Re: [Gimp-developer] [Bug 325564] Use CIE LCH instead of HSL for layer mode "Color"
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 06:10:33AM +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote: > On 03/15/2011 08:47 PM, Charlie De wrote: > > Why?? Rupert Weber finished this last September and you promised it would > > be in > > 2.8. Is this how you show respect for the most stellar effort by a new > > talent? > > Shame, truly, shame on you. It's now been 5 years since the issue was first > > reported, you're going to add another year even though the work is done. > > That > > is, if you don't break your promise again. Where's your integrity? > > If we never make releases, we won't get new contributors either. We > really need to make a release ASAP, and we simply don't have time to fix > this before the 2.8 release. In modern software development, > uncomfortable decisions like this sometimes needs to be made. I am sorry > that it upsets you. > you "took the time" to make tabs expand with the names of the dialog which the tab belonged to. you also spend a lot of time repairing a script-fu for which a tool already worked fine for -- a script-fu which might better have been rewritten to use the current tool. other bugs don't get closed after patches are applied. i mention these things because you have access and except for the closing bugs problem, these are the things that you have done in the last year or so. martin, if in, oh, lets say 3 days, March 18, 2011 the majority of your list items are not commited, perhaps you should consider stepping aside. "releases" don't attract developers. look at the history! gimp-1.0 - gimp-1.2, 1997 thru 2000. lots of contributors, lots of development, lots of ideas, lots of bug fixing. it was a lot of fun. "buildbot" nightlies seem to have attracted "mitch" who has been working on things consistently and changes to the italian po files. gimp has been stable enough to run the unstable version (with an exception for the current layer groups and a problem with painting since the end of last September) for years and years now. sometimes, you gotta quit -- and see if that helps things. i sure didn't like what was going on, i needed to be forced to quit. so, okay fine, i quit for more than two years, maybe more than three and you know what? the problem wasn't me because all of the things that i did not like persisted and there was no improvement in involvement -- in fact, involvement (especially by people who can fix bugs and have some knowlege of gimps innards) dropped off. i cannot force you to quit the way i was forced to quit. i can only ask you to consider this and also that before you quit, that you removed the buildbot stuff from gimp's source and put it into eh, lets say buildbots source on the same server. that way, other projects can become rejuvinated with buildbot product the way that gimp has been. i was told that it was a gnome project afterall... carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [Bug 325564] Use CIE LCH instead of HSL for layer mode "Color"
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 05:34:13PM -0700, Carol Spears wrote: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:20:14PM +, Øyvind Kolås wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Jacek Poplawski > > wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Charlie De > > > wrote: > > >> Why?? Rupert Weber finished this last September and you promised it > > >> would be in > > >> 2.8. Is this how you show respect for the most stellar effort by a new > > >> talent? > > >> Shame, truly, shame on you. It's now been 5 years since the issue was > > >> first > > >> reported, you're going to add another year even though the work is done. > > >> That > > >> is, if you don't break your promise again. Where's your integrity? > > > > > > This is very sad. > > > > I am not among the people working on GIMP itself - in the context of > > GIMP is primarily do work on GEGL - but I can tell both of you that > > this type of email does not serve to motivate any developer. At best > > they ignore it; at worst they get discouraged and decide that spending > > some of their spare time contributing to the common good/free > > software/GIMP is not worth it. > > > interesting, this because when GIMP was being developed by many people > seemingly happily so, it was the quality of the patch or plug-in or the > script, > not the flavor of the ass-kissing or the style of the request. > > it is the left brained people (artists and such) who are in need of constant > appreciation and reassurance to happily "do the right thing" or to "continue > to do the job as was described" but the right brained people, the more > technically adept don't need so much of the "obvious appreciation". > > this easy description of two different kinds of people starts to fail when a > "right brained" seems to be needing the reassurance that the artistic sort do > but actually just wants enough credit to continue their work and pay bills and > to participate in the community that they are or have been serving in. > > i have worked with actors, for instance -- in a place where actors should be, > btw. it doesn't take much to tell these creative sort that they are really > doing well, etc etc. no, actually it does take much. it takes familiarity > with their work and knowlege of their improvement. > > interestingly enough, the right-brainers enjoy this also. they often fail to > know how to receive the appreciation. > > something has interfered with the right-brained people having access to both > bugzilla and the source, perhaps. maybe "actors" where they should not be? > > i have been waiting for more than a week for a bug to be closed which should > be closed, for instance. it might be the only way to communicate with the > developers right now, but if the developers are not looking at bugzilla, then > they will probably have to manage upset contributors with patches when they > loose patience and write to this list. > > or, the obviously broken bug reporting interface that has been suggested > should > be replaced with one that does what it is supposed to do. > s/left/right/ carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [Bug 325564] Use CIE LCH instead of HSL for layer mode "Color"
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:20:14PM +, Øyvind Kolås wrote: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Jacek Poplawski > wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Charlie De wrote: > >> Why?? Rupert Weber finished this last September and you promised it would > >> be in > >> 2.8. Is this how you show respect for the most stellar effort by a new > >> talent? > >> Shame, truly, shame on you. It's now been 5 years since the issue was first > >> reported, you're going to add another year even though the work is done. > >> That > >> is, if you don't break your promise again. Where's your integrity? > > > > This is very sad. > > I am not among the people working on GIMP itself - in the context of > GIMP is primarily do work on GEGL - but I can tell both of you that > this type of email does not serve to motivate any developer. At best > they ignore it; at worst they get discouraged and decide that spending > some of their spare time contributing to the common good/free > software/GIMP is not worth it. > interesting, this because when GIMP was being developed by many people seemingly happily so, it was the quality of the patch or plug-in or the script, not the flavor of the ass-kissing or the style of the request. it is the left brained people (artists and such) who are in need of constant appreciation and reassurance to happily "do the right thing" or to "continue to do the job as was described" but the right brained people, the more technically adept don't need so much of the "obvious appreciation". this easy description of two different kinds of people starts to fail when a "right brained" seems to be needing the reassurance that the artistic sort do but actually just wants enough credit to continue their work and pay bills and to participate in the community that they are or have been serving in. i have worked with actors, for instance -- in a place where actors should be, btw. it doesn't take much to tell these creative sort that they are really doing well, etc etc. no, actually it does take much. it takes familiarity with their work and knowlege of their improvement. interestingly enough, the right-brainers enjoy this also. they often fail to know how to receive the appreciation. something has interfered with the right-brained people having access to both bugzilla and the source, perhaps. maybe "actors" where they should not be? i have been waiting for more than a week for a bug to be closed which should be closed, for instance. it might be the only way to communicate with the developers right now, but if the developers are not looking at bugzilla, then they will probably have to manage upset contributors with patches when they loose patience and write to this list. or, the obviously broken bug reporting interface that has been suggested should be replaced with one that does what it is supposed to do. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Porting GIMP plugins to GEGL operations
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 04:03:42PM -0300, Andreas Plath wrote: > Hello all, > > > Porting GIMP plugins to GEGL operations > > > > There are many many GIMP plugins that would need eventually to be > > converted to GEGL operations, if we want to use them in future > > versions of GIMP. > > 1) Looking in the GIMP and GEGL dev sites, I found a list of library > dependencies for GEGL but not one for GIMP. I haven't downloaded the source > yet, so perhaps there's such a list in there. If not, where can I find it? > My computer runs a vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 install, should I expect any > problems? > after opening the downloaded archive, type "./configure" and see if this runs successfully and then look at the nicely formated output to see if you need to have other things installed. when configure fails to run, it always tells exactly what it needs to complete its task and you can decide if you want your distribution to install that for you or if you would like to build that for yourself. > 2) Are there any special guidelines for writing plugins using GEGL > operations? Are they listed anywhere? (Looking at the GIMP dev site I > haven't found any). Is there an already ported plugin to use as an example? > Or a template? > look at the gegl ops. and there is a template available, although, i have not heard of any one other than me mentioning this in a long while -- so consider making your own template. perhaps use a mindset like that you are on new ground and that you would like your contribution to be looked back on with respect. that is just a suggestion, but i think that you are on relatively new ground and it is the safest approach, perhaps. > 3) Which plugins should be ported first? Is there a priority list? Is it > possible to port all plugins given the current list of GEGL operations? If > not, which are possible? > a priority list will be made of the priorities of the people who write that list. that seems like a very stupid thing to write, but a bunch of photo- graphers would think that the "useful to photographers" plugins will make those the greatest priority, for example. the first plugin i tried to use with gimp-3 was pagecurl; is that my priority? it is only the first plugin i tried to use and i tried to use it because of a few qualities it had. some additional gtk+ stuff and oh, the length of time it has been with gimp. it was a priority to me at that moment and because i was trying a new major version for the first time and had become familar with its history. i strongly recommend that you choose your plugin based on your abilities and not on the recommendation of whatever people are making lists right now -- including me. you should like it and you should know what the results are supposed to be. i recommend avoiding blurs and noise, i make this suggestion having read the blurred and noisy history of these plugins and if pressed to provide further explanation for this, i would not be able to provide any so ignore this advice if it suits you to do so. > 4) Is this a simple porting job or are there any documented desired > improvements to be made on the plugins? > is this question redundant? > 5) Where should I go for help when I need it? :-) > where ever you actually get answers to your questions. > Though I've worked as a C programmer for several years, I'm a bit rusty > after six years of spreadsheets and Gantt charts ... :-) On top of that, > I've never done any serious graphics programming (except for a couple of > classes back in college, over 15 years ago). So I'll need some time to get > up to speed. Hope that's alright. > does this work include any familiarity with gnu build tools? does your C experience require more than just gcc to produce the software that you write? i suspect that this question is worded wrongly. when gimp was being written, the developers then did not even allow c++ comments. but the auto- matic installing of software from the distributions has somewhat diluted this like-minded goal that used to exist. at least i think it is the automatic installing of distribution binaries which did this; consider that to be a theory. for Linux, when a whole group of software (perhaps even up to ten or more dependencies for the more complex softwares like music players/editors, and graphics displayers/editors) when there is just one dependency that requires that another compiler be installed -- it feels like a purpose has been defeated. gimp-1.2 only had a wrong requirement for g++ in its build scripts and that was removed for gimp-2.0. > I usually learn faster by working on something concrete, so I'd apreciate if > someone could point me to a couple of relevant but not too dificult plugins > to start on. > the "concrete" is in your mind. pick something that you will enjoy. if it turns out to be not concrete, then you have learned. my math teacher once told me about the calculus classes (my college split them into 3 semesters). she said t
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Roadmap - wiki page
On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 04:24:18PM -0600, Chris Mohler wrote: > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > It would be nice (IMO) to have a dockable that displays the "numbers" > of the transform tool's current selection and transform, and also > applies numerical input to the transform tool. > i asked them to do this for the move tool in gimp-1.2. i don't think that this is such a difficult task as to pay a person to work on it for the summer. GIMP got those stupid expanding tabs with their names for free because (i guess) icons aren't so good for using gui applications after all or was a reason provided for this? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Fix some errors and usage of deprecated procedures
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:31:40PM -0500, Liam R E Quin wrote: > On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 23:22 -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote: > > Liam R E Quin wrote: > > > What would it take to provide this as an online service, for people with > > > existing scripts? > > > > It wouldn't take much to put it online. [...] > > > > It won't be able to update for all scripts > > Hmm, maybe we should consider providing a compatibility library then, so > people can add one line at the start of a script? > Marc Lehmann, 1997 or 1998 -- take a look at gimp-1.0 and gimp-1.2 c plugins, there seemed to be a huge effort by some authors to include some (i am not certain of the wording here) CONSISTENT_ENUMS detailing plugin information which included default settings. There was also an effort then to include version information -- in the date registration thingie. there was gimp-0.60 [then not publically documented miracles] then gimp-0.9 and its pdb. and that is the best it has ever gotten for plugins managment. i would really really like to have some gimp source from between gimp-0.60 and gimp-0.9 -- if anyone has kept something like that around. perhaps federico has one on his first cellphone carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Fix some errors and usage of deprecated procedures
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 04:50:14PM -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: > > While running the camouflage pattern plugin I saw an error: > > I usually do much of the work to update Script-Fu scripts to the latest API > as I have a Perl based script that automates the update procedure. This > script uses information generated by running other Perl based scripts > against a PDB dump from GIMP. I am in the process of updating my update > script but its a big job this time. There are 107 changes to the PDB since > the release of the 2.6 version of GIMP and three different types of changes > that have to be handled across 100 scripts. > Using Perl to fix Script-fu -- this kind of thing always makes me laugh a little > The first change is the common one where deprecated procedures just need > minor updates (ie. changing to the procedure name to the replacement > procedure). The other two changes involve PDB procedures with some > parameters now set via context functions and the introduction of the item > API. These last two changes will require more work to handle in an automated > manner. > Nelson's patch fixes a lot of these, I was surprised to see so many there compared to what had been attached to the email. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=642938 has patches for at least one of the scripts that are in Nelson's big patch. These script-fu look for brushes that GIMP no longer installs. Putting the brushes back would be a solution for the breakage. Removing the scripts would also be a solution. I rewrote the scripts to make a vector brush and dispose of it which is (in my opinion) more of a gimp-2ish solution. I am curious to know what you had been thinking about as a solution for this script problem. > Until recently some deprecated procedures referred to a replacement > procedure that did not exist. This has been fixed so the PDB is complete and > stable enough for now to begin the work to update my update script. I will > be reviewing the updates originally made to the scripts for 2.7 API as I > have seen some changes to the called procedures are not correct as of the > current API. > commit e062acbc642cf0cfa601595ddb0524be11354dd9 from last October broke several of the s-fu, and i cannot remember if this was before the deprecated procedures were removed or not. I am assuming that the commiter was not your perl script, but they have been broken since then. > Until now, updating the scripts can usually be done in about 15 minutes > starting from the running of GIMP to get a current dump of the PDB (if there > are no other unusual changes). I will be doing the work for 2.7/2.8 in two > stages with the simple changes as the first stage and the changes involving > context and item API as the second stage. I'm currently working on two other > projects so I'm doing this as time permits. Actually, I was told that one of the reasons for these scripts was to see how to accomplish things via scripting. Manually making these patches has done exactly this for me and I regret not looking at them sooner. When I look at the Changelogs, I thought that you had made the changes to these scripts manually and felt kind of pleasently humbled. I will feel differently now. Nelsons patch seems to have been script-matically made, several of the patched scripts will still produce deprecated errors. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] Fix some errors and usage of deprecated procedures
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:47:58AM +, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: > Hi! > > While running the camouflage pattern plugin I saw an error: > > = > Error while executing script-fu-camo-pattern: > Error: ( : 1) Invalid number of arguments for gimp-image-insert-layer > (expected 4 but received 3) > = > > The attached patch fix this (and also fix the usage of some deprecated > procedures). > circuit.scm was repaired very recently (38 hours ago) in GIMP's git tree: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/?id=b19645db4954a8fc8db83817dc7cd2e45e840efb along with a few others. i recently opened a bug report with some patches for this same kind of updates to different script-fus: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=642939 if you would like to put your patches there, it might be easier for whoever to get them from there when the time is right or whatever has to happen for scripts to be updated. if i remember correctly, commit permission is a privelege more than a ticket to ride, or whatever and thanks, if no one else does this, i will be glad to apply them to my copy. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Where all developers are?
