The subject is off-topic

BUT...

3: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39100048

However, the caveat here is that the BBC report refers to the Daily Mail report.

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Re: So what does this really mean

[Jonathan H]

On the iPlayer site it says (my emphasis)

"To watch or record live TV programmes on any channel, *or* to watch
or download BBC programmes on iPlayer when you're in the UK, the
Channel Islands or the Isle of Man".

On 15 September 2016 at 05:14, The Kernel  wrote:
> On 14/09/16 07:44, SquarePenguin wrote:
>>
>> On 14/09/2016 07:04, The Kernel wrote:
>>>
>>> Don’t forget, you still need a TV Licence to watch or record programmes
>>> on any channel as they are being shown on TV or live on an online TV
>>> service
>>>
>>> ? On any channel - really? Do they mean any BBC or ANY...
>>
>>
>> They mean any. That's been the law for decades.
>>
>> http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one
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> I read it to mean
> 'As they are being shown' or 'Live'
>
> Catchup is not  either of those, at least not as I read it.
> And services such as Ch4/5 don't have any info that I see about a TV Licence
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Re: License question

[Jonathan H]

I don't think you'll see a better summary of the situation than this.
And yes, I realise the irony of copying and pasting an entire
advertising-funded page, but when the advert covers the entire page
and makes the article unreadable then I think it's fair use! (see
http://tinypic.com/r/15fxxf/9 )

Original article here:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/bbc-closes-loophole-for-whiny-freeloaders-20160902113219
(warning: contains a swear which I've starred out here in case the
list rejects is)

PEOPLE with an absurd sense of entitlement will no longer be able to
watch BBC iPlayer for free, the broadcaster has confirmed.

The broadcaster closed the loophole, which allowed people access to
billions of pounds worth of entertainment for free, yesterday after a
high-level decision that those people could go f**k themselves.

Craft beer ambassador Tom Booker said: “I don’t own a television, I
don’t have a television aerial on the chimney of my house, I don’t
even have a house. I’m contemporary.

“So when I’m watching Bake-Off ironically on my MacBook I shouldn’t be
liable for any licence fee, because what I am doing is completely
different and cooler.

“YouTube’s free, and I don’t see the distinction between high-quality
content by a broadcasting organisation which is the envy of the world
and blurred smartphone footage of teenagers punching each other’s
groins.

“Where does this end? Paying for music?”

A BBC spokesman said: “We’ve got Attenborough, you whiny bitches, so pay up.”

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Re: License question

[Jonathan H]

Doesn't seem to be a particularly complicated question:

"Do you have a license fee"?

If you do and you have paid for the service you are about to use, then
answer "Yes".

If you do not have a license, then answer "No".

It doesn't seem particularly complicated to me.

On 2 September 2016 at 07:40, The Kernel  wrote:
> Beeb is asking if I have a license now, sigh
>
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Re: Receiving a "You have been unsubscribed" email when not actually unsubscribing

[Jonathan H]

On 19 April 2016 at 12:13, Stuart Henderson  wrote:

> Another likely reason: gmail hates mail delivered over v6.

More likely to be that the domain is broken and outgoing email isn't
setup to meet current standards...

http://mxtoolbox.com/domain/lists.infradead.org/
https://toolbox.googleapps.com/apps/checkmx/check?domain=lists.infradead.org

No DKIM? No SPF? No DMARC? Primary Name Server Not Listed At Parent?
Remote domain could not be found?

I'm amazed ANY mail gets in or out at all!

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Re: Deleted RAM Files

[Jonathan H]

If, by deleted RAM files you mean you accidentally deleted them from
the disk and then emptied the recycle bin, if you're on Windows you
could give this a go:
https://www.piriform.com/recuva

On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 2:28 AM, CJB chrisjbr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Anyone any idea how we can rescue these files please?

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/stoke/content/articles/2005/07/15/staffordshire_canals_feature.shtml

 Staffordshire Canals Part 1
 Staffordshire Canals Part 2
 Staffordshire Canals Part 3
 Staffordshire Canals Part 4
 Staffordshire Canals Part 5

 Thank you.

 CJB

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Re: Deleted RAM Files

[Jonathan H]

My apologies - totally got the wrong end of the stick! Yes, RAM has
been dead and dropped by the Beeb for 6 years now, so the letters
didn't even click in my mind.

