Re: Administrivia: Subject line tagging
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... But anyway, the List-Id header is guaranteed to be present and the same for all messages delivered through this mailing list. So, one should filter on that, and not anything else, to identify list mail. Of course, if one posts, one may expect to get some direct replies, some of which may also be sent to the list, and some not. The direct version *will not* have the List-Id header, so identifying mail *associated with* your list activity isn't quite that simple. Still, cluttering the Subject header seems like a bad idea. Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Filtering on List-Id (was Re: Administrivia: Subject line tagging)
There's another way to prevent two replies. Use an invalid email address. I wonder wh you even bother with this procmail rule as you're never going to get private replies from your postings on the list. On Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 09:11:09PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But anyway, the List-Id header is guaranteed to be present and the same for all messages delivered through this mailing list. So, one should filter on that, and not anything else, to identify list mail. This is a point worth taking note of. Filtering ONLY on list-id can fail. Often, a poster replies to both the list, and the original poster. In this case, the OP will normally receive two copies of the message: one from the list management software (with the expected List-Id header), and one which comes directly from the sender (which will NOT have the List-Id header). If you DON'T use procmail (or something else) to filter duplicate messages, you'll get two copies of the message. One will be properly filtered, and the other will not. If you DO use procmail to filter duplicates, you will only receive one copy of the message. You probably will first receive the message which comes directly from the sender, and thus it will not be filtered properly. This is the rule I use to filter all mail from the GNHLUG and BLU mailing lists into my Linux folder. It's not 100% perfect, but it fails (with false positives) only in extremely rare cases. :0 * (gnhlug|discuss)[EMAIL PROTECTED](gnhlug|blu) folders/Linux This matches on any header, any occurrence of the following: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...as well as a number of patters which are not official list addresses for either list, but which are very unlikely to occur anywhere else. Of course, if you're filtering only for gnhlug, you could pretty much eliminate false positives with this: * [EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED] I will also note for the record that the List-ID header for this list appears to have a small error... I think there's a '.' where the '@' should be. It may not be crucial, but if people expect to match on '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', it will fail. -- Derek D. Martinhttp://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0xDFBEAD02 -=-=-=-=- This message is posted from an invalid address. Replying to it will result in undeliverable mail. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank the spammers. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Somewhat OT: Small LED light suggestions
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:17:56 -0400 Travis Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is slightly related since most of us work on our own stuff, and a good light and something one needs now and then (I know Ben Scott has a few very blinding LED flashlights). I was looking for suggestions for a decent LED light that's fairly small (but the smaller the better). I would prefer something that can do red and/or white light. I did some poking around and there is a lot more then I expected so I thought I would check with you guys to see what you have all used. I've tried and used a number of them. I see from a quick check of the Web that the fancy ones have gotten a lot fancier. What I can contribute is that one of the smallest I've used, which also happens to be one of the brightest, was available hanging on the rack at County Store. (Dunno where you are, but it might help someone.) The little one is always in the pocket, and is great for peering inside a box to see DIP switches and that kind of thing, especially since you never have to be without it. -Bill Who thinks big ones are cool too, heh ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Somewhat OT: Small LED light suggestions
Bill Sconce wrote: I've tried and used a number of them. I see from a quick check of the Web that the fancy ones have gotten a lot fancier. One good reason for going to Hoss Traders is the guy there every year who seems to always have a good selection of LED lights and is usually in the building next to where GNHLUG has a table. Ed Lawson ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: MELBA Quarterly meeting announcement / advertising
Bill Sconce wrote: Seriously, there have been any number of meetings which people (read: me) might have sincerely desired to attend, but which were no longer possible by the time an announcement arrived a day or so before the event (or on the same day!). Or even the day AFTER a couple of times. I'm a member of a group that periodically has web get-togethers. The webmaster posts the schedule once a month. He sends out an announcement a week before for major events. He sends out a notice the day of (since it is an online thing, that's not too late). Then he sends out a notice when the event starts. It is alot of work since, AFAIK, he doesn't do any scripting. That is perfect for me. I can plan it in weeks ahead. I get a reminder that it is coming up in a few days and then a reminder that it is on that day. That is alot of work though. Just a notice a week in advance would be nice. I've seen several events I would have been interested in attending. (And I'm not generally an attending person.) But, a few hours notice, or even a day, just isn't enough time for me. -- Dan Jenkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Rastech Inc., Bedford, NH, USA --- 1-603-624-7272 *** Technical Support for over a Quarter Century ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Bit Torrent
