Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-08-04 Thread Marko Vukovic
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 2:47 AM, Diane depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have no intention of switching to W10 for quite a while!


​You have a whole year to decide...​



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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-08-04 Thread Jeff Grossman
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Marko Vukovic marko.vuko...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 2:47 AM, Diane depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have no intention of switching to W10 for quite a while!


 ​You have a whole year to decide...​


And, if you do take the plunge (which I did this past weekend) you have 30
days to revert back to your old OS.  Personally I think Windows 10 is
pretty nice.  So far it has been running pretty smoothly for me and the
upgrade was painless.

Jeff

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-08-02 Thread DEP/Dodo
I now have seen that this also was IE.  Now deleted.

*~Diane*


On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 11:41 PM, DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 However, the Google icon I have *on my desktop* doesn't have the MSN tab,
 nor does it have the 3 Chrome bars.  (See screen shot.)  So whose Google
 shortcut is this?


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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-08-02 Thread DEP/Dodo
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 1:07 AM, Marko Vukovic marko.vuko...@gmail.com
wrote:

 ​​

 On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 8:46 AM, DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here's that screen shot.


 ​This too is IE. If you click on the 'gear' icon, top-right, you will see
 an 'About Internet Explorer' menu item.​ My guess is IE 9.


​Yes, that's what I did (and all by myself!).  IE 11.​



 MSN.com is the default home page that ships with IE. You have probably
 just added www.google.com to the list in IE Internet Options.
 Google offers that when you visit www.google.com with IE:

 [image: Inline image 1]
 ​[image: Inline image 1]​

 ​Actually, I long ago changed the home page but not to www.google.com.
And there is only one URL in my list​.  Your first two screen shots are
foreign to me.  The third one is what I used to input my existing home page.

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-08-02 Thread Marko Vukovic
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 10:38 AM, DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually, I long ago changed the home page but not to www.google.com.
 And there is only one URL in my list​.  Your first two screen shots are
 foreign to me.  The third one is what I used to input my existing home page.


​The URL is probably in the shortcut. Point is, this is IE and not Chrome.​

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-08-02 Thread Marko Vukovic
​Just to add to the confusion, there is now also Microsoft's Edge browser.
This is what it looks like, in case you mistake it for Chromium 

[image: Inline image 1]

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-08-02 Thread Diane
Coincidentally, I only just heard about Edge on a radio computer show on 
Sat.  Is it replacing IE, or what?  Is it part of Windows 10?  Is it 
something I will have to use sooner or later?

(Can ignore this.  Just trying to figure out what the quote icon is for. 
  Apparently, it's for indenting.)


On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 1:56:06 AM UTC-7, Marko V wrote:

 ​Just to add to the confusion, there is now also Microsoft's Edge browser. 
 This is what it looks like, in case you mistake it for Chromium 

 [image: Inline image 1]


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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-08-02 Thread Jeff Grossman
Diane,
Yes, Edge is Microsoft's new browser which is replacing IE and available in
Windows 10.  Nothing says you will need to use it.  You can continue to use
your favorite browser, i.e. Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox, etc.

Jeff

On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 3:19 AM, Diane depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 Coincidentally, I only just heard about Edge on a radio computer show on
 Sat.  Is it replacing IE, or what?  Is it part of Windows 10?  Is it
 something I will have to use sooner or later?

 (Can ignore this.  Just trying to figure out what the quote icon is for.
 Apparently, it's for indenting.)


 On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 1:56:06 AM UTC-7, Marko V wrote:

 ​Just to add to the confusion, there is now also Microsoft's Edge
 browser. This is what it looks like, in case you mistake it for Chromium
 

 [image: Inline image 1]

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-08-01 Thread Marko Vukovic
On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 12:10 AM, DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wow, Marko!  What tells you that it is a shortcut to IE?  I can't tell!


​I can tell just by looking at it. ​This is IE for sure, probably v.9. Why
do you suppose it opens the MSN tab, hmm? If you were to click the gear
icon, you would see and 'About Internet Explorer' item at the bottom of
that menu.
[image: Inline image 1]
​Your blue and white Google shortcut is just an IE shortcut.​ Delete it if
you wish. While you're at it, remove the IE shortcut from the taskbar.


 Also, how do I get a Google shortcut for Chrome?  I wanted to do what you
 showed me for the Gmail icon in the taskbar, but those 3 Chrome bars are
 not available on the Google window.


​Those 3 bars are not there because you are in IE.

