Re: [Gimp-user] Update blocked by trend micro

[Kasim Ahmic via gimp-user-list]

“X software is bad because of some alleged observations I made and will not 
share with anyone for some reason. There is no need to question me for I know 
everything.”

Ah yes, what a very reliable, provable, and definitely not inaccurate fact. 
You’ve convinced me, I will be uninstalling Trend Micro effective immediately. 
Oh wise one, will you please tell me what other software is bad?

If nothing else, you’re at least good for a laugh. Everything from the likely 
false claims of experience, to the galavanting around the mailing list as if 
you know everything there is to know. You’re pretty entertaining pal.

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> On Nov 16, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Ruben Safir  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 11:12:33AM +1300, Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list 
> wrote:
>> Do you have anything other than vague claims of guruship to back that up?
>> 
> 
> 
> You mean like the OPs original post 
> 
> ??
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Update blocked by trend micro

[Kasim Ahmic via gimp-user-list]

That’s a completely false and baseless claim. The only software on my personal 
PC is free software, a large portion of which is open source as well. Trend 
Micro has never once blocked any of them from being installed.

There’s a right way to make a point and then there’s what you’re doing which is 
throwing around baseless claims and flaming anyone and everyone that disagrees 
with your point of view. Please either just respond to the OP and help them 
with their issue or just stop responding.

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> On Nov 16, 2021, at 4:53 PM, Ruben Safir  wrote:
> 
> On 11/16/21 11:35, Kasim Ahmic wrote:
>> For what it’s worth, I also use Trend Micro and have been very happy with it 
>> over the years.
> 
> 
> ugg - here come the testimonials defending a garbage piece of software
> that is not secure and blocks free software from being installed...
> 
> the product really can't be defended.  It has a decades old history of
> abject failure
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Update blocked by trend micro

[Kasim Ahmic via gimp-user-list]

For what it’s worth, I also use Trend Micro and have been very happy with it 
over the years.

As was stated previously, Trend Micro, like every other internet security 
software, can report some false positives from time to time and that may be 
what’s happening here. I saw mention here that this was a company machine 
though I can’t seem to find it now. If that is in fact the case, it may be that 
the security config is set a bit tighter than it otherwise would be.

I would recommend a few things:

1. If this is a corporate machine, I recommend speaking with your Sys Admin 
team to see if it is okay to install the software first. Following that, ask 
them to review the file for any security vulnerabilities.

2. Trend Micro flagged the .part file which means that it was flagged before 
the file was fully downloaded and that might be causing some issues. As Liam 
suggested, re-downloading the file might solve this.

3. If Trend Micro flags it again, it seems that it quarantined the file which 
should mean that you can get the file back and run a security scan on it after 
it’s completely downloaded. If Trend Micro reports it as safe, you should be 
good to go.

P.S: I did also just download the exe myself and ran a security scan on it. 
Trend Micro reported that it was fine though this isn’t a conclusive test as I 
think the GIMP website shuffles the mirrors used. Could be wrong on that

Thanks,
Kasim Ahmić

> On Nov 16, 2021, at 9:44 AM, Ruben Safir  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 11:37:09PM +0100, Michael Schumacher via 
> gimp-user-list wrote:
>>> On 15.11.21 22:55, Ruben Safir wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 09:31:20PM +0100, Jernej Simončič wrote:
 On Monday, November 15, 2021, 13:31:01, Ruben Safir wrote:
 
> In the last 40 years in the GNU field I have heard a lot of bad advise
> but rarely as bad as this.  Ignore this advise by Rick Strong and
> ditch tend micro - ASAP.
 
 I kind of doubt that TrendMicro is the problem,
>>> 
>>> Set aside with the doubts because they ARE the problem
>> 
>> Ruben, I am pretty sure that the core issue in this thread is experience.
>> 
> 
> 
> No - but I have the experience and you do not.
> 
> The core issue is that trendmicro is not a reliable source of 
> security and is a bad actor.
> 
> Nothing fixes that.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Is GIMP a knockoff of Photoshop?

[Kasim Ahmic via gimp-user-list]

I guess technically by “definition” one could consider GIMP a knock off but 
that’s like saying an my and all image processing programs are knock offs of 
one another.

That said, GIMP isn’t being developed to take whatever features are in 
Photoshop and remake them into a free program. GIMP is developed entirely 
independently of Photoshop with very little regard given to what Adobe is 
adding to its product.

At the end of the day, does it really matter?

> On Mar 6, 2020, at 6:01 PM, TheComputerGuy via gimp-user-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm being told GIMP is a knockoff of Photoshop rather than an alternative 
> because "it fits the definition". Is this true or not?
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Re: [Gimp-user] Referencing GIMP

[Kasim Ahmic via gimp-user-list]

Hello Tawfik,

There is no real “company” developing GIMP but referencing it as The GIMP 
Development Team should suffice. As for the location, GIMP did originate in 
California, U.S.A.

More info here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIMP

Regards,
Kasim Ahmić


>> On Sep 22, 2019, at 6:21 AM, Tawfik Abou Assale via gimp-user-list 
>>  wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am writing a master thesis, and I might use GIMP for editing my figures and 
> images. I would like to properly reference GIMP in my table of software used. 
> I need to know the company name and country of origin to fill in properly.
> 
> Thank you for the help.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Tawfik Abou Assale
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Re: [Gimp-user] Multiple GPU Support?

[Kasim Ahmic via gimp-user-list]

Apologies if your question has already been answered. The mailing list has
been acting up for me lately.

To my knowledge, GIMP does not utilize multiple GPUs. When GIMP 2.8
launched, it had just enabled GPU acceleration via OpenCL and at the time,
I myself had two GPUs in my computer. I had taken a look at the resource
monitor while running various filters and I noticed that only one of them
was being used. This may have changed in recent versions but I have not
seen nor heard of multi GPU support having been added.

Although I'd love to be wrong about this :)

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 1:29 PM notker88 via gimp-user-list <
gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:

> Does GIMP utilize multiple GPUs or only one GPU at maximum? Thank you
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Re: [Gimp-user] Errors when installing Debug Symbols

[Kasim Ahmic]

Sounds good, thank you!

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> On May 22, 2018, at 4:15 PM, Jernej Simončič <jernej|s...@eternallybored.org> 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 22 May 2018 11:32:47 -0400, Kasim Ahmic wrote:
>> 
>> Uninstalling and reinstalling without selecting to install the debug
>> symbols fixes the issue. Just thought I'd mention it to potentially help
>> anyone having the same issue.
> 
> This is a known issue with the 2.10.2 installer - you can manually
> workaround it by moving all the .debug files to .debug subfolder (or you
> can download https://eternallybored.org/misc/gimp/gimp-2.10.2-setup-1.exe
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[Gimp-user] Errors when installing Debug Symbols

[Kasim Ahmic]

I just installing GIMP 2.10.2 and selected to install the "Debug Symbols"
as well hoping it would help diagnose any future crashes but when I went to
launch GIMP, I just got an error window saying "The application was unable
to start correctly (0xc005). Click OK to close the application." I
click OK, and another one comes up.

Looking at the title of the error windows, it seems to be trying to load
the various plugin files but with a ".debug" extension. So for example,
"blur.exe.debug," or "colorify.exe.debug." I can hold the enter key to
select OK for all of them and GIMP will launch but I have to do that every
time GIMP loads. I'm not sure if I'm missing some sort of files or if this
is just a bug in the Windows version.

Uninstalling and reinstalling without selecting to install the debug
symbols fixes the issue. Just thought I'd mention it to potentially help
anyone having the same issue.

