Re: Eee PC hands on?

2007-12-20 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:12:56 -0500
Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thad and his fellow borgs are of a completely different ilk than
 those with BT earpieces.  Thad and co. we true geeks, in it for the
 pure geekery of it all and love the adventure of pushing the envelope
 of the Human/Computer interface..  The BT earpiece droids do it
 because they think it's cool to show off that they have a phone that
 costs way too much, and has more features than they can possibly ever
 figure out how to use.

BT earpieces are now very cheap, and I just bought my wife a BT Moto
Razr for $0.0 (plus a 2 year contract). Cell service is expensive, but
I learned that it is worth it, from the days I was commuting to Nashua. 

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Re: Eee PC hands on?

2007-12-20 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:52:48 -0500
Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've heard it told it's a status symbol - it shows how important you  
 are that there are people who always need to get ahold of you.


I have a BT earpiece I rarely use, but I did use it when I was driving,
but now my car has BT. 95% of my calls are to SmarTraveler.  While my
commute is only 6 miles today, when I was in Marlborough, Littleton,
Ma, or Nashua, I used SmarTraveler to avoid major traffic hassles.
Before BT, I had a car kit. 

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Re: Phone Hands free

2007-12-20 Thread Tom Buskey
On Dec 19, 2007 3:19 PM, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

(Aside: I remember watching the original Star Trek, looking at
  Uhura's ear piece, and thinking That's so lame.  Nobody would ever
  want to walk around with something like that hanging out of their
  ear.  I guess I was wrong on that call.  Truth is stranger than
  fiction.)

 I said it then about Uhura, and I find myself saying it now about
 sales weenies.  And, as for the question, Why...  I still have not
 heard a good answer.


I use a wired earpiece in the car so I can keep my hands on the wheel when I
drive.  I've used it while running out of the car to get something  keep my
hands free.  It's nice to be able to do something  not have to wait for the
call to finish.

BT would mean I don't have that pesky wire hanging around.  I could see BT
headphones being useful instead of wired when I'm doing yardwork, mountain
biking and motorcycling.

I have something on the motorcycle called a Chatterbox.  It's an FRS radio
with a PTT and VOX microphone.  It's very useful when riding to communicate
to your riding partners.  It'd be nice to eliminate those pesky wires,
especially when I'm riding off road.

I could see it in a remote data center.  The tech in the center has the
BT/phone while using tools as someone else is talking them though it.

Of course, it can get out of hand.




 The other question I find myself asking is: Are you aware of how
 silly you look?  Of course, this time of year, with my wearing my
 Santa hat, I seldom get a response other than a quizical look implying
 I ought to see what *I* look like :)


A true geek doesn't care what the hell others think about how silly they
look. :-)
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An ingenious hack...

2007-12-20 Thread Paul Lussier

http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/ITAPPMONROBOT.aspx
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Re: Phone Hands free

2007-12-20 Thread Ben Scott
On Dec 20, 2007 9:14 AM, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ... original Star Trek, looking at Uhura's ear piece, ...

 I use a wired earpiece in the car so I can keep my hands on the wheel when I
 drive.

  Me too.  My current phone doesn't have BT, or I'd probably have
gotten one myself.  As you say, a true geek doesn't care.  I've
already got a PDA, a cell phone, and a Leatherman on my belt.  (At
least I can say I've never worn Spock ears.)  What amazes me is that
the mundanes are doing it, too.

On Dec 19, 2007 4:52 PM, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ... really important people have staff instead of earpieces.

  You're confusing important with wealthy.  ;-)

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[OT] Aaaarrrr! and best wishes

2007-12-20 Thread Michael ODonnell


 if only one person shows, s/he might be lonely

I'd think that somebody who could be described as s/he
would *never* be lonely...


P.S.  Actually, this posting is at *least* as on-topic as most
  of the other noise transmitted on this channel lately...

P.P.S.
  Season's Greetings and my earnest wish that you may all
  be touched by His Noodly Appendage in the coming year.
 
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Re: Meeting tonight; weather (was: Eee PC hands on?)

2007-12-20 Thread Ted Roche
Arc Riley wrote:
 Two of us new guys plan on going (unless they close the roads between
 Manchester and Nashua).
 
 ... so there shouldn't be just one person.  Though it'd be funny if we
 were the only ones :-P

That it would! Well, take good notes and let us know how the meeting
went. I'll probably still be clearing off roofs! (rooves?)

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Re: Phone Hands free

2007-12-20 Thread Dan Jenkins

Tom Buskey wrote:

I use a wired earpiece in the car so I can keep my hands on the wheel when I
drive.  I've used it while running out of the car to get something  keep my
hands free.  It's nice to be able to do something  not have to wait for the
call to finish.