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, Jerry Feldman wrote: On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:58:32 +0900 Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to download Fedora Core 2 test 2 today. But I didn't want it to take all day, and I didn't want to deal with finding a fast mirror. So I installed Bit Torrent. Interesting. I think that Bit Torrent is an excellent concept. Maybe we should plan to present it at a future BLU meeting. Indeed it is. I'd like to see it integrated into the web browser. I think that things that tend to cause net log-jams (just as a new kernel release) should FIRST be put on bittorrent. Can you imagine what bittorrent could do on a large lan, that had a small upstream? Say, some large university remote and poor enough to have a crappy Internet connection. Something to be aware of: the original bittorrent client got messy if it ran out of disk space. Bad error handling. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Bit Torrent
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, Jerry Feldman wrote: On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Bob Keyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you imagine what bittorrent could do on a large lan, that had a small upstream? Say, some large university remote and poor enough to have a crappy Internet connection. I think there is a double edged sword. Within a large LAN it makes the distribution of a software product more efficient, but once you start pushing stuff out of the LAN then you could wind up with a mess. Not really, here's why: BitTorret balances your upload and download bandwidth. But this is regardless of whether the peers you are exchanging data with are on your lan, or across the Internet. Therefore, a great portion of the upload a given client is doing, is within the local area and therefore not 'expensive'. The more people on the LAN, the more this is the case. It's conceivable you could do this on a more limited basis. For instance, if you and your neighbor were on the same LAN, say for instance connected in Ad-Hoc 802.11g mode, and had routes added to each other, and were both using bittorrent to get the same file, you are essentially aggregating your net connection AND getting 'credit' for it from bittorrent, in terms of the upload/download balance. Now imagine this on a city=wide free wireless network, such as the one we're building at BAWIA. And with 125MBPS becoming the new top-speed in 802.11, this could mean some real fun (note that I don't actually believe you'd get 125, but maybe half that...still damned nice) - maybe a minute to download a whole 650MB CD! Think of this in amounts of less than a CD, but where there is a large simulataneous demand, such as for patches..even microsoft's security updates would be quick. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: MELBA Quarterly meeting announcement / advertising
Unfortunately my wife is probably going to be out-of-town that day and I don't think bringing our 1-year old to the meeting would add much to the ability of everyone to pay attention to Greg. :-) I am VERY interested in this talk, however. I would first like to ask Greg if he objects to having the discussion video taped. Greg?? If not, I would next ask if there is anyone going already that may be able to record it for me (and some of the other people who can't attend but are interested)? If you have your own recorder that would be great, but if not I could probably coordinate to lend my camera tripod (just a wee bit nervous about the risk of accidental damage, of course). -Lawrence -Original Message- What : GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program) 2.0 Who : Greg Rundlett Date : Wed 28 Apr 2004 Time : Presentation at 7:30 PM (dinner starts around 6 PM) Place: Martha's Exchange, Nashua, NH ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: MELBA Quarterly meeting announcement / advertising
On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 13:19, Tilly, Lawrence wrote: I am VERY interested in this talk, however. I would first like to ask Greg if he objects to having the discussion video taped. Greg?? Here here! I, too am interested in this talk, but am otherwise occupied that evening. If a video tape can be made, count me on the list of folks that would like to borrow it afterward. -- Now I need a pint and a half hour of bzflag. -Eric on the BLU Mailing list Cole Tuininga Lead Developer Code Energy, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key ID: 0x43E5755D ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: [gnhlug-announce] Oh NO!, It is Hoss Traders again!
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 23:23:50 -0400 Jon maddog Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben, Ed, rea? Can I count on you again this year? Actually, I think I have shirked my duty last fall and maybe spring too. Anyway, I will around on Friday after 1PM and should be there Sat as well. I wander about since I need my biannual fix of radio junk. This year I will bring some bootable CDs based upon Knoppix which have many Ham Radio related applications set up and ready to go for demo and give away. I will bring an ISO so more can be made. With the CD, not sure we need a dedicated computer to demo ham programs, but will see what I can do on that front. The only issue is I am involved in setting up a station near Cannon to memorialize the Old Man's fall and that might make Sat. tricky. Still, I think Bruce is serving up something that afternoon and I would like to be there as well. Ed Lawson ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: [gnhlug-announce] Oh NO!, It is Hoss Traders again!