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Thank you for your time,

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Re: [Gimp-user] Batch Image Manipulation, it's time to implement it in GIMP

[Kasim Ahmic]

BIMP is a plug-in developed by Alessandro Francesconi who is not a direct part 
of the GIMP team to my knowledge. There is already a ticket posted on BIMP’s 
official Github repository about the incompatibility 
(https://github.com/alessandrofrancesconi/gimp-plugin-bimp/issues/171) and 
Alessandro is currently working on getting it updated 
(https://github.com/alessandrofrancesconi/gimp-plugin-bimp/issues/165#issuecomment-386209784).

As for if BIMP should be included in GIMP, it sort of already is. GIMP has 
built in batch editing through the command line, see here 
(https://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Basic_Batch/).

- Kasim Ahmić

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> On May 2, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Davide Perini  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> BIMP does not work with Gimp 2.10 and it is not possible to do a batch resize 
> of images.
> 
> This is pretty unacceptable in 2018 from a program of such a great quality.
> 
> Is there someone working on this feature?
> Isn't it time to include this feature in the official gimp without the needs 
> of extensions or plugins?
> 
> Thanks,
> Davide
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Re: [Gimp-user] Help with jagged edges

[Kasim Ahmic]

What I typically do is, using the Ellipse Selection Tool, I make a selection of 
whatever size I need the circle to be and fill it with a color. From there, I 
make a smaller selection within the first circle and clear it (Delete key or 
Edit > Clear). Also, make sure that anti aliasing is checked while doing this.

Btw, what method are you using to make the circle? Are you making a path and 
then stroking? If so, make sure you're using the paint brush tool and not the 
pencil. That may help as well.

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> On Sep 12, 2016, at 3:39 PM, chrisj  wrote:
> 
> I have tried to add this simple 'play button" to a simple rectangle, but the 
> ply
> button circle is not smooth-edged, can you help me smooth it, or suggest a
> solution, or provide me with another image, that I can use?  See attached...
> 
> Attachments:
> * http://www.gimpusers.com/system/attachments/274/original/PlayButton3-1.png
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Re: [Gimp-user] Idea/Request: Fast start mode for GIMP

[Kasim Ahmic]

What version of GIMP are you using? I know from experience that a certain older 
version of GIMP did that every time it loaded however it was patched in later 
versions. If you have an older version, try the latest (2.8.16) and see if that 
fixes it.

- Kasim Ahmić

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> On Dec 17, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Steve Kinney  wrote:
> 
> Hai guise,
> 
> I have spent many, many hours watching the GIMP re-scan all its
> plugins, scripts, brushes etc. every time it is started.  At least a
> week, since I have been using the GIMP for a long time, with a lot
> of optional components installed.  I think it would be a Good Thing
> if there was a way for users to tell the GIMP to load up a LOT faster.
> 
> I understand the usefulness of having the GIMP rebuild its library
> of components every time it is started:  Add or remove a script,
> plugin or etc. and viola, the change takes effect when the GIMP is
> started, without further user intervention.  That's the only
> sensible default behavior.
> 
> But I think it might also be very useful if there was a
> configuration option that would prompt the GIMP to save all this
> configuration data to a file the first time the program is started
> with the "fast open" option enabled, and load the configuration from
> that file on startup from then on.  I imagine that would be a lot
> faster than building a new configuration from scratch at start time,
> every time.
> 
> That's just my imagination, of course.  I would like to know what
> people who /really/ understand the GIMP start up process think about
> this.  If saving and reloading configuration data would enable the
> GIMP to start "a lot" faster, an option for that would be popular
> with "a lot" of users.
> 
> When the user adds or removes components while a fast start mode is
> enabled, the GIMP could be prompted to rescan its directories via a
> configuration menu option.  Alternately, the splash screen could
> have a dialog for that, i.e. buttons for "Start Now" and "Rescan
> Plugins."
> 
> So, what do y'all think?  Would this actually work, and if so, would
> you want it?
> 
> :o)
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Multi-Core Rendering

[Kasim Ahmic]

So after playing around with it, it's safe to say using GEGL_THREADS=4 doesn't 
help when it comes to exporting. It does seem to have an effect on scaling 
images however, but all that happens is 100% of my processor is used and then 
GIMP 2.9 crashes. It should also be noted that scaling down large images in 
GIMP 2.9 (whether GEGL_THREADS is used or not) just causes it to crash.

Oh well, hopefully more stable multi core usage is being worked on and isn't 
too far off. It would certainly help productivity!

Kasim Ahmić

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> On Nov 20, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine 
> <alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 20 нояб. 2015 г. 19:05 пользователь "Kasim Ahmic" <kasim.ah...@gmail.com>
> написал:
>> 
>> Alright, I'll test it out and see how the performance differs during
> exporting. Thanks! Also, how would I get in contact with Øyvind?
> 
> I don't know if he reads this list, but he does read gimp/gegl-developer
> lists.
> 
> Alex
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Re: [Gimp-user] Multi-Core Rendering

[Kasim Ahmic]

Alright, I'll test it out and see how the performance differs during exporting. 
Thanks! Also, how would I get in contact with Øyvind?

Kasim Ahmić

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> On Nov 20, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine 
> <alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 3:15 AM, Kasim Ahmic wrote:
>> 
>> My questions now are, is there any way to enable multi core rendering in
>> GIMP? Is it even possible or does the current exporting code not support
>> multi core rendering in any way? If there is no way to do this, are there
>> plans to make it possible in future version of GIMP?
> 
> There is _some_ experimental support in GEGL for multithreading. If
> you want to test it, please use GEGL_THREADS= in
> the environment along with dev version of GIMP.
> 
> E.g.
> 
> $ GEGL_THREADS=4 gimp-2.9
> 
> I'm not 100% sure which part of GIMP features are covered by
> multithreading via GEGL, Øyvind Kolås is your guy here.
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] reduce resolution while retaining image size on computer

[Kasim Ahmic]

Don't worry about the resolution of the image. Just worry about the dimensions. 
Scale it down to whatever you'd like and then scale it back up to the original 
dimensions. Like so:

1. An image is 500px x 500px
2. Scale it down to 250px x 250px
3. Scale it back up to 500px 500px

 That right there will half the quality, making each pixel of the scaled down 
250px x 250px image take up four pixels instead.

I hope this is what you needed!

- Kasim

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 On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:21 PM, chrislz for...@gimpusers.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 This topic has been asked and answered several times before, but it doesn't 
 work
 for me. I want to reduce resolution but keep the same image dimensions on the
 screen - this has nothing to do with wanting to print.
 
 So I followed the answer given here
 http://www.gimpusers.com/forums/gimp-user/15189-resolution
 
 I
 
 1) check the cubic or sinc option in quality box
 2) changed the resolution, in this case from 600 to 300.
 3) re-enter original width in width box
 4) click scale image
 
 When I do this, the image DOES NOT stay the same. It shrinks to 50% of 
 original
 size.   What mistake am I making?
 
 Thank you
 
 Chris
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] reduce resolution while retaining image size on computer

[Kasim Ahmic]

Eh, if he's just trying to drop the quality by keeping the same size, it's best 
to just scale the image down and back up again with no interpolation. Like you 
said, using CSS would look awful cause all browsers will scale the image up 
with interpolation unless he wants to use an HTML canvas and use tricks there 
but that's not even worth the hassle.

- Kasim

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 On Aug 9, 2015, at 12:14 AM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote:
 
 On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 20:21:18 +0200 chrislz for...@gimpusers.com wrote:
 
 1) check the cubic or sinc option in quality box
 2) changed the resolution, in this case from 600 to 300.
 3) re-enter original width in width box
 4) click scale image
 
 When I do this, the image DOES NOT stay the same. It shrinks to 50% of 
 original
 size.   What mistake am I making?
 
 How are you viewing the image? If it's for use on the Web you'll need to use 
 CSS width and height, or width and height attributes on an img element, to 
 make the Web browser stretch the image to the size you want. The results of 
 doing this are often pretty awful, by the way.
 