If you want the Google shortcut for Chrome, simply open Chrome and browse
to www.google.com, then click the 3 bars, More Tools​Add to taskbar. Check
'Open as window' if you wish to hide the URL bar.
You will end up with something like this:
​[image: Inline image 2]​


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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-31 Thread Marko Vukovic
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 2:58 AM, DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 As to your statement The blue and white Gmail icon (Gmail Offline) is
 essentially a shortcut to Chrome, opening a specific URL.​  The
 blue-and-white icon to which I was referring was the *Google icon*.


​Looking at your previous screenshot, the blue and white Google shortcut
you refer to is definitely a shortcut for IE, *not* Chrome.​

​[image: Inline image 1]​
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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-30 Thread Marko Vukovic
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:22 AM, DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 And I don't understand your explanation, Marko.  Chrome is opening Gmail
 and Chrome is opening itself?  But (Chrome) Google requires a password?


​Chrome is a web browser.

Gmail and Gmail Offline are web applications. You use a web browser to
view/run these.​ The blue and white Gmail icon (Gmail Offline) is
essentially a shortcut to Chrome, opening a specific URL.

[image: Inline image 1]

You can create shortcuts like these with any web page/web app. Simply open
the site you want, then click the options button (3 bars, top-right) then
'More toolsAdd to taskbar...'

As Chrome is a Google product, one can connect to one's Google account from
settings within Chrome itself. This allows Chrome to sync history, apps,
settings etc. across multiple devices.

​So, whether you open Chrome via it's own shortcut or any of the other
shortcuts, you are essentially signing in to your Google account via the
web browser and the session cookie is set, so whatever Google app (e.g.
Gmail) you open thereafter, your session will still be signed in.

​Make sense?​

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-30 Thread DEP/Dodo
As always, Kenneth, thank you for taking the time and having the patience
to explain and re-explain and then re-explain some more.  Good news--your
words made more sense to me because I had the opportunity to do more
experimenting prior to reading your post.  Please see more below in *blue*.

*~Diane*


On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Kenneth Ayers justkenn...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Diane,

 On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:08 AM, DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Kenneth Ayers justkenn...@gmail.com
 wrote:



 If you're taking a computer out of the house and that computer doesn't
 require you to enter a password when logging into your Google account then
 that's an issue.
 ​ *I have had no need to log into my Google account, yet have been able
 to access Gmail, Chrome browser, Google to search, etc. *​
 If the computer is stolen, you have zero protection.  Any computer you
 take with you should be requiring a password to login.
 ​  *And mine does.  Wait--are you still talking about a password for
 the Google account or a password to get into your computer? *


 If you're accessing Gmail then you're logged into your Google account.
 Think of it this way. From your laptop, do you have to type in any password
 to enter your Gmail account or do you just click on something to enter it?
 If you don't have to type in a password then neither would anyone else if
 you lost that laptop or it was stolen. So for a computer that you're taking
 with you out in public to someplace where it might get lost or stolen, make
 sure that a password is required to enter Google/Gmail.  If you have a
 password on the computer itself than that's better still but I think it
 safer to require a password on Google/Gmail too just in case someone gets a
 hold of your computer after you've already logged into the computer with
 the computer's password.

 *The computer I'd be taking out of the house has been trusted.  *


 I don't think I understand what you mean anymore when you say your
 computer has been trusted.
 ​ *It has been explained to me and I believe I have read it:  With regard
 to 2-step, when I opt to not require a verif. code on a particular
 computer, it is trusted.  I have also read the term registered.  My
 opinion is it is more trusted (my terminology) when both the account
 password and a verif code are required. *



​
  To me I've meant by that phrase that I'm telling Google that I don't want
 to have to enter a 2 step verification code anymore for that
 computer/browser.
 ​ *Agreed.  *​
 But that doesn't increase security for that computer, rather, if anything,
 it reduces security for that computer. By not requiring verification codes
 for that computer, I'm counting on my own ability to keep the computer out
 of the hands of a thief or hacker and I'm willing to forego the protection
 of 2 step verification just because I trust that I can protect it on my own
 and I'd like to not have to take the extra tedious step of entering a
 verification code.

 So if you would ever trust a computer (or decline having to enter
 verification codes) that should be on a computer that you have securely at
 home, not one that you take with you out in public.  That seems to be the
 opposite of what you say you're doing.



