Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ofnuts via gimp-user-list]

Things have gotten a bit more complex in 2.10 because IIRC some of the
tool options are really under the control of the "Input device" tab of
the preference, where you also find "Save now", "Reset to defaults"
buttons and a "Save on exit" checkbox. This would be coherent with tools
being associated to input devices.


On 30/10/2021 23:15, Akkana Peck wrote:

Well, sort of. But that setting doesn't work the way it used to,
and in some cases it doesn't work at all.

First, "Save Tool Options Now" used to save the active tool, as well
as the options for all the tools. Now it (both 2.10 and 2.99) always
saves the active tool at exit, even if you have "save tool options
at exit" un-checked and you've explicitly done a "save now" to set
the tool you want selected whenever you start gimp.

To see that, start with a fresh profile (rename your current one), then:

Start gimp.
Click on the Crop tool.
Edit-Preferences
   Tool Options
 Click Save Tool Options now.
 Un-check "Save tool options on exit" (in 2.99 it's un-checked
 by default, in 2.10 it's checked by default).
 Dismiss Preferences
Click on the Paintbrush tool.
Exit gimp.

Start gimp.
The active tool is now Paintbrush, not Crop.

With the gimp 2.10.22 from the Ubuntu repos, that I use for everyday
gimping, I've had worse problems, where actual tool options, like
the brush for Paintbrush and Fixed size or aspect for Crop, are also
saved on exit even when the preference isn't checked. But I haven't
been able to reproduce that with a fresh profile, or on 2.99, so
I suspect some some strange interaction it's having with my existing
configuration. That's why I never filed a bug on this even though
it's been annoying me for at least a year.

But the bit about not saving the active tool is reproducible with
both 2.10 and 2.99, so I should probably file a bug on that part.
In 2.8 and earlier 2.10 versions, the active tool was reliably saved
when you clicked "save tool options now", and was never saved at
exit if you un-checked the "save on exit" preference, and it's
hard to imagine that anyone who would un-check that preference
would want the active tool saved at exit.

 ...Akkana
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Akkana Peck]

Liam R E Quin writes:
> On Wed, 2021-10-20 at 21:58 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 01:36:15AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 19 October 2021 21:23:50 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > It is just broken.  Everytime I use it it defaults to 62pts and it
> > refuses to change.
> 
> I think you are saying that gimp is not saving tool options on exit?
> 
> If so that's controlled by a setting in edit/preferences.

Well, sort of. But that setting doesn't work the way it used to,
and in some cases it doesn't work at all.

First, "Save Tool Options Now" used to save the active tool, as well
as the options for all the tools. Now it (both 2.10 and 2.99) always
saves the active tool at exit, even if you have "save tool options
at exit" un-checked and you've explicitly done a "save now" to set
the tool you want selected whenever you start gimp.

To see that, start with a fresh profile (rename your current one), then:

Start gimp.
Click on the Crop tool.
Edit-Preferences
  Tool Options
Click Save Tool Options now.
Un-check "Save tool options on exit" (in 2.99 it's un-checked
by default, in 2.10 it's checked by default).
Dismiss Preferences
Click on the Paintbrush tool.
Exit gimp.

Start gimp.
The active tool is now Paintbrush, not Crop.

With the gimp 2.10.22 from the Ubuntu repos, that I use for everyday
gimping, I've had worse problems, where actual tool options, like
the brush for Paintbrush and Fixed size or aspect for Crop, are also
saved on exit even when the preference isn't checked. But I haven't
been able to reproduce that with a fresh profile, or on 2.99, so
I suspect some some strange interaction it's having with my existing
configuration. That's why I never filed a bug on this even though
it's been annoying me for at least a year.

But the bit about not saving the active tool is reproducible with
both 2.10 and 2.99, so I should probably file a bug on that part.
In 2.8 and earlier 2.10 versions, the active tool was reliably saved
when you clicked "save tool options now", and was never saved at
exit if you un-checked the "save on exit" preference, and it's
hard to imagine that anyone who would un-check that preference
would want the active tool saved at exit.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list]

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 11:29 AM Ross Martinek wrote:
>
> Thank you, Cliff.
>
> Some folks just don’t  understand that fiddling with a program is the way to 
> learn it. Oh, sure, the for profit software can afford to hand the user a 
> “how to” manual of greater or lesser worth.

We will definitely update the user manual accordingly.

Alex
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list]

Gene,

I've never had to do that. I'll have a fiddle, but, can I ask, what do you
see in the "Tool Options" when you open GIMP without an image? I attach a
screenshot of my GIMP window when I open it.