 Liam
 
 
 Thank you
 
 Chris
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Watermarking in batches

[Kasim Ahmic]

Another good option is a GIMP plugin called BIMP (Batch Image Manipulation 
Program). It has a built in watermark feature which should suffice for whatever 
you're using it for.

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 On Jul 14, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Ed dstud...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Thank you Kevin
 
 -Original Message-
 From: gimp-user-list [mailto:gimp-user-list-boun...@gnome.org] On Behalf Of
 Kevin Cozens
 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 5:48 PM
 To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Watermarking in batches
 
 On 15-07-14 02:26 PM, Ed wrote:
 Can anyone tell me the best GIMP way to apply a watermark to a batch 
 of pictures?  I have tried to use the migee.scm with the example 
 script provided in the notes.  After many attempts,  all I get is 
 another command screen with only an option to close.
 
 I would point you to the program called composite which is part of
 ImageMagic instead of using GIMP. I'm a Linux user so I can't say for
 certain if that is an option for you.
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Kasim Ahmic]

Oh. My. Fucking. God.

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 On Oct 9, 2014, at 8:25 PM, chefebe for...@gimpusers.com wrote:
 
 In violation of good forum behavior I am commenting on this eternal, and very
 old thread because that is all I have the bandwidth to do.  I also hate the
 export feature.  I even keep an old Linux system around that has 2.6 on it so 
 I
 can quickly do simple edits because of this annoyance.  I finally decided to
 google gimp hate 'You can use this dialog'   and behold, a plethora of 
 painful
 and ignored requests were returned.  I would love the option to choose which 
 way
 to have it behave.  Does that not satisfy both camps?
 
 Now that my complaint is voiced, I must add:  I love gimp.  I am indebted to 
 the
 creators and maintainers.  It is free and I have done nothing to contribute to
 it.  I am also not a professional photo editor, just a casual user.  My uses
 usually involve modifying screenshots for presentations at my technology 
 company
 or swapping the heads around on family photos for a laugh.  May gimp live 
 long! 
 (even without a majority of us upgrading past 2.6)
 
 
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] How to drag layers from one image to another in Gimp 2.8?

[Kasim Ahmic]

As far as I know, this isn't possible. However, if you select the tab you want 
to drag over, you can click Edit  Copy (or Ctrl+C), open the other image, 
and click Edit  Paste (or Ctrl + V). That should get the results you're 
looking for.

As for your suggestions, the second one would actually be really nice. The tabs 
are a little too tall for my taste :P

Kasim Ahmic
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On Dec 7, 2013, at 2:59 AM, j...@cjsa.com (Jeffery Small) wrote:

 I'm using Gimp 2.8.2 on Linux.  I've configured the UI to single-window
 mode and have opened multiple images, each with a tabbed display.
 
 It is my understanding that I should be able to grab a layer from one
 image and drag-and-drop it onto the tab of another image in order to
 append a copy of that layer in the new image.  I have not been able to do
 this.  I'm grabbing a layer from the layers dialog and dragging it to the
 tab-thumbnail, but the layer is not copied to the new image.
 
 Can anyone explain the proper procedure?  Thanks.
 
 
 A couple of comments for the UI designers:
 
  * I find the [X] icons on the image tabs to be a real problem getting
accidentally selected and dismissing the image when attempting to
quickly select another tab.  I would prefer another tab dismissal
method such as right-click-menu close.
 
  * Some user control over the tabs would be good.  For example, I would
like to see the the vertical height of of the tabs be smaller and have
the option of displaying file names and/or icons.
 
 Regards,
 -- 
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Querying new Plug-ins on every launch

[Kasim Ahmic]

It appears to only be Python plugins.


On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.de wrote:

 On 16.11.2013 07:37, scl wrote:

  Does the buggy behaviour you described happen for *all*
  user installed plug-ins (not only Python scripts, but also
  Scheme scripts (*.scm) or i.e. the Ufraw or Beautify plug-ins)?

 Please, to avoid confusion, be careful with the wording. In the context
 of GIMP:

 - Scheme files are scripts
 - Python files are plug-ins
 - Never call Python files scripts


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[Gimp-user] GIMP Querying new Plug-ins on every launch

[Kasim Ahmic]

As far as I know, before GIMP 2.8.6, it didn't querying new plugins on every 
launch. It only did so when there were new plugins installed. When 2.8.6 came 
about, GIMP would query all plugins on every launch. With 2.8.8 it seems to 
only do this with user installed plugins. I assume this a bug but I'm not 
entirely sure as I didn't really pay attention to the startup screen prior to 
2.8.6.

Is this happening to anyone else, or is it just me?

OS: Windows XP Pro SP3
GIMP: 2.8.8

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Re: [Gimp-user] Error.

[Kasim Ahmic]

Considering you said GIMP's been working up until today, I assume you upgraded 
to 2.8.8, right? If so, it could just be a bug that made its way into the 
stable release. You could just go back to 2.8.6 until the issue is resolved.

Other than that, I'm not really sure what could be going wrong. Maybe reinstall 
the Microsoft Visual C++ Redistributable Package?

Best of luck!

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On Nov 3, 2013, at 9:38 PM, jessessessica for...@gimpusers.com wrote:

 All right, so. I've had GIMP ever since the latest version came out,
 and it hasn't been up to this very day that it's given me an error
 when loading, ad it's never happened before. Ever. It's some crud
 that tells me Runtime/C++ Error and that it needs to terminate.
 So... what the heck do I do? Am I not going to be able to use GIMP
 anymore? .__.
 
 I'm having the same issue and I've tried cleaning my pc, deleting a LOT of my
 art, re-installing the program, pretty much any answer I've seen. I have
 Windows 7...I just want my gimp back :(
 
 Attachments:
 * http://www.gimpusers.com/system/attachments/77/original/Gimp_Not_Working.bmp
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Kasim Ahmic]

I understand exactly how you feel. I hated the export feature too for like a 
month or so until it just became second nature for me to use it. It shouldn't 
take you that long to get used to it. However, if it bothers you that much, 
there's a plugin you can install that'll add a new option Save/Export Clean 
to the File menu. 
https://github.com/akkana/gimp-plugins/blob/master/save-export-clean.py

There are a few drawbacks to using it though, which are addressed on the page.

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On Aug 3, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Sam_ for...@gimpusers.com wrote:

 Hello, I wanted to give my opinion about that subject ; here's my story…
 
 I am a long time user of Gimp, I used to have previous versions than the 
 current
 2.8 on my previous old computer (who was running on Windows XP!). I took many
 fonts, brushes, special effects, all I can find interesting over the Internet 
 to
 have a full and useful Gimp.
 
 I recently bought a new computer (damn, it's so so fast now! *_* ), so I
 downloaded the last versions of my usual softwares. So as Gimp, with that 2.8
 version.
 
 And… errr… this topic is exactly what I think : I really don't like that
 export feature, which is totally useless to my eyes.
 
 As I am a bit of a webmaster, I use many browsers to see how my websites look
 like in each of them. And when Google Chrome, some years ago, came up, and 
 begin
 to get more and more people using it, I knew what was its mean strenght: the 
 URL
 bar is the same as the Search bar. It means : 2 differents things can be 
 treated
 by only 1 place ; the software is enough clever to know what the user want 
 to
 do.
 
 And so was a good point with the Save function of Gimp : 1 button, and we 
 were
 able to save our files as everything we wanted. Xcf, jpeg, png, gif, etc., and
 that was awesome. 1 button to do everything.
 
 That's why I think this Export function is really pointless, and I'll 
 probably
 downgrade to the previous version of Gimp, because it's apparently the only 
 way
 to get back what is, to my eyes, a great improvement : 1 button for 
 everything.
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Kasim Ahmic]

I sure would like this :D

(stupid iPod)

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On Jul 31, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Tom Williams tomd...@comcast.net wrote:

 On 07/31/2013 11:33 AM, David Joyner wrote:
 Or maybe a new email list could be opened up
 specifically for people confused by the export vs save issue?
 