Hmmm, interesting problem - I never thought about what happens to
archive material like that.Might be something in the blog eg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/entries/234a65f0-89c1-489c-b6e9-55d2de932e53
or use the form here https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/faqs/forms/

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 10:07 AM, CJB chrisjbr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thank you for tour response. But - the RAM files have been deleted
 from the BBC webpage -  due I suspect to the Beeb no longer supporting
 Real Media formats. The RAM files in question were simply one line
 text files containing the URL to the RM format audio file on the
 Beeb's servers. I wondered if there was a way that get_iplayer (or
 other app.) could find the audio files in order to download them for
 archiving. Chris B.

 On 24/04/2015, Jonathan H lardconce...@gmail.com wrote:
 If, by deleted RAM files you mean you accidentally deleted them from
 the disk and then emptied the recycle bin, if you're on Windows you
 could give this a go:
 https://www.piriform.com/recuva

 On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 2:28 AM, CJB chrisjbr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Anyone any idea how we can rescue these files please?

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/stoke/content/articles/2005/07/15/staffordshire_canals_feature.shtml

 Staffordshire Canals Part 1
 Staffordshire Canals Part 2
 Staffordshire Canals Part 3
 Staffordshire Canals Part 4
 Staffordshire Canals Part 5

 Thank you.

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If you only use GIP to download two things this Christmas...

[Jonathan H]

If you're a fan of radio comedy, this is the only thing you'll need this year :)

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Re: If you only use GIP to download two things this Christmas...

[Jonathan H]

Stupid accidental send. As I was saying, the only thing you'll need is...

get_iplayer.cmd --type=radio --pid=b04vf25d,b04vf959

The lemon is back in play - Happy Christmas everyone!

On 24 December 2014 at 19:50, Jonathan H lardconce...@gmail.com wrote:
 If you're a fan of radio comedy, this is the only thing you'll need this year 
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Looks like Nitro isn't the way forward for open data - developer keys being revoked in one week :(

[Jonathan H]

Back in September, before the whole recent debacle, I applied for a
Nitro developer key as I was going to do a Raspberry Pi blind project.

I got a key, but the whole system seemed extremely flaky and
undocumented. There was supposed to be a forum, but it had 3 old posts
and no new postings ever got allowed through.

Additionally, email enquiries to the official help email went
unanswered. I tracked down a different address from press release
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/academy/technology/software-engineering/article/art20141013145843465)
and got a reply.

And then, this morning, I got another reply. As this list doesn't
allow formatting, I'll just paste both below, you can figure out which
is which!

If anyone else applied for a Nitro key recently, have you got the same
email? Doesn't look good, eh? A far cry from the initial enthusiastic
nitro is the future press releases.
Good job I didn't actually spend weeks building anything with it in the end, eh?


-- Forwarded message --
From: James Mitchard james.mitchard01@bbc.co.uk
Date: 10 October 2014 09:41
Subject: RE: Registration emails not coming through.
Cc: API a...@bbc.co.uk, Allan Donald allan.don...@bbc.co.uk

Hi Jonathan,

This project is definitely not dead. There is much work going on
behind the scenes; the results of which will start to become apparent
on developer.bbc.co.uk over the coming weeks and months.

In the meantime, the API key you have registered will work for the
items where it is not crossed-out. However as I'm sure you will have
seen, there is limited documentation publicly available for many of
these services at present. You might therefore wish to wait until we
publish documentation before deciding whether the services are
appropriate for whatever use case you have in mind.



-- Forwarded message --
From: David Beaton david.bea...@bbc.co.uk
Date: 6 November 2014 12:27
Subject: BBC Content API access
To: David Beaton david.bea...@bbc.co.uk


Hello

I'm emailing you because you have an active Apigee developer key
allowing access to the BBC Content API and your key is registered to a
non-BBC email address.  I intend to revoke this access in one week's
time.

The BBC Platform API team are in the process of rationalising our APIs
 (see https://developer.bbc.co.uk/content/bbc-platform-api ).  As the
team progress with their work to make a consistent set of APIs these
will be made available.

Thank you for your interest in using BBC data.  If you have any
questions or concerns then please email me.