 *Therefore, a password would be required for me or anyone to login to my
 Google account.*​  *No verif. code would be required on that trusted
 computer.*
 *​  Can't recall to what I was referring.  I do understand if I am
 required to sign into my Google account, I will need my password.  *


 Not having to enter a verification code does NOT mean that you are forced
 to enter a password.
 ​ *I think we agree a person is forced to enter only a password to sign
 into a Google account if signed out.  That is a general requirement with or
 without 2-step.  *​
 Not having to enter a verification code only means that, if your account
 login requires a password, then you won't also have to provide the code.
 ​
 *This, to me, means if 2-step has been enabled but I opt to not require
 codes to sign into Google on a particular computer. *

   But if you have your password saved via cookies such as the stay signed
 in option then you won't have to enter a password in the first place.  If
 you're not having to enter a password because it appears that you're always
 logged in for some reason, then the verification code is irrelevant.
 ​  *Understood and agreed as dissected above.  If I'm mistaken, please
 advise!*



 *Both before and after enabling 2-step, I was required to provide my
 password to sign into the account.  I rarely had a need to do this.  And,
 then and now, I can turn on the computer and go right into Gmail w/o being
 required to sign into my account.  I *
 *essentially *
 *have repeated what I wrote above (#1 item)​.​  ​ ​*
 *Any​ and all repetition on my part is ​an effort to be clear.  *


 There's the risk. You can go right into Gmail without having to enter a
 password.  

Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-30 Thread Marko Vukovic
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 9:55 AM, DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't believe this and must run it by you.  I signed out and shut down
 this *computer* (desktop).  A couple of minutes later, I remembered I
 wanted to do one more thing.  So I turned on the computer again, clicked on
 the blue and white Google icon in my taskbar.  It is requiring me to sign
 into my account.  That would be okay except I can open my Gmail and Chrome
 and am signed into both.  *How can this be?*


​Not sure what you're saying here D. ​The blue and white icon is just
Chrome opening Gmail with offline support. There are different cookies for
that and the 'normal' online Gmail web app so therefore it is possible to
remain signed in to one but not the other.

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-29 Thread Skip Montanaro
Diane,

Congratulations on getting your two-step verification going. I can't
imagine how we'd have figured that out.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:17 PM, DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 I enabled 2-step via the computer I will be taking with me at times.  I
 made sure to trust that computer.  I understand that 2-step affects getting
 into my Chrome/Google account.  What I don't understand is I remain signed
 in to My Account (the cookies?) so that I can turn on the computer and
 immediately go into Gmail.  How is Gmail then protected by hackers and such?


I think it's mostly a compromise between convenience and security. I have
to log back into Google on occasion (most often, I suspect, when our cable
box gets a new IP address or I go somewhere with my laptop). I also have
two-step authentication enabled on PayPal and a couple other sites. It's
annoynig to always have to go through the two-step dance, but I'm willing
to put up with it for the extra security, especially for financial sites
like PayPal and sites I visit less frequently. Between Google itself,
Gmail, Google Groups, Google Docs, Picasa, and I don't know what all, it
would be a royal PITA to have to go through the two-step verification
process every time I visited a Google web property.

Skip

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-29 Thread Kenneth Ayers
Diane,

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:08 AM, DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Kenneth Ayers justkenn...@gmail.com
 wrote:



 If you're taking a computer out of the house and that computer doesn't
 require you to enter a password when logging into your Google account then
 that's an issue.
 ​ *I have had no need to log into my Google account, yet have been able
 to access Gmail, Chrome browser, Google to search, etc. *​
 If the computer is stolen, you have zero protection.  Any computer you
 take with you should be requiring a password to login.
 ​  *And mine does.  Wait--are you still talking about a password for the
 Google account or a password to get into your computer? *


If you're accessing Gmail then you're logged into your Google account.
Think of it this way. From your laptop, do you have to type in any password
to enter your Gmail account or do you just click on something to enter it?
If you don't have to type in a password then neither would anyone else if
you lost that laptop or it was stolen. So for a computer that you're taking
with you out in public to someplace where it might get lost or stolen, make
sure that a password is required to enter Google/Gmail.  If you have a
password on the computer itself than that's better still but I think it
safer to require a password on Google/Gmail too just in case someone gets a
hold of your computer after you've already logged into the computer with
the computer's password.

*The computer I'd be taking out of the house has been trusted.  *


I don't think I understand what you mean anymore when you say your computer
has been trusted.  To me I've meant by that phrase that I'm telling
Google that I don't want to have to enter a 2 step verification code
anymore for that computer/browser.  But that doesn't increase security for
that computer, rather, if anything, it reduces security for that computer.
By not requiring verification codes for that computer, I'm counting on my
own ability to keep the computer out of the hands of a thief or hacker and
I'm willing to forego the protection of 2 step verification just because I
trust that I can protect it on my own and I'd like to not have to take the
extra tedious step of entering a verification code.