 
 
 I second this.  :)
 
 Peace...
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Kasim Ahmic]

Sure would 

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On Jul 31, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Tom Williams tomd...@comcast.net wrote:

 On 07/31/2013 11:33 AM, David Joyner wrote:
 Or maybe a new email list could be opened up
 specifically for people confused by the export vs save issue?
 
 
 
 I second this.  :)
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] SOLVED: export vs. save menu in gimp2.8 - simple and lasting solution

[Kasim Ahmic]

So what exactly does this do? Does it lock GIMP 2.6 onto your machine and not 
allow you to upgrade to 2.8, or what?

Sorry, I'm mainly a Windows user :P

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On Jul 27, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Dirk noi...@pwnoogle.com wrote:

 Hello,
 
 it has now been months that Gimp developers seem to have decided that their 
 product vision in Gimp2.8 (debian/unstable) is more relevant than the 
 workflow of their users.
 
 People who use Gimp *a lot* keep clicking Save as instead of Export 
 because that is what they're used to. Because it is natural.
 
 If you think that it is trivial to make that workflow mistake over and over - 
 then you are a casual Gimp user and can stop reading.
 
 If you use Google and search for export save gimp you can witness what 
 happens when marketing takes over the development.
 
 There seems to be this product-vision-apologetics that they can ignore their 
 users because they are not getting paid by them anyway. Old user will just be 
 replaced by new users. Nobody will notice that transition except in the 
 feedback, which isn't monetary but just a few angry posts in the internet.
 
 Since Debian (like all other distributions) will have to (or has to) update 
 to Gimp2.8 in the stable branch I dedicated a chroot jail to Gimp2.6 and will 
 explain here how you can do it yourself.
 
 Creating a chroot jail for a single application is very easy.
 
 
 # the directory in which the chroot jail will exist
 mkdir chroot_gimp2.6
 # run debootstrap it will install a minimal debian and gimp2.6
 #   this will take a while
 debootstrap --variant=minbase --include=gimp squeeze chroot_gimp2.6 
 ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian
 # run gimp from inside the chroot jail
 chroot chroot_gimp2.6 gimp
 
 
 Enjoy Gimp2.6 and the workflow you are used to.
 
 No further updates/changes of your Distribution will take Gimp2.6 workflow 
 away from you.
 
 This will be reposted for your convenience when debian/stable switches to 
 Gimp2.8.
 
 
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Kasim Ahmic]

That's just it, you don't.

Anyway, is there like a way to block these sort of messages? The export vs 
save ones I mean.

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On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Andrew  Bridget andrew_brid...@btinternet.com 
wrote:

 On 19/07/2013 21:11, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
 
 You save in .png, of course, which keeps layers intact.
 But of course! ;-)
 
 How do you open a .png and show the working layers ?
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Kasim Ahmic]

I could ask you the same thing. Yes, if you SAVE the image, you'll have all the 
layers intact. However, if you EXPORT the image, all the layers are merged.

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On Jul 19, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr jnagyjr1...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 07/19/13 16:48, Kasim Ahmic wrote:
 That's just it, you don't.
 snip
 
 What are you talking about? Even with the new behavior, if the png is saved 
 with layers intact, you just open/import it and look at the layers and paths 
 tool to see what layers exist.
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Kasim Ahmic]

By saying despite the developers attempts otherwise, are you implying that 
the devs are actually trying to make GIMP worse? I know that this may sound 
beyond insane to a person such as yourself, but I don't think that's the case 
here.

And if you're so dissatisfied with the best tool for working with images, 
take Patricks advice, Use something else and go away!

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On Jul 19, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr jnagyjr1...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 07/19/13 17:17, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:12 AM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
 On 07/19/13 17:10, Kasim Ahmic wrote:
 
 I could ask you the same thing. Yes, if you SAVE the image, you'll
 have all the layers intact. However, if you EXPORT the image, all the
 layers are merged.
 
 snip
 
 That is a new and unexpected behavior.
 
 Have you actually seen GIMP 2.8 up close? :) It's how it's been
 working since early 2.7.x days, for the past 3+ years.
 
 What else have you folks changed?
 
 You mean, what else we have improved? :)
 
 http://www.gimp.org/release-notes/gimp-2.8.html
 
 No, this is not an improvement. More developer snobbery, thinking they know 
 more than the average user. Disgusting. Unfortunately GIMP is still the best 
 tool for working with images, despite the developers attempts otherwise.
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Save vs export separate discussion forum needed

[Kasim Ahmic]

What you're saying does make sense but is it really necessary? I mean is it 
really THAT difficult to get accustomed to the new way of working? It's not 
even that big of a change, IMO. Just a different option to click really.

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On Jul 19, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Jay Smith j...@jaysmith.com wrote:

 Though I don't like the new and improved methods, they are what they are 
 and they are not going to be changed back to the old way.  It is really 
 tiring and frustrating to have to listen to all the same stuff over and over 
 -- even though (and because) I agree with some of what is said and I prefer 
 the old way myself.
 
 Maybe there could be a separate discussion forum just for that subject.
 
 I feel you pain about the new way, and the old way would work better for 
 me.  However, we need to move on.
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Kasim Ahmic]

Considering that they put a lot of time and effort into GIMP 2.8 and that this 
issue has been being brought up for over a year now, I don't think they 
quickly rejected the idea of a toggle. 

There are only two things you can do at this point;
1. Stop using GIMP
2. Get used to the new workflow

Honestly, is it really THAT difficult?


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On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:20 PM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr jnagyjr1...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 On 07/19/13 20:19, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
 
 In my experience any attempt to teach users good practices will be met
 by a few snobbery accusations. Today it's you who issues them.
 Tomorrow it will be someone else.
 
 It's not your job to teach us anything.
 
 Oh it is :) No matter how much you personally resist. You might as
 well tell us to stop producing the user manual -- after all, if we are
 not allowed to teach you, then let's be consistent about that, eh? :)
 
 Let me rephrase that: It's not your job to teach us about our workflow. 
 Everyone works differently. The old way of save/save as worked just fine. 
 There was NOTHING wrong with it.
 
 
 I understand that concept very well, what happened here though - while maybe
 an improvement for the professional - is a huge change in the workflow of
 many, many other users, all of which whom are being ignored or told to shut
 up and go away.
 
 Nobody is being ignored on this list. And before you argue, I suggest
 you check the definition of ignore in a dictionary again.
 
 But here's an idea. If using GIMP makes you sulking and soar all the
 time (and this is not the first time you are complaining about a
 specific change), perhaps it's time for you to think why you want to
 invest your time into this unhealthy relationship?
 
 No, it's not.
 
 It is --- what? Your statement doesn't make sense grammatically. What
 does it refer to?
 
 Yes it does make sense grammatically, I'm responding to your claim that this 
 isn't the first complaint I've had about The GIMP (though I couldn't tell you 
 what that was, I also do not really care).
 
 
 that permanently through some options. This new export/save workflow isn't
 really all that helpful (though it's not terrible, it's completely foreign
 to many long-time users, as people keep posting about it are saying).
 
 Many? Do you have solid statistics confirming that? Howe many people
 does ot take to be considered many, exactly?
 
 If there are e.g.15 unhappy people on the list, is that considered
 many against tens or hundreds of thousands of users around the
 world?
 
 I'd say from the number of people who keep contributing to these sorts of 
 threads asking for the old way of doing things, it's more than 15 unhappy 
 people. As for those others, I'm sure if they felt it would change anything, 
 more of them would complain.
 
 I've already invested many years into using The GIMP, my question to you is
 why should I learn something else?
 
 Because you are obviously unhappy.
 