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 10:15:48PM +0300, Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > > Last I mailed it was said that there are not that many > GIMP developers. Where are all image processing application > developers have gone? Is there some other open source image > manipulation software which sucks all the developers? > 'sucks' is an interesting terminology to use for this. > In recent years Siggraph conference proceedings have had > more image processing papers. For example: They are now > making giga size photos with panoramic techniques. They > are using hundreds of tourist photos for making 3D walkthroughs > through city. Google earth and competitors are making 3D > models from photos. And much more. > it looks like a corporate attempte to destroy 'free', don't you think? i wonder, do you prefer picassa over GIMP? i am certain that it has advantages that GIMP does not offer. > It looks like today's image processing software needs to be > redefined because there are many new applications for photos. > You may suggest some other application for specific task > as an easy solution but please don't. > GIMP has established a tradition which i would like to see it shed. it did this when i put the web site on the gnome cvs server. the person who used to maintain what is now known as http://classic.gimp.org took the project over. he told me in person that there were 'things that i did not understand' and started to rewrite the site (which at that point was only short about 15 pages) to work in netscape4. all the while, promising to write something that manages 'meta' information. this person established a tradition of making solid sounding promises which sound better than a person who is actually doing work (and tends to complain and 'quit' and such). so, GIMP might be stuck in some tragic loop due to trust issues with gnome and promises that were never kept and making a big deal about 'quitting' when the 'quitting' never actually happened. it is very weird how putting the sources in an environment which is supposed to be shared by trusted people should destroy it. but that is what happened! i seriously do not think that it was because of me (as has been suggested now for a few years) that people do not want to contribute to GIMP, i think it is because of the vulnerability displayed by the people who maliciously took my project over. of course, if those people care to comment, i could be mistaken i think it would be actually good for this developer, as a human being, to confess his mistakes and bending of the politeness rules here so everyone can get on with it. meanwhile, do like they do and say all of the right things. only promise debonair-like that you will do something for the project. all you have to do is say the right things -- you do not actually have to do anything!! and ouija, you get access to all of GIMP money (which you have to work through GNOME to get) and you do not actually have to do anything to get it!! it is a great scam!! congrats to the guy who 'manhandled' my project to get it! carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Tool statusbar error messages
On Sun, Oct 01, 2006 at 12:04:47PM -0400, Christopher Curtis wrote: > I hope I'm not showing my lack of UI skills here, but: > > On 9/26/06, Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 02:17:34PM -0700, William Skaggs wrote: > >> >"Indexed images are not currently supported."(heal) > >> Healing does not operate on indexed layers > >Healing cannot manipulate indexed images. > > "Cannot heal indexed images. Use Image->Mode to change color mode." > > Points: Instructs how to fix the problem. Concise enough (I hope) to > fit translations. Remove "Use" if constraints prevent users from > seeing "Image->Mode" (the important part) when clipping. > i think that your rewrite is very good. it actually causes me to wonder what has happened to humans that we need to have these messages all over the place though. could it be that so many of the 'needs' of users has been fabricated? (fabricated here meaning invented in such a way to make it seem as if there is so much unhappiness and so that it allows something that was really really good to be changed to be not so good) > And as a general, pie-in-the-sky, comment: > > It seems that indexed mode editing is cumbersome, confusing, and > limited. When core operations are moved into a GEGL, The GIMP should > probably lose indexed mode editing (indexed formats autoconvert > to/from) and a separate tool be created just for this type of editing. > > More blue sky: > > It would be really slick if all GEGL-apps could shuffle images amongst > themselves, assuming that interface is intuitive. So that, for > example, an indexed editor, a pixel editor, a SVG editor, and a > prepress app could all have a 'window' onto a shared image stored in > GEGL space. > indexing images is used only because a good and free animation format has not been agreed upon or for games or simple graphics for speedy web pages. perhaps the need to continue to clutter gimp gui is more a failure of all of the communities who are supposedly there adding to the wealth of information that is already known about image manipulation and also about working with GIMP specifically to make images. how many different ways does the same thing need to be said? could (perhaps) everyone take a step back and a few minutes to consider that it is actually not possible to make an application that is as strong as GIMP that will work easily for people who will not take the time to become familar with it and get on with something that is more productive. i will be honest. i do not think that i will ever see that message in the status bar before i will see it in my own mind based on my experience(s). restated. where are we going? will we want to be there once we arrive? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Are @gimp.org aliases needed at all?
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 07:31:56PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: > > I am not really willing to ignore this issue any longer. I have had > several reports from people who received mails from [EMAIL PROTECTED] that > can be described as very irritating, to say the least. I think that we > can not any longer ignore this problem. I have asked Carol multiple > times to stop sending such mails, or at least not to use the gimp.org > mail alias for it. She has ignored these requests and did it again. What > do you suggest that we do? > i am curious if this mail actually came from me. i had a bad time in my life. really really really bad. that being said, i can be expected to be as patient with people who might be having a similar bad time. being let down by people you tried to be friends with is a horrible thing. i can thank my newer california 'friends' for this new understanding of how this world works and my ability to overlook it. right now, the mail i send is to gimp lists and also to old friends and family. there is a huge group of users on the old wilber computer. i can provide a list of these people. i am willing to guess that anyone of them would be more capable than me of hacking the mail server there. i find it additionally interesting the people who are new to gimp who have user space there. i was under the impression that wilbers space was very limited and indeed, there is not the space there for gtk to put their tarballs and the new computer sits dead here. can you share the complaint mail with me? i believe that i am fully capable of being able to determine what mail i authored and what mail i did not author. i even think that it would be useful to look at how the security of the berkeley host is. if you are unable to do this, can you shut up please? it would be interesting to see if the complaints are about mail i sent. i totally admit that i am not very happy sharing the same computers with so many screened users. 'neo' being one of them. and here is an honest question about how the user space is being allocated on both wilber and ircd. karine has space on both computers, where apparently, i have space on wilber but only symbolically on ircd. i have pulled down my web stuff repeatedly because of the perception i have that we work together. i did this for akkana and i also did and do this for karine. i left gimp-web development because karine spent so much time working on it and for it. it is karine being edhel online and in bugzilla and in the changelog, am i correct on this? perhaps we should all go through everything that people have a problem and claim what they actually did and did not do and be willing to be responsible for it. everyone who is unwilling to do this should leave. if i should be sorry that i did not aggressively take what was mine -- i don't actually have a language to be that way. i did not have the language to enable me to keep what was mine before i became involved. i do not like authoring my email directly from wilber like this. i do like my decision to wait until i/me, my physical body which is totally, typically and predictably human to be in my home with my own internet connection which i pay for from whatever living i can make in this horrible and broken world. i find it interesting how trying to work with karine and akkana doesn't help much. i will also find it interesting when i can read the complaints you are getting to see if it is about something i have done or written. thanks for all of the concern, carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 09:01:29PM +0200, Rapha?l Quinet wrote: > > So I am wondering... What should be the behavior of the Move tool > when a selection exists? Wouldn't it be good to have the ability to > move the selected pixels (and create a floating selection) instead of > moving the whole layer? This could be optional (new checkbox in the > tool options) because sometimes it is also useful to move the whole > layer while keeping the selection intact. But I guess that it would > be better to have the new option active by default. > i am trying to think of a case where i have a selection and i am trying to move a path and i cannot come up with one. i have had problems where i wanted the tool to move either a selection or a path and it was set to move layers. the little bit of frustration is not worth it to me to change the behavior of the tool for. Edit/Undo is always there for these things without complicating the gui even more in the name of simplicity. just my opinion, carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Tool statusbar error messages
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 03:50:28PM +0200, Rapha?l Quinet wrote: > On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:00:16 -0700, Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 02:17:34PM -0700, William Skaggs wrote: > > > From: Michael Natterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > >While doing so I noticed they are all bad and inconsistent. > > > > > > >"Indexed images are not currently supported."(heal) > > > > > > Healing does not operate on indexed layers > > > > > Healing cannot manipulate indexed images. > [...] > > I'll let the native English speakers decide if "does not operate on" > is better than "cannot manipulate", but otherwise I'm ready to add the > tests for the layer masks or channels. > i thought that using a word that was consistent with the name of the application would be not only helpful for native speakers but also for people translating and non-native speakers. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Tool statusbar error messages
we were discussing a few changes to this on the irc, On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 02:17:34PM -0700, William Skaggs wrote: > From: Michael Natterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >While doing so I noticed they are all bad and inconsistent. > > >"Indexed images are not currently supported."(heal) > > Healing does not operate on indexed layers > Healing cannot manipulate indexed images. > >"Indexed images are not currently supported."(perspective clone) > > Perspective Clone does not operate on indexed layers > Perspective Clone cannot manipulate indexed images. > >"Blend: Invalid for indexed images." > > Blend does not operate on indexed layers > Blend does not operate on indexed images. > >"Brightness-Contrast does not operate on indexed layers." > > okay > Brightness-Contrast cannot manipulate indexed images. > >"Curves for indexed layers cannot be adjusted." > > Curves does not operate on indexed layers > Curves cannot manipulate indexed images. > >"Levels for indexed layers cannot be adjusted." > > Levels does not operate on indexed layers > Levels cannot manipulate indexed images. > >"Posterize does not operate on indexed layers." > Posterize cannot manipulate indexed images. > >"Threshold does not operate on indexed layers." > Threshold does not operate on indexed images. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: Re: [Gimp-developer] plugin not installing
On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 09:12:58PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > bash-3.1#gimptool --help > bash: gimptool: command not found > bash-3.1#man gimptool > No manual entry for gimptool > if you are using linux, it is obvious that you have not installed libgimp-dev from your distribution. well, i abuse the word 'obvious' here. if you are using another operating system, probably it is best to get bill to explain his idea better. if you built your own gimp from the source, something is broken there. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: requesting a change in the defaults
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 10:46:00PM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > > Carol, actually, I don't understand your reasoning behind this > question. If we disable this controller by default, the very next > thing that will happen is gazillion of users asking why mousewheel > scrolling doesn't work. No matter how many times you will explain it > in mailing lists, on forums,in documentation -- that will just happen. > And guess who will suffer from spending their precious time on > explanations... > i understand that it goes against the current thinking of getting things to work on a computer without the user needing to know what they have or what other options they have or how to set a powerful piece of software to work for the things they have and all the different ways that one can personalize it. then there is that other thing about GIMP where you do not need the mouse wheel to scroll. then there is the other thing that perhaps the next round of forum people need something to talk about. complain about and feel the need to fix. then, there is the chance that if you cannot open the preferences and enable things yourself, that this application might be out of their reach in too many other ways as well. > IMNSHO, removing this setting from defaults should happen only if it > seriously breaks usability for "wheeless" users or even makes work in > GIMP absolutely impossible for them. And this is not that case, right? > this makes so much sense. logically and intuitively and all of those things that should matter. where this does not make sense to me is in how software is abused. i sense that this 'default' is being used to muddle the inner workings of the gimp developers. this sense i have -- i cannot give any kind of logical reason for it and probably you should do the right thing and trash this suggestion of mine. even with this irrational and undefinable feeling i have about this one default in particular -- i can live with it. what i am very very very unhappy with -- and this is about the world itself -- something is very very very wrong if almost everyone has to work anonymously. this suggestion has more to do with this problem than with any problem gimp has. and this suggestion is much more like house cleaning than anything else. thank you everyone for at least considering the suggestion, Carol M. Spears aka carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] requesting a change in the defaults
hello, long ago, the defaults that GIMP came with seemed to make sense to me. i just checked preferences and the defaults start with that mouse wheel controller to be automatically enabled by default. is this such a common mouse and are the users of such a mouse unable to set the default themselves? i would appreciate some consideration if this is such a good default to have. thanks, carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Python-FU GUI
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 10:44:24PM +0200, cedric GEMY wrote: > > i'm trying some nice python-fu. But i have trouble with those that use > PF-File. In fact, they're usually made ro work recursively in every > imagesof a directory. But with PF-FILE it is impossible to select the > directory. Is there any PF-DIR, or any solution to make them work ? > you can use PF-STRING in the gui and then handle the filename with things from the python os module. joao did this, and i did as well when the file selector was being broken for me the way you describe here. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] How to make a PyGimp plugin rerunnable?
On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 03:33:57AM +, David Gowers wrote: > > Yes, that was exactly what's needed. > Looks like '' means 'image is irrelevant' while '*' means 'all'. > it has been my experience that '*' always creates a script that will only run once and sit there grayed out in the menu as you described while '' always works if there is no image or if it is all image types. only put something there if you need to limit it to certain image formats. unless something has changed since i changed the way i write scripts. crol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Patches (was: Re: It's getting worse...)
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 11:39:44AM +0200, Neil Thompson wrote: > On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 01:47:54AM -0700, Carol Spears wrote: > > > > > Just go away Carol. > > -- > Cheers! (Relax...have a homebrew) > > Neil > > THEOREM: VI is perfect. > PROOF: VI in roman numerals is 6. The natural numbers < 6 which divide 6 are > 1, 2, and 3. 1+2+3 = 6. So 6 is a perfect number. Therefore, VI is perfect. > QED > -- Arthur Tateishi I think that you can be replaced with a simple eek bot or were. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Patches (was: Re: It's getting worse...)
