Re: [gmx-users] Gromacs parellal run:: getting difference in two trajectories

2008-09-12 Thread vivek sharma
Hi Carsten,
Thanks for your reply. Actually I am running MD simulation on a protein
molecule with 270 residues(2687 atoms), after adding water it is having
45599 atoms, and using the recent version of gromacs test available from
gromacs.org (gmxtest-3.3.3.tgz)
Following are the entries from the .mdp file I am using.

**md.mdp
title   = trp_drg MD
cpp = /lib/cpp ; location of cpp on SGI
constraints = all-bonds
integrator  = md
dt  = 0.002 ; ps !
nsteps  = 25000 ; total 50 ps.
nstcomm = 1
nstxout = 2500 ; output coordinates every 5.0 ps
nstvout = 0
nstfout = 0
nstlist = 5
ns_type = grid
rlist   = 0.9
coulombtype = PME
rcoulomb= 0.9
rvdw= 1.4
fourierspacing  = 0.12
fourier_nx= 0
fourier_ny= 0
fourier_nz= 0
pme_order = 6
ewald_rtol= 1e-5
optimize_fft  = yes
; Berendsen temperature coupling is on in four groups
Tcoupl= berendsen
tau_t = 0.1 0.1   0.1
tc-grps   = protein NDP   sol
ref_t = 300 300   300
; Pressure coupling is on
Pcoupl  = berendsen
pcoupltype  = isotropic
tau_p   = 0.5
compressibility = 4.5e-5
ref_p   = 1.0
; Generate velocites is on at 300 K.
gen_vel = yes
gen_temp= 300.0
gen_seed= 173529



and Following are the commands I am using
grompp_d -np 128 -f md1.mdp -c 1XU9_A_b4em.gro -p 1XU9_A.top -o
1XU9_A_md1_np128.tpr

submit
mdrun_d
/arguement for mdrun_d
-s 1XU9_A_md1_np128.tpr -o 1XU9_A_md1_np128.trr -c 1XU9_A_pmd1_np128.gro -g
md_np128.log -e md_np128.edr -np 128

***Following is the error I am getting
Reading file 1XU9_A_md1_np128.tpr, VERSION 3.3.3 (double precision)
starting mdrun 'CORTICOSTEROID 11-BETA-DEHYDROGENASE, ISOZYME 1'
25000 steps, 50.0 ps.

srun: error: n141: task1: Segmentation fault
srun: Terminating job


Is this information is helpfull in figuring out the problem.
Please, advice

With Thanks,
Vivek

2008/9/11 Carsten Kutzner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 vivek sharma wrote:

 Hi There,
 I am running gromacs parellal version on cluster, with different -np
 options.

 Hi,

 which version of gromacs exactly are you using?






  On analyzing the 5 nsec trajectory using ngmx, I am finding difference in
 the trajectory of two similar runs (only thing varying in two runs in -np
 i.e 20 and 64 ), where mdp file and input files are same in two cases.
 I am wondering why I am getting this difference in two trajectories ?
 I am looking for the advice whether I did something wrong or what may be
 the probable reason for this difference.


 There are many reasons why a parallel run does not yield binary identical
 results to a run with another number of processors, even if you start from
 the same tpr file. If you use PME, then the FFTW could pick a slightly
 different algorithm (it will select the fastest for that number of
 processors.
 This feature you can turn off by passing --disable-fftw-measure to the
 gromacs configure script). But still you can get results that are not
 binary identical if you do FFTs on a varying number of CPUs. Also, for
 limited accuracy which is inherent to any computer, additions need not
 be associative, which can show up in parallel additions.

 Generally, if you run in double precision, these effects will be way
 smaller,
 but nevertheless you won't get binary identical results. This will in all
 cases lead to trajectories which slowly diverge from each other. However,
 in the fist few hundred time steps, you should not see any difference in
 the first couple of decimals of the variables (positions, velocities,
 energies ...)

  Also, I am not able to run gromacs faster by increasing the -np issue,


 Please provide the exact command line you used.