 I'm unhappy about one or two features. I'm unhappy about a lot of things. I 
 don't like the ports system in FreeBSD, I'm unhappy I cannot build OpenOffice 
 or LibreOffice with clang. In all those cases, though, nothing else meets my 
 needs. Windows isn't secure or stable enough. MSO sucks in comparison to 
 LibreOffice (the only thing I use MSO for is Avery templates as they have 
 never worked 100% properly in OO or LO). The same with The GIMP. Shotwell 
 doesn't meet my needs (and may as well be a dead project for as slowly as 
 it's updated). Inkskape is something completely foreign. Photoshop is 
 complex, expensive, and unweildly. digikam I can't get to compile/install no 
 matter what I do. I am also unahppy at how unfree FOSS is, fettered with crap 
 licenses like the GPL. Maybe I'm a masochist at heart, or perhaps I just 
 don't like change all that much (I am certainly not in the minority in 
 regards to the subject of this thread).
 
 Why is that so hard to understand?
 
 The request for a preferences checkbox _is_ understood. And
 respectfully rejected.
 snip
 
 If it was really understood, I don't think you all (the dev's) would be so 
 quick to reject it (respectfully or otherwise). I really do not see how this 
 new way is so much better EXCEPT when working with new images created /in/ 
 The GIMP (which I do from time to time).
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Kasim Ahmic]

You know, we probably could've saved so much hate and fighting had that link 
been shared earlier lol

Oh well. This debate was somewhat funny to read :P

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On Jul 20, 2013, at 12:12 AM, Bob Long b...@oblong.com.au wrote:

 Kasim Ahmic wrote,
 
 Considering that they put a lot of time and effort into GIMP 2.8 and that 
 this issue has been being brought up for over a year now, I don't think they 
 quickly rejected the idea of a toggle. 
 
 There are only two things you can do at this point;
 1. Stop using GIMP
 2. Get used to the new workflow
 
 Or,
 
 3. use this plugin which implements the old way within GIMP:
   http://www.shallowsky.com/software/gimp-save/
 
 (I've never used it.)
 
 I'm a basic user, most of the time. My most common use is to open a BMP,
 increase width, crop, resize, and overwrite the exiting image. A prompt
 when closing that I have not saved is no big deal.
 
 My thanks to the developers.
 
 -- 
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Re: [Gimp-user] resynthesizer download and installation

[Kasim Ahmic]

That's from 2009. I'm not entirely sure it'll work with Resynthesizer 1.0.

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On Jul 2, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Bob Long b...@oblong.com.au wrote:

 Kasim Ahmic wrote,
 
 You want Resynthesizer 1.0: http://registry.gimp.org/node/27986
 
 And look at http://registry.gimp.org/node/15118
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

[Kasim Ahmic]

Like Tom, the change from Save to Export was a bit of a surprise to me as well. 
Over time, I got used to it. Once you think about it, it actually makes more 
sense to use this method than it does the previous method.

Just my two cents :)


p.s. People should really stop arguing about this. It has been discussed many 
times before, and has always yielded the same outcome; the change will remain 
and you'll just have to get used to it. 

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On Jun 14, 2013, at 6:38 PM, Tom Williams tomd...@comcast.net wrote:

 On 06/14/2013 02:47 PM, Eduard Braun wrote:
 Actually I know nobody who likes the new distinction between save and
 export.
 
 But the whole discussion seems to be at a point of no return anyway
 and developers seem to defend the change as a matter of principle
 rather than aiming for maximum usability, so it seems quite improbable
 anything will change.
 
 Hey Eduard, I'm Tom and it's a pleasure to meet you!  :)
 
 I've been a long time GIMP user and the new save/export behavior was a
 surprise to me as well, but I actually like the new behavior since I
 tend to save in XCF format more frequently, which prevents me from
 making accidental mistakes.  In the past, I would open an image file,
 forget to save it as a XCF file first, make some changes to it, save the
 file (either clobbering the original or saving it as a new file), and
 then later regret NOT saving to XCF format because I would want to make
 further modifications later or to find out which font I had used, if I
 added text, etc.
 
 The new behavior forces me to be more conscious about my saving action,
 which I think is a good thing.  I also agree with adding a setting to
 control the save behavior, so users can choose which method suits them best.
 
 With regard to all the discussion about Linux in all this, we can't
 forget the numbers of people who use GIMP on Windows and the Freedom of
 Linux doesn't relate to that platform. 
 
 As for Audacity, I'm running Audacity 2.0.3 on Ubuntu 13.04 Linux
 (64-bit) right now. I have a MP3 audio file loaded and when I click the
 File menu, the save options are Save Project, Save Project As, and
 Save Compressed Copy of Project.  Then, I have two Export options,
 Export and Export Multiple.  I made a change to the audio track and
 tried to close Audacity and it prompted me to save the project (.AUP)
 file and stated if I wanted to save in another audio format, I must use
 the File  Export function.  Maybe Audacity on Windows behaves
 differently.
 
 Peace...
 
 Tom
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Batch processing?

[Kasim Ahmic]

There's a great plugin called BIMP (Batch Image Manipulation Program) that'll 
let you do that. Once installed, you simply select all the images you want to 
modify, and click the option to export them with a different extension. I'm not 
near my computer at the moment so I can't tell you the exact procedure but it 
should be pretty self explanatory.

Hope I helped!

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 When using command line gimp, is it possible to use *.jpg as the file name to 
 have it process ALL the JPEG files in a folder? I'm really actually 
 interested in a simple file format conversion with no image processing 
 applied, specifically svg2png conversion. I know Gimp can render svg and can 
 save png, and unlike the next best program ImageMagick, the Gimp actually 
 DOES NOT GLITCH the resulting image! So I've got a folder FULL OF SVG FILES, 
 and would like to be able to just type gimp convert -i *.svg -outputformat 
 png and have have it AUTOMATICALLY convert all my svg files to png files. Is 
 it possible to do this with such a simple and short command line? I know the 
 above exact example command line doesn't work, cause I tried it. But is there 
 some simillarly simple command line code I could use with gimp to convert svg 
 to png via rendering the svg and then saving the image as a png?
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Site Redesign

[Kasim Ahmic]

I haven't actually modified any code yet. I've really only looked at the 
examples and though about what it would look like when I do.

The body is basically just changing the images that are used, the text, and the 
background. The footer is really just adding the links. The header on the other 
hand, may be a but trickier but it should be doable.

I'll upload the files, change some of the code, and send you guys the link to 
it later today so you can take a look at it and help a little bit if need be.

Sent from my iPod

On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Elle Stone l.elle.st...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hmm, looks like twitter bootstrap is a grid framework with fixed and
 fluid options. I've worked with fluid grid frameworks before (not
 twitter bootstrap). If you like, send me your modified css/html (or
 post a link for download) and I'll take a look at it to see if I can
 figure out why it isn't fluid all the time. It's probably something
 very simple but the relevant code might be buried in a non-obvious
 location.
 
 On 4/18/13, Kasim Ahmic kasim.ah...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for the tips! I'll make sure to keep all that in mind when getting
 back to the overall look of the site. Right now, I'm focusing on using
 Twitter Bootstrap to recreate the site with a more fluid layout. I found
 that the Carousel Example (
 http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/examples/carousel.html) slightly
 resembles the current design. I can easily redesign it to look like the
 current site but the only issue I'm having is that the body still seems to
 be fixed (aside from on mobile devices and tablets) which is what I'm
 trying to avoid. I've never worked with Twitter Bootstrap or anything
 similar before so I don't really know what I'm doing. Any suggestions on
 what I can do here?
 
 
 On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Elle Stone l.elle.st...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Kasim,
 
 Designing/implementing a website is hard work and you are an amazing
 person for being willing to take on the job. In response to your
 request for feedback, already many have chimed in and given excellent
 advice. I wanted to add useability/accessibility to the list of
 things to consider, and then ask about the intended audience and goal.
 