Oh, YES! Time for the Rites of Spring. STUFF! Derby Day! And it won't be raining this time. See you there. Let me know if there's anything I can bring. -Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Server/mail/naming setup theory
Dan Jenkins wrote: I've also configured my mail server at work to block incoming mail from adsl, cable, and dial-up IPs and host names. This is because all of the mail that we receive from those domains is spam. ;-) Including mine? And Derek's? (Of course, ours goes through the list before getting to you.) Well, this is at my day job. I have my own mail server at home where I get mail from GNHLUG. At work I block incoming connections from a list of domains. I maintain this list manually. I use exim, so it's a file using a wildcardlsearch. It matches on partial names, i.e *.client2.attbi.com. I also have a separate, smaller list of IP numbers. Something only gets added to these lists after it has been used to send us spam. It drops the connection at HELO with a message of 550 Access Denied. As I mentioned, I haven't found the time to set up anti-spam measures at home. When a machine connects to send us mail, our mail server does a reverse DNS look up on their IP. It ignores what is sent in the HELO, unless the other machine is sending our own IP or host name in the HELO, in which case the connection is rejected. Do you just verify that there is a reverse DNS? Or do you verify that the reverse matches the forward? I'm curious. It does a reverse lookup on the sending IP, and not what they give us in HELO. It also does a sender verify. Seems my rules aren't so stringent that machines with no host name get dropped. I've checked and mail gets through even if a reverse lookup fails. When I started trying to block spam that way a few years ago, I had to remove that as being too aggressive. I found that most reverse DNS didn't map to their forward hostname. I also found that, at that time, many mail servers had hostnames which didn't resolve, or had no reverse DNS. This was from companies like Kollsman Instrument, Fidelity Investments, PSNH, etc. Out of the 15 members of the board of directors of a non-profit whom I ran the mail server for, 11 of them were unable to send email after blocking spam that way. (Whether this is a comment on the actual content of the board is another matter. ;-) I had to drop that level of spam blocking for the board to communicate with the non-profit's CEO. It is always a trade-off between blocking spam or losing a potential sale or important email. Most of my clients are more concerned about the latter than the former - of course, while still complaining about spam. (I had a client who almost lost a $50,000 deal due to a single missed email.) When I first switched us to exim from sendmail, I forgot just how pedantic exim can be. We weren't getting mail from one of our vendors because their mail server had an illegal character in its name. Seems Microsoft allows one to configure host names that are illegal according to published standards for Internet naming conventions. I had to allow this character specifically in HELO in order for us to get their mail. Ironically, it's a company that does most of our networking, and their mail admin. fails to see that it's a problem that their mail server has an invalid host name. I've noticed that a lot of the ube software is very poorly written. Our mail server refuses a lot of connections on the simple basis of the client not following SMTP. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Administrivia: Subject line tagging
In a message dated: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:21:32 EDT Jason Stephenson said: I have a request that I'd like to put up for discussion. I think it would be very handy if subject lines of messages sent to/from the gnhglug lists were prepended with the list name in brackets. This would facilitate filtering of messages into appropriate mail folders without having to scan all the headers looking for the right bit of information. As it is now, messages to the discuss list could contain [EMAIL PROTECTED] or gnhlug-discuss@ or not even contain those if the message was a BCC. (Why you'd BCC to a list, I don't know, but you could.) This procmail recipe has been working on gnhlug mail for me for more than a decade with very few changes: :0 * ^(From|TO|Cc):.*(gnhlug) |rcvstore +Mlists/GNHLUG Note the distinct lack of a 'Subject' line search criteria. Seems that every weekend when I plan to do this, my wife comes up with some more important to do. Wives are like that :) I've got so many projects on my 'ToDo' list it's ridiculous. That's why I'm a sysadmin, I go to work to play with things I think would be fun to do at home ;) Anyway, I think that subject line tagging would be helpful. What do others think? Personally, I hate it. It adds a minimum of 8 characters to the subject line for absolutely no gain (at least to me). Also, I often read e-mail on my cell phone, which has a non-threaded mail client. It's really tough to tell which messages you want to read when you only have 6-10 characters for the subject line. To have every message with a subject of [ GNHLUG ] or worse, Re: [ GNHL would be a royal p.i.t.a. My vote (for what that's worth) is no. Thanks for asking though :) Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: [gnhlug-announce] Oh NO!, It is Hoss Traders again!
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, at 11:23pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hoss traders is at the Hopkinton Fair Groups in Hopkinton, New Hampshire, and this year will be held Friday, April 30th and Saturday, May 1st. I should be able to be there both Fri and Sat, with my usual collection of equipment, and a stack of CDs to burn to. I will also bring recent ISOs of Fedora Core, Whitebox Enterprise Linux, Debian, Knoppix, Mandrake, and maybe others. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