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 10:11:18AM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: > > Michael Schumacher wrote: > > The preferred way to submit patches is to attach them to the > > corresponding bug in Bugzilla. It is easier to keep track of them there, > > e.g. by indicating that they need work, obsoleting old ones by newly > > added ones etc. > > > > See http://developer.gimp.org/ for more hints about GIMP development. > > I know you're trying to be helpful here, but when someone submits a > patch (by any medium), I think our first response should be "thank you". > I know that you are trying to help things out here, dave, but when someone who is already busy with things decides to help direct traffic, our first response should be, "yay! michael is still active" and then, "thank you, michael". > Since this is Karl's first patch, it would be nice to put the patch in > Bugzilla for him, and say "Thanks Karl! I've attached your patch to the > bugzilla report for review." I'm guessing Karl is a smart guy, and would > deduce "Ah - patches should probably be submitted in Bugzilla for > review". I've noticed that Sven does things like that regularly, by the way. > > If your first response is "you're doing it wrong - here's how to send a > patch", the chances of a next time are reduced. Now, I know I'm slightly > exaggerating the tone, but small stuff like this makes a difference in > making a place more welcoming and friendly, and we should all try to > make the developers mailing list more welcoming and friendly. > since michael is showing signs of perhaps juggling a few too many things i suggest that our tone be, "Michael, what can I do to help you" instead of "you can do this additional thing better if you do this thing i think you should do". this would help for everyone to keep it in perspective. and dave, thanks for your continued interest and willingness to express an opinion of how everyone should speak to each other. without such dedication to the project, i wonder where we would be now? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] fact roundup
On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 12:21:17AM +0200, Alex Fernandez wrote: > > If one does not want a discussion to get personal, one does not > mention somebody else's girlfriends. > this started as an attempt being made by me to find a better answer than this actual answer that i received. i was unhappy with this method to get on this contact list. thank you for helping me to clear that up. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] fact roundup
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 11:57:46AM -0500, Cody Russell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-07-20 at 12:43 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Thursday, July 20, 2006, 3:02:52, Simon Budig wrote: > > > > > I am sick of that kind of stuff. I am about to unsubscribe from > > > gimp-developer because of that kind of stuff - reading gimp-developer is > > > no fun anymore, because at any time you can hit a message that has a very > > > confusing and frustrating content. > > > > You can always create a rule to delete her messages on server, before they > > even have the chance to reach your mailbox. > > > > Except that this solution doesn't really fix the problem, which is that > she's scaring people away from GIMP. The real solution is for her to > follow Sven's suggestions and remove herself from the GIMP mailing > lists, stop using her gimp.org email alias, and stop using GIMP's irc. > just tell the list (and me) how one gets on the GNOME contact list for these booth things and all of the things that have been suggested will at least seem like they have been accomplished. personally, i don't like that Sven Neumann suggests that anything that Tim Ney did could be possibly interpreted as "filthy". it should not have gotten personal like that. i saw a bunch of photographs on planet gnome from guadec. they have since disappeared. it was what looked like some nice young men and the collection kindof looked like that old PROFIT collection of images i saw from miguel and nat from years ago. i am going to humbly suggest that these young men were pointing at the wrong place on their bodies, if this version of gimp/gnome/gtk+ developement and how it works is going to stay this way. thanks everyone for your time and opinions carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] fact roundup
On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 09:59:38PM +0200, Neil Thompson wrote: > On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 10:48:27AM -0700, Carol Spears wrote: > > > > others have mentioned that this list is a good way to talk to the people > > who might be able to and interested in sharing a booth with gnome. > > > > the process that one must go through to "qualify" is somewhat important, > > even if i or anyone else doesn't like those answers. > > > > i also did not mention any filthy rumors. i was talking about what a > > friend told me about when she managed the GNOME booth here. what > > possibly could be filthy about that? > > > As a gimp user of many years who has watched (put up with and hated) your > periodic immature bursts of vitriol, I have come up with a few alternative > explanations for your behavior (and possible work-arounds) - > > 1 - you're a paranoid schizoprenic (work-around - please make sure you've > been taking your medicine for at least 10 days before you post to the > list, or, better, take Sven's advice and "Please unsubscribe yourself > from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us alone.") > 2 - you're a lush (work around - please make sure you've been sober for > at least 10 days before you post to the list, or, better, take Sven's > advice and "Please unsubscribe yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists > and leave us alone.") > 3 - You're an unpleasant person with no life who gets pleasure from insulting > and demeaning people who (unlike you) are trying to get things done > (work-around - get a life and take Sven's advice and "Please > unsubscribe > yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us alone.") > > Personally, I think it's (3) and I have no idea why you're still permitted > to post with a "gimp.org" address and to have the "carol.gimp.org" DNS entry. > it is this: 4 - Not about any person, not personal. these questions i ask have nothing to do with me personally. i actually agree with some or all of the three things you did list, but none of them have anything to do with the questions i am asking. also, i was asking a question about the one person i know who was asked to be in attendence at one of these boothe events. i was asking about a nice volunteer. should i read between the lines that the volunteer process is actually filthy and disgusting or can i get an honest answer? i am sorry that i don't know or care about you enough to have one of the three opinions you took the time to make of me. carol > Just go away. > > -- > Cheers! (Relax...have a homebrew) [in the light of the above - that's probably > not a good > idea] > > Neil > > THEOREM: VI is perfect. > PROOF: VI in roman numerals is 6. The natural numbers < 6 which divide 6 are > 1, 2, and 3. 1+2+3 = 6. So 6 is a perfect number. Therefore, VI is perfect. > QED > -- Arthur Tateishi > ___ > Gimp-developer mailing list > Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] fact roundup
On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 08:35:40AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: > Carol, > > On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 13:10 -0700, Carol Spears wrote: > > > this is what i learned about how these booths are handled here in the > > San Francisco area. to be mailed about their existence and to know > > about where to get the literature and such, you must have been owen > > taylors girlfriend. > > Stop this now. We don't want this mailing-list to be a place where > people can spread such filthy and completely unfounded rumours. And > don't start to discuss this with me or even try to provide evidence. > Even if it was a fact, it's offtopic and simply doesn't belong here. > > Please unsubscribe yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us > alone. > let me get the information i asked for. others have mentioned that this list is a good way to talk to the people who might be able to and interested in sharing a booth with gnome. the process that one must go through to "qualify" is somewhat important, even if i or anyone else doesn't like those answers. i also did not mention any filthy rumors. i was talking about what a friend told me about when she managed the GNOME booth here. what possibly could be filthy about that? sincerely, carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] fact roundup]
On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 12:12:51AM +0200, David Neary wrote: > > > Carol Spears wrote: > > i discovered that the only way to get access to gnome information and > > booth stuff here is to have been owen taylors girlfriend at one time. i > > was never this and have not been able to get too much more information > > beyond this. > > See, this is both absurd and ridiculous, as well as being quite rude to > someone who is most unlikely to even see the insult. > i agree in that i did not like making this discovery. if i could change the rude fact about it, i would. what is rude though? that it works that way or that i mentioned it? > You get to do lots of stuff by (1) taking your destiny into your own > hands, and (2) gaining the respect of people around the project you're > working on over time. (3) Be careful not to lose the respect you gained > by going nuts. > > You get to go to trade shows to talk about GIMP or GNOME by sending an > email to the trade show organisers asking for a GIMP stand, and then going. > > You get access to money by suggesting what we can spend money on, and > then asking for it. We have donors, we have money. You can also try > looking for sponsors, as I did for Kristiansand and Lyon. > the example i have here shows that none of this is true. i totally agree that i failed in many of the other things like making my own destiny, blah blah blah. however, maybe there is a chance that i was unable to make my own destiny because the only way to access the project has nothing to do with the respect maintaining you mentioned and more to do with getting on a contact list. we are talking about sharing booths. i would like to know the method you personally, as overseer and whose "trust" matters when it comes to who should go where and such -- how do you contact people about sharing a booth with GNOME. if all you do is contact me, take my suggest and point out what a failure i am (and apparently expect me to argue with you) -- perhaps what has been broken all along is not me. i am sure that in your dreams all the right people are gotten ahold of but in the real world, how does it work? > > i suggest that the GNOME people who are handling the money explain how > > they work instead? > > GIMP people handle the GIMP's money. Myself, Sven and (from today, or > perhaps tomorrow) mitch. We receive all mail from GIMP donations, and up > until a few months ago, reply to it all thanking the donors (I have a > backlog). For every GIMP expense, I ask Sven what he thinks, and usually > details are posted here. We used to get monthly reports of the state of > the GIMP's finances, but since the departure of Tim Ney from the > foundation we haven't gotten those. > tims contact list for california only includes owen's ex-girlfriend. do you know this person? i got a personal "trust review" from you. can you provide one for this person as well? > > with an emphasis on the "working" part. it seems to > > work like this. they get the money, then they put their logo on the > > poster and tell owen taylors ex-girlfriends about it. what points in > > the process am i missing? > > Money arrives magically from the money fairies. It gets hoarded by the > evil GNOMEs until it doubles in size, then the GNOMEs cream 60% off the > top, and the poor rat-head Wilber gets less than was given. No-one knows > what to do with the money, so it rots in the GNOME's bank account. > Sometimes, someone decides to do something with the money, does it, and > then gets called dishonest. Of course, he was dishonest, because it > wasn't his money, it was the rat-head's, and the rat-head should decide. > if this is about the analogy of GNOME eating wilber that i made today, then i think a better analogy is of yosh holding the pillow over wilbers mouth and nose until he is certain that there is no life left. there is a big new dead computer here to testify to that. certain to be installed last November. now yosh. is yosh going to this event because you "trust" him or because he "shows gimp well" or what reason for this? or is having money to go yourself an adequate replacement for "trust" and "good displays"? > What part am I missing? > which is ruder, a situation or the mention of a situation? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] fact roundup]
i will address the text of the reply later today. it would be nice to wake up tomorrow and read a clear example of say, how one contacts people about a GNOME booth for an event in the northern california regions. not how i contact them, but how you contact them. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] fact roundup
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 10:44:38PM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: > Carol Spears wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 09:25:21PM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: > > For starters, maybe someone wants to write a short summary about the > fairs he or she did attend so far in order to represent GIMP or to do > other gimpy stuff? > i have only had enough access to the resources to allow me to conduct some research about how to get access. i discovered that the only way to get access to gnome information and booth stuff here is to have been owen taylors girlfriend at one time. i was never this and have not been able to get too much more information beyond this. i have, in fact spent so much time trying to find access to any real information that i am -- in that long while -- becoming more and more not the kind of person i ever wanted to be and definately not the kind of person who should go places for cool software like GIMP. i suggest that the GNOME people who are handling the money explain how they work instead? with an emphasis on the "working" part. it seems to work like this. they get the money, then they put their logo on the poster and tell owen taylors ex-girlfriends about it. what points in the process am i missing? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] fact roundup
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 09:25:21PM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: > Carol Spears wrote: > > > i need a little help remembering what else GNOME has been helpful to > > GIMP with. > > Shared booths at various trade fairs, AFAIK. For example at Linuxtag in > Germany, and the upcoming SIGGRAPH. Maybe others know more examples, and > also other benefits. > this is what i learned about how these booths are handled here in the San Francisco area. to be mailed about their existence and to know about where to get the literature and such, you must have been owen taylors girlfriend. i actually don't think that GIMP should work this way, if we still have a choice in the matter. how does one hear about shared booth space in other areas? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] fact roundup
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 09:25:21PM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: > Carol Spears wrote: > > > i need a little help remembering what else GNOME has been helpful to > > GIMP with. > > Shared booths at various trade fairs, AFAIK. For example at Linuxtag in > Germany, and the upcoming SIGGRAPH. Maybe others know more examples, and > also other benefits. > > IMO we should have some hints about the relationship of GIMP, GTK+ and > GNOME on www.gimp.org (or are there? I couldn't find anything). > GTK+ sure. but there are other gtk+ using desktop applications around. maybe jimmac should put the xfce4 logo on the poster for this event. it too is a desktop environment which uses gtk+. and we should look to see if there are others. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] fact roundup
GNOME has been very generous with its cvs (now svn i hear) server and bugzilla for GIMP. GNOME has also been very generous in its willingness to handle GIMP money. i need a little help remembering what else GNOME has been helpful to GIMP with. my backstory that leads me to asking this question is that i was told a few times that i am responsible for the demise of the gimp lists. i cannot argue with this nor will it help to repair things. one old woman could not possibly have hurt this project in a way that such a self-reported solid community as GNOME could not fix it? can you change my picture of the situation? i am certain it is not the right picture or an accurate picture. i willingly conceed that nothing since 2003 is the way i wanted or expected and probably i did all the wrong things and was rude to everyone who matters blah blah blah. it will be far more productive to concentrate on what GNOME does for GIMP beyond those two things i mentioned than all the things i have done wrong. i mean three things. cvs/svn, bugzilla and holding the money. in my life, everything has been mostly wrong for too long now. what about GNOME is so right? thanks, carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 46, Issue 16
