Re: Passwords: does size matter, what characters?

2006-03-09 Thread Drew Van Zandt
> MySQL has a password() function that can do the hashing,

At least one of the common MySQL password hashing functions only cares
about the first 8 characters of the password; the rest can be
anything.  I prefer to use MD5 for the hashes.

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Re: Used Laptops (was Re: METROCAST BLOCKS RESIDENTIAL E-MAIL)

2006-03-09 Thread Jason Stephenson
I'm CCing my reply to the list because it sounds like Christopher meant 
for his question to go to the list.


Christopher Chisholm wrote:


I've been keeping my eyes out for an old laptop HD for a while.. I 
really want one of those USB 2.0 enclosures on a small drive, but the 
ones they sell are crazy over priced.  I just want something like 5 gigs 
or more for some music/work files.
Does anyone know of a good place to look for something like this?  I 
usually check e-bay the past few times I've looked there wasn't really 
anything very cheap.


I've not seen very good prices on laptop hard drives. They always cost 
more than 3.5" drives. About the only way to get them for cheap is to 
take them out of your old notebook when you get a new one, or if you put 
a bigger drive in your notebook.--I got mine when my old laptop stopped 
booting.


I found some decent USB 2.0 enclosures at CompUSA. They're by Norwood 
Micro, and look kind of like an iPod. They're white plastic with 
aluminum cooling fins. Also, unlike most of the other enclosures I've 
seen, they don't require a second USB power adaptor. It gets all its 
juice on the one USB line. I've been using it for over a week now with 
good results. They cost about $25.




thanks!

-chris



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Re: Used Laptops (was Re: METROCAST BLOCKS RESIDENTIAL E-MAIL)

2006-03-09 Thread Jason Stephenson

John Abreau wrote:


I've had good luck with eBay. I picked up an old Thinkpad there a few
years back for about $180, and it still works well today.



I thought of ebay, but I've not used my ebay id in about 6 years, and 
I'd rather not go that route.


I found a couple sites today that sell refurbished laptops and they even 
offer warranties. Www.usanotebook.com looked like a pretty good place to 
go online.


I think I'll do some looking around in the Salem (NH) area. I'll check 
out Microseconds and PCMax.


It's funny, in a way. For $700 dollars you can get a brand new, low-end 
notebook, or you can get a mid-range notebook that is one or two years 
old that has better specs than the brand new one.


I'm definitely going the used route this time around, as it is not going 
to be my primary computer system.


Cheers,
Jason
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Re: Used Laptops (was Re: METROCAST BLOCKS RESIDENTIAL E-MAIL)

2006-03-09 Thread Bill Ricker
> I've had good luck with eBay. I picked up an old Thinkpad there a few
> years back for about $180, and it still works well today.

TigerDirect has reconditioned IBM T23's for $500 -- used with some
protection and not a bad system.

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Re: Passwords: does size matter, what characters?

2006-03-09 Thread Jason Stephenson

Ted Roche wrote:
Designing a web site for a client, he asked what the general guidance  
was for passwords. Users are going to be logging into the site (just  
plain http initially, no banking info, SSNs or credit card numbers,  all 
that comes after SSL and first round financing). Looking around,  web 
sites I visit are all over the place and some are nonsensical (no  more 
than 8 characters), others require a minimum of five, six, some  allow 
alphanumeric but no punctuation. I usually throw in upper-,  lower-, 
numeric and a punctuation symbol or two. Is there some reason  to shy 
away from letting the user type whatever they want, assuming  you escape 
it properly in HTML and the destination database? Not  allowing them to 
use their login ID seems like a good minimal rule.

>
> Are there "commonly accepted guidelines?"
>

Let them enter what they like. I usually add punctuation to my passwords 
and have a little C program that outputs passwords of various lengths 
(the length is specified as a command line parameter). These passwords 
resemble line noise: ~mgMs;T!--I get frustrated with sites that won't 
accept punctuation.


It's not difficult if you remeber to encode and decode the strings 
properly. The browser should encode it when sending it over, so decoding 
 it properly is your main concern.


I actually store my passwords for various web sites as plain text in a 
mysql database. I keep the passwords for my workstations and servers in 
a little notebook along with various notes about little admin tricks 
that I've picked up, etc. (Yes, I know, they aren't stored in the most 
secure manner, but I believe it is safe enough for my purposes.)