So if you would ever trust a computer (or decline having to enter
verification codes) that should be on a computer that you have securely at
home, not one that you take with you out in public.  That seems to be the
opposite of what you say you're doing.



 *Therefore, a password would be required for me or anyone to login to my
 Google account.*​  *No verif. code would be required on that trusted
 computer. *


Not having to enter a verification code does NOT mean that you are forced
to enter a password.  Not having to enter a verification code only means
that, if your account login requires a password, then you won't also have
to provide the code.  But if you have your password saved via cookies such
as the stay signed in option then you won't have to enter a password in
the first place.  If you're not having to enter a password because it
appears that you're always logged in for some reason, then the verification
code is irrelevant.







 *Both before and after enabling 2-step, I was required to provide my
 password to sign into the account.  I rarely had a need to do this.  And,
 then and now, I can turn on the computer and go right into Gmail w/o being
 required to sign into my account.  I *
 *essentially *
 *have repeated what I wrote above (#1 item)​.​  ​ ​*
 *Any​ and all repetition on my part is ​an effort to be clear.  *


There's the risk. You can go right into Gmail without having to enter a
password.  If you can do it from that computer then so can anyone else who
gets a hold of your computer.

Whether you believe it or not, you're not having to enter a password
indicates that you're already logged into your Google/Gmail account.  I
understand that going to the account settings requires you to re-enter
your password.  It does that for all of us.  This is just an extra security
step to make sure that whoever is about to enter that area of Google from
which passwords can be changed really does know the password. So maybe the
thief who takes your laptop from you won't be able to access that part of
Google where your password can be changed but he doesn't need to change it
anyway if no password is required to get into your Gmail.  If you don't
want your emails and email contacts exposed to anyone who steals or finds
your laptop, you need to logout of Google/Gmail and disable the stay signed
in option when you next enter the password.  And not requiring verification
codes does not force you to enter a password.  You've already proved that
as you've trusted your computer but are still able to get into Gmail
without entering a password.





 *In repetitious summary:  If the trusted computer is stolen, the thief
 would have to know my password to get into my Google 

Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-29 Thread DEP/Dodo
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Kenneth Ayers justkenn...@gmail.com
wrote:



 On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 9:17 PM, DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 Now that 2 step is officially enabled, I have a few residual questions,
 some of which were discussed previously.  However, I can't bear to search
 through all the posts both here and on my earlier 2-step thread (sans the
 word graduation).

1. I enabled 2-step via the computer I will be taking with me at
times.  I made sure to trust that computer.  I understand that 2-step
affects getting into my Chrome/Google account.  What I don't understand is
I remain signed in to My Account (the cookies?) so that I can turn on the
computer and immediately go into Gmail.  How is Gmail then protected by
hackers and such?

 If you're taking a computer out of the house and that computer doesn't
 require you to enter a password when logging into your Google account then
 that's an issue.
 ​ *I have had no need to log into my Google account, yet have been able
 to access Gmail, Chrome browser, Google to search, etc. *​
 If the computer is stolen, you have zero protection.  Any computer you
 take with you should be requiring a password to login.
 ​  *And mine does.  Wait--are you still talking about a password for the
 Google account or a password to get into your computer? *



 *The computer I'd be taking out of the house has been trusted.  Therefore,
 a password would be required for me or anyone to login to my Google
 account.*​  *No verif. code would be required on that trusted computer.  *



 *Both before and after enabling 2-step, I was required to provide my
 password to sign into the account.  I rarely had a need to do this.  And,
 then and now, I can turn on the computer and go right into Gmail w/o being
 required to sign into my account.  I *
 *essentially *
 *have repeated what I wrote above (#1 item)​.​  ​ ​*
 *Any​ and all repetition on my part is ​an effort to be clear.  *



 *In repetitious summary:  If the trusted computer is stolen, the thief
 would have to know my password to get into my Google account.  However,
 he/she would have no problem going directly into Gmail as I apparently am
 always signed in.  In experimenting, I have signed out of the account,
 tried to open Gmail, had to sign in, and then I remain signed into the
 account.  The next time I open Gmail, no problem.  Please see next
 paragraph.*



 Only have the stay signed-in option enabled for a computer that you feel
 is secure, i.e, one that stays inside a locked house.
 ​  *I don't know how to enable stay signed in.  As I said, it's like a
 default setting.*​
   But even then, if someone breaks into your house and steals that
 computer and there's no password security on your account, then they'll
 be able to get into it. So there's a trade-off.  I don't require a
 password on the computer
 ​ *[Again, did you just switch to a password on your computer rather than
 a password to get into your Google account?]*​
 in my house because I think it's safe enough as I don't take it anywhere
 and I don't want the bother of always having to login, but if I'm robbed
 someday I'll probably regret that choice.
 ​  ​


 As for your having selected to not require verification codes on this
 computer that you take with you, I guess it's secure enough but ONLY if you
 have the password protection still.  If the computer is stolen and you
 don't require verification codes, then at least the password will prevent
 the thief from accessing the account.  The only risk is if the thief
 somehow also knows your password which would be very unlikely for just a
 random thief.  The 2 step verification is protection against someone who
 DOES know your password.