Cliff

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 6:36 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Tuesday 19 October 2021 21:23:50 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list wrote:
>
> > The 'text problem' has been discussed many times, and the root cause
> > is people not understanding how the tools works. I did (for my own
> > satisfaction) quite a lot of fiddling with the tool + its options, and
> > I've been able to reproduce all the issues that I've seen reported. As
> > far as I can recall the issue was that the users were trying to change
> > things in two places, in the on screen editor, and in the tool
> > options. Changes in the on screen editor only apply to that box.
> > Changes to the tool options apply to either the current box or the
> > next box created. Changes to the current box are never (so far as I
> > can make out) applied to the tool options. There is no hidden default.
> > The tool options can be changed and are saved between sessions and the
> > next time you open GIMP they will be the same as they were when you
> > last shut down.
> >
> > Cliff
>
> I wish that were true, but I've had to expand the size of the font from
> invisible to 100 points or more for every box of text I've used to add
> captions or labels to a picture for at least 20 years. If its a tool
> option, tell me please how to set it so its big enough to be read by
> default. I ATM, have whatever version is std for debian stretch.
>
> Thanks.
>
> [...]
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ross Martinek]

Thank you, Cliff.

Some folks just don’t  understand that fiddling with a program is the way to 
learn it. Oh, sure, the for profit software can afford to hand the user a “how 
to” manual of greater or lesser worth. Not so with Gimp. This is a place to ask 
questions and get answers, not a place to berate and abuse the UNPAID 
developers, as someone (who shall remain forever nameless) has recently done. 
If you want a piece of software that will lead you by the hand through 
everything you want to do, BUY one, hope they wrote a decent manual, and RTFM. 
If you would prefer to use a freeware program like Gimp, fiddle, learn, ask 
questions, and file bug reports. Don’t abuse the programmers or the program. It 
may distract them, and annoys those of us who are trying to get something done, 
but are willing to help as we can.

And if the newer versions don’t work the way you like, use an older version. 
I’m still using Gimp 2.8.18—I understand how the things I need to do work, and 
working to a large product deadline is NOT a time to learn new, or revised 
technology. The best tool for the job is the one you know how to use.

Ross


> On Oct 19, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> The 'text problem' has been discussed many times, and the root cause is
> people not understanding how the tools works. I did (for my own
> satisfaction) quite a lot of fiddling with the tool + its options, and I've
> been able to reproduce all the issues that I've seen reported. As far as I
> can recall the issue was that the users were trying to change things in two
> places, in the on screen editor, and in the tool options. Changes in the on
> screen editor only apply to that box. Changes to the tool options apply to
> either the current box or the next box created. Changes to the current box
> are never (so far as I can make out) applied to the tool options. There is
> no hidden default. The tool options can be changed and are saved between
> sessions and the next time you open GIMP they will be the same as they were
> when you last shut down.
> 
> Cliff
> 
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 11:20 PM Ofnuts via gimp-user-list <
> gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 19/10/2021 07:36, Ruben Safir wrote:
>>> It has been described on the mailing list about ten times, and it keeps
>>> falling on deaf ear.  Try using it and see for yourself how it keeps
>>> defaulting to size 64 fonts and you can't force it to change accept by
>>> luck and seridipity.
>> 
>> 
>> Uh? To change the default font size, you change it in the tool options,
>> and then have the tool options saved in Preferences (for which there are
>> basically two strategies, saved options each time when you exit, or save
>> options once for all). You can also use tool presets...
>> 
>> Otherwise, "described in the mailing list" isn't the same as "reported
>> in the bug tracker".
>> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list]

If it is a preference option, then the solution would be to turn the save
option on, make the change, exit the program, restart the program and turn
the option off.

BTW if you were referring to my post, it wasn't my intent to say "it
works!" My intent was to say "It works *for me*." If it appeared to be
confronting, I apologise. That wasn't my intent.

Incidentally, I appear to have replied to all. My mistake, sorry.