 Accessibility guidelines and contrast:
 The gray on gray text has a contrast ratio of 3:1, which doesn't
 meet useability/contrast guidelines (WebAIM
 (http://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/).
 
 Some useful addons for checking accessibility issues:
 
 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/accessibility-evaluation-toolb/
 
 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/juicy-studio-accessibility-too/
 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/openajax-accessibility-exte/
 
 Unfortunately the color contrast tests provided by the above links
 don't work on the mockup because for some reason all the tools assume
 the background for the text is solid black, when really it's gray
 (according to Firebug, the actual background is transparent; the text
 is on top of a tiled textured gray background image - a pure css
 background would weigh less and perhaps be less distracting for those
 of us with less than perfect eyesight).
 
 I used Colorzilla to sample the gray text and background and got a
 contrast ratio of 3:1 (according to WebAIM, #efefef for the
 background, #88 for the text gives 3:1 contrast ratio). 3:1 is
 minimum for large text, 4.5:1 is suggested; 4.5:1 is minimum for small
 text, 7:1 suggested (18px is not large text, especially not when you
 get older and your eyes start to not let in so much light and you need
 to be farther from the screen to focus, etc).
 
 Font type and size:
 The font stack specifies Open Sans, Arial, and Helvetica, none of
 which are included in out of the box Linux distributions such as
 Ubuntu, Debian, and openSUSE.  The css/html code pulls 6 variants of
 the Open Sans font from
 http://themes.googleusercontent.com/static/fonts/. A suitable cross-OS
 font stack might be better than calls to an external website.
 
 The links at the bottom of the page use a 12px font, and Arial and
 Helvetica are smaller sans-serif fonts (at the same font size, the
 various fonts have radically different actual screen sizes, Verdana
 for example being much bigger than Arial). So the 12px text is doubly
 small.
 
 The current Gimp website doesn't go any smaller than 13.333px. Current
 recommendations are pushing towards 16px for the base font:
 
 http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2011/10/07/16-pixels-body-copy-anything-less-costly-mistake/
 http://informationarchitects.net/blog/100e2r
 http://www.sitepoint.com/eight-definitive-font-stacks/
 
 People who can't comfortably read the smaller font have the option to
 set a minimum font size with their browers. When I set a minimum size
 of 16px, the design breaks: Download is shoved under Gimp at the
 very top of the page. The Linux download link takes two lines
 instead of one, so the box is twice as tall as the Windows/Mac boxes

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Site Redesign

[Kasim Ahmic]

Well here's what I managed to get done today:
http://kasimahmic.koding.com/works/GIMPB/examples/carousel.html

It's basically just a content swap. It still needs to be entirely restyled.
Also, I found something out. If I change one of the classes, the body
becomes fluid. The problem with that is the images (the browser icons on
the page) and the text end up too far apart on the body.

This is the exact reason why I chose to go for a static design. The mockup
that Mike made doesn't exactly work with a fluid design unfortunately.
Unless we come up with something different, I'm afraid we'll be stuck with
a static design.


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Kasim Ahmic kasim.ah...@gmail.com wrote:

 I haven't actually modified any code yet. I've really only looked at the
 examples and though about what it would look like when I do.

 The body is basically just changing the images that are used, the text,
 and the background. The footer is really just adding the links. The header
 on the other hand, may be a but trickier but it should be doable.

 I'll upload the files, change some of the code, and send you guys the link
 to it later today so you can take a look at it and help a little bit if
 need be.

 Sent from my iPod

 On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Elle Stone l.elle.st...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hmm, looks like twitter bootstrap is a grid framework with fixed and
  fluid options. I've worked with fluid grid frameworks before (not
  twitter bootstrap). If you like, send me your modified css/html (or
  post a link for download) and I'll take a look at it to see if I can
  figure out why it isn't fluid all the time. It's probably something
  very simple but the relevant code might be buried in a non-obvious
  location.
 
  On 4/18/13, Kasim Ahmic kasim.ah...@gmail.com wrote:
  Thanks for the tips! I'll make sure to keep all that in mind when
 getting
  back to the overall look of the site. Right now, I'm focusing on using
  Twitter Bootstrap to recreate the site with a more fluid layout. I found
  that the Carousel Example (
  http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/examples/carousel.html) slightly
  resembles the current design. I can easily redesign it to look like the
  current site but the only issue I'm having is that the body still seems
 to
  be fixed (aside from on mobile devices and tablets) which is what I'm
  trying to avoid. I've never worked with Twitter Bootstrap or anything
  similar before so I don't really know what I'm doing. Any suggestions on
  what I can do here?
 
 
  On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Elle Stone l.elle.st...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi Kasim,
 
  Designing/implementing a website is hard work and you are an amazing
  person for being willing to take on the job. In response to your
  request for feedback, already many have chimed in and given excellent
  advice. I wanted to add useability/accessibility to the list of
  things to consider, and then ask about the intended audience and goal.
 
  Accessibility guidelines and contrast:
  The gray on gray text has a contrast ratio of 3:1, which doesn't
  meet useability/contrast guidelines (WebAIM
  (http://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/).
 
  Some useful addons for checking accessibility issues:
 
 
 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/accessibility-evaluation-toolb/
 
 
 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/juicy-studio-accessibility-too/
 
 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/openajax-accessibility-exte/
 
  Unfortunately the color contrast tests provided by the above links
  don't work on the mockup because for some reason all the tools assume
  the background for the text is solid black, when really it's gray
  (according to Firebug, the actual background is transparent; the text
  is on top of a tiled textured gray background image - a pure css
  background would weigh less and perhaps be less distracting for those
  of us with less than perfect eyesight).
 
  I used Colorzilla to sample the gray text and background and got a
  contrast ratio of 3:1 (according to WebAIM, #efefef for the
  background, #88 for the text gives 3:1 contrast ratio). 3:1 is
  minimum for large text, 4.5:1 is suggested; 4.5:1 is minimum for small
  text, 7:1 suggested (18px is not large text, especially not when you
  get older and your eyes start to not let in so much light and you need
  to be farther from the screen to focus, etc).
 
  Font type and size:
  The font stack specifies Open Sans, Arial, and Helvetica, none of
  which are included in out of the box Linux distributions such as
  Ubuntu, Debian, and openSUSE.  The css/html code pulls 6 variants of
  the Open Sans font from
  http://themes.googleusercontent.com/static/fonts/. A suitable cross-OS
  font stack might be better than calls to an external website.
 
  The links at the bottom of the page use a 12px font, and Arial and
  Helvetica are smaller sans-serif fonts (at the same font size, the
  various fonts have radically different actual screen sizes

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Site Redesign

[Kasim Ahmic]

Let me just start off by saying thank you for all the feedback!

One thing is missing: mobile-friendly layouts.  The current site is
 not fantastic at mobile size, but it's more usuable than your demo.
 Apologies if you were already planning to take care of this.
 As for HTML5, I've seen my fill of browser-specific issues with HTML
 4.0 and XHTML.  Avoid the stuff that's still in churn (eg, canvas tag
 the last time I checked), and HTML5 is fine IMO, and a lot more fun to
 work with.


 To be completely honest, I purposefully avoided mobile support.
Considering that GIMP is a desktop exclusive program, I figured that adding
mobile support would be a waste of time. If there is enough demand for it,
however, I'll attempt to add it.


I think the background image of the text GIMP - The freely distributed
 image editor... distracts from its content. Perhaps heavily blurring it
 might help - if it doesn't, use something else more background-like (the
 same image is in the animation on the right anyway).


 I entirely agree with the fact that it distracts the user. That's why I
asked for suggestions on its replacement. I'll try blurring the background
to see how that works out.