If you're storing these in a database for web site authentication 
purposes, then you'll probably want to store a hash of the password and 
not the actual password. This is "safer" in case your database/server 
gets hacked. To authenticate a user, you'd hash the password input and 
compare it to the hash in your database. MySQL has a password() function 
that can do the hashing, or you could use some SHA or MD5 algorithm.--I 
imagine PostgreSQL also has something like the password() function in 
MySQL, but I've never programmed with Postgres.


The other option is to use normal HTTP authentication and let htpasswd 
(if you're using Apache) manage the passwords for you.


Anyway, that's about all I can think of that you haven't mentioned. I 
wouldn't impose too many restrictions on their input, but I wouldn't 
allow Joes (the user name as the password), and would probably require a 
minimum of 6 characters. Other than that, I'd let them enter what they will.


Cheers,
Jason
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Re: Passwords: does size matter, what characters?

2006-03-09 Thread Bruce Dawson
Ted Roche wrote:
> Designing a web site for a client, he asked what the general guidance 
> was for passwords. Users are going to be logging into the site (just 
> plain http initially, no banking info, SSNs or credit card numbers,  all
> that comes after SSL and first round financing). Looking around,  web
> sites I visit are all over the place and some are nonsensical (no  more
> than 8 characters), others require a minimum of five, six, some  allow
> alphanumeric but no punctuation. I usually throw in upper-,  lower-,
> numeric and a punctuation symbol or two. Is there some reason  to shy
> away from letting the user type whatever they want, assuming  you escape
> it properly in HTML and the destination database? Not  allowing them to
> use their login ID seems like a good minimal rule.

I forget who, but someone once said that using SSL on a web site is like
using an armored car to take a message from someone living on a park
bench to someone living on the street.

That said, passwords are used more for authentication on most web sites
than as an encryption key. So the password policy is whatever the site's
customers is comfortable with.

If there's a detection mechanism on the site that will spot attempts to
gain access to an account (repeated failures, ...), then most sites will
simply disable the account after X failed entry attempts, and spit out a
message for the customer to physically present his/her-self at a branch
office - or to call a 800 number and enter some personally identifying
information. A lot of places feel you don't need rigorous passwords if
they have an automatic disabling mechanism in place.

> Are there "commonly accepted guidelines?"

Yes. There are at least a dozen guidelines ranging from 4 digits (used
by most ATM systems) to cryptokey generators.

The critical point is not password length, but authentication mechanism.
 What happens if an unauthorized user gets hold of the password? How
does the system tell if person A or person B is the fake?

In the consumer space, passwords are used more for "casual" protection
and "key splitting" (2 or more physically separate items are required
for authentication) than anything else.

--Bruce
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Re: Passwords: does size matter, what characters?

2006-03-09 Thread John Abreau

Ted Roche wrote:
Designing a web site for a client, he asked what the general guidance 
was for passwords. Users are going to be logging into the site (just 
plain http initially, no banking info, SSNs or credit card numbers, all 
that comes after SSL and first round financing). Looking around, web 
sites I visit are all over the place and some are nonsensical (no more 
than 8 characters), others require a minimum of five, six, some allow 
alphanumeric but no punctuation. I usually throw in upper-, lower-, 
numeric and a punctuation symbol or two. Is there some reason to shy 
away from letting the user type whatever they want, assuming you escape 
it properly in HTML and the destination database? Not allowing them to 
use their login ID seems like a good minimal rule.


Are there "commonly accepted guidelines?"



What I like to do is generate 16-character passwords with something like
gnome-password-generator, then store them on a usb flash key in
gpg-encrypted files tagged with --for-your-eyes-only. When I need to
look up a password, I run something like the following:

gpg --no-tty --quiet --batch --output - 2>/dev/null foo.gpg | more

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Re: Passwords: does size matter, what characters?

2006-03-09 Thread Ben Scott
On 3/9/06, Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are there "commonly accepted guidelines?"

  In a word, no.

  Best password guideline I've yet seen: "It should be easy for you to
remember, and hard for others to guess."  Of course, for some reason,
people seem think their name spelled backwards is "hard to guess". 
:-/

  Sarbanes-Oxley gets cited all the time in the name of password
strength requirements, but as near as I can tell, SOX doesn't even
*mention* passwords.1  It merely says that auditors should check for
internal security practices.

  I believe HIPPA is mostly the same as SOX in that department.

  Microsoft provides a particularly well-written guide on password security:

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/privacy/password.mspx

  Hope this helps,

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Passwords: does size matter, what characters?