Cliff

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:52 PM Simon Budig  wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list (gimp-user-list@gnome.org) wrote:
> > No.
> > 1) I open GIMP
> > 2) The font size as I see it is 80pts.
> > 3) I change it to 100.
> > 4) I exit.
> > 5) I reopen GIMP.
> > 6) The font size is 100.
> >
> > ??
>
> If tool options get saved on exit is actually a preference option, as
> mentioned in this thread already. This is something where I've never
> really found out what I actually prefer. I personally like it when a
> program starts up in a defined state (which requires disabling this
> option), but having the tool options saved has its benefits as well.
>
> Note that Gimp has a ton of places where its behaviour depends on
> options. Weird tool behaviour is frequently related to the tool options
> which at some point might even have been changed by accident.
>
> And to everybody in this thread: Please be careful before entering in
> "it works", "no it doesnt", "yes it does! I can show you", "it is just
> broken!!1!" shouting matches. Gimp is not the same for everybody and
> sometimes small changes can make huge differences to the user
> experience. Be aware of that and be understanding towards towards the
> people describing a gimp behaviour differing from your experiences.
> Usually there is an explantation somewhere.
>
> Thank you,
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Simon Budig]

Hi all.

Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list (gimp-user-list@gnome.org) wrote:
> No.
> 1) I open GIMP
> 2) The font size as I see it is 80pts.
> 3) I change it to 100.
> 4) I exit.
> 5) I reopen GIMP.
> 6) The font size is 100.
> 
> ??

If tool options get saved on exit is actually a preference option, as
mentioned in this thread already. This is something where I've never
really found out what I actually prefer. I personally like it when a
program starts up in a defined state (which requires disabling this
option), but having the tool options saved has its benefits as well.

Note that Gimp has a ton of places where its behaviour depends on
options. Weird tool behaviour is frequently related to the tool options
which at some point might even have been changed by accident.

And to everybody in this thread: Please be careful before entering in
"it works", "no it doesnt", "yes it does! I can show you", "it is just
broken!!1!" shouting matches. Gimp is not the same for everybody and
sometimes small changes can make huge differences to the user
experience. Be aware of that and be understanding towards towards the
people describing a gimp behaviour differing from your experiences.
Usually there is an explantation somewhere.

Thank you,
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list]

No.
1) I open GIMP
2) The font size as I see it is 80pts.
3) I change it to 100.
4) I exit.
5) I reopen GIMP.
6) The font size is 100.

??

Cliff

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 2:58 PM Ruben Safir  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 01:36:15AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 19 October 2021 21:23:50 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list wrote:
> >
> > > The 'text problem' has been discussed many times, and the root cause
> > > is people not understanding how the tools works. I did (for my own
> > > satisfaction) quite a lot of fiddling with the tool + its options, and
> > > I've been able to reproduce all the issues that I've seen reported. As
> > > far as I can recall the issue was that the users were trying to change
> > > things in two places, in the on screen editor, and in the tool
> > > options. Changes in the on screen editor only apply to that box.
> > > Changes to the tool options apply to either the current box or the
> > > next box created. Changes to the current box are never (so far as I
> > > can make out) applied to the tool options. There is no hidden default.
> > > The tool options can be changed and are saved between sessions and the
> > > next time you open GIMP they will be the same as they were when you
> > > last shut down.
> > >
> > > Cliff
> >
> > I wish that were true, but I've had to expand the size of the font from
> > invisible to 100 points or more for every box of text I've used to add
> > captions or labels to a picture for at least 20 years. If its a tool
> > option, tell me please how to set it so its big enough to be read by
> > default. I ATM, have whatever version is std for debian stretch.
> >
>
>
> It is not a tools option problem
>
> It is just broken.  Everytime I use it it defaults to 62pts and it
> refuses to change.
>
> It is just broken
>
> It didn't used to be.
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Liam R E Quin]

On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 17:15 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 21 October 2021 16:21:44 Liam R E Quin wrote:
> I was able to enable saveing tools on exit, 
> which was not checked.

OK

>  But was unable to open a gegl selection dialog. 
Sorry, i do not know what that is. Do you mean the file chooser?

Probably you can ignore the messages about the gegl cache.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 21 October 2021 16:21:44 Liam R E Quin wrote:

> On Wed, 2021-10-20 at 21:58 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 01:36:15AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 19 October 2021 21:23:50 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list
> > > wrote:
> >
> > It is just broken.  Everytime I use it it defaults to 62pts and it
> > refuses to change.
>
> I think you are saying that gimp is not saving tool options on exit?
>
> If so that's controlled by a setting in edit/preferences.
>
> Liam
gimp 2.8 on stretch here. Running from command line gets me a screen 
full+ of errors about gegl's cache size can't be set, naming a different 
hex address for each error. I was able to enable saveing tools on exit, 
which was not checked. But was unable to open a gegl selection dialog. I 
did not have a sacrificial image loaded. Are these errors and results 
normal for 2.8?