I don't think it's that big of an issue.  We live in an age of high
 resolution monitors.  Higher resolution images would be good to take
 advantage of that.  Personally I like the current site design (on gimp.org);
 primarily because I enjoy reading the GIMP news as soon as I get to the
 site (which I avidly check even though it's not updated very often).  For
 me it just means more clicks to get to news.  I guess I'll just depend on
 my RSS feed as it's not that big of a deal.


How about if I add a Recent News section between the body and footer?
Sort of a small feed that shows the 3-5 latest articles. I'll probably also
add a twitter feed (should the GIMP devs want to tweet their progress) and
a latest books feed or something along those lines. I've updated the demo
with this but for now it's just to show where the feeds would go. No
styling has actually been added yet.


To add on to my previous statements I'd like the front page to be edited a
 bit more.  I'll quote the previous text and then follow that with what I
 would like to see it say.   Note:
  *Professional Level Photo Filters
 * Make your photos picture perfect with with prefessional-grade color
 filtering.
 
  *Play with the Tools of the Trade
 * GIMP comes ready with everything you need to design like a pro.
 - Suggested Changes
 *Professional Photo Filters
 *Make your photos picture perfect with professional-grade color filtering.
 *Draft with the Tools of the Trade
 *GIMP has a robust set of tools and can be easily extended through
 add-ons.


Thanks for this! I've replaced the text on the page with your suggestion.


The answer to this is liquid, responsive designs using CSS media
 queries. This approach works in all modern browsers and is compatible
 with older browsers (and with Web crawlers).


I've already tried this. hoping to make it super fluid and look amazing on
all screen sizes. But with the way that Mike aligned everything, it makes
it extremely difficult to make sure everything stays in place and even more
so when I'm designing everything on a 1024x768 monitor. I stuck with a
static design because it's easier to manage and I know it'll look the same
on every display aside from those smaller than 1024x768. I'll try to make
it fluid again sometime in the future.

Oh and I'm not sure if you guys are thanking me for making the site or for
designing it. If it's for the latter, then please know that I had no part
in it's designing. That was all Mike Finch.
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Site Redesign

[Kasim Ahmic]

 That's a pretty cool idea.  Considering the space allotted for it I think
 only 1 article would be enough.  If I see that one article has changed I
 would go to the news feed to read more news :).


Well we'll see when we actually implement it. I'll most likely have to use
PHP for that which I have next to no knowledge about so it'll have to wait
until we can get someone to help me out there.



 One other thing I'd like to add.  Your html doesn't pass the W3C
 Validation Service.  I think we should follow the HTML5 standard.  Here's a
 quick URL for your convenience.


 Thanks for pointing that out! It's all fixed now.


On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Sam Gleske sam.mxra...@gmail.com wrote:




 On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Kasim Ahmic kasim.ah...@gmail.comwrote:

 How about if I add a Recent News section between the body and footer?
 Sort of a small feed that shows the 3-5 latest articles. I'll probably also
 add a twitter feed (should the GIMP devs want to tweet their progress) and
 a latest books feed or something along those lines. I've updated the demo
 with this but for now it's just to show where the feeds would go. No
 styling has actually been added yet.


 That's a pretty cool idea.  Considering the space allotted for it I think
 only 1 article would be enough.  If I see that one article has changed I
 would go to the news feed to read more news :).


 Oh and I'm not sure if you guys are thanking me for making the site or for
 designing it. If it's for the latter, then please know that I had no part
 in it's designing. That was all Mike Finch.


 Ah I forgot Mike Finch was the designer; nice shout out.  I give props to
 both of you.  Nice design and good conversion from template - html.

 One other thing I'd like to add.  Your html doesn't pass the W3C
 Validation Service.  I think we should follow the HTML5 standard.  Here's a
 quick URL for your convenience.


 http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fkasimahmic.koding.com%2Fworks%2FGIMP%2Fcharset=(detect+automatically)doctype=Inlinegroup=0

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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Site Redesign

[Kasim Ahmic]

I already went ahead and fixed it :P

As for the CSS, I'm attempting to get it to pass W3C specs but
it's proving difficult for whatever reason. I'll keep trying though.


On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Sam Gleske sam.mxra...@gmail.com wrote:




 On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Sam Gleske sam.mxra...@gmail.com wrote:

 One other thing I'd like to add.  Your html doesn't pass the W3C
 Validation Service.  I think we should follow the HTML5 standard.  Here's a
 quick URL for your convenience.


 http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fkasimahmic.koding.com%2Fworks%2FGIMP%2Fcharset=(detect+automatically)doctype=Inlinegroup=0


 I went ahead and changed your code so that it validates.  I've provided
 both a revised validated file and a diff to show the changes.  See the
 attached files index_validated.html and index_validated.diff.

 I also recommend you validating your CSS if you can (sometimes that's not
 always possible).

 http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Site Redesign

[Kasim Ahmic]

Alright, so first off, I've made the CSS almost fully valid. It turns out
that using the IE gradient filter was causing all the problems. Anyway, the
only error that's coming up now is because I'm using the
*::selection*selector to change the background of text when it's
highlighted. Not to big
of a deal so I think I'll just leave it at that.


First off, this is really great work.  It's awesome seeing this come to
 life.


 Thanks!


The original design I did (http://d.pr/i/LYn8) was intended to work within
 a responsive, flexible grid- specifically, Twitter Bootstrap (
 http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/).  Regardless of the content being
 for a desktop application, there's no reason to discount the use case of
 someone learning about GIMP while on the bus, and visiting the site on
 their phone.  The awesome thing about Bootstrap is that the mobile
 version comes in the framework for free without the need for any extra dev
 work.


I see. Alright, I'll leave this version up for now and make changes to it
as suggestions come it but I'll work on a separate one using Twitter
Bootstrap.


Just wanted to pop in and say thanks for all the hard work!  :)  Feel free
 to hit me directly if you have any questions/concerns.


 No problem! I love doing this sort of thing! And thanks, I'll keep that in
mind :)


On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Mike Finch i...@1sixty.com wrote:

 Hey guys/Kasim,

 First off, this is really great work.  It's awesome seeing this come to
 life.

 The original design I did (http://d.pr/i/LYn8) was intended to work
 within a responsive, flexible grid- specifically, Twitter Bootstrap (
 http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/).  Regardless of the content being
 for a desktop application, there's no reason to discount the use case of
 someone learning about GIMP while on the bus, and visiting the site on
 their phone.  The awesome thing about Bootstrap is that the mobile
 version comes in the framework for free without the need for any extra dev
 work.

 Regarding the background, I totally agree that a blurred, less distracting
 version would be more effective.  Very good call.

 Just wanted to pop in and say thanks for all the hard work!  :)  Feel free
 to hit me directly if you have any questions/concerns.


 *
 Mike Finch //
 **
 1sixty.com
 *
 *
 Twitter // @160south
 *

 On Friday, April 12, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Chris Mohler wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Kasim Ahmic kasim.ah...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 To be completely honest, I purposefully avoided mobile support. Considering
 that GIMP is a desktop exclusive program, I figured that adding mobile
 support would be a waste of time. If there is enough demand for it,
 however,
 I'll attempt to add it.


 I would at least have a look at adding something like bootstrap.
 Adding a few classes to your divs and you'd be 99% done. Most
 elements would then scale to fit tablets/mobile, etc.

 Use case A: I'm out at the bar and talking about design work. My
 companion mentions how all the software you need is expensive. I
 point out GIMP can handle quite a bit, esp when it comes to web and
 photos. My companion asks can it do X? I look it up on the site.
 Site looks bad == project looks bad.

 Use case B: Loss of internet connection, no local help installed, but
 access to web via a mobile data plan. Easy to access the docs on the
 phone.

 I doubt these cases are common, really - but using something like
 bootstrap or unsemantic doesn't take long and handles them nicely.