  Is there any max limit for scaling gromacs on parellal cluster ?


 Yes, depending on your MD system and on the cluster you use :)

 Carsten


  With Thanks,
 Vivek


 

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Re: [gmx-users] Gromacs parellal run:: getting difference in two trajectories

2008-09-12 Thread vivek sharma
Sorry, I forgot to mention that one cofactor NDP, I added in my molecule
using PRODRG server.

2008/9/12 vivek sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Hi Carsten,
 Thanks for your reply. Actually I am running MD simulation on a protein
 molecule with 270 residues(2687 atoms), after adding water it is having
 45599 atoms, and using the recent version of gromacs test available from
 gromacs.org (gmxtest-3.3.3.tgz)
 Following are the entries from the .mdp file I am using.

 **md.mdp
 title   = trp_drg MD
 cpp = /lib/cpp ; location of cpp on SGI
 constraints = all-bonds
 integrator  = md
 dt  = 0.002 ; ps !
 nsteps  = 25000 ; total 50 ps.
 nstcomm = 1
 nstxout = 2500 ; output coordinates every 5.0 ps
 nstvout = 0
 nstfout = 0
 nstlist = 5
 ns_type = grid
 rlist   = 0.9
 coulombtype = PME
 rcoulomb= 0.9
 rvdw= 1.4
 fourierspacing  = 0.12
 fourier_nx= 0
 fourier_ny= 0
 fourier_nz= 0
 pme_order = 6
 ewald_rtol= 1e-5
 optimize_fft  = yes
 ; Berendsen temperature coupling is on in four groups
 Tcoupl= berendsen
 tau_t = 0.1 0.1   0.1
 tc-grps   = protein NDP   sol
 ref_t = 300 300   300
 ; Pressure coupling is on
 Pcoupl  = berendsen
 pcoupltype  = isotropic
 tau_p   = 0.5
 compressibility = 4.5e-5
 ref_p   = 1.0
 ; Generate velocites is on at 300 K.
 gen_vel = yes
 gen_temp= 300.0
 gen_seed= 173529



 and Following are the commands I am using
 grompp_d -np 128 -f md1.mdp -c 1XU9_A_b4em.gro -p 1XU9_A.top -o
 1XU9_A_md1_np128.tpr

 submit
 mdrun_d
 /arguement for mdrun_d
 -s 1XU9_A_md1_np128.tpr -o 1XU9_A_md1_np128.trr -c 1XU9_A_pmd1_np128.gro -g
 md_np128.log -e md_np128.edr -np 128

 ***Following is the error I am getting
 Reading file 1XU9_A_md1_np128.tpr, VERSION 3.3.3 (double precision)
 starting mdrun 'CORTICOSTEROID 11-BETA-DEHYDROGENASE, ISOZYME 1'
 25000 steps, 50.0 ps.

 srun: error: n141: task1: Segmentation fault
 srun: Terminating job

 
 Is this information is helpfull in figuring out the problem.
 Please, advice

 With Thanks,
 Vivek

 2008/9/11 Carsten Kutzner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 vivek sharma wrote:

 Hi There,
 I am running gromacs parellal version on cluster, with different -np
 options.

 Hi,

 which version of gromacs exactly are you using?






  On analyzing the 5 nsec trajectory using ngmx, I am finding difference in
 the trajectory of two similar runs (only thing varying in two runs in -np
 i.e 20 and 64 ), where mdp file and input files are same in two cases.
 I am wondering why I am getting this difference in two trajectories ?
 I am looking for the advice whether I did something wrong or what may be
 the probable reason for this difference.


 There are many reasons why a parallel run does not yield binary identical
 results to a run with another number of processors, even if you start from
 the same tpr file. If you use PME, then the FFTW could pick a slightly
 different algorithm (it will select the fastest for that number of
 processors.
 This feature you can turn off by passing --disable-fftw-measure to the
 gromacs configure script). But still you can get results that are not
 binary identical if you do FFTs on a varying number of CPUs. Also, for
 limited accuracy which is inherent to any computer, additions need not
 be associative, which can show up in parallel additions.