2006-03-09 Thread Ted Roche
Designing a web site for a client, he asked what the general guidance  
was for passwords. Users are going to be logging into the site (just  
plain http initially, no banking info, SSNs or credit card numbers,  
all that comes after SSL and first round financing). Looking around,  
web sites I visit are all over the place and some are nonsensical (no  
more than 8 characters), others require a minimum of five, six, some  
allow alphanumeric but no punctuation. I usually throw in upper-,  
lower-, numeric and a punctuation symbol or two. Is there some reason  
to shy away from letting the user type whatever they want, assuming  
you escape it properly in HTML and the destination database? Not  
allowing them to use their login ID seems like a good minimal rule.


Are there "commonly accepted guidelines?"

Ted Roche
Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
http://www.tedroche.com


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Re: LinuxWorld Early Bird Discounts Extended to 10 March

2006-03-09 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Thursday 09 March 2006 4:52 pm, Bill McGonigle wrote:
> On Mar 6, 2006, at 14:43, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > I spoke to Jessica Camerato and I had faxed her the contact a week or
> > so
> > ago.
>
> She's had mails from me since the middle of February and a FAX'ed
> contract since the beginning of this week.  Assuming her FAX machine
> has toner, of course.
>
> There was some minimalist discussion about this on the gnhlug-org list.
It will be great to have a booth adjacent to GNHLUG again. 

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Re: LinuxWorld Early Bird Discounts Extended to 10 March

2006-03-09 Thread Bill McGonigle

On Mar 6, 2006, at 14:43, Jerry Feldman wrote:

I spoke to Jessica Camerato and I had faxed her the contact a week or 
so

ago.


She's had mails from me since the middle of February and a FAX'ed 
contract since the beginning of this week.  Assuming her FAX machine 
has toner, of course.


There was some minimalist discussion about this on the gnhlug-org list.

-Bill

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Re: Network testing and latency

2006-03-09 Thread Bill McGonigle


On Mar 7, 2006, at 16:08, Paul Lussier wrote:


We have a scenario where we've only ever tested our product
over high-speed LAN connections (100MB and GigE).  However, we have
some customers using it over T1 connections, so we need to start
testing this scenario.


I was going to implement nistnet for a client:

  http://www-x.antd.nist.gov/nistnet/

before their project got cut, but it was for that same purpose and 
looked like the right tool for the job.


-Bill

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Re: Web-based Project

2006-03-09 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 02:11:57PM -0500, Paul Lussier wrote:
> So, clearly what's needed is a complete website written entirely in AJAX ;)
> 
> crschmidt ought to be able whip something together for you fairly
> quickly in PHP ;)

Hey, I'm still employed for another couple weeks. I don't have free time
to be running off willy-nilly on your personal projects! :)

-- 
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Re: asset management tools?

2006-03-09 Thread Christopher Chisholm


I know eventually we plan to have user-defined asset reporting in our 
software, but it's not there yet.  I'll remember to send out an update 
when we eventually get it done :)


-chris


Neil Schelly wrote:

On Wednesday 01 March 2006 05:02 pm, Bill McGonigle wrote:
  

If you find a clear winner please report back - I see this wheel
reinvented repeatedly.



Unfortunately, I haven't found any clear winners by far.  It doesn't seem that 
any of the tools out there are specifically for managing an inventory.  
Perhaps I'll be another to reinvent the wheel again down the road.  Most of 
the implementations I've found are hindered by database structures where they 
just won't allow an arbitrary set of attributes for items in the inventory.  
I'd love to have found one that would work with just a small adjustment, but 
it's just not feasible without a ground-up implementation I guess.


Enetman was the closest I found to what I wanted, but only because it allowed 
a bunch of the attributes that I was looking for, though not all.  I could 
almost have made it work, but it kept making Firefox crash, so I just won't 
bother.

-Neil
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Re: asset management tools?

2006-03-09 Thread Neil Schelly
On Wednesday 01 March 2006 05:02 pm, Bill McGonigle wrote:
> If you find a clear winner please report back - I see this wheel
> reinvented repeatedly.

Unfortunately, I haven't found any clear winners by far.  It doesn't seem that 
any of the tools out there are specifically for managing an inventory.  
Perhaps I'll be another to reinvent the wheel again down the road.  Most of 
the implementations I've found are hindered by database structures where they 
just won't allow an arbitrary set of attributes for items in the inventory.  
I'd love to have found one that would work with just a small adjustment, but 
it's just not feasible without a ground-up implementation I guess.