David

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Re: Thank You

[Jonathan H]

On 4 November 2014 01:51, Peter S Kirk peter.k...@isauk.biz wrote:

 Email a complaint to the Ministry of Fun aka

Incredibly ill-though out idea.

 regarding:

 1. The double speak in:
 ...designed to clamp down on clients such as XBMC or get_iplayer, which
 allow programmes to be watched or recorded.
 The iPlayer team continues to work hard to maximise access to the iPlayer
 across a wide range of platforms and devices.

What they ACTUALLY wrote:

 The iPlayer RSS feeds were never designed or intended to support them, 
 Billings added. Nitro will almost certainly not support their ways of 
 working.

Do you really not see the difference between what you wrote -
designed to clamp down on - and what the beeb wrote - were never
designed or intended to support?

It's this kind of knee-jerk, butt-hurt everyone on the outrage bus
reaction which'll get this whole project shut down, if anything does.

The answer lies in intelligent technical resolutions, not teenage
rebellious emails to an entirely irrelevant government body.

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Re: [ANN] get_iplayer search and PVR functions no longer work - no fix available

[Jonathan H]

Don't forget that with most services, including the bbc, you just swap
.xml for .json if you prefer json and find it easier to work with an
object.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules/hd/2014/10/31.json

Also, the Yahoo Query Language console might be worth a look for
transforming data..  https://developer.yahoo.com/yql/console/

On 1 November 2014 12:50, Jon Davies j...@hedgerows.org.uk wrote:
 On 29 October 2014 13:20, dinkypumpkin dinkypump...@gmail.com wrote:
 The BBC have removed the programme data feeds used by get_iplayer

 It seems that the programme schedule data feeds are still working
 (lots of xml, e.g.
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules/hd/2014/10/31.xml)
 and these have pids listed for both historic and future programmes.
 It doesn't tell you whether a particular programme is actually
 available on iplayer, but these would at least provide some data that
 could be searched.

 Jon

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Re: Can't locate episodes that I can find through iPlayer

[Jonathan H]

I've been having the same problems here - almost all radio shows now
won't download via GIP.

Luckily for you, TIMC is available as a lovely podcast with loads of
back episodes :)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/timc

On 3 October 2014 10:58, Julian Smith julian.cl.sm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've been wanting to find episodes of Brian Cox's radio show called
 'Infinite Monkey Cage' via get_iplayer.  However, at the simplest level, I
 cannot find any of these episodes by doing...

 get_iplayer Infinite
 or
 get_iplayer Monkey
 or
 get_iplayer Cage

 There are however, episodes available via standard http://bbc.co.uk/radio
 (i.e. http://www.bbc.co.uk/search?q=Infinite)

 Can you shed any light on why this is please?  I presume I am doing
 something wrong.

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Re: Major Close Down

[Jonathan H]

So, let me try and get this clear in my head...

Have you really just compared the deaths of millions of young men who
sacrificed their lives in two world wars, to the voluntary closure of
a site hosting stolen material?

And on a mailing list to do with the legal internet broadcasting of
license-funded content?

Sometimes I wonder if we need another war just as a bit of a reality check...

*double face palms and walks slowly away shaking head*

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Re: Problems with colons in searches

[Jonathan H]

If life has taught me one thing, it's that If you want to avoid
troublesome colon searches, don't try and be funny at US passport
control...

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[get_iplayer] How to work around installer failing to download component?

[Jonathan H]

http://ffmpeg.zeranoe.com/ was offline for some time this morning, so
the installer kept failing to get the ffmpeg component. Not
get_iplayers fault of course, but instead I downloaded
http://www.afterdawn.com/software/general/download_splash.cfm/ffmpeg_64-bit
which gave me
ffmpeg-20140412-git-513a431-win64-static7z.exe
but I couldn't for the life of my work out how to point get_iplayer to it.

Of course, after an hour of fiddling, the site came back up and I
managed to install the get_iplayer 2.86 update OK.

But I was wondering if there's a way to get round this if it happens
with other components?
Of could the installer perhaps have a second failover mirror list
for the components?

Anyway, thanks for the update.