Thanks.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Liam R E Quin]

On Wed, 2021-10-20 at 21:58 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 01:36:15AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 19 October 2021 21:23:50 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list
> > wrote:
> > 
> It is just broken.  Everytime I use it it defaults to 62pts and it
> refuses to change.

I think you are saying that gimp is not saving tool options on exit?

If so that's controlled by a setting in edit/preferences.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 01:36:15AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 October 2021 21:23:50 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list wrote:
> 
> > The 'text problem' has been discussed many times, and the root cause
> > is people not understanding how the tools works. I did (for my own
> > satisfaction) quite a lot of fiddling with the tool + its options, and
> > I've been able to reproduce all the issues that I've seen reported. As
> > far as I can recall the issue was that the users were trying to change
> > things in two places, in the on screen editor, and in the tool
> > options. Changes in the on screen editor only apply to that box.
> > Changes to the tool options apply to either the current box or the
> > next box created. Changes to the current box are never (so far as I
> > can make out) applied to the tool options. There is no hidden default.
> > The tool options can be changed and are saved between sessions and the
> > next time you open GIMP they will be the same as they were when you
> > last shut down.
> >
> > Cliff
> 
> I wish that were true, but I've had to expand the size of the font from 
> invisible to 100 points or more for every box of text I've used to add 
> captions or labels to a picture for at least 20 years. If its a tool 
> option, tell me please how to set it so its big enough to be read by 
> default. I ATM, have whatever version is std for debian stretch.
> 


It is not a tools option problem

It is just broken.  Everytime I use it it defaults to 62pts and it
refuses to change.

It is just broken

It didn't used to be.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

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On Tuesday 19 October 2021 21:23:50 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list wrote:

> The 'text problem' has been discussed many times, and the root cause
> is people not understanding how the tools works. I did (for my own
> satisfaction) quite a lot of fiddling with the tool + its options, and
> I've been able to reproduce all the issues that I've seen reported. As
> far as I can recall the issue was that the users were trying to change
> things in two places, in the on screen editor, and in the tool
> options. Changes in the on screen editor only apply to that box.
> Changes to the tool options apply to either the current box or the
> next box created. Changes to the current box are never (so far as I
> can make out) applied to the tool options. There is no hidden default.
> The tool options can be changed and are saved between sessions and the
> next time you open GIMP they will be the same as they were when you
> last shut down.
>
> Cliff

I wish that were true, but I've had to expand the size of the font from 
invisible to 100 points or more for every box of text I've used to add 
captions or labels to a picture for at least 20 years. If its a tool 
option, tell me please how to set it so its big enough to be read by 
default. I ATM, have whatever version is std for debian stretch.

Thanks.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list]

The 'text problem' has been discussed many times, and the root cause is
people not understanding how the tools works. I did (for my own
satisfaction) quite a lot of fiddling with the tool + its options, and I've
been able to reproduce all the issues that I've seen reported. As far as I
can recall the issue was that the users were trying to change things in two
places, in the on screen editor, and in the tool options. Changes in the on
screen editor only apply to that box. Changes to the tool options apply to
either the current box or the next box created. Changes to the current box
are never (so far as I can make out) applied to the tool options. There is
no hidden default. The tool options can be changed and are saved between
sessions and the next time you open GIMP they will be the same as they were
when you last shut down.

Cliff

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> On 19/10/2021 07:36, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > It has been described on the mailing list about ten times, and it keeps
> > falling on deaf ear.  Try using it and see for yourself how it keeps
> > defaulting to size 64 fonts and you can't force it to change accept by
> > luck and seridipity.
>
>
> Uh? To change the default font size, you change it in the tool options,
> and then have the tool options saved in Preferences (for which there are
> basically two strategies, saved options each time when you exit, or save
> options once for all). You can also use tool presets...
>
> Otherwise, "described in the mailing list" isn't the same as "reported
> in the bug tracker".
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

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On 19/10/2021 07:36, Ruben Safir wrote:

It has been described on the mailing list about ten times, and it keeps
falling on deaf ear.  Try using it and see for yourself how it keeps
defaulting to size 64 fonts and you can't force it to change accept by
luck and seridipity.



Uh? To change the default font size, you change it in the tool options,
and then have the tool options saved in Preferences (for which there are
basically two strategies, saved options each time when you exit, or save
options once for all). You can also use tool presets...

Otherwise, "described in the mailing list" isn't the same as "reported
in the bug tracker".