 So please be sure to turn off that stay signed-in option on your notebook
 ​ *(how??!!) *​
 or get to the bottom of finding out how it is that you don't need a
 password to login.
 ​  *I do need a password to login to my Google account.  Have seldom
 needed to get into my account until working with 2-step.*​


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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-28 Thread DEP/Dodo
Now that 2 step is officially enabled, I have a few residual questions,
some of which were discussed previously.  However, I can't bear to search
through all the posts both here and on my earlier 2-step thread (sans the
word graduation).

   1. I enabled 2-step via the computer I will be taking with me at times.
   I made sure to trust that computer.  I understand that 2-step affects
   getting into my Chrome/Google account.  What I don't understand is I remain
   signed in to My Account (the cookies?) so that I can turn on the computer
   and immediately go into Gmail.  How is Gmail then protected by hackers and
   such?
   2. I happen to be typing this via our desktop computer.  I have not
   opted to trust or untrust my account from this computer.  But it is
   behaving the same as the traveling computer that I expected to require my
   password.  With both computers, I do have to use my password to go into My
   Account.  On both computers, I remained signed in.  On both computers, I
   can go right into Gmail.   In short, I see no difference in using Gmail or
   going into My Account on either computer.  I see no difference in having
   enabled 2-step.  I, therefore, expect a third computer, our laptop, to
   behave accordingly.  I know that Marko discussed this or something similar
   but, again, I just don't want to search for that post.
   3. I have now seen references to a recovery phone and a backup
   phone.  They're not one and the same?  Now things get hazy again.  I input
   two different numbers for these somewhere in My Account.  The recovery #
   remains what it was, my husband's cell # because texting was required to
   receive codes.  But somewhere in My Account, I found the reference to a
   backup phone and input my dumbphone number on which I had texting turned
   off.  There was no option for voice call.  Tried it anyway and, of course,
   there was no call with a verification code.  So I've been trying to
   re-locate the so-called backup section to change the number back to my
   husband's cell.  In other words, I would think I shouldn't have two
   different phone #s for recovery or backup.  If I later can find these
   two designations, I will send screen shots.

I hope all this was clear.  Gotta go for now.

*~Diane*


On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 8:27 PM, DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 *YES!  *I went through the steps again, and it all worked  I have
 gone through such agony on this for about 2 weeks (2 threads)!  Look at all
 the posts!  I can only wonder why there wasn't some type of notification
 provided.  If not for you, Kenneth, I would still be in agony.  You have
 given me such a gift with this information!


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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-28 Thread DEP/Dodo
*YES!  *I went through the steps again, and it all worked  I have gone
through such agony on this for about 2 weeks (2 threads)!  Look at all the
posts!  I can only wonder why there wasn't some type of notification
provided.  If not for you, Kenneth, I would still be in agony.  You have
given me such a gift with this information!

*~Diane*


On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Kenneth Ayers justkenn...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Diane,

 On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 11:17 PM, DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 I envy you, Kenneth!

 ​
 As soon as I clicked next above, the screen advanced to step 2 and my
 phone rang. I entered the code given me by the robotic lady voice. She
 repeated the code just in case I hadn't heard it clearly the first time.


 I learned from a Google employee today that ATT was blocking voice calls
 placed from Google for 2 step verification between last Thursday and
 Monday.

 Is your home phone service provided by ATT?  If so, perhaps you can try
 the 2 step verification by voice call again.


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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-27 Thread DEP/Dodo
Woke up, couldn't go back to sleep, so here I am.  Just tried again to set
up phone number to receive verification code per the first two steps of
enabling 2-step.  Again got the message of having exceed the number of
allowed attempts and to try again later.  I thought this was later.

Kenneth, if you read this, I just responded to your post in the other
thread on this topic.

Bacl to bed.

*~D.*

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-27 Thread Kenneth Ayers
Diane,

When you didn't get the phone call, did you try clicking on that link in
step 2 which says Didn't get the code?