BT would mean I don't have that pesky wire hanging around.  I could see BT
headphones being useful instead of wired when I'm doing yardwork, mountain
biking and motorcycling.

I could see it in a remote data center.  The tech in the center has the
BT/phone while using tools as someone else is talking them though it.

Of course, it can get out of hand.
  


For safety when driving, a hands-free kit is very important. Only not 
talking on the phone could be safer. (Or not driving at all, of course.)


We used wired headsets for a couple of years. We both kept catching the 
wires and tearing off the headset or phone. We purchased at least three 
wired headsets during that time, as we kept destroying them. One phone 
was held together by duct tape by the end. We only converted to BT 
headsets this last year when we got BT-capable phones. We would never 
switch back - dorky as the blinking blue headset looks. I'm geek, so 
that doesn't matter to me, but my business partner is definitely not 
geek. The benefits outweigh the appearance aspect for him.


I've had my business partner talk me to a destination, giving me street 
by street directions from Google Maps when I would otherwise have needed 
to either stop and view a map or, much worse, try to read a map while 
driving (haven't we all done that). He has also rerouted me around 
traffic/construction/weather blockages.


We have both used headsets when acting as remote techs. Making the 
phones hands-free made collaborative work possible that was inconvenient 
or impossible before. Making them wireless perfected it. As we have 
unlimited minutes between our phones, we can effectively work together 
while physically separate. We rarely are sitting at computers where IM 
would be feasible, and voice is more effective for us, so BT headsets 
have allowed us to greatly increase the amount of work we can get done 
without detriment to the immediate tasks at hand.


They are not status symbols whatsoever, but cost effective tools with 
safety benefits.


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Re: Website Development Question

2007-12-20 Thread Michael Costolo
On Dec 20, 2007 1:25 PM, Travis Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm working on a site for somebody that does promotion work at trade
 shows. As a result she wants to have a number of pictures on one of
 the sidebars on the site.

 I tried a few javascript apps and some flash apps that just didn't
 work the way I wanted. She wants them to change randomly on the page.
 The only other thing I can think of is to just have it pick them
 randomly when the page loads.

 Does anybody have any other suggestions or pointers?

 --
 Travis Roy
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I just googled javascript random image and got:
http://www.javascript-page.com/ranimage.html

I think that does what you're after.

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Re: Website Development Question

2007-12-20 Thread Travis Roy
 I just googled javascript random image and got:
 http://www.javascript-page.com/ranimage.html

 I think that does what you're after.


Actually, I tried that one. Worked great for one image, but when I
tried to do two images on one page with different times that the image
would switch (to give a semi-random effect), it fell apart and didn't
work. None of the images cycled at all.

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Re: Eee PC hands on?

2007-12-20 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Dec 20, 2007, at 07:36, Jerry Feldman wrote:

 I have a BT earpiece I rarely use, but I did use it when I was  
 driving,
 but now my car has BT.

Yeah, that's totally reasonable, we're talking about the folks who  
wear them in the shower.

-Bill

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Re: Website Development Question

2007-12-20 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Dec 20, 2007, at 13:25, Travis Roy wrote:

 She wants them to change randomly on the page.

When the page loads or after the page has loaded?

Javascript is probably the best solution for both, though you can  
manage server-side contrivances for both scenarios.  You can get  
callbacks from the javascript engine on a timed basis, for the latter  
case.

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Re: Phone Hands free

2007-12-20 Thread Ben Scott
On Dec 20, 2007 1:50 PM, Dan Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've had my business partner talk me to a destination ...

  Is his name Tom?  ;-)

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watching all activity on a file?

2007-12-20 Thread Bill McGonigle

Anybody know how I can say, Show me all filesystem activity  
involving filesystem item /foo/bar/baz ?

This is on ext3.

-Bill

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Re: watching all activity on a file?

2007-12-20 Thread Stephen Ryan

On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 14:25 -0500, Bill McGonigle wrote:
 Anybody know how I can say, Show me all filesystem activity  
 involving filesystem item /foo/bar/baz ?
 
 This is on ext3.

inotify / inotify-tools.

If you want to know from the shell or a scripting app, inotify-tools is
probably easier.  If you want to know inside some other application,
inotify is the low-level set of kernel functions that will give you more
information than you wanted to know.
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Re: watching all activity on a file?

2007-12-20 Thread Mark Komarinski
On 12/20/2007 02:25 PM, Bill McGonigle wrote:
 Anybody know how I can say, Show me all filesystem activity  
 involving filesystem item /foo/bar/baz ?
   
fuser will show all the users that are using a directory (use -m to 
specify it's a mounted filesystem).  So in your case:

fuser -vm /foo/bar/baz

That's not always accurate as it sometimes doesn't show things like NFS 
exports that are on that filesystem that prevent you from umounting it.

You can also use lsof to take a look at all the open files on the local 
system.