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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

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On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:38:06PM +0300, Cristian Secară wrote:
> În data de Sun, 17 Oct 2021 11:24:10 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
> gimp-user-list a scris:
> 
> > > Why is it that now when I crop the image that the canvas sticks out.
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > Enabling the "Delete cropped pixels" checkbox in Crop tool's options
> > restores the old destructive behavior
> 
> After crop, usually I go to Layer > Layer to Image Size.
> 

FWIW, that is crazy to have to do that

> Until this 'discussion' I never noticed the "Delete cropped pixels" option :)
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

Also, it would be great if you fixed the file previewer.  Why does it
work in every other piece of software, but not the gimp?  I get tired of
opening directories with viewnoir and then forking to the gimp.

And please return Crop to normal so it is useful and people don't laugh
at us for using broken software.  Just borrow the libraries from
ImageMagick.




On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 01:37:42AM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:47:41PM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
> gimp-user-list wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 8:38 PM Cristian Secară wrote:
> > 
> > > > Enabling the "Delete cropped pixels" checkbox in Crop tool's options
> > > > restores the old destructive behavior
> > >
> > > After crop, usually I go to Layer > Layer to Image Size.
> > >
> > > Until this 'discussion' I never noticed the "Delete cropped pixels" 
> > > option :)
> > 
> > That's the thing with new options and preferences: they aren't
> > discoverable, and people tend to avoid reading release notes. I mean,
> > people are still discovering the single-window mode after almost 10
> > years! :)
> 
> 
> I doesn't need an hiddne option burried in the interface.  It needs crop
> to work correctly for everyone.
> 
> Crop is Crop, and it is always destructive
> 
> > 
> > There are some less intrusive ways to make people aware of new
> > options. I did file https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/issues/5541
> > a while ago, and it looks like Jehan is interested in implementing
> > that at some point in the future. That should take away some friction.
> > 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:47:41PM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
gimp-user-list wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 8:38 PM Cristian Secară wrote:
> 
> > > Enabling the "Delete cropped pixels" checkbox in Crop tool's options
> > > restores the old destructive behavior
> >
> > After crop, usually I go to Layer > Layer to Image Size.
> >
> > Until this 'discussion' I never noticed the "Delete cropped pixels" option 
> > :)
> 
> That's the thing with new options and preferences: they aren't
> discoverable, and people tend to avoid reading release notes. I mean,
> people are still discovering the single-window mode after almost 10
> years! :)


I doesn't need an hiddne option burried in the interface.  It needs crop
to work correctly for everyone.

Crop is Crop, and it is always destructive

> 
> There are some less intrusive ways to make people aware of new
> options. I did file https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/issues/5541
> a while ago, and it looks like Jehan is interested in implementing
> that at some point in the future. That should take away some friction.
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

> 
> > BTW - they need to fix the text tool that they BROKE
> 
> Please elaborate on that.
> 


It has been described on the mailing list about ten times, and it keeps
falling on deaf ear.  Try using it and see for yourself how it keeps
defaulting to size 64 fonts and you can't force it to change accept by
luck and seridipity.

Instead of breaking Crop, why not fix this, which worked for 20 years
and is now broken.

Every image software has done this flawlessly since Paint Shop Pro.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 05:18:59PM -1000, scott smart via gimp-user-list wrote:
> 
> On 10/18/2021 07:38, Cristian Secară wrote:
> >În data de Sun, 17 Oct 2021 11:24:10 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
> >gimp-user-list a scris:
> >
> >>>Why is it that now when I crop the image that the canvas sticks out.
> >>[...]
> >>
> >>Enabling the "Delete cropped pixels" checkbox in Crop tool's options
> >>restores the old destructive behavior
> >After crop, usually I go to Layer > Layer to Image Size. Until
> >this 'discussion' I never noticed the "Delete cropped pixels"
> >option :)
> 
> 
> same  here (though I use fit canvas to layers).  Was wondering why
> crop was working more like a selection.  At least, I've never seen a
> crop before that didn't crop.  And delete cropped pixels doesn't
> actually crop if you have "current layer only" checked (canvas
> remains unchanged).

They are having a major problem understanding the word "crop" and they
broke the gimp.

> 
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 07:31:21PM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
gimp-user-list wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 7:18 PM Ruben Safir wrote:
> 
> > > When you do cropping _and_ you apply a bunch of changes on top of it,
> > > you have to go all the way back to redo cropping if you want it done
> > > differently.
> >
> > No problem with that.  Using cropping any other way is stupid.
> 
> https://www.gimp.org/mail_lists.html#code-of-conduct
> 
> "Please make sure that you add value to the discussion, avoid
> repetitive arguments, flamewars, trolling,_ and personal attacks.