 Generally, if you run in double precision, these effects will be way
 smaller,
 but nevertheless you won't get binary identical results. This will in all
 cases lead to trajectories which slowly diverge from each other. However,
 in the fist few hundred time steps, you should not see any difference in
 the first couple of decimals of the variables (positions, velocities,
 energies ...)

  Also, I am not able to run gromacs faster by increasing the -np issue,


 Please provide the exact command line you used.

  Is there any max limit for scaling gromacs on parellal cluster ?


 Yes, depending on your MD system and on the cluster you use :)

 Carsten


  With Thanks,
 Vivek


 

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[gmx-users] question regarding genion

2008-09-12 Thread sarbani chattopadhyay
  Hi everybody,
  I want to place my counterions close to the charged amino 
acids. I am aware of 
the fact that even if the counterions are randomly added yet they will 
eventually settle during 
equlibration. But still I will like to start with a structure that has 
counterions close to charged 
residues. 
I have been going through the archive and the manual but I could not figure out 
how to 
disable the default option of -random while using the genion command.

Can anyone guide me through the command that is required to add counterions 
based on 
potential so that the counterions are closed to the charged residues?

Thanks  in advance
Sarbani 
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Re: [gmx-users] Gromacs parellal run:: getting difference in two trajectories

2008-09-12 Thread Carsten Kutzner

Hi Vivek,

I think I'm a bit lost now. We were originally talking about differences
in trajectories but from the mail you just sent I can see that you have
a segmentation fault, which is another problem.

I can only suggest that if you want to make use of 128 processors you
should download the CVS version of gromacs or wait until the 4.0
is out. Since in gromacs 3.3.x the protein has to reside as a whole
on one of the processors, this very likely limits your scaling.

Also, on 128 processors you will get a PME grid of 128x128xSomething
(since nx and ny have to be divisible by the number of CPUs) which is
probably way bigger than it needs to be (how big is it for a single
CPU?). Together with a PME order of 6 this leads to a large overlap
in the charge grid, which has to be communicated among the processors.
PME order 4 will be better suited for such a high parallelization, but
in general for Gromacs 3.x you should have at least a few thousand atoms
per  processor, less than 1000 won't give you decent scaling at all.

Carsten

vivek sharma wrote:

Hi Carsten,
Thanks for your reply. Actually I am running MD simulation on a protein 
molecule with 270 residues(2687 atoms), after adding water it is having 
45599 atoms, and using the recent version of gromacs test available from 
gromacs.org http://gromacs.org (gmxtest-3.3.3.tgz)

Following are the entries from the .mdp file I am using.

**md.mdp
title   = trp_drg MD
cpp = /lib/cpp ; location of cpp on SGI
constraints = all-bonds
integrator  = md
dt  = 0.002 ; ps !
nsteps  = 25000 ; total 50 ps.
nstcomm = 1
nstxout = 2500 ; output coordinates every 5.0 ps
nstvout = 0
nstfout = 0
nstlist = 5
ns_type = grid
rlist   = 0.9
coulombtype = PME
rcoulomb= 0.9
rvdw= 1.4
fourierspacing  = 0.12
fourier_nx= 0
fourier_ny= 0
fourier_nz= 0
pme_order = 6
ewald_rtol= 1e-5
optimize_fft  = yes
; Berendsen temperature coupling is on in four groups
Tcoupl= berendsen
tau_t = 0.1 0.1   0.1
tc-grps   = protein NDP   sol
ref_t = 300 300   300
; Pressure coupling is on
Pcoupl  = berendsen
pcoupltype  = isotropic
tau_p   = 0.5
compressibility = 4.5e-5
ref_p   = 1.0
; Generate velocites is on at 300 K.
gen_vel = yes
gen_temp= 300.0
gen_seed= 173529
 



and Following are the commands I am using
grompp_d -np 128 -f md1.mdp -c 1XU9_A_b4em.gro -p 1XU9_A.top -o 
1XU9_A_md1_np128.tpr


submit
mdrun_d
/arguement for mdrun_d
-s 1XU9_A_md1_np128.tpr -o 1XU9_A_md1_np128.trr -c 1XU9_A_pmd1_np128.gro 
-g md_np128.log -e md_np128.edr -np 128