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Re: get_iplayer overseas

[Jonathan H]

On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM, S Byers s_byers...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 But recently I needed to download a t.v. programme whilst in Germany.

http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/outside_the_uk/iplayer_outsideuk_app

Q: Is there a BBC iPlayer App that works outside the UK?
Yes, BBC Worldwide have developed a commercial version of BBC iPlayer
(Global) for Western European audiences, designed to generate revenues
from an international digital audience that supports the licence fee.
It is currently available as an iPad and iPhone application via the
Apple App Store. Visit the BBC iPlayer (Global) YouTube channel for
further information.

http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/outside_the_uk/outsideuk

 BTW I DO pay my Beeb license fee

Doesn't matter - you don't need a license to catch up:

http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/about_bbc_iplayer/tvlicence

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Is HD iplayer and recording worth it? Well, the London fireworks should help answer that one!

[Jonathan H]

I think it might have been this list that I saw someone recently
saying they never bothered using best mode. I was reminded of that
when a friend remarked today how rubbish the London fireworks looked
on iplayer. It transpired that he never bothers with HD, can't see
the difference.

His TV is newish, 42 LED. Mine is 5 year old 32 LCD, albeit HD.
Perhaps I have particularly good eyesite, but for me here's a perfect
example! The London fireworks.
Watch 30 seconds of each, full screen.

I've linked to a point during the countdown so no need to scroll along.

Standard definition:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/i/b03mth1n/?t=3m15s

Now watch the same 30 seconds in HD (and the rest if you like - it IS
fairly spectacular!)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03mth1n/hd/New_Years_Eve_Fireworks/?t=3m15s

To me, in the SD version, Big Ben and The Wheel turn completely to a
blur of mush when the fireworks are in full blast. The HD version is
pretty pinsharp.

That said, the get_iplayer version looks even better than the proper
online iplayer version.

I wonder if that's because we're in a poor broadband area and only get
4Mb? Once get_iplayer has transcoded it, VLC shows the firework-heavy
scenes pushing about 6Mb/sec. Could it be that iplayer is serving a
less HD version to us slowcoaches, and get_iplayer pulled a better
version?

Or is the get_iplayer transcoding somehow smoothing the image?

Anyway, I think those two comparisons neatly put the HD vs SD argument
to bed! Great fireworks - definitely worth watching. In HD :)

Happy New Year!

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Re: BBC to charge licence payers ?5 to download favourite shows

[Jonathan H]

Not sure if it was posted as being a bad thing or a good thing.

To summarise: iplayer free content will go from 7 days to 30 days and
other programmes includind previously unavailable series will be made
available to purchase at £1 less than currently charged.

Seems a win all round!

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 On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 03:15:06AM -0800, Chris J Brady wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530519/BBC-charge-licence-payers-5-download-favourite-shows-challenge-Netflix-iTunes.html

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Re: BBC to charge licence payers ?5 to download favourite shows

[Jonathan H]

On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Mark Fraser
infrad...@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk wrote:

 Don't we already pay a yearly subscription called a TV licence?

Those with a TV do. And?

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Re: New get_iplayer website forums

[Jonathan H]

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:24 AM, Christopher Woods
christop...@custommade.org.uk wrote:

 I have less sympathy for Radio Downloader; AIUI it deliberately offered a
 mechanism for people outside of the UK to download UK-only programming.

Incorrect. All Radio Downloader did was provide an easy scheduled way
of downloading the UK-only stream directly to one's own computer, and
then automatically converting to mp3.
This is the same wma stream available from links via things like
iplayerconverter, beebobodge or beebotron.

Although it's too late to try now, if you had an overseas VPN and
tried Downloader, you'd have found it didn't work.

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Re: Re: New Website

[Jonathan H]

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Square Penguin
he...@squarepenguin.co.uk wrote:

 Use of Logo: That is get_iplayer's logo and always has been as far as I am
 aware. It is on the front page of this mailing list. If someone would like
 to do another one I'd be more than happy to use it, but if the BBC decides
 to go after get_iplayer, it won't be over the logo.

That IS true that it's always been the logo, perhaps it's time for a change?

Look at the two side by side:

BBC Iplayer logo http://hotline.ccsinsight.com/_images-article/iPlayer.png
Get_iplayer logo
http://getiplayer.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/get_iPlayer-Forums.jpg

I'm not a legal expert but I am in business and I'd be fairly sure
they could come after you. TC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/terms/business.shtml
2.1.3   the names, images and logos identifying the BBC, its licensors
or third parties and their products and services in BBC Online
Services and/or BBC Content are subject to copyright, design rights
and trade marks (registered and unregistered) of the BBC or any other
relevant third party or licensor.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/terms/additional_iplayer.shtml
2.9 You do not have the right to use any BBC Content or BBC mark/logo
on your device or elsewhere except as provided on BBC iPlayer or
through the BBC iPlayer Download Application.