I am afraid your not listening.  You think this is a debatable point and
it is not and that quick wit and smart arguments matter.

Your blocking the screen after a crop.  That is called broken.

Never quote me a code of conduct.  They are facist tools.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

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On 10/18/2021 07:38, Cristian Secară wrote:

În data de Sun, 17 Oct 2021 11:24:10 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
gimp-user-list a scris:


Why is it that now when I crop the image that the canvas sticks out.

[...]

Enabling the "Delete cropped pixels" checkbox in Crop tool's options
restores the old destructive behavior
After crop, usually I go to Layer > Layer to Image Size. Until this 
'discussion' I never noticed the "Delete cropped pixels" option :) 



same  here (though I use fit canvas to layers).  Was wondering why crop 
was working more like a selection.  At least, I've never seen a crop 
before that didn't crop.  And delete cropped pixels doesn't actually 
crop if you have "current layer only" checked (canvas remains unchanged).



scott s.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

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On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 8:38 PM Cristian Secară wrote:

> > Enabling the "Delete cropped pixels" checkbox in Crop tool's options
> > restores the old destructive behavior
>
> After crop, usually I go to Layer > Layer to Image Size.
>
> Until this 'discussion' I never noticed the "Delete cropped pixels" option :)

That's the thing with new options and preferences: they aren't
discoverable, and people tend to avoid reading release notes. I mean,
people are still discovering the single-window mode after almost 10
years! :)

There are some less intrusive ways to make people aware of new
options. I did file https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/issues/5541
a while ago, and it looks like Jehan is interested in implementing
that at some point in the future. That should take away some friction.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

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În data de Sun, 17 Oct 2021 11:24:10 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
gimp-user-list a scris:

> > Why is it that now when I crop the image that the canvas sticks out.
> 
> [...]
> 
> Enabling the "Delete cropped pixels" checkbox in Crop tool's options
> restores the old destructive behavior

After crop, usually I go to Layer > Layer to Image Size.

Until this 'discussion' I never noticed the "Delete cropped pixels" option :)

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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

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On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 7:18 PM Ruben Safir wrote:

> > When you do cropping _and_ you apply a bunch of changes on top of it,
> > you have to go all the way back to redo cropping if you want it done
> > differently.
>
> No problem with that.  Using cropping any other way is stupid.

https://www.gimp.org/mail_lists.html#code-of-conduct

"Please make sure that you add value to the discussion, avoid
repetitive arguments, flamewars, trolling,_ and personal attacks.

I'm afraid I have to ask you to stop.

> BTW - they need to fix the text tool that they BROKE

Please elaborate on that.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

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BTW - they need to fix the text tool that they BROKE

That is really an urgent need.  

and fix the crop and fix the save so it saves.

Then it would be perfect and you can just stop coding it and stop
breaking it.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

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On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:06:04PM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
gimp-user-list wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 11:06 AM Ruben Safir wrote:
> 
> > Neither does anyone else.   You beavers are destroying the GIMP
> 
> I'm fairly certain none of GIMP contributors are large rodents
> although we generally do like swimming and building habitat.
> 
> > You DO understand that CTL Z returns your crop?
> 
> Oh, right. Ctrl-Z. About that.
> 
> When you do cropping _and_ you apply a bunch of changes on top of it,
> you have to go all the way back to redo cropping if you want it done
> differently. 


No problem with that.  Using cropping any other way is stupid.

Crop means CROP



crop verb
cropped; cropping

Definition of crop (Entry 2 of 2)

transitive verb
1a : to remove the upper or outer parts of crop a hedge crop a dog's
ears
b : harvest crop trout
c : to cut off short : trim crop a photograph
2 : to cause (land) to bear a crop planned to crop another 40 acres also
: to grow as a crop

intransitive verb
1 : to feed by cropping something
2 : to yield or make a crop
3 : to appear unexpectedly or casually Problems crop up daily.


There is ZERO that is non-destructive about it.

There is no reason to write long paragraphs otherwise.


You are blocking the damn screen

If you don't want to crop then learn to use select correctly

Just because you're confused doesn't mean the reast of us have to be.




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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

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On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 11:06 AM Ruben Safir wrote:

> Neither does anyone else.   You beavers are destroying the GIMP

I'm fairly certain none of GIMP contributors are large rodents
although we generally do like swimming and building habitat.