Also, can you think of any reason why the phone number you've identified in
step 1 couldn't get a phone call?  Does your home phone number have any
feature in place to block phone calls from unknown or anonymous callers
such as Do Not Disturb or Incoming Call Block?

Kenneth

On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 11:18 PM DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 I envy you, Kenneth!

 ​
 As soon as I clicked next above, the screen advanced to step 2 and my
 phone rang. I entered the code given me by the robotic lady voice. She
 repeated the code just in case I hadn't heard it clearly the first time.

 *~Diane*

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-27 Thread DEP/Dodo
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 11:36 PM, Kenneth Ayers justkenn...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Diane,

 When you didn't get the phone call, did you try clicking on that link in
 step 2 which says Didn't get the code?
 ​  *Yes, absolutely.*​

 Also, can you think of any reason why the phone number you've identified
 in step 1 couldn't get a phone call?  Does your home phone number have any
 feature in place to block phone calls from unknown or anonymous callers
 such as Do Not Disturb or Incoming Call Block?
 ​  *Good questions, but the answer is no. *​

 Kenneth

 On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 11:18 PM DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 I envy you, Kenneth!

 ​
 As soon as I clicked next above, the screen advanced to step 2 and my
 phone rang. I entered the code given me by the robotic lady voice. She
 repeated the code just in case I hadn't heard it clearly the first time.

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-27 Thread DEP/Dodo
Again, Marko, I am referring to the first two steps in the process of
enabling 2-step.  There are four steps to enabling.

*~Diane*

On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Marko Vukovic marko.vuko...@gmail.com
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 Diane, you must actually enable 2-step. You will then be signed out of
 your Google account. Once you sign in again with your password, you'll then
 be asked for a code. That's when your phone will ring.


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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-27 Thread Marko Vukovic
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 8:49 AM, DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 Again, Marko, I am referring to the first two steps in the process of
 enabling 2-step.  There are four steps to enabling.


​OK. Then I guess it can only be as Kenneth suggests, that perhaps you have
some call barring enabled on your landline.

I really do think you should get SMS re-enabled on your cellphone either
way.​

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-27 Thread Marko Vukovic
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 8:54 AM, DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 Marko, see steps 1 and 2 in setting up 2-step as I have said numerous
 times.


​How did you manage to 'trust' the computer (browser) if you cannot receive
the codes? Did you use a backup code?​

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-27 Thread DEP/Dodo
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Kenneth Ayers justkenn...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 11:46 PM DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 11:36 PM, Kenneth Ayers justkenn...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Diane,

 When you didn't get the phone call, did you try clicking on that link in
 step 2 which says Didn't get the code?

 ​  *Yes, absolutely.*​


 I may have missed it, but when you clicked on the Didn't get the code?
 link, what happened?  What does that link take you to or suggest that you
 do next?
 ​  *Another good question.  As I recall, I was stuck there.  No options
 or suggestions offered.  That is why I unwillingly went back to husband's
 cell number, which is also the recovery number.  It was right after that
 that I got the verif. code and the process continued.  After I verified the
 code that was sent is when the rest of the steps (#3 and #4) flew by, and
 suddenly 2-step was accomplished.*


*If you got notified by voice, Kenneth, there is no reason I shouldn't as
 well.  As I just told Marko, I have gotten codes for other situations on
 that landline.*​



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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-27 Thread DEP/Dodo
Good question.  That happened when 2-step was enabled in the strange way I
tried to describe several hours ago.  I failed to mention that I had gone
back to using my husband's cell #.  That was because I don't want to use it
*and* I figured that would only encourage people to tell me to give up and
just use it rather than what I want and should be able to use.  Google
specifically allows for a phone number *and* voice option.  I know several
of us have made screen shots of that part of set-up.

*~Diane*

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 ​How did you manage to 'trust' the computer (browser) if you cannot
 receive the codes? Did you use a backup code?​


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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-26 Thread Marko Vukovic
Sounds about right Kenneth.

Diane, you must actually enable 2-step. You will then be signed out of your
Google account. Once you sign in again with your password, you'll then be
asked for a code. That's when your phone will ring.

On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 at 21:40, Kenneth Ayers justkenn...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 11:49 AM Marko Vukovic marko.vuko...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hey Kenneth

 When I enabled 2-step, I was automatically signed out.


 That makes sense. But Diane is still able to post here and she hasn't
 received any codes, so she must not have enabled it yet.

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-26 Thread Kenneth Ayers
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 11:49 AM Marko Vukovic marko.vuko...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hey Kenneth

 When I enabled 2-step, I was automatically signed out.


That makes sense. But Diane is still able to post here and she hasn't
received any codes, so she must not have enabled it yet.