But also, the Beeb have massively deep, almost bottomless pockets.
They pissed away £1bn (that's £100,000,000) on a totally failed IT
project, paid directors £tens of millions more than their contracts
required, and have already spend £2m just on Newsnight:

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/bbc-reveal-full-cost-dropping-savile-story-annual-accounts-are-published
The newsnight investigation cost £2.4 million which included £101,000
to cover the legal and related costs of Helen Boaden who was heavily
criticised in the report.

To come after GIP would be a tiny drop in the ocean for BBC lawyers
who will be on close to £5,000 *PER HOUR*. Can you afford that?

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Re: New get_iplayer website forums

[Jonathan H]

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:39 PM, David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote:

 Your mailer has a 'private reply' and a 'reply to all' feature, surely?
 If you choose 'private reply' (often just labelled 'reply'), why would
 you be surprised at what it does?

It does indeed. And I would expect reply to reply to the sender of
the email, ie: the list.

 Some mailing lists do have an abusive setup which hijacks the *private*
 reply and makes it go back to the list. And thus, things which were
 meant to be *private* can end up being sent to the public list. That's a
 stupid way to configure a list.

This is how Google groups, Yahoo groups, Freelists, Majordomo etc work.

Except with this list, when I click reply, it replies to the person
who originally sent the post to the list.

When I click reply all, it seems to add in the sender, and sometimes
a couple of other people from the list, and the list itself.
So, either I have to manually edit the reply addresses, or several
people get two copies of the reply.

I'm on about 20 lists and none of them work this way.

The other thing is the error messages:

The error that the other server returned was:
550-Mailing lists do not accept HTML mail.

Might want to change that to

THIS mailing list does not accept html

The page linked to is http://david.woodhou.se/email.html which refers
to itself as normal rules of Netiquette.

The page is dated as:

Last modified: Sun Feb 9 11:16:11 GMT 2003

To be accurate, these are David's rules of Netiquette. Also, to be
fair, this is your mailing list so you can run it how you like.

I notice that some people point to RFC 2822 when discussing this issue:
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2822.txt
This is a document from 2001 - 12 years ago. The GNU group's own

Imagine if we all did things like we did back then? Not just in
society, but on the interwebs.

We'd all be using html 4.01 and Netscape Navigator and the web
wouldn't be very accessible.

Almost everything we use today doesn't isn't a fixed standard. It's
at least another year before HTML5 is standardised. My wireless N
connection isn't fully standardised.
Sometimes, you could just do something because it's the progressive
way, rather than the old way. It's why we don't have racial
segragation any more.

Also, it does kind of seem ironic that you run your mailing list to so
tightly adhere to one interpretation of a perceived standard, RFC or
law of doing things, and yet the mailing list itself is setup to
discuss a method of violating a rule laid down by someone else, in
other words to improve on something to make it more accessible to
people.

 The reverse-path of the message clearly identifies
 where it comes from, so if you want to filter list traffic into a
 separate folder...

Each morning, I wake about 120 new messages, including many from about
20 mailing lists. I get about 10 minutes to skim these. I can see the
subject and first couple of sentences.

Which do you think is easier? 10 characters used to tag the subject
and instantly see that problems downloading relates to get_iplayer
and not my own sites?
Or take a guess, or have 20 folders which I must tab through to see if
there's anything of interest in each one?

As I said - your list, your rules. I was merely explaining, as a user
of many other lists, why I found this one harder to use ( a sentiment
echoed by several others judging by a quick look through the
archives).

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Re: Beebify now with unBLOCKr

[Jonathan H]

Well, was it spam? I've not heard of Beebify before; when I clicked
the link I saw a very easy one-click method of downloading a working
wmv copy of a BBC programme.

Spam is disruptive unsolicited commercial electronic mail messages
simultaneously to a number of e-mail addresses.

For me, this was a useful message posted to an appropriate list in
which there had been recent discussions about difficulties downloading
certain programmes.

AFAIAC, any extra method that works is welcome.