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 11:27:55AM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: > > Carol Spears wrote: > > the letter has been deleted from the reply. maybe you could paste the > > email and be real clear about what i am missing. > > http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/msg11413.html > > > it is less than participating in a real exchange. it screws up > > threading. > > Is that my problem, or yours? I change the subject line usually - didn't > this time, since the subject was the digest. > if it is my problem, i only have it with digest responders. > > i believe that if you look at the letter i wrote again, you will see > > that i am asking nicely and with a little bit of humor that you work > > with a little more honesty. > > I missed that. So can you clarify, please, in what sense I'm being > dishonest? Also, if you could be very precise and explain to me why you > think that I am somehow making GNOME eat Wilber, that would be helpful. > the dishonesty would be found mostly in the realm where "politeness" and "competency" are confused. where professionalism excludes people who actually do things and are. i have gotten this sense or this feeling since the very beginning of this thread which is in another place in my inbox that the goal here is to make me angry and demand to go to boston. if you ask me to make a list of the ten places that i want to go to the most, that list would only contain one location. home. i want to go home. not to Boston, not to the next gnome koolaid tasting party -- to my home where i never actually wanted to leave from. there should be hundreds of people who can go to SIGRAPH and do better for GIMP than i can. possibly, these people have actually had the good fortune to have been managing their own lives for the last three or more years. i have the expectation that you and others working with things here have at least some familiarity with the community and a consistent presence. can you tell me clearly what is wrong with this expectation? > > how could this be aggressive? > > So - for clarification for my little brain: you're calling me dishonest, > incompetent, you're implying that somehow I'm stealing GIMP money (if > that's not the case, please explain what you mean by > Carol said: > > in fact, perhaps jimmac can find the time to make a tee shirt that > > states that wilber is dead. gnome can just steal gimps money and get it > > over with. > ) > i said that the letter contained no sign of competency and that since i was sure this was not the case, i asked for help to see it. that request was stripped from the reply. even now, there is no competency being shown other than the ability to politely say nothing and politely morph the communication. i think you are honestly doing that. i would like you to step up your honesty. i did not mean to suggest you were being dishonest, i was asking for stronger honesty. honesty, the original email -- it smelled like it was written by someone who had just paid a lot of money to go to one of those motivational speakers. i suggest that if you had written the same letter only after going to a concert or something, you would have seen the problems and the email would be different as it would have contained GIMP related content. > Now, in the light of all that, can you explain to me how that's not > aggressive? > oh the things i am writing are not aggressive at all. i am not stripping your emails. that is aggressive. aggressive is also to be found on your end of the emails, where the person replying tries to make the person with actual opinions look different and twist the original message. i am not practicing this type of aggression right now. for instance, in your plans, are there any GIMP people involved yet? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 46, Issue 16
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 09:13:13AM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: > > Carol Spears wrote: > > i keep looking for some sign of competence in this letter. dave is my > > friend and i am certain that he is competent to conduct this GIMP > > business, but i am looking for actual evidence of this in this email in > > particular. > > Pray tell - what evidence is there to the contrary? > the letter has been deleted from the reply. maybe you could paste the email and be real clear about what i am missing. > > personally, i would feel more confident in dave's competency in this > > position if he would feel passionate enough about it to actually read > > the gimp mail lists and even quit a few times since he feels strongly > > about things. > > So reading a mailing list through a digest is not reading a list? I > don't understand. And I did quit, remember? > it is less than participating in a real exchange. it screws up threading. > I'm feeling all this aggression Carol - is there something you'd like to > get off your chest? > no aggression here. confusion and disappointment yes. but this is hardly "aggression". i believe that if you look at the letter i wrote again, you will see that i am asking nicely and with a little bit of humor that you work with a little more honesty. how could this be aggressive? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 46, Issue 16
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 09:21:00PM +0200, David Neary wrote: > Carol wrote: > > there have been no other volunteers? > > Since I'm on digest (as I said before), could you keep me on the CC > line, please? I'll be more reactive that way. > > I have several volunteers - Jon Phillips will be there for CC and > Inkscape, Scott Bronson will be helping with GNOME, Jonathan Blandford's > organising some people from RedHat for GNOME, Glitz, AILGX and so on. > > For the GIMP, I still don't have any volunteers, but you yourself > suggested a few weeks back that I look for people who I knew were giving > a good image of the GIMP and invite them, rather than looking for > volunteers. That was good advice. Unfortunately, any number of things > have caused me to spend time not hunting down people, and I really need > some help doing that (as you did for Adrian). > i keep looking for some sign of competence in this letter. dave is my friend and i am certain that he is competent to conduct this GIMP business, but i am looking for actual evidence of this in this email in particular. can you please leave wilber off from whatever it is you are doing. in fact, perhaps jimmac can find the time to make a tee shirt that states that wilber is dead. gnome can just steal gimps money and get it over with. or -- i am totally wrong and this letter is just full of competence and i am just not seeing it. when i got mad on the irc and quit working on the web site those few time -- this one thing became the only unprofessional thing you could do with this project or something. i am going to suggest that this is not a good way to do things. personally, i would feel more confident in dave's competency in this position if he would feel passionate enough about it to actually read the gimp mail lists and even quit a few times since he feels strongly about things. this, what i see here, this is just sad. another possible tee shirt might be "we drank the gnome kool aid and then we ate wilber". carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] Call for art!
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 09:26:43PM +0200, David Neary wrote: > > (from the digest) > > Carol wote: > > or, if you are not using gimp money or gimp people, you can take wilber > > off the logo and just use the word GIMP instead. wilber and gnome don't > > have anything to do with each other, do they? > > I'm looking for GIMP people - particularly people who can give visually > impressive 15 minute demos of the GIMP. So I'm using both GIMP money and > GIMP people. > > I know that yosh will be in town, and pippin (but he'll be occupied), > and I know that you'd like to be there, but I haven't heard from anyone > else yet. > there have been no other volunteers? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] Call for art!
On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 08:17:51PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 18:22 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: > > > By the way, in case I wasn't clear before - this is one 30"x60" banner > > for both the GIMP and GNOME. > > > > If in doubt, then GNOME should be the dominant theme on there. > > Why does GIMP and GNOME have to go on a single banner? We were always > trying not to promote GIMP as a pure GNOME application. This seems to > contradict this effort. > or, if you are not using gimp money or gimp people, you can take wilber off the logo and just use the word GIMP instead. wilber and gnome don't have anything to do with each other, do they? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)
On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 03:27:19PM +0200, Gerald Friedland wrote: > > I do not quite understand your problems. I am an aloof developer who > has serious problems to understand user's problems. Please help me > out, maybe I am misunderstanding something? So please do not get me > wrong here. > heh. > What one defines foreground or background is not a matter of the tool > but a matter of the human being who is using the tool. > what is the purpose of a toggle that says "Background"? this was my expectation. i guess i would be an aloof user who refuses to try any longer to understand where the developers minds are at when they do things... when i toggled it from Foreground to Background, my expectation was to manage what was selected. it seems sort of silly now that i write about it. my goal was to make the parts i wanted to select be what was floated. perhaps a lot of the confusion would disappear if the background/foreground toggle disappeared. as i have considered it since using the tool, it makes sense to me that it makes no difference what is selected. however, the tool option is there. > I cut out the windows selecting them all with the lasso. > See: http://www.gerald-friedland.de/tmp/multiwindow_sel.png > i honestly wrote this before looking at any of the urls. bad form. i will apologize if that is helpful. i am still somewhat stuck with the image in my mind of where the developers minds are though carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 02:56:36PM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: > Von: Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 12:49:22AM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: > > > Carol Spears wrote: > > > > > > > it would not stay toggled and it seemed to be blind to the colors no > > > > matter what values i gave it. it only selected what i selected > > > > Can you provide and/or point out the image you tried it on? > > > > > it is the image that makes the tool options toggle? > > I'm mainly interested in the "color-blind" behaviour you're dexcribing, > unless this was a side effect of the unstable toggle. > > honestly, i have no idea if it was the irratic behavior of the tool (amplifying my frustration as was pointed out in another email about this/these problems) or tht the tool is stupid right now. the image is on my web log and also should be on layers.gimp.org. i wanted to put some of the detail back into the window that the original photograph lost because it was out of focus. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 12:09:24PM +0930, David Gowers wrote: > On 6/22/06, Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >http://carol.gimp.org/bikeshed/images/screenshot-2006-06-21.png > well, i did not use the tool on that image. that image is my desktop and what is wrong with some of the third party scripts with this new tooltip thingie. > > Okay. > It looks like there is a bug in the SIOX tool/gui that causes it to return > to the foreground setting unexpectedly, until the Control key is first > pressed, then it works as expected. > i appreciate that you tried to use the tool and can verify that it is returning to the foreground setting like that. > the 'Contiguous' option being off seems to be key in this case. > I still can't get it to do quite what i tried to make it do. > Anyway.. this is a dubious use of this particular tool; it was designed for > use on photographic-type images, which your example is quite unlike. I've > tried it on photographs and it generally performs pretty well. > For this case I would have guessed immediately Fuzzy select would be the > quickest route to success, and it did turn out that way: it took me ~45 > seconds to select all the gradients without the lines or windows. > pathtool works the best for me. i want to write a tutorial for siox though so i have lately been trying to use this tool so that i can write one. it was suggested at the gimp convention that a tutorial should be written. you know how suggestions go, you try to take the good ones and ignore the wrong ones. at least, this is the approach i am trying to take. > Though, I suspect that you are tied up in your frustration and thereby > preventing yourself from doing things effectively. Maybe you have a genuine > grievance or maybe you're just behaving lazy. Personally, I've always found > a workout(preferably involving approaching serious peril, and demanding > enough to get adrenaline running) good to clear my head and sort out my > feelings, decide on something. heh. i think that you are probably right about this. the situation is wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong for adrenaline running in my life right now. all i can do is sit and count the wrongs about it. this in itself is very frustrating. thanks for the verification, carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)
On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 03:36:53PM -0700, Carol Spears wrote: > > also, the tooltips are popping up some freaking huge tool tips. it is > the long help that is in the script-fu? i think it was some of the > third party scripts i have installed that were doing this -- i did not > find it at all helpful. > > is GIMP showing the help blurb or the about blurb from the scripts? > http://carol.gimp.org/bikeshed/images/screenshot-2006-06-21.png fitting a whole tutorial into that area does not really seem as if it was the most helpful thing let me apologize to everyone whose little freesoftware project i have been involved in for how many years is it now? i really had to send mail out to say that $3000 was not worth it for a nice girl to get involved in something like how this project worked. if i am following the logic that i have received locally, i was one of the first people to have become successful with something like GIMP. $3000 would not have kept me from having real life problems like i did and do. it would have been the very very wrong thing to just let other girls or nice people fall into the same trap. it seems like california has all of the problems michigan did, just with gender removed. it is more wrong to use and discard people than it is to have been nice and unable to live up to those expectations. also, sorry if actually USING the software makes it difficult to report bugs with that language everyone insists on. the fact that i am using it and that i was successful with the project and the people when i had my life and stuff really ought to count for something. mostly i am sorry that this world does not allow a girl to be successful at something without spending the next few years trying to and maybe succeeding in destroying her. do you know what has not been in my life now since may of 2003? love. if there is no love in a life or in a project it is just going to suck for everyone. everywhere around me, love is bought and sold and traded or only used to make families. let me be somewhere where there is some love and maybe even my stuff and then feel free to complain if i am not being nice. no outlet for when there is a problem. no love. no acknowledgement. and the biggest problem is this. it really looks like a bunch of mean minded little males or malelike females who keep a calendar and know when to start being unreasonable. and there. this email is perhaps the best example of what is wrong when you fit a whole tutorial into what should be a small space. you can see from the screenshot that there are some real problems with this new thing. if i am to consider that the developers who work with this project are human beings and have real life issues that need consideration and also that whatever i expect from them is just my own idea and i should not actually expect anything -- when does that start from those same people back to me? in closing, one of the things that i really really remember from when everything started to go so badly and wrong is something that scizzo said. i am paraphrasing now: "can we work next time as a team?" i never ever wanted to be alone working on this stuff. never ever did i ever think that i could accomplish anything alone. who do i thank? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 12:49:22AM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: > Carol Spears wrote: > > > it would not stay toggled and it seemed to be blind to the colors no > > matter what values i gave it. it only selected what i selected which, i > > could have used quickmask for and it would have been a lot less toggling > > and such. > > > > is the tool broken or are my expectations all wrong? > > Can you provide and/or point out the image you tried it on? > it is the image that makes the tool options toggle? when i select background, it is wrong for me to expect that background continue to be selected or it relies on the image to retain the toggle? that is a really intelligent tool then that will not retain the tool option toggle depending on the image. i think that the problem with the tool should not have anything to do with 1) the image being worked on or 2) who is using the tool. should i expect that when i toggle the tool options that they stay toggled? thank you for responding, btw. it is an interesting environment where every user matters except for one. what kind of environment is this good for? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 12:08:34AM +0200, Rapha?l Quinet wrote: > > Anyway, my main argument is that it would be more consistent with the > other tools: the other selection tools, the transform tools and the > zoom tool only consider the state of the modifiers before the first > click. Subsequent changes to the modifiers are ignored even if you > spend quite some time modifying the selection, the transform parameters > or the zoom area: only the initial state matters. > > I actually made the wrong assumption once or twice with the iscissors: > I wanted to add a new area to a selection so I pressed Shift before > clicking on the first point, then added more points, closed the shape, > clicked inside it and poof! my selection was gone. I naively thought > that it would behave as described above and I did not press Shift for > the final click. I lost my selection and I had no way to undo/redo > this, except by re-selecting. But maybe I am the only one who has this > expectation for the selection tools? I don't know. Only some usability > tests could tell what is best... > i really tried to use siox this weekend. it is so confusing, i have no idea what to expect from it or if what happened to me was a bug. the default is foreground extraction. i wanted it to background extract and toggled this tool option. it toggled itself back to foreground and it also could not see an honest line that was in the image. a dark brown/gray area that ended in a very straight line before a very bright (luminescent even) area started (which was the background i wanted to extract. it would not stay toggled and it seemed to be blind to the colors no matter what values i gave it. it only selected what i selected which, i could have used quickmask for and it would have been a lot less toggling and such. is the tool broken or are my expectations all wrong? i am honestly way to baffled to go to bugzilla with this even. it would be one heck of a status bar message to explain how to use this tool. also, the tooltips are popping up some freaking huge tool tips. it is the long help that is in the script-fu? i think it was some of the third party scripts i have installed that were doing this -- i did not find it at all helpful. is GIMP showing the help blurb or the about blurb from the scripts? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] new default icon theme proposal