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-26 Thread Marko Vukovic
Hey Kenneth

When I enabled 2-step, I was automatically signed out.

On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 at 19:05, Kenneth Ayers justkenn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Diane,

 Remember the 2 step verification code will be sent when you attempt to
 login to your account. You can't login if you're already logged in and,
 from what you've described, it sounds like you're always logged in.  We've
 never discussed here how to logout of your account.

 So first logout of your account,  Next go to mail.google.com, or some
 other login entry point, and enter your username and password.  After you
 click enter or whatever the button says to submit that information, then
 you can expect the phone call.

 You won't get a phone call just because you turned on 2 step
 verification.  The phone call comes when logging in so it's an on-demand as
 needed event.

 Kenneth

 On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 7:03 AM Skip Montanaro skip.montan...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I don't know. I've only ever used the text message route. The only things
 I can think of to try:

 * See if it works using the text message scheme (I'm certain voice is
 much less frequently used, so might have more glitches). If so, switch back
 to voice.

 * Double check that you entered your phone number correctly (I know this
 sounds dumb, my apologies), including area code, just digits, no
 punctuation.

 I imagine others have mentioned this before, but voice to your landline
 is going to be kind of inconvenient when you're not at home. I read Gmail
 away from the house a lot (much to my wife's chagrin at times). I would at
 least set up text to your cell as an option, if possible.

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-26 Thread Skip Montanaro
I seem to recall also that when you enable two-step verification, Google
generates a list of ten backup codes which you can use (each just once)
should you be unable to do the two-step dance for some reason. You print
out that list and site it someplace safe.

If you didn't get that list, then you haven't actually enabled two-step
verification.

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-26 Thread DEP/Dodo
Kenneth:

I want to make sure we're talking about the same thing.  The verification
code I was trying to get on my home landline phone via voice is *Step 2 in
setting up 2-step verification*.  Had that been successful, I was going to
trust the computer for which I set up 2-step and then not require further
verifications codes when I logged on to my account.  Is that what you
understood?

*~Diane*

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wrote:

 Diane,

 Remember the 2 step verification code will be sent when you attempt to
 login to your account. You can't login if you're already logged in and,
 from what you've described, it sounds like you're always logged in.  We've
 never discussed here how to logout of your account.

 So first logout of your account,  Next go to mail.google.com, or some
 other login entry point, and enter your username and password.  After you
 click enter or whatever the button says to submit that information, then
 you can expect the phone call.

 You won't get a phone call just because you turned on 2 step
 verification.  The phone call comes when logging in so it's an on-demand as
 needed event.

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-26 Thread DEP/Dodo
Marko, that's precisely what I was trying to do:  enable 2-step.
Apparently, I was not automatically logged out as you were.  I recalled
your saying that was your experience in the other thread on 2-step.  And
you and Kenneth both are correct that I am signed in to my account.  I'll
see what happens when I try this after first signing out.

I see a new message coming in from you.  Want to read it before signing out.

*~Diane*






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 Sounds about right Kenneth.

 Diane, you must actually enable 2-step. You will then be signed out of
 your Google account. Once you sign in again with your password, you'll then
 be asked for a code. That's when your phone will ring.

 On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 at 21:40, Kenneth Ayers justkenn...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 11:49 AM Marko Vukovic marko.vuko...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hey Kenneth

 When I enabled 2-step, I was automatically signed out.


 That makes sense. But Diane is still able to post here and she hasn't
 received any codes, so she must not have enabled it yet.

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-26 Thread Zack (Doc)
Diane,

Here's the issue I see with this... I have never used two-step, so I
started trying.  The VERY first thing it did when I clicked the turn it on
button, was prompt for my password... ie, I was logged out... *THEN* it
asked for the number and how to do the verification.  You're acting like
that never happened, so we wonder, how you got to that step.

Also, I'll warn you having used the voice call option before, adding phones
to my google voice number... sometimes the computer starts talking before
you're easily listening.  I would really not depend on that method...
especially since the one box you should want to keep it on for, is mobile,
so when you're out at Starbucks, how can you sign in as it's calling your
house?



On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 9:09 PM, DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am repeating myself.  *I am trying to enable 2-step*.  The second step
 in doing so is to get a verification code before I can proceed to Step 3.
 That code isn't being received by voice on my landline phone as I
 requested.  You have said you were automatically signed out when you
 enabled 2-step verif. This hasn't happened to me because I can't enable
 2-step w/o Step 2 of the process.

 As I wrote a moment ago, I can first sign out as Kenneth mentioned and
 then try to set up 2-step, but I am confused by your statement that you
 were automatically signed out.  Was that before, during, or after enabling
 2-step?