***Following is the error I am getting
Reading file 1XU9_A_md1_np128.tpr, VERSION 3.3.3 (double precision)
starting mdrun 'CORTICOSTEROID 11-BETA-DEHYDROGENASE, ISOZYME 1'
25000 steps, 50.0 ps.

srun: error: n141: task1: Segmentation fault
srun: Terminating job


Is this information is helpfull in figuring out the problem.
Please, advice

With Thanks,
Vivek

2008/9/11 Carsten Kutzner [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

vivek sharma wrote:

Hi There,
I am running gromacs parellal version on cluster, with different
-np options.

Hi,

which version of gromacs exactly are you using?


 




On analyzing the 5 nsec trajectory using ngmx, I am finding
difference in the trajectory of two similar runs (only thing
varying in two runs in -np i.e 20 and 64 ), where mdp file and
input files are same in two cases.
I am wondering why I am getting this difference in two
trajectories ?
I am looking for the advice whether I did something wrong or
what may be the probable reason for this difference.


There are many reasons why a parallel run does not yield binary
identical
results to a run with another number of processors, even if you
start from
the same tpr file. If you use PME, then the FFTW could pick a slightly
different algorithm (it will select the fastest for that number of
processors.
This feature you can turn off by passing --disable-fftw-measure to the
gromacs configure script). But still you can get results that are not
binary identical if you do FFTs on a varying number of CPUs. Also, for
limited accuracy which is inherent to any computer, additions need not
be associative, which can show up in parallel additions.

Generally, if you run in double precision, these effects will be way
smaller,
but nevertheless you won't get binary identical results. This will
in all
cases lead to trajectories 

Re: [gmx-users] Gromacs parellal run:: getting difference in two trajectories

2008-09-12 Thread vivek sharma
HI Carsten,
Thanks again for reply. and my apologies for putting question out of
discussion.
actually I tried same command with -np 24 and -np 64, and for both cases i
got different trajectory (while analyzing them using ngmx).
Also Can you suggest me some tutorial or reference to get details of
scalability limitation of gromacs(on parellal enviournment).

With Thanks,
Vivek

2008/9/12 Carsten Kutzner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Hi Vivek,

 I think I'm a bit lost now. We were originally talking about differences
 in trajectories but from the mail you just sent I can see that you have
 a segmentation fault, which is another problem.

 I can only suggest that if you want to make use of 128 processors you
 should download the CVS version of gromacs or wait until the 4.0
 is out. Since in gromacs 3.3.x the protein has to reside as a whole
 on one of the processors, this very likely limits your scaling.

 Also, on 128 processors you will get a PME grid of 128x128xSomething
 (since nx and ny have to be divisible by the number of CPUs) which is
 probably way bigger than it needs to be (how big is it for a single
 CPU?). Together with a PME order of 6 this leads to a large overlap
 in the charge grid, which has to be communicated among the processors.
 PME order 4 will be better suited for such a high parallelization, but
 in general for Gromacs 3.x you should have at least a few thousand atoms
 per  processor, less than 1000 won't give you decent scaling at all.

 Carsten

 vivek sharma wrote:

 Hi Carsten,
 Thanks for your reply. Actually I am running MD simulation on a protein
 molecule with 270 residues(2687 atoms), after adding water it is having
 45599 atoms, and using the recent version of gromacs test available from
 gromacs.org http://gromacs.org (gmxtest-3.3.3.tgz)

 Following are the entries from the .mdp file I am using.