you all took the blue pill didn't you? this is just another Aqua theme. if we do not count downloads, how come we worry about making it easy to use to the point where it looks like just another aqua-themed application? i appreciate the work that went into this, just i also know that mr. steiner prides himself with making a "clean" look. i would like you to consider that the word "clean" and the word "icon" contradict themselves in almost all of the meanings of those words. these icons are going to clash so much with my desktop. if we do not count downloads, then what is the reason that we seem to think that we have to develop/change it to be easier to use? because anonymous people in forums paste the same thing that some person wrote a few years ago? please at least provide the option to not go aqua carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] testing GAP with our latest GIMP author
hi, i am in an interesting situation here. i live in the same area as the latest gimp author http://gimpbook.com/ this area is Mountain View, California. it is very much to my dismay that i have not *seen* akkana since we celebrated her birthday in 2004. i humbly submit that i also did not press her or ask her to take time from her busy life to spend time with me. i asked once, i determined that if this was not enough to get a time in her very very busy schedule, that i would just be privately sad about this and wait until the book came out. well, the book is out now and interestingly enough, the GIMP Animation Plug-in is in need of testing before its release. i would like to kill two birds with one stone (which is an old fashioned phrase meaning to do to jobs at one time) and get some movies of akkana signing her book. akkana has suggested that we meet at a linux user group. the problem i have with the local linux user groups is that the public is invited, but if friends and people you know are not available to help you to attend, they are not so public after all. (something like the demolition plans that were mentioned in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, where the plans were made public, but in a basement and filed safely from notice) i would like the opportunity to use my little camera to film akkana at a real book signing. like at a mall of one of the local bookstores. i am not afraid of the real public, in fact, by now, i would prefer it. akkana herself is very experienced with the professional world, having been hired at one time by mozilla and also from her work with the local astronomy club. me, all i can do apparently is to write about how other people are able to use GIMP in this world. i am fine with this role. i don't even mind extending my debt just a little more to enable Akkana to advance even further in life than she already has in the world of free software. it would be my honor and pleasure, even. any ideas about accessible local bookstores for Akkana to have a book signing that i can film? thanks, carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp certification
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 10:36:19PM -0700, Carol Spears wrote: > On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 12:13:51AM -0500, Clarence Risher wrote: > > 1) What does GIMP stand for? > > > > 2) What does GNU stand for? > > > > 50% is a passing score. 100% qualifies for Advanced rating. > > > heh, this is a problem test because it would mean that one of our > mentors for the Summer of Code would not have an advanced rating. > well, my apologies are needed maybe. i asked and learned that GIMP used to stand for General Image Manipulation Program for a short while. the acronym was changed in 1997, probably when it was accepted as a GNU based project. when i looked at the tutorials, web sites and all the information that was available when i started to use it in 1998, there was no mention of the word General on anything. not even an accidental typo. i actually spent a few moments chuckling over the story that can be made from the words Kernel and General. Kernel sounds like Colonel and Generals outrank Colonel's here. http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/insignias/officers.html but eh, what are names good for? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp certification
On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 12:25:59AM +0100, Alan Horkan wrote: > > On Sat, 13 May 2006, Carol Spears wrote: > > > this is an interesting idea/observation. i wonder if you can clarify by > > either presenting a real life example of this or by stating clearly that > > this is what you imagine might happen. > > In all seriousness I would not risk putting the word "gimp" anywhere on my > CV and I have had funny reactions (funny weird, never funny ha ha) when > explaining the GIMP to users not already familiar with it. If you really > wanted to make a point and include it then "GNU Image Manipulation > Program" would get the job done. Besides if one was applying for a > graphics job it would be your portfolio which was important not your > familiarity with particular software, although I'm sure it would be a > bonus to know a variety of creative tools. (I do list that I am familiar > with scripting in scheme.) > okay, thank you about explaining the risks your feelings give you about this. what i would like to know for certain is if it is a feeling or if you have a real life example of this? > > a statement like this, if it really could happen, would clearly show how > > completely unprofessional the "professional world" would be and would be > > a very good reason for good people to take things over. > > Interviewers are notoriously shallow, how few people risk going to a job > interview not wearing a suit? (Rhetorical question.) > here is a lot of the same crap i have written for years. it has nothing to do with GIMP beyond the fact that i have displayed skills and ability with it and the project that are difficult (for me) to explain. i am much better at telling about other peoples skills. about suits: my job as a waitress for so many years in the rural midwest, while i did not make an income in which i could actually afford to live in the area on, i did learn a lot about people through my own observations and the observations of the other women i worked with. the following observation was not mine, but instead my friend there who pointed this one stupid thing out about a very problematic group of people for us there. in that state, there was a corporation built of motivational speakers. they would speak to groups of people who paid to hear them and then the way it worked, you paid them everytime you got others interested in the same thing. it is called a pyramid and even before i had college mathematics, i could easily see how futile useless and dangerous this was. but i am all in favor of choice. if you think that is a worthwhile way to work and something you want to do, then have at it. here is the suit point. after a meeting, many of them would go to eat at the restaurant. often right before we closed. they were all "motivated" at that point and wanted everything right now an either did not or could not tip. my friend pointed out that this mass of people all wore suits with tennis shoes. the effect for me was sympathy. in my mind, they had been humiliated into this mental and imaginary thing and all they could do was be abusive to waitresses with it. and they paid to get this "feeling". that being said, i have been in a public place where my shoes did not match my nicer clothing. the wrong kind of sandals with the dress. i was trying to feel pretty though, not get a job. restaurants are interesting places. i worked as a bartender in a corporation owned restaurant for a while. due to its location, there were a few airline pilots that would come to the little bar there. the pilots had a rule that they could not drink within the eight hours before their next flight. drink alcohol. i watched men who were passed out drunk and knew they would be getting into the cockpit of an aircraft and still be in a condition of dangerous levels of substance abuse. there is an example of rules in action. about names: carol means song in french. i consider music and musicians to be my "motivational speakers". they make no promises though. i look back on my life and see where i loved the song but did not listen to the lyrics so well. this makes me laugh now because it is funny. i was a naive teenager singing about my first encounter as a gay man at the top of my lungs. this is funny stuff when you get older, or it should be. even though my name is carol, i can't sing. so the point is (at the end of a too long and too off-topic email) this: i don't want to be hired by a company who has stocked its employees by such an interviewer as you have described here. do you? apparently, in your situation the world is being run by people who are unable to do their job. and you are in a position where you need to answer to them. i am taking a different approach to the same problem. i have done the job and need the people
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp certification
On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 08:21:50PM +0100, Alan Horkan wrote: > > On Sat, 13 May 2006, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris wrote: > > [...] > > > Besides that, certifications are sometimes sought for those without > > the abilities or application to stand by themselves, either in their > > C.V. or personally. > > Listing "GIMP" [1] as one of your qualifications on a resume is more > likely than usual to result in misunderstandings over the project name. > I wouldn't risk it, you never know what the evil people in Human Resources > might do to you. > this is an interesting idea/observation. i wonder if you can clarify by either presenting a real life example of this or by stating clearly that this is what you imagine might happen. a statement like this, if it really could happen, would clearly show how completely unprofessional the "professional world" would be and would be a very good reason for good people to take things over. if this is an imaginary situation, then perhaps it would be best to state this. even i can imagine how horrible the professional world can be. seeing some of the crap that is produced from these exisiting machines does not help what my imagination does to fill in the blanks. please, make this statement to be what it is. it is either imaginary or you have a real life example of it. thanks, carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp certification
On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 12:13:51AM -0500, Clarence Risher wrote: > 1) What does GIMP stand for? > > 2) What does GNU stand for? > > 50% is a passing score. 100% qualifies for Advanced rating. > heh, this is a problem test because it would mean that one of our mentors for the Summer of Code would not have an advanced rating. carol > On 5/12/06, Olafur Arason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >I think Gimp should have something like Adobe Certified Expert. > >This would ensure that gimp trained individuals could show > >that they know Gimp like it's possible to test what you know > >about Photoshop. > >This test should be hard, but not it the memorize everything > >kind of hard, this would be to ensure that people that get > >this degree actually know something about Gimp. > >What would you think a person with this degree should > >know? > >Is anybody on this list willing to participate in this? > >Is certification such a bad idea that Gimp should > >associate it self with it? > > > >LPI is interested, but there is nothing definite > > > >Olafur Arason > >P.S Please don't say it takes to much time, making true color > >management work in Gimp also takes time but I don't see > >anybody say that we should not do it because of that. > > > >___ > >Gimp-developer mailing list > >Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > >https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer > > > > > > > ___ > Gimp-developer mailing list > Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] PDF import
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 02:23:26PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > "Nathan Summers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> 2) Why the link above isn't in the "GIMP for Windows" page? > > > > It probably should be. *makes silent guestures suggesting that the > > gimp web team take note* > > What web team? In case you didn't realize, there is no active gimp web > team for some years now and only a minimum of maintainance work is > being done by occasional contributors. > we discussed this a lgm. axel volunteered to help and raphael. karine said she would help with content. the new web site has the software put together and working, it is in need of updated content and a different style. axel and raphael were to be working on a registery replacement. i haven't heard from either of them about this since the meeting. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] a project suggestion
tor was noticing how the map object plug-in preview is not so great on the irc a few hours ago. i searched bugzilla to see if there had been anyone that noticed this AND reported it there. it still goes unreported, but i noticed that there were 160 bug reports about only the plug-ins. one of the really big problems with considering to include new plug-ins is the maintenance. i think a great summer project might be to tackle just the plug-in bugs. here is the url for them: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?&product=GIMP&component=Plugins&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&ctype=html if this sort of thing would be an acceptable SoC project, then i will spend the time to make the urls for the individual plug-ins. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: Project proposal: Resource contribution, distribution and management system (was: Re: [Gimp-developer] Google Summer of Code 2006, to whom it may concern)
eek! i am replying to my own reply! On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 12:18:26PM -0700, Carol Spears wrote: > On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 09:52:32PM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > > On 4/17/06, Michael Schumacher wrote: > > > > > The initial idea: > > > > > > Provide a system that allows anyone to contribute and maintain resources > > > (brushes, palettes, scripts, plug-ins, ...) for GIMP, and have it > > > organized in a way that makes it easy for GIMP users to access these > > > resources. > > > > I wonder if you have read this: > > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/create/2006-March/000314.html > > ;-) > > > we have been discussing a gimptool-get which would be similar to debians > apt for a very long while. > > the same way that the web site redesign has been "in my head" and the > tools sitting right on my computer, i think that this framework already > exists in the minds of people who are currently working on gimp and > still involved. > > my idea is that these people should get this stuff off from their > computers and get it working within the gimp project. then, since gimp > is free and gpl, creative commons can get it, fix the problems and gpl > and cc can start to work together again. or for the first time, i > dunno. > > we all have personal agendas. me included. i feel that a time of > testing everyones little personal agendas for what will work and what > will not work has been long enough for everyone to work it out for > themselves. > > creative commons was as bad to gimp as google was. not including gimp > in things. i tried to discuss this with people involved there and all i > got was some fuzzy blog things about creative commons not being a > commune. i will be honest with anyone involved with that stuff, this is > no way for projects to communicate or work together. > > that being said, it is difficult to show anything while all this stuff > sits on the developers computers and doesn't make it to the public. > news from the front: manish singh (yosh on irc) has agreed to put his idea for the framework for gimptool-get into something that can be useful as a SoC project. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: Project proposal: Resource contribution, distribution and management system (was: Re: [Gimp-developer] Google Summer of Code 2006, to whom it may concern)
On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 09:52:32PM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On 4/17/06, Michael Schumacher wrote: > > > The initial idea: > > > > Provide a system that allows anyone to contribute and maintain resources > > (brushes, palettes, scripts, plug-ins, ...) for GIMP, and have it > > organized in a way that makes it easy for GIMP users to access these > > resources. > > I wonder if you have read this: > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/create/2006-March/000314.html > ;-) > we have been discussing a gimptool-get which would be similar to debians apt for a very long while. the same way that the web site redesign has been "in my head" and the tools sitting right on my computer, i think that this framework already exists in the minds of people who are currently working on gimp and still involved. my idea is that these people should get this stuff off from their computers and get it working within the gimp project. then, since gimp is free and gpl, creative commons can get it, fix the problems and gpl and cc can start to work together again. or for the first time, i dunno. we all have personal agendas. me included. i feel that a time of testing everyones little personal agendas for what will work and what will not work has been long enough for everyone to work it out for themselves. creative commons was as bad to gimp as google was. not including gimp in things. i tried to discuss this with people involved there and all i got was some fuzzy blog things about creative commons not being a commune. i will be honest with anyone involved with that stuff, this is no way for projects to communicate or work together. that being said, it is difficult to show anything while all this stuff sits on the developers computers and doesn't make it to the public. blah, blah, blah... carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] .:: GIMP Command Line Issue ::.