> You DO understand that CTL Z returns your crop?

Oh, right. Ctrl-Z. About that.

When you do cropping _and_ you apply a bunch of changes on top of it,
you have to go all the way back to redo cropping if you want it done
differently. And _then_ you have to redo all the other changes all
over again. Until last year, the only alternative was to crop as the
very last step which is kind of annoying because that's not
necessarily one's intention.

You don't have to understand the workflows of all the other GIMP
users, you do you. But _we_ do have to understand the variety of uses
of GIMP. Kind of our job, however unpaid. So we do it. We actually
listen to what users want, and it's non-destructive editing. Denying
that won't get you anywhere. Enabling the "Delete cropped pixels"
option, however, will bring you back the behaviour you want, forever.
I guess you already tried that? Please tell us if it fixes the
behavior for you.

> BTW - you broke the bump map filters as well...

I guess you didn't specify Aux Input for the bump map to work. Please
try that and tell us if it still doesn't work.

> the things you guyys break just goes on and on

Please file bug reports.

> Text Floatings Selections also is broken

There does not seem to be such a bug report in the issue tracker.
Please elaborate.

Alex
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

BTW - you broke the bump map filters as well...

the things you guyys break just goes on and on


Text Floatings Selections also is broken

All these things used to work.


On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 04:02:10AM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 10:41:19PM -0400, Rick Strong wrote:
> > I guess I'm a "spaz" (quite a pejorative term, when you think about it)
> > because I like non-destructive actions for when I come back to a file months
> > later. I can undo the crop or the crap I have inflicted upon it. After 30
> > years using this stuff I know about CTRL-Z but I never use histories.
> 
> 
> What, you don't have your original image.
> 
> Your not a spaz.  That is not the word I would use.  I would suggest
> that you think about what you are doing to users and stop breaking this
> software.
> 
> 
> If you don't knw how to use histories then you don't know how to
> properly use the GIMP.  You can reverse ANY experiment.
> 
> CROP MEANS CROP THE DAMN THING.  You crop it to make it smaller not a
> CLUGE of invisable garbage
> 
> And fix the Save as well so that it works normally...
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Non-destruct does it for me.
> > 
> > R
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 10:41:19PM -0400, Rick Strong wrote:
> I guess I'm a "spaz" (quite a pejorative term, when you think about it)
> because I like non-destructive actions for when I come back to a file months
> later. I can undo the crop or the crap I have inflicted upon it. After 30
> years using this stuff I know about CTRL-Z but I never use histories.


What, you don't have your original image.

Your not a spaz.  That is not the word I would use.  I would suggest
that you think about what you are doing to users and stop breaking this
software.


If you don't knw how to use histories then you don't know how to
properly use the GIMP.  You can reverse ANY experiment.

CROP MEANS CROP THE DAMN THING.  You crop it to make it smaller not a
CLUGE of invisable garbage

And fix the Save as well so that it works normally...



> 
> Non-destruct does it for me.
> 
> R
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 04:55:22AM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
gimp-user-list wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 3:38 AM Ruben Safir wrote:
> 
> > Better - DITCH IT
> 
> Dear Ruben,
> 
> >From the three emails you sent, my understanding is that:
> 
> 1. You have no use for non-destructive cropping.
> 

Neither does anyone else.   You beavers are destroying the GIMP

You DO understand that CTL Z returns your crop?

I'm not debating this.  You folks need to start listening to the users
and maybe test stuff out with real people 

Human Interface Design is not an opinion... it is a science.

When you block half the screen with an unneed blank space  you broke
it by any reasonable deifnition.

Get on the right side of this

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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Rick Strong]

I guess I'm a "spaz" (quite a pejorative term, when you think about it)
because I like non-destructive actions for when I come back to a file months
later. I can undo the crop or the crap I have inflicted upon it. After 30
years using this stuff I know about CTRL-Z but I never use histories.

Non-destruct does it for me.

R 


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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 3:38 AM Ruben Safir wrote:

> Better - DITCH IT

Dear Ruben,

>From the three emails you sent, my understanding is that:

1. You have no use for non-destructive cropping.

2. You assume that everyone else in the user community shares your
opinion on this.

I hope I got it right.

Personally, I'm perfectly fine with 1). People have different use
cases and workflows, that's why this is an option rather than a
hardcoded behavior. Once you set it to do what you want it to do, it
stays that way forever.

However, 2) is factually incorrect based on users' feedback we've got
so far. Hence "ditching it" would actually mean that we do _not_
listen to users.