 **md.mdp
 title   = trp_drg MD
 cpp = /lib/cpp ; location of cpp on SGI
 constraints = all-bonds
 integrator  = md
 dt  = 0.002 ; ps !
 nsteps  = 25000 ; total 50 ps.
 nstcomm = 1
 nstxout = 2500 ; output coordinates every 5.0 ps
 nstvout = 0
 nstfout = 0
 nstlist = 5
 ns_type = grid
 rlist   = 0.9
 coulombtype = PME
 rcoulomb= 0.9
 rvdw= 1.4
 fourierspacing  = 0.12
 fourier_nx= 0
 fourier_ny= 0
 fourier_nz= 0
 pme_order = 6
 ewald_rtol= 1e-5
 optimize_fft  = yes
 ; Berendsen temperature coupling is on in four groups
 Tcoupl= berendsen
 tau_t = 0.1 0.1   0.1
 tc-grps   = protein NDP   sol
 ref_t = 300 300   300
 ; Pressure coupling is on
 Pcoupl  = berendsen
 pcoupltype  = isotropic
 tau_p   = 0.5
 compressibility = 4.5e-5
 ref_p   = 1.0
 ; Generate velocites is on at 300 K.
 gen_vel = yes
 gen_temp= 300.0
 gen_seed= 173529


 and Following are the commands I am using
 grompp_d -np 128 -f md1.mdp -c 1XU9_A_b4em.gro -p 1XU9_A.top -o
 1XU9_A_md1_np128.tpr

 submit
 mdrun_d
 /arguement for mdrun_d
 -s 1XU9_A_md1_np128.tpr -o 1XU9_A_md1_np128.trr -c 1XU9_A_pmd1_np128.gro
 -g md_np128.log -e md_np128.edr -np 128

 ***Following is the error I am getting
 Reading file 1XU9_A_md1_np128.tpr, VERSION 3.3.3 (double precision)
 starting mdrun 'CORTICOSTEROID 11-BETA-DEHYDROGENASE, ISOZYME 1'
 25000 steps, 50.0 ps.

 srun: error: n141: task1: Segmentation fault
 srun: Terminating job

 
 Is this information is helpfull in figuring out the problem.
 Please, advice

 With Thanks,
 Vivek

 2008/9/11 Carsten Kutzner [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


vivek sharma wrote:

Hi There,
I am running gromacs parellal version on cluster, with different
-np options.

Hi,

which version of gromacs exactly are you using?





On analyzing the 5 nsec trajectory using ngmx, I am finding
difference in the trajectory of two similar runs (only thing
varying in two runs in -np i.e 20 and 64 ), where mdp file and
input files are same in two cases.
I am wondering why I am getting this difference in two
trajectories ?
I am looking for the advice whether I did something wrong or
what may be the probable reason for this difference.


There are many reasons why a parallel run does not yield binary
identical
results to a run with another number of processors, even if you
start from
the same tpr file. If you use PME, then the FFTW could pick a slightly
different algorithm (it will select the fastest for that number of
processors.
This feature you can turn off by passing 

Re: [gmx-users] Gromacs parellal run:: getting difference in two trajectories

2008-09-12 Thread Carsten Kutzner

vivek sharma wrote:

HI Carsten,
Thanks again for reply. and my apologies for putting question out of 
discussion.
actually I tried same command with -np 24 and -np 64, and for both cases 
i got different trajectory (while analyzing them using ngmx).

If you look at a plot of your data, e.g. energies, they should slowly
diverge with time (start by looking at the first few hundred time steps).
This  behaviour I would expect to be ok. Long-term averages should not be
affected, while the variables at a certain point in time will be
completely uncorrelated after a while.

Also Can you suggest me some tutorial or reference to get details of 
scalability limitation of gromacs(on parellal enviournment).


There is a paper about gromacs scalability on Ethernet from which you
can draw some conclustions about the 3.3.x version. For higher processor
counts (np  32) check out the new gromacs 4.0 paper.