hello, On Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 09:43:43AM +0200, Mohamed Hassan wrote: > color=#80 size=2>HI > iam making a utility > to do batch processing for blur filters (command Line) using GIMP,i have > tried the batch and it is working fine, but it takes around 30 seconds to run > on my > machine (I have a 3GHz processor, 1GB ram, windowsXP?)?? face=Arial color=navy size=2>When I use the Windows interface for GIMP, it doesn?t > take more than a couple of seconds at max to apply face=Arial color=navy size=2>any of the blur filters (so it is not a machine issue?). > > most of the time used to load > filters/fonts/plug-ins/scripts/extensions > how can i dont load these extra with > me when running batch file & how can i use a single instance of GIMP > to run all my command? > Thanks > i apologize for not stripping the irrelevant stuff from this email. the way i have run gimp from the commandline and had it perform many tasks in one instance is to write a script for it. win-gimp has a script-fu interpreter for this. i am using linux so i get python. an application that is available for doing these tasks from the command line is ImageMagick although the difference between learning to run this from the commandline and writing script-fu for gimp might be small. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Comments on gimp's interface
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 12:17:45AM +0200, Fr?d?ric van der Essen wrote: > [ ---snipped a nice bio and other good to read things ] > > - Gimp's worst popups: i can talk about these > * if i must save a .png over an existing one there is no less than 5 > popups... with the most useless "warning .png can't export layers, are > you sure .?" The content of these 5 popups can fit in the first one, or > better, in the save file dialog. ah, the export dialog. using gimp-1.0 made me avoid these! if you are working with a non-transparent png, then simply flatten and save. then edit-->undo to get back to the layered (possible mess) you were working on. "Save as copy" can avoid changing the name of the image window, which is really nice for saving the xcf. what i would like to see is an additional option in the Merge Visible Layers dialog, which would allow to merge the visible layers and dispose of the non-visible layers so that saving a transparent png can be just as simple. the complicated export dialog is there because (perhaps) there have been so many new and inexperienced users to gimp complaining about accidentally exporting an image that they really really wanted to keep (had they understood things better). perhaps the export dialog is one of the things that could be changed in an "expert" and "beginner" Preference. > * when using the crop tool, a giant popup pops right where fred is > cropping, ??? > all the asked options of this popup can be placed in a panel with > the tool options. dude, you need to install the last gimp-2.3 tarball! this is fixed already and in need of expert testing! > * Filters popups : They are - Huge (against #4) with a very small > preview (yes i know about the settings) they should be very small, with > a huge preview in the main window. (like the crop tool) > the same gimp-2.3 has zoomable previews. both gimp-2.2 and gimp-2.3 have a modifiable preview size via your gtkrc, i put a howto online for this: http://carol.gimp.org/gimp2/basics/gui/gtk/gtkrc.html it will make the filter (plug-in) window larger. David Odin has recently made some more improvements to the previews. like the new croptool, they are in need of testing from users less happy with things than me. about the rest of the suggestions, there are other people involved who are far more qualified to answer those. these felt like productive suggestions to me, thank you! one thing i did see was something about firefox tabs. i often wish that firefox tabs worked more like gimps. gimps tabs can be moved around and managed sanely. i only recently discovered firefox dnd tabs -- not as good in my opinion. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Plea for a new interface for the GIMP
tor, so dark in this reply? On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 10:50:17PM +0300, Tor Lillqvist wrote: > Carol Spears writes: > > another really awesome approach to fixing this problem would be to write > > a window manager for windows! you would become famous and wellknown in > > all of the software communities if you could accomplish such a task! > > Hmm, no. Don't mix up things here. The X11 protocol was designed from > the start to have well-defined and well-separated special clients > called "window managers" that do a specific job and are > interchangeable, and there is no *the* standard window manager. > > In Windows, however, things are way different. Sure, there are some > 3rd-party replacements for the Explorer "shell" (which is what > corresponds most closely to the concept of window manager in X11). But > I don't think one can seriously consider them more than fringe > efforts. (Sure, I am certain they have a bunch of fanatical followers > as fringe efforts usually have...) > what about an x11 emulator first then? something like wine only to run on windows and make it easier to work like you are on x11. they could call it "whine" even it is the same computer underneath all of this stuff. i find it difficult to believe that windows sits on the same hardware so very very tightly that a motivated and intelligent person could not make something work there. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Pea for a new interface for the GIMP
On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 04:24:42PM -0400, Roland Wild wrote: > >but I think you have not understand my aim which was not to make noise > but to improve. my aim was to explain that there are many options than just voicing your ideas here on this mail list. this mail list used to be very alive and passionate about making software. > As I said before, I'm not a developper (so I'm not able to make my own > patches even if I would like) nor a profesional designer. I'm just a simple > user who want to contibute at his level. > Another thing: I use the GIMP because it's the best alternative to draw and > manipulate photos in the freesoftware world and I'm a GNU/Linux user for > years now. What is done in other softwares like paintshoppro or photoshop > (and thus gimpshop) for example does not interest me here... and I think > these softwares meet the same problems when it is about saving screen space > to draw (on 17" screen). So I ask you the same question: Don't you feel the > GIMP interface may be "uncomfortable" to use at lengh? If your answer to > this question is no, I take back my comments and I will review my own use of > the software. i am difficult to improve software for. i say this because i loved gimp-1.0.2 when i first got it. my workflow involved the software that i had. me and gimp and a very small computer that ran linux ran circles around a photoshop user, the huge (in comparison) computer that i use now and windows. it seems to be out of fashion to use what you have and try to determine the reasons it works the way it does. gimp has kept up with my needs and work flow. due to the ease in scripting it, as i needed to do more, gimp was able to do more. i was actually surprised at how much i liked the new gui in gimp-2.0. but even then, it is a lot the gtk+ developers who made things that made sense to them. gimp uses these widgets. gtk+ is the gimp toolkit, btw. using linux for years and knowing where the software comes from and who writes it are different things. >What I don't understand is the maneer you consider a simple user can > contribute to a project. Is it only the developpers who have the right to > their software or can the users bring their feelings about the use of it? If > these users are not able to develope a patch don't they have right to speak? >I respect the work of the GIMP developers creew and by propose my vision > I don't think I work against them. > i tried to answer questions on the gimp-user list and i lurked on the developer list for a long while. if a user feels that making a suggestion is a good contribution, first this user should probably look to see if the suggestion has been made before and what happened from that. other ways to contribute would be to translate tutorials for other software apps (like photoshop or paintshoppro or even microsoft paint) into gimp tutorials. there is also the gimp documentation project, i don't know how complete or good the gimp-help docs are -- i understand there are some areas that could be better or more complete. i ask the following as a simple question. here is the background to this question as well. after i used the humble gimp-1.0 and had such a great success (by working with it) i felt nothing but respect for the people who wrote it and tried to think like they did. now here is my question, as a user, what made you think that your suggestions (that were perhaps without research or similar respectful background searches) would be helpful? i really believe that you consider it to be helpful, i am trying to understand the logic that got you there. perhaps you think that the developers are paid. maybe you did not consider tutorial writing because again, you considered this to be a "we hire you based on merit" position. as you can see, i have a difficult time building the logic that got you here with your suggestions. my approach with the gimp developers long ago was the same approach i would like people to take with me when i have been involved with something that i considered so wonderful and beautiful as the gimp i get when i "work with it". here is how another user contributed. at the lgm meeting, i have no idea where he came from or how far he travelled to get there. after much discussion about things, he raised his hand and said that he had been a user for years and was really happy with gimp. maybe you could make a web page for people like that to have a voice. that sure felt better and i think he did enough research to confidently say what he did. i appreciate your enthusiasm, carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp-Python with no ui? (external script)
On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 03:01:31PM +0200, Ministeyr wrote: > Carol Spears wrote: > >i asked because i put instructions of how to do this online. > > > >i have a crontab that runs gimp. > > > >that being said, it has been running for so long now, i have no idea > >what sort of mess it is making, but it was all so easy that it was a > >pleasure to put the instructions online. > > Well, i don't know if that is exactly what i meant, but i would still be > grateful if you could give me the url to that document. > Thanks. > http://carol.gimp.org/gimp/scripting/routines.html#shell carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] A few suggestions forThe Gimp
hello, i cut a lot of really positive and good comments from this email. i am sorry to do that, but the format was difficult for this mail list. did you send mail in html format? maybe the line length was too long. at any rate, your email included wishing for an image browser based on the MySQL database. this is sort of an old url by now, but the original gimp news person wrote this about that: http://www.xach.com/aolserver/mysql-to-postgresql.html i will totally admit that i have no idea how much this applies to your wishes, but one thing about the original gimp news person; he really loved linux. there is another thread on another list right now about the xsane plug-in. i mention it here because this might be a very good approach to get what you want. and if it is written properly with a good base software, then all of the different art applications should/might be able to benefit from it. the xsane plug-in works this way. you install xsane and it sees if you have gimp installed and adds itself to the menu. there are always problems with this plug-in but it is dealing with hardware which is not as simple or predictable as pure software applications. it is difficult for me to imagine what it is that you want, especially given the way that photoshop doesn't work on linux. i tend to refuse to use wine to get access to apps that do things that already work (often better) here on linux. but if you could find clever and ambitious people who could possibly write this thing that you described and write it in a way that works with all of the gpl'd applications, we would be certainly getting somewhere and the total of all of these groups will probably make the giants beg for mercy, or something like that. maybe quiver and die. or even better, re-define themselves and provide a better challenge next time around. it would be a nice project for some new and motivated upstarts! thanks again for the positive feed back. microsoft tends to produce a whine that is so irritating at times that the desire to remove access to the software becomes very strong! and that is no way to live. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Plea for a new interface for the GIMP
On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 02:01:07AM +0200, Alex Fernandez wrote: > > Please read through the list archives to find these suggestions; maybe > you can come up with a way to convince GIMP developers, since a lot of > users have the same feeling as you do. > what you will probably find in the archives and in bugzilla is something like repetition and the people who are actually working on gimp getting bored and tired of it. here is the real thing as i see it. no one has a problem with changes to gimp. the very existence of gimpshop is evidence of this. the gimp developers have their own opinions about gui and layout, but i have seen them listen to people and such for a long while now. the fact is, they are working on things that are more appealing to them. here is how to get your desires into gimp. write a patch and attach it to bugzilla and deal with the peer review. as a user who tried paintshoppro, photoshop and gimp at the same time and opted to use gimp, i ask that you make these changes so that i do not have to work that way. have it set up in the preferences. another really awesome approach to fixing this problem would be to write a window manager for windows! you would become famous and wellknown in all of the software communities if you could accomplish such a task! the standards for this window manager that all of the cool free software applications have agreed to use can be found at: http://www.freedesktop.org so if you follow those guidelines, you will be working with us and not against us. if changing gimp only is what you want, please make your patch so that it can be accessed via preferences so that the faithful users (not like me, i am talking about the silent and perhaps majority) who like gimp the way it is will not be put off or disappointed. noise is one thing. it is an important thing, but it is not terribly useful. at least not in the freesoftware world. if you were a car and complaining about safety, that is a different type of noise. i can hear the silence of respect, can you? back to the patch. make it so that it is manipulated via the preferences and attach the patch to bugzilla and be nice about the peer review. it is easy to work with them! or, if working with the actual gimp developers is something you abhor or are adverse to, maybe the people who brought you gimpshop are more to your liking. the thing about freesoftware is that much of it is up to you. it is not like there is only one way to do things. and, a swift end to yet another noise thread on the list is the very very best thing. thanks, carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp-Python with no ui? (external script)
On Thu, Mar 30, 2006 at 08:02:51PM +0200, Ministeyr wrote: > >what os will you be using this on? > > > >carol > > I'm developping it for and under a Debian-testing system (on amd k7), > and plan to use it possibly also on an Ubuntu Linux. > I won't need windows support. > i asked because i put instructions of how to do this online. i have a crontab that runs gimp. that being said, it has been running for so long now, i have no idea what sort of mess it is making, but it was all so easy that it was a pleasure to put the instructions online. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp-Python with no ui? (external script)
On Thu, Mar 30, 2006 at 03:31:12PM +0200, Ministeyr wrote: > I need to make an external Python administration script, wich > occasionnally uses gimp functionnality (especially to convert to/from > xcf files). Is there a way to use this functionnality without starting > the ui? > I need something like that: > > import gimp_noui as gimp > gimp.startgimp()#start the gimp in background process > pdb.file_load(whatever...) > #do something here... > pdb.file_save(whatever...) > gimp.stopgimp() > Thanks. what os will you be using this on? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 04:22:19PM +0100, PLinnell wrote: > > In defense of the GIMP team, they are (unfairly IMO) criticized by > those who are not attuned to the actual state of development and > their stated goals. > > Call it support fatigue if you will, but these kinds of issues have > been discussed to death and the GIMP developers have clearly, in many > places, stated their goals and their reasoning behind it. > if i can add my view to this i remember when tor first ported gimp to windows. this was a wonderful time in gimp development and a lot of that had to do with tor himself. he did not demand and insist that the port be made, he asked questions as he worked on it. those emails were some of the nicest of exchanges i have ever read on this list. the way tor spoke so respectfully to all of the people who were active at the time, even old enemies dropped their problems with each other and joined together to help him. this was inspite of the fact that none of them were very happy about gimp being used on windows. i don't think that everyone needs to be as eloquent as tor lillqvist (although, wouldn't that be nice! me included!) but it is easier to be have effective communications with this group if you ask questions while you are working yourself on it. and tor, god bless him, was having problems getting his scanner to work on linux, heh. i read that page. thanks for all of the interested parties... carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] pspi for gimp on linux
there are rumors lately that tor will be working on getting the pspi filter thingies working on linux. when they become available will that be announced on this list? i am curious to no end about these; my idea is that even i will be able to write a pure gimp equivelent of them. they simply have not been available to me on the computer that i use yet. there is always the chance that photoshop plug-ins are a magical thing that a simpleton like me could not ever concieve of emulating, it would be nice for me to know this though. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 06:59:40PM +0100, Alex Fernandez wrote: > Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > > > It was countless times announced by developers in this and other > > mailing lists that they do wish to improve GUI of GIMP, but that they > > don't want to clone PS. Sven wrote a special posting about it in his > > blog recently. All of this is publicly available information, cached > > by Google. > > Yes, I have read it countless times on this very same list. I suppose > it must be tiring after a few years, but still. > there is a bigger picture that is missing when people make this request, at least it might be. let me try to explain this bigger picture as i see it. it is much more fun to write this stuff to fill in gaps that the big guys left out. i watch in my world as the large and capable merchant machines squeeze out the little merchants, for instance. at the same time, i lived there and the little merchants were not the best players in the world either, so it is really not a good guy vs bad guy example i am making. i have been watching the gimp developers work for years now. it is interesting to see the impact that gimp has had on photoshop. gimp improved photoshop, if what i saw was accurate. lately, it *looks* like the only thing that photoshop has left to work with is that "everyone wants gimp to look like it". poor photoshop! this once proud application is now seeming to beg gimp to look like it. it is a better world and a better (for lack of a different word) game and more fun to play (play like play the game or play like play in the world) if photoshop can stress the gimp developers by its functionality and its ability to change the world by making good graphics and not stressing the gimp developers. gimp should be there for those users who understand that they do not want to steal and that this desire to not steal means they might have to learn to do things differently. i probably should apply the same logic to points in my life, but that is a different thread that does not belong on this list. no matter how direct our answers or tired the developers seem, honestly, it is really cool to have gotten your attention. if you can help photoshop to not look so desparate, the software world will probably be better for it. as usual, i might be wrong again about all of this carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 02:39:04PM +0100, Marega Marco wrote: > First of all I have to tell I'm not a developer, but just I'm helping with > italian translation of the program. > > I read all the messages that created this flame war. > Through the lines I found a few good ideas that if implemented toghether > should > be a good compromise between Gimp and PS interface. > we have different definitions of "flamewar" i think. when i read this thread, it really seemed like a discussion to me. there is one thing that we all were in agreement on at the lgm meeting this last weekend. i would like the following to be read as a simple statement of fact and not as a means to hurt anyones feelings. the single thing we easily agreed on is that gimp doesn't really need new users or strive to be the most used software. gimp is in need of developers. not just any developers either. it is somewhat difficult to get into stride with the ones that have been working on gimp for so long. there is a desire for elegance in the code that is not understood by everyone. there were several art making applications at the meeting. everyone was surprised at how few actual developers there were making these wonderful and free applications. in this very big world now, it can be confusing (i imagine) to join us in our little part of it. gimp has never been written with the goal of huge masses of users that need to be pleased. it has been written with quality and efficiency in mind. as a long time user, i get frustrated because many of the people who want compromise from gimp developers have paid for photoshop instruction either through classes or literature. i really really found that if you learn how gimp works, you will find yourself not limited to only gimp in your newly acquired abilities. it should be like changing your diet, i think. where you discover that certain foods hurt you even when you like them. it takes a little discipline and open mindedness and you can change your diet and improve yourself. i am certain it is confusing to users of other software from other environments. gimp development has never ever been driven by the need to get and show multitudes of users. this would probably be the gnu and the gpl in the name GNU Image Manipulation Program. it is available to you and you can use it but no promises or guarentees are made about it. this seems to be more typical of GNU than of the larger group called Open [whatever]. one thing i overheard at the meeting was that the developers did not want to make gimp so that they themselves could not use it. if you do not like how gimp works, i would be more than happy to provide many other softwares that might work the way you like it to. everyone at the meeting who is involved with gimp seemed to be very proud of what they have, so any suggestions that needy users make should start from this point of view. out of the corner of my eye, i could see the other art apps wondering what made gimp and its developers so dynamic in this world. i can tell you for certain it is love and familiarity and similar vision. i don't think that any of the humans have a history of being overly popular among other humans and none of us mind that either. we did decide that if it came to a critical point, gimp would be developed only with professionals in mind. as someone who has spent many hours and even years of my life advocating gimp as a graphics teaching instrument, this is discouraging to me. but like a change in my diet, i would be willing to stop seeing gimp as an educational software and change my imaginary audience to only professionals. suggesting it work differently means that it has not actually been effective at education and perhaps i see too much potential in human beings to be able to learn. in truth, there could be only the developers using this application and it would still be developed. it is about love and not popularity. it should be interesting to review yourself as a user and how you interface with this powerful application. humans are more intelligent than computers. please help us to prove this first before you ask for compromises that you think you need. there is actual work that can and should be done. are you helping this or detracting from it? help us not to start to limit gimp to only use by professionals. to all of the new faces and old friends at the meeting, it was nice to see you again or meet you for the first time! thanks everyone :) carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] possible mail handling software to consider
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 09:08:57PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > any thoughts about using this software to help manage the berkeley > > gimp mail lists? > > We don't need any nazi software that forces people on this list to > behave in certain ways. You and anyone else subscribed here is free to > ignore any posts that he/she dislikes. > i dunno, i was trying to start a discussion and i thought that i asked nicely. it is very difficult to watch everything being taken over and handled in a way that other applications think is better. sometimes it feels like an attack from groups of well-paid individuals from those different software apps, even -- although, lord knows, i have been wrong about this kind of thing before. what i saw was something more like a teacher who looks at your first few efforts to fullfill an assignment and gives the student a chance to try it again. returned mail is not as much like begging please please please, read the ettiquette! there is a chance you understand the term nazi so much better than me though carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] possible mail handling software to consider
hi,
i noticed that debian had a nifty software available today,
fullquottel - Tool for recognizing mails/postings in tofu/top-posting
style
"The program performs several tests to decide whether the mail is a tofu
mail or not. Each test produces a score. The final sum of the individual
test scores is compared to a threshold. If it is above it, the mail is
classified as tofu mail ('Fullquottel' is returned). Further more, the
score itself is returned as number and as a row where each score point
produces one *. Each test can be customized via a config file or on the
command line."