 Just my opinion really - I see it as a relatively small amount of
 effort even if the gains are small.

 Chris



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[Gimp-user] GIMP Site Redesign

[Kasim Ahmic]

Over at the Web List I've posted this redesign that I made from Mike Finch's 
mockup.

http://kasimahmic.koding.com/works/GIMP/

It seemed to get very high praise and acceptance from the users in the list. 
Overall, I think the homepage is done and I just wanted to ask more users about 
their opinion on it as well as figure out what I have to do next in terms of 
getting the redesign on the official GIMP site (assuming the developers like it 
as well).

A few things to note:

 - Currently, it is only the homepage 
 - We MIGHT be redesigning the entire GIMP website. No idea as of yet.
 - The slideshow images will be changed soon.
 - The background of the header might change as well.
 - We will not use the current text that we have on the body (ex. Professional 
Level Filters). This was discussed on the Web List.

So tell me what you guys think of it so far! Any and all positive as well as 
negative feedback is welcome and much appreciated. It'll really help me make 
this into something that everyone can enjoy!


- Kasim Ahmic

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[Gimp-user] Does GIMP Support RAW Images?

[Kasim Ahmic]

I've recently been looking into getting a Canon EOS Rebel T3. I noticed that it 
can take RAW images and I was just wondering if GIMP supports that.

Thanks!

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Re: [Gimp-user] Does GIMP Support RAW Images?

[Kasim Ahmic]

Ok I'll look into those programs, thank you! Although, do you know if there are 
any plans on supporting RAW?

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On Mar 4, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote:

 On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 05:34:36PM -0500, Kasim Ahmic wrote:
 I've recently been looking into getting a Canon EOS Rebel T3. I noticed
 that it can take RAW images and I was just wondering if GIMP supports
 that.
 
 GIMP doesn't have RAW support directly. There is a UFRaw plugin, but you may
 be better served by a dedicated RAW converter such as RawTherapee,
 DarkTable, or LightZone. (These are all free and open source.)
 
 If you need to do touch-up work after raw conversion, you can export a TIFF
 file and import that into Gimp.
 
 -- 
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Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

[Kasim Ahmic]

I hate to be that guy but this will most likely never change. I don't want to 
say I hate that feature but it did cause quite the inconvenience for me when it 
first came out. Over time, I got used to it and now, it's second nature for me 
to click Export instead of Save when I need to export an image to 
PNG/TIFF/JPG/GIF rather than save it to an XCF. It makes sense when you think 
about it.

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On Feb 17, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Burlen Loring blor...@lbl.gov wrote:

 I'm sure the author(s) feels that it's the best thing since sliced bread, 
 however, differentiating between save and export in newer gimp is a 
 ridiculous waste of time. it's so annoying and in efficient that I feel the 
 need to chime in against it and strongly hope  this change will be reversed 
 in a future release.
 
 In the nearly 10 years of using the gimp I can't think of a single time where 
 this would be useful. I've never had a problem differentiating between xcf 
 and other formats. That use case is covered quite nicely by save a copy.
 
 If it's not broken...
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] How to change the style of the outlines of the selection tools

[Kasim Ahmic]

In all honesty, I want this too. I've looked around quite a bit but I never 
found anything on the subject. The devs could most likely help us on this.

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On Dec 21, 2012, at 5:35 AM, Thomas Hänig hae...@cosifan.de wrote:

 Hi List,
 back in 2.6 the width of the outlines of the several selection tools was
 simply 1px (running ants by themselfes), now with 2.8 (at least here
 with OpenSuSE 12.2, XFCE 4.10 it is 3px (pls. see attachment (8 times
 enlarged)).
 
 Is there any possibility known (style setting for gtk, ...) to change it
 (back) to 1px? It would work make much more precise ...
 
 
 regards
 Thomas
 image001.png
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Kasim Ahmic]

Seriously? I don't like the Save vs. Export thing any more than you or anyone 
else here but instead of discussing it normally you complain about it like a 12 
year old. Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure that's not the way to get your 
opinions noticed...

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On Jun 30, 2012, at 11:15 AM, bobbo for...@gimpusers.com wrote:

 Dear GIMP developers, you have shittiet GIMP even more with your retarded 
 ideas about how we should save our files.
 
 And please, any hurr designerrrs don't counter me with GIMP saving dialog 
 paradigm- what's going on is developers trying to frorce their shitty .xcf 
 format on users. That's all there is. And that's ruining it for me, because 
 when i need it i'll use it myself.
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] What HAVE I done??

[Kasim Ahmic]

Right click on the layer you're working on select Add Alpha Transparency

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On May 28, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Allan Topp ad...@ncf.ca wrote:

 I have been blissfully GIMPing away ... and all of a sudden when I try to 
 delete/erase/make transparent a selection it instead fills the selection with 
 the foreground colour.
 
 Anyone have idea what I've done and how to fix it?
 
 TIA
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Kasim Ahmic]

Honestly, this new export/save method is pointless to me. I rarely ever use XCF 
files unless I'm working with a project that stretches over days and I need to 
constantly make changes to a file with many layers.

99.9% of the time I simply import a PNG or JPEG, edit what I need to edit, and 
Save (well export rather). Then I check it in a browser and if there's a 
mistake, I go back fix it and hit Save. It's just so much simpler that way 
without all the extra features like Export, Export To, and Overwrite. 

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On May 2, 2012, at 11:21 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine 
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Kasim Ahmic kasim.ah...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was just thinking like a toggle in the Preferences saying something like 
 Use old save/export method. But by default it's set to the new method.
 
 Kasim.
 
 I encourage you to carefully read intro at
 http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Save_%2B_export_specification. It really
 explains why this option wouldn't make a lot of sense.
 
 Alexandre Prokoudine
 http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Re: [Gimp-user] merge-anim errors

[Kasim Ahmic]

You're welcome! Always happy to help :)

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On Mar 23, 2012, at 10:31 PM, Tsume for...@gimpusers.com wrote:

 All you have to do is make the background layer under the frame,
 right click on the frame and select merge down. Do this for every
 layer and you'll have the animation with a background.
 
 THANK YOU! That worked perfectly.  Probably the fastest and most helpful 
 response I've gotten on a forum/list in a LONG time.
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] An introduction and some questions

[Kasim Ahmic]

I can't help you understand the license but if you can get GIMP to run on 
tablets like the iPad, that would be awesome! Getting it on the iPhone and iPod 
Touch would be even more amazing! But if you aren't able to, that fine :P

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On Dec 20, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Mark Peng mark.p...@kupaworld.com wrote:

 Hi fellow GIMP user,
 
 My name is Mark Peng.  I first learned about GIMP as a photographer and a 
 Linux user.  It was the best tool for someone like me who need a powerful 
 tool and didn't want to boot back in Windows just to use Photoshop.
 
 Few years after I started using GIMP and I joined a company that makes 
 Windows based tablet computer with an active digital stylus and multitouch 
 input.  While my colleagues focus how Photoshop and Artrage would run on our 
 tablet, I thought GIMP would be the perfect software for the tablet and our 
 customer.  I already tested it out, it runs great and the pen pressure 
 sensitivity is supported.   However, I am hesitate to recommend to the 
 company because I am not familiar with GNU General Public License.  I was 
 wondering if someone on the discussion forum could help me understand the 
 finer detail
 I did look at this link and understand GIMP is a free software under GNU 
 General Public License.
 http://www.gimp.org/about/COPYING
 http://www.gimp.org/about/selling.html
 We don't intend to sell it for profit or charge extra for the service of 
 installing it.  The goal here is to preinstall it on the system since so many 
 of our customers like it and ask us why we don't include it in the first 
 place.
 
 -- 
 Mark Peng
 Kupa LLC
 mark.p...@kupaworld.com
 (626)539-4287
 www.kupaworld.com
 
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