We _might_ reconsider enabling this option by default though, but that
would require vastly more people chiming in to tell us to, indeed,
reconsider.

I hope it makes sense to you.

Alex
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

> 
> We did not break anything :) We added a non-destructive mode and
> enabled it by default.
> 


Honestly, when you say things like this, not only are you wrong, 
but it is also very insulting.


> >  Can you tell me the setting that returns the gimp to sanity?
> 
> Enabling the "Delete cropped pixels" checkbox in Crop tool's options
> restores the old destructive behavior
> 

Just get rid of it so I don't have to remember useless obscure
information in my old age.


> All of that has been documented:
> 
> https://www.gimp.org/news/2020/06/11/gimp-2-10-20-released/#basic-non-destructive-cropping
>

You can't find it like that.  Try indexing as something an end user
understands like useless retaining of canvas size after cropping which
then needlessly blocks the screen, and there seems to be nothing you can
do about it (to quote Arlo Guthrie)

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CJA8RRLWuQ
> 

I have all the time in the world to waste on that drawn out explaination
to fix your bug.

> We need to update the user manual though.
> 

Better - DITCH IT
Better - DITCH IT
Better - DITCH IT
Better - DITCH IT
Better - DITCH IT
Better - DITCH IT
Better - DITCH IT

It is a PIA.

> Alex


Sincerely - 
Your loving fan

Reuvain

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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

> > 
> You need to ditch this and ditch the export/save thingie
> 


This is worth repeaing because it seems that the developers are not
listening to the end users.  I've used the GIMP since its inception
and rarely make any complaints.  

But this is accross the board stupid.  You are cluttering up screen
space without any reason and without any benifit, not that there can be
any benifit.  

You don't need non-destructing cropping.  It is already remembered in
the most EXCELLENT history.  Don't listen to idiots because you're
bored and need to code.  Set this back to a sane setting.



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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 11:24:10AM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
gimp-user-list wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 5:21 AM Ruben Safir wrote:
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > I thought I asked this before, but I can't find any reference to the
> > previous email on any search engines... so here we go..
> >
> > Why is it that now when I crop the image that the canvas sticks out.
> > Why did you break this?
> 
> We did not break anything :) We added a non-destructive mode and
> enabled it by default.
> 
> >  Can you tell me the setting that returns the gimp to sanity?
> 
> Enabling the "Delete cropped pixels" checkbox in Crop tool's options
> restores the old destructive behavior
> 


NO - don't fool yourself.  YOU BROKE IT because some spaz can't learn to
use CTL Z

There is ZERO need for this and it obstructs the use of the software.



> All of that has been documented:
> 
> https://www.gimp.org/news/2020/06/11/gimp-2-10-20-released/#basic-non-destructive-cropping
> 

I was right, you broke it.

> We need to update the user manual though.
> 
You need to ditch this and ditch the export/save thingie



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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list]

I find tutorials of limited use. They usually use out of date versions, and
some are just plain wrong. Use them as rough guides only.

Cliff

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 4:50 AM Ofnuts via gimp-user-list <
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> On 17/10/2021 10:24, Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 5:21 AM Ruben Safir wrote:
> >> Hello
> >>
> >> I thought I asked this before, but I can't find any reference to the
> >> previous email on any search engines... so here we go..
> >>
> >> Why is it that now when I crop the image that the canvas sticks out.
> >> Why did you break this?
> > We did not break anything :)
>
> Only dozens of tutorials, and maybe  a few scripts...
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

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On 17/10/2021 10:24, Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list wrote:

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 5:21 AM Ruben Safir wrote:

Hello

I thought I asked this before, but I can't find any reference to the
previous email on any search engines... so here we go..

Why is it that now when I crop the image that the canvas sticks out.
Why did you break this?

We did not break anything :)


Only dozens of tutorials, and maybe  a few scripts...


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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

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On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 5:21 AM Ruben Safir wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> I thought I asked this before, but I can't find any reference to the
> previous email on any search engines... so here we go..
>
> Why is it that now when I crop the image that the canvas sticks out.
> Why did you break this?

We did not break anything :) We added a non-destructive mode and
enabled it by default.

>  Can you tell me the setting that returns the gimp to sanity?

Enabling the "Delete cropped pixels" checkbox in Crop tool's options
restores the old destructive behavior

All of that has been documented:

https://www.gimp.org/news/2020/06/11/gimp-2-10-20-released/#basic-non-destructive-cropping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CJA8RRLWuQ

We need to update the user manual though.

Alex
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