Enetman was the closest I found to what I wanted, but only because it allowed 
a bunch of the attributes that I was looking for, though not all.  I could 
almost have made it work, but it kept making Firefox crash, so I just won't 
bother.
-Neil
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Re: Web-based Project

2006-03-09 Thread Paul Lussier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Hi All,
>
> My VP of Engineering has decided that he hates MS Project
> (yaho). What he wants is an internal web site where he can put
> in all of the project information and have the project
> plan/roadmap/timeline/gantt chart etc. viewable (not for edit) by
> everyone.  I have looked at a bunch of different tools out there, but
> all of them seem to be overkill. Only the author needs to be
> authenticated, everyone else should just be able to see the page. I
> don't need a complete collaboration suite with all of the bells and
> whistles. It's a very simple, very basic system. Does anyone have any
> suggestions on what a good tool for this is? What have others used?

So, clearly what's needed is a complete website written entirely in AJAX ;)

crschmidt ought to be able whip something together for you fairly
quickly in PHP ;)
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Seeya,
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Re: Web-based Project

2006-03-09 Thread Michael ODonnell


I've found this USENET group to be a good resource in the past:

   http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.project-management

Their FAQ was particularly good, though I haven't looked at that
group in approx 3 years.
 
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Re: Web-based Project

2006-03-09 Thread Bruce Dawson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> My VP of Engineering has decided that he hates MS Project (yaho). 
> What he wants is an internal web site where he can put in all of the project 
> information and have the project plan/roadmap/timeline/gantt chart etc. 
> viewable (not for edit) by everyone.  I have looked at a bunch of different 
> tools out there, but all of them seem to be overkill. Only the author needs 
> to be authenticated, everyone else should just be able to see the page. I 
> don't need a complete collaboration suite with all of the bells and whistles. 
> It's a very simple, very basic system. Does anyone have any suggestions on 
> what a good tool for this is? What have others used?

We've used dotproject (www.dotproject.net) with relative success over
the past 1.5 years.  It may be more than you want though, on the other
hand, the people who use it are pretty simple folk.

--Bruce
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Re: Web-based Project

2006-03-09 Thread Larry Cook

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What he wants is an internal web site where he can put in all of the 
project information and have the project plan/roadmap/timeline/gantt chart 
etc. viewable (not for edit) by everyone.


Since he will be the only one editing them, would an application that exports 
to HTML be an option?  Here are two that I've had on my ToInvestigate list for 
months now and just haven't gotten around to trying:


http://www.taskjuggler.org/
http://ganttproject.sourceforge.net/

Does anyone have opinions of or experiences with these?

Thanks,
Larry
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Re: Web-based Project

2006-03-09 Thread Kevin D. Clark

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> What he wants is an internal web site where he can
> put in all of the project information and have the project
> plan/roadmap/timeline/gantt chart etc. viewable (not for edit) by
> everyone.

DocPile might be what you are looking for:

http://freshmeat.net/projects/docpile/

Regards,

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Web-based Project

2006-03-09 Thread klussier
Hi All,

My VP of Engineering has decided that he hates MS Project (yaho). What 
he wants is an internal web site where he can put in all of the project 
information and have the project plan/roadmap/timeline/gantt chart etc. 
viewable (not for edit) by everyone.  I have looked at a bunch of different 
tools out there, but all of them seem to be overkill. Only the author needs to 
be authenticated, everyone else should just be able to see the page. I don't 
need a complete collaboration suite with all of the bells and whistles. It's a 
very simple, very basic system. Does anyone have any suggestions on what a good 
tool for this is? What have others used?

TIA,
Kenny
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Re: Used Laptops (was Re: METROCAST BLOCKS RESIDENTIAL E-MAIL)

2006-03-09 Thread John Abreau

Jason Stephenson wrote:

Ted Roche wrote:

At Monday's CentraLUG meeting, Steve Amsden was showing off LTSP. He  
said the laptops he was using were for sale in bulk for $240 each.  
Used beaters, and not cutting edge, but the prices are getting amazing!


Speaking of used laptops. My 6+ years old Compaq laptop stopped booting 
recently. After doing the usual perambulations and sacrifices, and it 
still not working, I yanked the hard drive and slapped that in a nice 
little USB case to carry about with me.


So, I'm in the market for an inexpensive laptop that works, and that 
would mostly work with Linux or FreeBSD.--If the crappy winmodem won't 
work, I won't care, so long as the hardware is still functional and it 
has working ethernet or PCCARD slot for my ethernet card.


I'm wondering if anyone knows of good sources for working, used laptops.


I've had good luck with eBay. I picked up an old Thinkpad there a few
years back for about $180, and it still works well today.

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