while i read that gtk insists (perhaps) on sticking to mozilla style
crappy and confusing text selection, i was thinking it might be nice to
start to manage the mail here the way the ettiquette instructions
suggest on the gimp web site.
any thoughts about using this software to help manage the berkeley gimp
mail lists?
carol
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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP at LinuxTag 2006?
On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:13:29AM +0100, Sebastian Laube wrote: > Am Wed, 8 Mar 2006 01:05:42 -0800 > Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbelte: > > > On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:32:45AM +0100, Roman Joost wrote: > > > I met Wolfgang Drotschmann from the LinuxTag e.V. at the Chemnitzer > > > LinuxTage last weekend. He kindly asked, if the developers or users of > > > the GIMP want to present the project at the upcoming LinuxTag in > > > Wiesbaden. The LinuxTag will help us of providing chairs, tables, beamer > > > etc. > > > > > > > question > > > > what is a beamer? > It's a box with a very light lamp inside. It will create a picture on a > wall (like a over head projector). > e.g. epson emp 600. > Maybe beamer is the "german" word for it, like handy for mobile phone... > thanks for everyones response to my question. in united states, most typically "beamer" is used as a nickname for a certain type of car and probably there is other slang terminology that this term is used for. overhead projector makes more sense in this sentence than all of the other options. thanks carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP at LinuxTag 2006?
On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:32:45AM +0100, Roman Joost wrote: > I met Wolfgang Drotschmann from the LinuxTag e.V. at the Chemnitzer > LinuxTage last weekend. He kindly asked, if the developers or users of > the GIMP want to present the project at the upcoming LinuxTag in > Wiesbaden. The LinuxTag will help us of providing chairs, tables, beamer > etc. > question what is a beamer? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Bring Back the Keyboard!
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 02:06:52PM -0700, Scott wrote: > > IMHO, any app which is asking for a filename as input should give both > a keyboard-oriented and a mouse-oriented means of providing it. How > much extra work is that to program? *Especially* when it has already > been done, and done well, in previous versions??! > well, welcome to the free world. i suspect that you have to buy this functionality from novell. please write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and get the price list from them for this functionality and post it here. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Plugin brush tool
On Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 11:21:49AM -0700, Rob Krajcarski wrote: > > I'm looking into writing a plugin for The Gimp where I could have strict > control over the color that would be painted based on the direction of > the stroke itself. From what I can see of the documentation only filter > type plugins are available. Is this correct? Any thoughts, on where I > can start looking for ideas on how I could implement this type of color > controller? > there is a lot of control already available. you can make animated brushes or you can paint with a gradient or just use colors from a specific palette. probably the best place to start would be at the gimps paint and brush documentation. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] directing STD OUT to a text widget in gtk..
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 02:40:00PM +0530, Hari wrote: > Hi all, > > I want to redirect the STDOUT to a text widget in gtk. Actually I am > invoking some APIs which spit some messages on console. I want to > retarget these messages to some text area.. > > any suggestions? > gimp.message() carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] old GIMP screenshots wanted
On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 07:27:04PM +0100, Axel Wernicke wrote: > > a week ago I translated a chapter of the GIMP manual that is dealing > with the GIMP history. Given the fact that this is about ten years of > open source and contribution involving lots of lots of people I was > curious if there aren't a couple of screenshots from the early stages > of GIMP (versions prior 1.2) available. So, if you have such an old > image or even have one of the ancient versions up and running > somewhere I'd be really happy if you would mail it to may. If > possible a note on which version the screenshot shows and from which > platform it was taken would even enhance the fun of it. > So, if there is anybody who want to help and possibly see his own > desktop see published in the manual send me an email. > > Since bin attachments are for good reason not wanted on this list > please send it to axel . wernicke AT gmx . de > we actually did this for federico a few weeks ago on the irc. http://www.xcf.berkeley.edu/~gimp/gimp.html http://www.xcf.berkeley.edu/~gimp/features_0.60.html http://www.nuclecu.unam.mx/~federico/gimp/ http://www.nuclecu.unam.mx/~federico/gimp/gradient-editor/shot.jpg http://www.rru.com/~meo/gimp/Tutorial/intro.html http://www.xcf.berkeley.edu/~gimp/tutorials.html http://www.beastwithin.org/users/olf/graphtips/gimptutorials/ http://www.disordered.org/GimpPlaque.html (no screenshots here) http://empyrean.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/~nem/gimp/tuts/ <--links to many old tutorials potentially with screenshots. i actually just did a better job for you than a bunch of us did for federico. heh. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Script shows up in the script-fu console, but not in the menu
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 03:53:27PM -0500, J. David Taylor wrote: > Enclosed is a script that's been giving me some trouble. It shows up > in the script-fu console, but not in the menus. It will, though, show > up if I refresh scripts after I start the gimp. I just don't see why > it doesn't show on startup. depending on which version of gimp you are using, the menus have changed. look towards the lower part of the Image menu. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Almost all images types gone after update from CVS
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 04:52:18PM -0600, Steven P. Ulrick wrote: > > compiling and installing Gimp: > http://www.afolkey2.net/gimp/01/gimpCVS-autogensh.txt > http://www.afolkey2.net/gimp/01/gimpCVS-configure.txt > when you build from cvs you use the autogen.sh script and not configure. autogen calls configure. i do not know what calling configure did again but that would be the first good place to start. when you are building from cvs, don't type "./configure" carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Patterns
On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 06:59:13AM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > On Thursday 29 December 2005 02:25, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > > Another solution would be providing a separate package of new > > high-quality textures. > > Are any of these useful, at least as a starting point? > > http://www.burningwell.org/gallery/textures > these are beautiful. the one other thing that would make them useful as patterns is if they can be made tileable. there is at least one plug-in that does this. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Patterns
On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 09:25:39PM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On 12/28/05, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris wrote: > > > So - developers, what do you think might be the best approach? To > > update the patterns that come with the program thenselves or make > > additional collections available? > > First of all, man http://create.freedesktop.org/wiki/index.php/About > and http://create.freedesktop.org/wiki/index.php/Shared_resources#Patterns > :-) > > GIMP can already render SVG patterns via librsvg. That woul be one solution. > > Another solution would be providing a separate package of new > high-quality textures. High-quality means macro with good (possibly > excellent) lighting. We have some experienced photographers here, > right? > > Feel free to start a new working page at create's wiki. > you know what? i love pixel art. the soft edges and the blotchy reality of real life. sure, i am glad that gimp can stroke paths nicely now. but what about the pixel? vector art will make such clean edges on everyones computer that the real world will become so disappointing. all for what? scalibilty and cleanliness? crap. fonts gone wild. does the create group want some space on the gimp planet, btw? i was sorry when i saw all of the self linking going on there. it is like a perfect circle made in points on the computer let me know :) carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Patterns
On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 04:12:15PM -0200, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris wrote: > I was looking at the patterns that come with the GIMP. > > They might have been nice for 320x240 web images that everyone edited > a few years ago. > > But in a world of 7 MP cameras, all patterns that come with the GIMP > are nearly useless. > > there are a few pending features for patterns on the program itself - > like categorization, possibly scaling, and so on. > while i think it is nice that gimp comes with such small resources, especially while getting to know gimp -- it would be really nice to have more for download. a discussion of the catagories might be good. > That aside, these patterns are in urgent need for an update. Even if > not on the patterns that come along with the GIMP itself, nice > pattern collections would be nice - perhaps some that could be > packaged in a "gimp-data-extras" module, or something like that. > we can have several options at the gimp web site already. i think that the contest upload thing can be used to get patterns or gradients or whatever. the information about where and how to save them would have to be given. > Even updates of the existing patterns so that they do no look a silly > square repetition when covering a surface more than 400px wide would > be a nice thing. > updating is a good idea, but my suggestion about keeping the patterns small for the default installation -- you understand that? we play "whose binary is smallest" every so often. it is a good game. i know this is not the gimp binary but it is part of the download. > So - developers, what do you think might be the best approach? To > update the patterns that come with the program thenselves or make > additional collections available? > i say come up with some catagories. it should be easy to make a web page that will search on resolution and catagory. > And everybody - let's start building some nice patterns - one way or > the other we have to collect then all an make then available for all > the GIMP users. other resources as well. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: color balance (preserve luminosity) bug
On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 11:05:46AM -0800, sean wrote: > example images of bug manifestation could you put these images online? we don't mail images on this list. thanks, carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] P.S.