- Speeding up parallel GROMACS on high-latency networks, 2007, JCC, Vol 28, 12
- GROMACS 4: Algorithms for Highly Efficient, Load-Balanced, and Scalable 
Molecular
  Simulation, 2008, JCTC 4 (3)

Hope that helps,
  Carsten



With Thanks,
Vivek

2008/9/12 Carsten Kutzner [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi Vivek,

I think I'm a bit lost now. We were originally talking about differences
in trajectories but from the mail you just sent I can see that you have
a segmentation fault, which is another problem.

I can only suggest that if you want to make use of 128 processors you
should download the CVS version of gromacs or wait until the 4.0
is out. Since in gromacs 3.3.x the protein has to reside as a whole
on one of the processors, this very likely limits your scaling.

Also, on 128 processors you will get a PME grid of 128x128xSomething
(since nx and ny have to be divisible by the number of CPUs) which is
probably way bigger than it needs to be (how big is it for a single
CPU?). Together with a PME order of 6 this leads to a large overlap
in the charge grid, which has to be communicated among the processors.
PME order 4 will be better suited for such a high parallelization, but
in general for Gromacs 3.x you should have at least a few thousand atoms
per  processor, less than 1000 won't give you decent scaling at all.

Carsten

vivek sharma wrote:

Hi Carsten,
Thanks for your reply. Actually I am running MD simulation on a
protein molecule with 270 residues(2687 atoms), after adding
water it is having 45599 atoms, and using the recent version of
gromacs test available from gromacs.org http://gromacs.org
http://gromacs.org (gmxtest-3.3.3.tgz)

Following are the entries from the .mdp file I am using.

**md.mdp
title   = trp_drg MD
cpp = /lib/cpp ; location of cpp on SGI
constraints = all-bonds
integrator  = md
dt  = 0.002 ; ps !
nsteps  = 25000 ; total 50 ps.
nstcomm = 1
nstxout = 2500 ; output coordinates every 5.0 ps
nstvout = 0
nstfout = 0
nstlist = 5
ns_type = grid
rlist   = 0.9
coulombtype = PME
rcoulomb= 0.9
rvdw= 1.4
fourierspacing  = 0.12
fourier_nx= 0
fourier_ny= 0
fourier_nz= 0
pme_order = 6
ewald_rtol= 1e-5
optimize_fft  = yes
; Berendsen temperature coupling is on in four groups
Tcoupl= berendsen
tau_t = 0.1 0.1   0.1
tc-grps   = protein NDP   sol
ref_t = 300 300   300
; Pressure coupling is on
Pcoupl  = berendsen
pcoupltype  = isotropic
tau_p   = 0.5
compressibility = 4.5e-5
ref_p   = 1.0
; Generate velocites is on at 300 K.
gen_vel = yes
gen_temp= 300.0
gen_seed= 173529
 


and Following are the commands I am using
grompp_d -np 128 -f md1.mdp -c 1XU9_A_b4em.gro -p 1XU9_A.top -o
1XU9_A_md1_np128.tpr

submit
mdrun_d
/arguement for mdrun_d
-s 1XU9_A_md1_np128.tpr -o 1XU9_A_md1_np128.trr -c
1XU9_A_pmd1_np128.gro -g md_np128.log -e md_np128.edr -np 128

***Following is the error I am getting
Reading file 1XU9_A_md1_np128.tpr, VERSION 3.3.3 (double precision)
starting mdrun 'CORTICOSTEROID 11-BETA-DEHYDROGENASE, ISOZYME 1'
25000 steps, 50.0 ps.

srun: error: n141: task1: Segmentation fault
srun: Terminating job

   

Re: [gmx-users] question regarding genion

2008-09-12 Thread Vigneshwar Ramakrishnan
Hi Sarbani,

I think you should use genion -random no along with other options.

Thanks,
Vignesh

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:30 PM, sarbani chattopadhyay 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Hi everybody,
   I want to place my counterions close to the charged
 amino acids. I am aware of
 the fact that even if the counterions are randomly added yet they will
 eventually settle during
 equlibration. But still I will like to start with a structure that has
 counterions close to charged
 residues.
 I have been going through the archive and the manual but I could not figure
 out how to
 disable the default option of -random while using the genion command.