 *~D.*

 *Please see comments in bold below.*


 On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Marko Vukovic marko.vuko...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Sounds about right Kenneth.

 Diane, you must actually enable 2-step. You will then be signed out of
 your Google account. Once you sign in again with your password, you'll then
 be asked for a code. That's when your phone will ring.
 ​  *Here's the confusion.  You say I must enable 2- step, which*​ *is
 what I tried to do.  And then, after enabling, I will be signed out?  That
 implies (to me) that I can enable 2-step while signed in.  *



 On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 at 21:40, Kenneth Ayers justkenn...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 11:49 AM Marko Vukovic marko.vuko...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hey Kenneth

 When I enabled 2-step, I was automatically signed out.


 That makes sense. But Diane is still able to post here and she hasn't
 received any codes, so she must not have enabled it yet.

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-26 Thread DEP/Dodo
Andy, I completely agree with you (yellow-highlighted below).  I have the
sense, among Marko, Kenneth, and me, that they are talking about *after* 2-step
has been set up.  I am talking about Step 2 (and Step 1, I now note) *of
the set-up process*:  Step 1 is to input which phone verif codes should be
sent to.  I made that my landline home phone, via voice call.  Step 2 . . .

*Wait!  Something has just happened.  I don't know how or why and hate
feeling confused like this, especially since I thought I was getting past
that state!  I wanted the Step 1 phone # to be my home phone via voice as I
just wrote.  But I didn't receive the code there (also tried last night).
Suddenly, somehow, I got a code that worked (that is, I verified it) from
the recovery phone number I had input in my Google account info.*

*What I want now--help, anyone!--is (1) to have that landline phone # be
the default # for receiving verif. codes if I choose to untrust a
computer and (2) to have the phone number by which I just verified whatever
I verified be my recovery phone number.  I don't know about being
automatically signed out as Marko mentioned; in fact, I am now going to try
to figure out how to do the two foregoing actions on my own.  I think I
successfully trusted the computer I wanted to trust and anow want to see
what happens when I sign off Gmail, the only Google thing I have open, and
then sign in again.*

*I know there are messages I haven't gotten to, but this just happened.
Again, I have no idea how I enabled 2-step except it involved my recovery
phone number (which is actually my husband's cellphone which has texting.
Also again, I want verifs. (if I choose to untrust a computer) to go to my
landline # via voice.*

*To be continued . . .*

*~Diane*



On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Andrew Ingraham andrew.ingra...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 9:09 PM, DEP/Dodo depfah...@gmail.com wrote:


 As I wrote a moment ago, I can first sign out as Kenneth mentioned and
 then try to set up 2-step,
 ​...


 ​I don't use 2-Step Verification.  But I am pretty sure (if not absolutely
 certain) that you *must* be logged in when you enable it.​  There is no
 way you could enable it if you are not logged in to your account.

 Think about it.  If you are logged out, Google doesn't know who you are.
  (You might as well be the dog in the New Yorker cartoon.)  How could you
 possibly do something that affects *your* account unless Google knows who
 *you* are?

 Andy


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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-26 Thread Marko Vukovic
That is an option, available from the 2-step settings page. I posted a
screenshot previously in this thread.

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 at 02:12, Skip Montanaro skip.montan...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I seem to recall also that when you enable two-step verification, Google
 generates a list of ten backup codes which you can use (each just once)
 should you be unable to do the two-step dance for some reason. You print
 out that list and site it someplace safe.

 If you didn't get that list, then you haven't actually enabled two-step
 verification.

 Skip

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Re: [Gmail-Users] 2-Step Verification Graduation Day

2015-07-26 Thread DEP/Dodo
Thank you for your reply, Skip.  In another related thread, I explained I
don't have or want a smartphone at this time.

This was the only time I was going to seek a verification code.
Subsequently, I was going to trust the particular computer for which I want
to enable 2-step verif.

*~Diane*

On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Skip Montanaro skip.montan...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I don't know. I've only ever used the text message route. The only things
 I can think of to try:

 * See if it works using the text message scheme (I'm certain voice is much
 less frequently used, so might have more glitches). If so, switch back to
 voice.

 * Double check that you entered your phone number correctly (I know this
 sounds dumb, my apologies), including area code, just digits, no
 punctuation.

 I imagine others have mentioned this before, but voice to your landline is
 going to be kind of inconvenient when you're not at home. I read Gmail away
 from the house a lot (much to my wife's chagrin at times). I would at least
 set up text to your cell as an option, if possible.

 Skip Montanaro

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