I think we may have different definitions of spam :)

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:00 AM, TQ t...@tqvideo.co.uk wrote:


 On 17 July 2013 at 05:42 please_no_re...@beebify.com wrote:


 Great news from Beebify is that we've just partnered with unBLOCKr.

 If it looks like Spam, and smells like spam 

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Re: Folk Club - saga ...

[Jonathan H]

This is also partly the reason I suggested Net Transport recently, for
radio downloads which seem to be troubling some people.

It will do a multi-connection raw download of any BBC radio stream and
can withstand flakey connections.

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 6:50 PM, TQ t...@tqvideo.co.uk wrote:
 On 08 July 2013 at 18:31 Chris J Brady chrisjbr...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Well eventually I found a cafe with fast wifi - it was the end of the
 day and it was rock steady.

   ~ Saga Deletwed ~

 Many, many people have no issue with the software and have downloaded
 the programme in question with no issues.

 It seems that, after tests, that you acknowledge that it may well be
 that your broadband connection is not really suitable for the use of
 get_iplayer. On that basis, can we assume that you will stop complaining
 about the perceived shortcomings that you think exist, find a different
 programme and stop moaning about it here?

 Yes it does take a bit of fettling, but it's effective, quick and (in my
 case, at least) rock solid.

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Re: Bad News: Radio Downloader and BBC Radio

[Jonathan H]

Hope not, but for downloading radio, these three are your friends :)

http://www.iplayerconverter.co.uk/
http://www.beebotron.org/
http://www.xi-soft.com/default.htm

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Steve startrek.st...@gmail.com wrote:
 Can we expect a similar email from the Beeb about Get_Iplayer?


 On 27/06/13 21:30, Chris J Brady wrote:

 Radio Downloader and BBC Radio

 Latest news

 Following a request from the BBC, I have removed the Radio Downloader
 source and installers.  They will return shortly minus the BBC Radio
 Provider plugin (e.g. the ability to download BBC Radio programmes).

 My apologies for the disappointment that this will cause but I hope that
 you will understand.  I believe that the BBC is planning to offer downloads
 of radio programmes from 2014.

 On a personal note, I would like to thank everyone for their words of
 encouragement and support over the years and for putting up with my sporadic
 updates.  I had hoped to do more to Radio Downloader over the last six
 months but unfortunately I have not been well and life seems to have been
 rather hectic...

 Matt Robinson
 bugzi...@nerdoftheherd.com
 26 June 2013



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Re: [ANN] get_iplayer 2.83 released

[Jonathan H]

On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 23:38 +0100, dinkypumpkin wrote:

  get_iplayer 2.83 has been released.  Release notes here:
 
  https://github.com/dinkypumpkin/get_iplayer/wiki/release283


OOoh! New version - excellent! Updated my previously installation perfectly,
and I'm fairly sure it's not my imagination but the web pvr manager seems
much more responsive.
Switching betweeen the tabs is instant - not saying the 2 second delay
before bothered me, but it's noticably faster.


On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 11:48 PM, David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org
wrote:


 I see you're moving away from the web site on www.infradead.org?

 Do you want me to take the existing site down, or make it redirect to
 github?


As a Windows user, that would be a bad thing as that's where the Windows
installer is hosted! From the github readme:

Windows Installer

A new version of the get_iplayer Windows installer is available:

http://www.infradead.org/get_iplayer_win/get_iplayer_setup_latest.exe


So - if David is the owner of infradead and dinkypumpkin is the author of
get_iplayer how come ... no, I'm confused!

Can someone explain git versioning to me? The installer is taking everything
else fom lower to higher versions except...

RTMPDump (2.4-git-6230845 - 2.4-git-010913)

I kept it in for upgrade but 6230845 is higher than 010913 - does that mean
I have a better version that came with something else, or .?!?

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Re: what do i do ?

[Jonathan H]

I was also wondering if, rather than following the slightly lengthy
instructions at
https://github.com/dinkypumpkin/get_iplayer/wiki/githead whether it
was just possible to download
https://github.com/dinkypumpkin/get_iplayer/archive/master.zip and
drag and drop the contents of (eg Windows) folder over the current
installation?

On 7 June 2013 11:02, chris chery chrisch...@free.fr wrote:



 hi all
 what changes do i need to make , step by step please for a windows
 installation toget_iplayer going again
 I didnot get anywhere trying to follow the suggestions  received
 regrds
 cc

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