 Can anyone guide me through the command that is required to add counterions
 based on
 potential so that the counterions are closed to the charged residues?

 Thanks  in advance
 Sarbani


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Re: [gmx-users] extract protein and counter ions from trajectory

2008-09-12 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



sarbani chattopadhyay wrote:
 
Hi everybody,
I want to know is there any way to extract the 
coordinates of both the protein and
counterions from the trajectory while writing the pdb file ie. I don't 
want the water molecules

but only the protein and the counter ions.
I did not see that option wile trying to generate the pdb files.

Is there any way of doing this?


As with every Gromacs analysis (and processing) tool, you can create an index 
file that contains whatever combination of groups you want.


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Re: [gmx-users] extract protein and counter ions from trajectory

2008-09-12 Thread Martin Höfling
Am Freitag, 12. September 2008 schrieb sarbani chattopadhyay:

 I want to know is there any way to extract the
 coordinates of both the protein and counterions from the trajectory while
 writing the pdb file ie. I don't want the water molecules but only the
 protein and the counter ions.
  I did not see that option wile trying to generate the pdb files.
 Is there any way of doing this?

You can create an index file, containing a union of both groups and then 
provide this to trjconv.

Best
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Re: [gmx-users] the FF parameter sets

2008-09-12 Thread David van der Spoel

Chih-Ying Lin wrote:

Hi
I have to ask the same question again.

#define   ga_24   120  505
; H - N -  CH3. H, HC-6-ring, H-NT-CHn  90


I confuse with the comma ,  and  - 

please read my previous answer.



does it mean   ?
=H - N -  CH3 ( the angle between H - N - CH3, right?)
   H - N - H,
   H - N - (HC-6-ring)
   H - N - CHn 90
(HC-6-ring) - NT -CHn
CH3 - NT - CHn 90



Thank you
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[gmx-users] system couldn't be run

2008-09-12 Thread Morteza Khabiri
Dear

I make the solution box of organic solvent. It is homeogen and mixed
properly.
It also has a minimum energy. I put one protein in this solution. Before
put the protein in the solution I minimimized it also. Now I mixed 2
system which each of them are minimized. After put the protein in the
solution I try first to minimized it then run it but unfortunately it
crashed. I did not work at all. I also tried to run the system without
minimization but it also did not work at all. I changed mdp file (
eg,remove center of mass motion or decrease the temprature,..) but non of
them did work.

Thats very nice of you if you guid me what should i do?

Thanks

Morteza

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Re: [gmx-users] to add counter ions based on potential

2008-09-12 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



sarbani chattopadhyay wrote:
 
Hi everybody,
I want to add counter ions based on potential and 
not randomly.
I will be very grateful if anyone can guide me through the command 
genion for this.


I tried with -random no but it didn't work.


According to genion -h, you should use genion -norandom

-Justin



Thanks in advance
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Re: [gmx-users] to add counter ions based on potential

2008-09-12 Thread Jochen Hub
sarbani chattopadhyay wrote:
   
 Hi everybody,
 I want to add counter ions based on potential and not 
 randomly.
 I will be very grateful if anyone can guide me through the command genion 
 for this.

As far as I know, that has not been implemented yet. It is a good idea,
though.

Jochen



 
 I tried with -random no but it didn't work.
 
 Thanks in advance
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[gmx-users] the FF parameter sets

2008-09-12 Thread Chih-Ying Lin
Hi
I read your comment.

This is a comment line to the previous one.
The angle is between the three atoms mentioned. it is an index in
another array in the gROMOS96  files (not part of gromacs) .

But, I did not understand..