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 08:12:01PM +, Chris Share wrote: > I forgot to mention I'm working on Windows. > i don't think that you get one then. gimptool only provides the information about where the files are on your computer. i think (and they reminded me of this on the irc today) that being able to use a Makefile would eliminate the need for gimptool. you always have the option to build gimp on your own -- nobody has limited you to binary installation of gimp only. only you do that. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs-version install(?) problem - please help
On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 09:39:11PM +0100, Helmut Jarausch wrote: > On 29 Nov, Carol Spears wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 06:24:30PM +0100, Helmut Jarausch wrote: > >> > >> Yes, thanks. So the next questions is about a "high level" changelog. > >> > > define "high level" and how it is used to describe a changelog? > > > > In levels > > -end user visible > -visible for a user who writes a script > -visible for a user whu writes a plugin (C-code) > one of the problems with that is that we do not know exactly how the menus will be in the 2.4 release. there is some usability project, however it seems that this project has too many UI experts from way to many schools for anyone to be able to determine what the menus will look like. i barely have enough time myself to write the tutorials, participate in the splash contest, try to keep the gimp planets from being hacked, remain friends with the gimp developers, use the toilet, answer personal email from people who are trying to use gimp for good projects, find some food, sleep and then actually do the things i would like to do with gimp there are a lot of people who want things. there are a lot of other people who are riding for free. what you have is a development version. there are many more promises about the stable version and things are at least more clearly outlined for the average user. i will make certain that there is some thing online for the stable version if and when it is released. making certain that all this stuff you need is covered might extend the date as it is reasonable to expect something like this for a stable release. thank you for trying out gimp and sharing your needs here, carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs-version install(?) problem - please help
On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 06:24:30PM +0100, Helmut Jarausch wrote: > > Yes, thanks. So the next questions is about a "high level" changelog. > define "high level" and how it is used to describe a changelog? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] cvs-version install(?) problem - please help
On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 04:51:48PM +0100, Helmut Jarausch wrote: > > I have a standard (see below) installation of Gimp 2.3.6 (cvs > 2005/11/28) . It works fine but I cannot access most of the > 102 Script-Fu procedures installed under > /usr/local/share/gimp/2.0/scripts except > color-wb-balance and asc2img. I do see those procedures > which I copied to ~/.gimp-2.3/scripts. > > The procedures are listed unter Xtns->Procedure Browse > e.g. as script-fu-fade-outline but not > under the Script-Fu popup menu or anywhere else. > there has been some reordering to the menus with the goal of making it invisible to the user if the plug-in is written in C or script-fu or perl-fu or python-fu or whatever else another change is that now you can register scripts into the menu or and more with the exception of and (at the moment). use the plug-in browser to see where they have gone. you might notice the new Colors path in the upper-level of the image menu one thing that i find confusing now is that some of the paths the plug-in browser shows are not reflected in the menus. for example /Xtns/Languages/Python-fu appears in the menu as /Xtns/Python-fu. i hope that solves your problem. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] GIMP 10th Birthday Splash Contest
Hi, we did it. a 10th Anniversary GIMP Splash Contest has officially begun on the day of the anniversary/birthday. the first thing to mention that the word Anniversary appears all over the contest pages and in the GIMP News. the word Birthday is equally appropriate and should be used if it fits your splash better. splashes will be required to have a tutorial accompany them. consider it a little gift for Wilber and Wilma. i personally consider this a great way to get new material for gimp that is not the same old stuff from the same old people. and if the same old people have some new stuff, they will need to submit a tutorial as well a minimum requirement for tutorials is a text file listing the steps and plug-ins you had gimp go through to make the image. telling the values you fed to the plug-ins will make a better tutorial. if you would like to include screen shots and your image in the pre-final stages of its making, feel free to include all of that. if you are handy with html, go ahead and write that as well. put all of the tutorial information, text and images, into an archive file, either zipped format or gzipped tarball and upload that with your splash submission. the contest begins about an hour ago and will end on November 27 (7 days later). the developers will review the submissions and pick the one they think best reflects gimp for its birthday. at the present, they are not complaining about the contest -- it is a good sign! when i was ten years old, the world seemed to be simple and very nice. it seems fitting to me to think that gimp is much like that now. ten is nice. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] the expanding gimp web
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 09:19:26AM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > Secondly, you forgot my blog: > > http://www.shlomifish.org/me/blogs/ > it was so forgotten by me that i wonder if i even knew of its existence. your web log has been added to the developers aggregation and also to the gimp user aggregation. first, added in a broken way, then that was fixed. your web log, no matter what it says will be displayed with the others there. perhaps you should review the following document: http://www.gimp.org/mail_lists.html the "other" developers (not limited to one operating system) all seem to agree to the items mentioned under the heading "List Ettiquette". this document was not written by me and these requests were estabished long before i got here. the fact that i agree with it has little to do with the existence of the ettiquette request nor the persistence of the ideas listed there. personally, i am glad to see that you would like to be included. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] the expanding gimp web
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 04:33:08PM +, michael chang wrote: > On 11/4/05, Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > i considered what sort of collections of blogs i would find useful. i > > also considered what could happen if only a small fraction of the gimp > > users added their blog to the feed. the developers would be lost. if > > there was only one feed, the news would get lost as well. > > > > i agree that some explanation would help, i got a little confused myself > > by the gimp object scheme this week while making them. after a short > > break in working with them, i will see what i can do about adding a > > little more information. > > Quite nice, the clean interface makes it easy on the eyes, and it > looks like it'll break down nicely if someone's using a console-based > browser (e.g. Lynx). > thank you. the very first thing they did when i showed my first gimp web site on the irc was to try it in lynx. this is a fact for anyone trying to design a gimp web site. > Since it's already set up like that, I don't know if you want to > change it, but maybe a unified header + description at the top, > followed by a selection for Layers | Pixels | Paths would be > interesting... http://blogs.gimp.org/layers, > http://blogs.gimp.org/pixels, and http://blogs.gimp.org/paths URIs > would make sense (although that's less creative, i suppose, than your > current offerings). If you did do something like that, > http://blogs.gimp.org would maybe also have the same main header as on > the above three sites, and then split the three aggregated feeds into > individual columns with mini-headers... maybe similar to the column > layout at http://www.google.com/ig (except not so interactive and > messy...)... each column would be headed b the individual "Layers", > "Pixels" and "Paths" blogs headings respectively. > one of my irc friends (i always forget that he is one of the people who actually does the work running the gnome computers -- that kind of friend, they are great to make and a rare human who is a friend more than a superhuman ruler of an actual internet domain) does not like the word blog. he said that he doesn't mind the idea of it but would prefer that people call them web journals or web logs. the planet software suggests the word planet. it is implied that the planets show developer web logs. i almost missed this implication and called the user aggregation a planet. there are a bunch of "planets" already. blogs.gimp.org -- what if the gimp computers started to have more than just me on the computer with a blog? two thoughts about putting the feeds all on one page. 1) is that useful? and 2) gimp is making new images for two of them everyday. they are random in content (somewhat) and also size. a unified look more than what there is now is not more important than how cool those random images are, in my opinion. i think a short text explaining whose web logs should be enough. carol > Hopefully the suggestion sounds clear... and maybe it's something > worth considering, but take it with a grain of salt. I won't be > offended if you don't like it. > > -- > ~Mike > - Just my two cents > - No man is an island, and no man is unable. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] the expanding gimp web
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 09:28:05PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: > Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > there are a few new gimp.org web sites lately. i have been playing with > > the software available from planet.org and the results have been almost > > instant. > > > > Very nice. I am not sure how useful it is to have different > aggregators for developers and users but we will see. What I am > missing is a note on the individual sites explaining what feeds they > are collecting and perhaps links to the other aggregators? > thank you for the compliment. i considered what sort of collections of blogs i would find useful. i also considered what could happen if only a small fraction of the gimp users added their blog to the feed. the developers would be lost. if there was only one feed, the news would get lost as well. i agree that some explanation would help, i got a little confused myself by the gimp object scheme this week while making them. after a short break in working with them, i will see what i can do about adding a little more information. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] tenth anniversery splash contest
hello, currently the plan is to have a splash contest for gimps tenth anniversary which, as federico and mitch pointed out should be on November 21 this year http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.development.apps/msg/b5a9a98ef1e9fd4d i am not certain of the beginning and end date. i am also uncertain of which release the winning splash will be featured in -- i am certain that there is room for more than one splash. there is the about dialog and perhaps as other so far unpublished easter eggs. this would be a pre-announcement. one thing we were talking about and almost everyone involved with the project so far seems to agree with is that at the risk of affecting the quantity of splash submissions, we are going to ask for a tutorial to accompany the submitted images. the submitted tutorials should be loaded at the time of the submission as a gzipped (.gz or tar.gz or .tgz) or zipped (.zip) file and does not have to be more than text or html (if you are able to do that) and perhaps some intermediate images and a final xcf. if it looks as a cheap way to get good content for gimp web sites, well i guess that looks about the right way then. feel free to share your thoughts about the contest and the new requirements with me directly or perhaps on the gimp-user mail list. and everyone, get out your gimp and start making those splash you have been thinking about! thanks, carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] the expanding gimp web
hello, there are a few new gimp.org web sites lately. i have been playing with the software available from planet.org and the results have been almost instant. http://paths.gimp.org is a collection of news from the world of free art software. i have subscribed to any news page i could find from the people who are going to be attending the convention next february (http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/LibreGraphicsMeeting) http://layers.gimp.org is a collection of gimp developers with blogs. this was a difficult list to come up with, i am open to the idea that i might have made an inclusion or omission mistake there. http://pixels.gimp.org is a collection of gimp users with blogs. it would be nice to get more blogs there. it would be even nicer if we could get more people blogging about gimp there. still in the planning stage is channels.gimp.org which should be a feed of gimp tutorials. i am talking with the people at http://www.gimptalk.com about this. as soon as we can settle on a good format for this, that will be online. my apologies to anyone i might have missed or included when i should not have. that being said, if you have a blog and consider yourself suitable for any of the mentioned gimp sites and some sort of feed that the planet software can understand, feel free to contact me or Wilma. in fact, more than just feeling free to contact, please do make the contact! [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] also, try not to fill up wilmas mailbox with spam as happened to wilber ;) and leave wilber alone, he is busy trying to manage spam. thanks, carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp compiled NOW I get a fatal: for a library
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 01:50:43PM -0400, Craig M. Houck wrote: > ./gimp-2.2 > > ld.so.1: ./gimp-2.2: fatal: relocation error: file ./gimp-2.2: symbol > gdk_threads_lock: referenced symbol not found > just a guess, but do you need to run ldconfig or some equivelent? just a guess because i really did not recognize anything in the spew you pasted in the original email. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] C++ wrapper?
On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 01:50:49PM +1000, David Hodson wrote: > An idle query: > Has anyone written a C++ wrapper for the Gimp API? > there is a C# plug-in somewhere. that is probably not a wrapper though. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] ScriptFu upgrading
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 03:15:52PM +0200, Helmut Jarausch wrote: > > I've noticed that some ScriptFu scripts run just fine under 2.2.x but > produce error messages under 2.3.5 (CVS) > Is there a summary of API changes, possibly with hints for upgrading? > i don't think that any of the .scm that comes with the gimp source are broken. i fixed problems with the scripts that come with gimp-perl (some of the problems). it should be easy stuff and stuff that makes sense, like extra parameters have been added to some of the blur plug-ins and transformation tools. i don't know if it is the case of all lispish things, but if you are good with handline .scm, you should also be handy with finding what changed on your own. i say that because one of the reasons i do not author .scm files for gimp is because of how poorly it reports back its problems. gimp-perl and pygimp both were fairly verbose in explaining what was broken and the reason for the brokeness. i would be interested to know which scripts are broken. if it is scripts that come with gimp, then they should be fixed. how do you find where the mistakes are when you write them? looking at the ChangeLogs for both gimp and gimp-tiny-fu would be where i would start to look. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP 2.3.4
yeah, i read something that seemed as if it was too expensive to use free software and a sane build environment. i have been wrong before. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP 2.3.4
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 09:04:42AM -0500, Lance Dockins wrote: > > I should also clarify that I have considered switching to Linux to make > this easier, but I just don't have the time, money, and hardware to do > so without destroying the Win32 environment I'm required to use in the > professional world. My guess is that's the case for many Windows users > who would like to be able to compile from tarball/CVS without such > hassles as we've described here. Grant that I don't speak for everyone > using Win32, but I'd imagine you'd see a positive reception from such an > endeavor from more than one Win32 user. > this is so interesting. Win32 has succeeded in making linux expensive. you are asking that the Win32 environment not work the way it was designed to work -- at least i think this is what you are saying. i am very impressed that it was able to make free software expensive, this is a simply amazing accomplishment! carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP 2.3.4
On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 07:56:12AM -0500, Lance Dockins wrote: > > What if someone considering the possibility of contributing to GIMP read > that post? They probably would think twice at that point for fear of > being publicly humiliated for asking a question. Don't get me wrong, I > greatly respect your contributions to GIMP and I'm sure it's frustrating > answering all of these types of questions. In fact, I know so. My > greatest strength is customer service, sales, and otherwise dealing with > people so I know how difficult it can be. Let me just put it this way. > The ONLY reason people are using or contributing to GIMP is because they > have problems. Specifically, they have a need for an image design > program that's both powerful and inexpensive and GIMP meets that need. > I'm having COMPILE problems WITH GIMP. There's really no difference. > People use software, ask questions, etc because they have problems. How > you handle those problems WILL determine the success of the project - > particularly if you have such an influential position with the project. > do not count on the user base being only as you defined it here. if you do not want sarcasm or even honest requests for good development style, please post these questions on either the gimp user list or the gimp on windows user list. the project historically does not want the type of help you described. only if you believe everything that you read is this not still the case. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp Website
On Sat, Sep 24, 2005 at 01:29:21PM -0400, Preacher Public wrote: > > So, what can I do? > First of all I'd like to suggest a small website makeover. Gimp is a > graphic tool and the website sould reflect it by having a bit more visual > punch to it. > here's the quick makeover I did - just a suggestion, based on the > "clearlooks" gnome theme color pallette: > http://www.geocities.com/preacher_mg/gimpweb.html > did you make that wilber with gimp? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon dates
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 08:31:47PM +0200, David Neary wrote: > > Carol wrote: > >perhaps Mr. Neary can publish a list of people he will "allow" to attend > >so that those people who are not allowed will not waste their time? > > Open to the public means open to the public. I'd love you to come, but > not as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > it is tattooed on my rear end now, so i invite you to divert your eyes from my netherquarters. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon dates
On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 09:42:56PM +0200, David Odin wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 12:07:25PM -0700, Carol Spears wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 04:00:58PM +0200, David Odin wrote: > > > > > > The dates for the next GimpCon are march 17h-18th-19th 2006. > > > > > > Please have a look at http://wiki.gimp.org/GimpCon and confirm if you > > > will come as soon as possible, > > > > > perhaps Mr. Neary can publish a list of people he will "allow" to attend > > so that those people who are not allowed will not waste their time? > > > I for one will be honored if you can come. > thank you. :) this is the first smile i have had this week which was not about the tidyness of gimp workspaces. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon dates
On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 04:00:58PM +0200, David Odin wrote: > > The dates for the next GimpCon are march 17h-18th-19th 2006. > > Please have a look at http://wiki.gimp.org/GimpCon and confirm if you > will come as soon as possible, > perhaps Mr. Neary can publish a list of people he will "allow" to attend so that those people who are not allowed will not waste their time? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] A Visit to GIMP
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:02:01PM +0200, Jakub Steiner wrote: > On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 23:50 +0300, Tor Lillqvist wrote: > > Carol Spears writes: > > > even photographs from the way back past would be interesting. > the galleries of gimp conventions are really cool. how about some photographs of your workspaces as well? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