#define   ga_24   120  505
; H - N -  CH3. H, HC-6-ring, H-NT-CHn  90

I still confuse with the comma ,  and  - 

does it mean   ?
=H - N -  CH3 ( the angle between H - N - CH3, right?)
  H - N - H,
  H - N - (HC-6-ring)
  H - N - CHn
(HC-6-ring) - NT -CHn
CH3 - NT - CHn


thank you
Lin
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Re: [gmx-users] the FF parameter sets

2008-09-12 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Chih-Ying Lin wrote:


does it mean   ?
=H - N -  CH3 ( the angle between H - N - CH3, right?)
  H - N - H,
  H - N - (HC-6-ring)
  H - N - CHn
(HC-6-ring) - NT -CHn
CH3 - NT - CHn



The angles you have listed are correct.

-Justin




thank you
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Re: [gmx-users] to add counter ions based on potential

2008-09-12 Thread Allen Smith
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] (on 12 September 2008 15:25:38 +0200),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jochen Hub) wrote:
sarbani chattopadhyay wrote:
   
 Hi everybody,
 I want to add counter ions based on potential and not randomly.
 I will be very grateful if anyone can guide me through the command
genion for this.

As far as I know, that has not been implemented yet. It is a good idea,
though.

I've written a perl program to do this for a limited case (addition of +1
ions only, just with respect to proteins and NADPH (NDP), based on whole
charges); see http://cesario.rutgers.edu/easmith/research/ (under the perl
programs) for check.water.for.pos.ions.pl. This program actually takes a PDB
file with waters added - see add.water.for.ions.pl for one program with an
example in it for how to do this; the editconf mention in it is because
it's preferable to do this with a centered protein. It then tells you the
best places to replace oxygens from water with positive ions; you can then
translate the PDB file back into gromacs format (ideally after adding
hydrogens again with something like the Richardsons' reduce program).

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[gmx-users] doubt about the oplsaa topology

2008-09-12 Thread Serena Leone

Hello all,

I am trying to build the topology for an oligosaccharide to be used, 
together with a peptide, in a  simulation with oplsaa (apparently, from 
the discussions in the last days, this should be the best choice...). 
Now, I had a .top from prodrg that I previously modified and used, and 
I was starting rewriting on it the new .top for the oplsaa. After 
renaming all the atoms according to the ffoplsaa.atp, ( i will figure 
out later how to include the missing non polar Hs), i wanted to check 
that all the bonds in this molecule were described in the 
ffoplsaabon.itp (i have sulfate groups) BUT, when I opened the 
ffoplsaabon.itp, I noticed that the atom names don't correspond to the 
types described in the .atp (opls_n), but more likely to the names in 
any other gro force field. I'm confused... anybody can explain me this 
contradiction?


thanks a lot...

great day to all...

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[gmx-users] g_rotacf -normalize

2008-09-12 Thread rams rams
Dear users,

The default -normalize option in g_rotacf is set to yes. Does it mean that
the vector of interest is always be a unit vector ?

If so,  this has to be set to -nonormalize I suppose if one is interested
about the internal dynamics of a system. Please let me know whether I am
correct or not.

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Re: [gmx-users] doubt about the oplsaa topology

2008-09-12 Thread TJ Piggot
Check out ffoplsaanb.itp to see which name (opls_XXX) corresponds to which 
bond type (ie. what you are seeing in ffoplsaabon.itp)


Tom

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Hello all,

I am trying to build the topology for an oligosaccharide to be used,
together with a peptide, in a  simulation with oplsaa (apparently, from
the discussions in the last days, this should be the best choice...).
Now, I had a .top from prodrg that I previously modified and used, and I
was starting rewriting on it the new .top for the oplsaa. After renaming
all the atoms according to the ffoplsaa.atp, ( i will figure out later
how to include the missing non polar Hs), i wanted to check that all the
bonds in this molecule were described in the ffoplsaabon.itp (i have
sulfate groups) BUT, when I opened the ffoplsaabon.itp, I noticed that
the atom names don't correspond to the types described in the .atp
(opls_n), but more likely to the names in any other gro force field. I'm
confused... anybody can explain me this contradiction?

thanks a lot...

great day to all...

serena
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[tools-issues] [Issue 88888] OOo 3.0 release stoppers

2008-09-12 Thread blueice7
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