HTH

-Mark

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Re: watching all activity on a file?

2007-12-20 Thread Michael ODonnell


I've written code that used a facility called FAM,
which stands for something like File Access (or
Activity?  Alteration?)  Monitor.  There's also
dnotify, though that may have morphed into the
inotify tool mentioned previously.  FAM and dnotify
could monitor specific files as well as all files in
a directory.
 
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Re: watching all activity on a file?

2007-12-20 Thread Kevin D. Clark

Bill McGonigle writes:

 Anybody know how I can say, Show me all filesystem activity  
 involving filesystem item /foo/bar/baz ?

Try inotify or fam ...

Regards,

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Re: Eee PC hands on?

2007-12-20 Thread Bob King
On Dec 19, 2007 8:07 PM, Brian Karas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I've been wanting a Nokia n810 for a while, but all this talk of the Eee
 got
 me more interested.  So, I stopped by Micro Center at lunch today to
 pickup
 a 4GB eee.  Seems pretty cool so far, can't wait to void the warranty on
 it.


Latest from Asus is that putting in more RAM does NOT void the warranty:


http://www.google.com/url?sa=tct=rescd=10url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pchardwareforum.com%2FNews%2FEee_PC_Warranty_Update%2Fei=ZMpqR9msMoG-pgSRtphAusg=AFQjCNHJOcUidPcaJ8lwRUitNSZ03RoK0wsig2=92eOkPcp9AsEYHoBUDyvxQ

http://www.i4u.com/article13439.html

http://www.google.com/url?sa=tct=rescd=4url=http%3A%2F%2Fgizmodo.com%2Fgadgets%2Fgood-news%2Fasus-eee-pc-is-no-longer-voided-by-memory-upgrade-331714.phpei=ZMpqR9msMoG-pgSRtphAusg=AFQjCNEX7K1-tdwzX1LNb8Qcy2QU4AXBqQsig2=O9rhNhlEPoVivkTpQ1KY5A



Are you talking about something else?

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Re: Eee PC hands on?

2007-12-20 Thread Brian Karas
Yes, I was talking about something else, but nothing specific.  I just meant
voiding the warranty in a general sense.


On 12/20/07 3:05 PM, Bob King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Dec 19, 2007 8:07 PM, Brian Karas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I've been wanting a Nokia n810 for a while, but all this talk of the Eee got
 me more interested.  So, I stopped by Micro Center at lunch today to pickup
 a 4GB eee.  Seems pretty cool so far, can't wait to void the warranty on it.
 
 Latest from Asus is that putting in more RAM does NOT void the warranty:
 
 
 Are you talking about something else?
 
 


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BT Drones (was: Eee PC hands on?)

2007-12-20 Thread Bob King
On Dec 19, 2007 10:12 PM, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The BT earpiece droids do it
 because they think it's cool to show off that they have a phone that
 costs way too much, and has more features than they can possibly ever
 figure out how to use.


 I don't know about that... I just got a nice little enV phone for free
(with 2 yr contract) that has stereo bluetooth with music player that is
pretty sweet. The phones, like the headsets, have come down quite a bit
unless you really want a UMPC level smartphone. The keyboard is pretty good
for texting, and the battery life is much improved.

Let's hope so, and let's hope they also figure out how to make it less
 dorky! :)


Dorky is in the eye of the beholder.

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Re: Phone Hands free

2007-12-20 Thread Tom Buskey
Hahaha.
Not me.  I get lost walking back from the mailbox at home.  While using a
GPS.

On Dec 20, 2007 2:24 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Dec 20, 2007 1:50 PM, Dan Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I've had my business partner talk me to a destination ...

  Is his name Tom?  ;-)

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Re: Phone Hands free

2007-12-20 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Dec 20, 2007, at 14:24, Ben Scott wrote:

 On Dec 20, 2007 1:50 PM, Dan Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've had my business partner talk me to a destination ...

   Is his name Tom?  ;-)

First and last?

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Re: watching all activity on a file?

2007-12-20 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Dec 20, 2007, at 14:31, Stephen Ryan wrote:

 inotify / inotify-tools.

inotify looks like currently useful kernel facility.

inotify:
   is the replacement for dnotify
   needs a 2.6.8+ kernel

Get/build (if not in your repos):
   wget http://superb-east.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/inotify- 
tools/inotify-tools-3.12.tar.gz
   tar -zxvf inotify-tools-3.12.tar.gz
   cd inotify-tools-3.12
   ./configure --prefix=/usr/local  make  make check  make install

What does it do?:

for:

   mkdir ~/testdir
   ls -l ~/testdir/
   file ~/testdir/
   mv ~/testdir ~/nottestdir
   mv ~/nottestdir/ ~/testdir
   rmdir ~/testdir

#/usr/local/bin/inotifywatch ~/testdir/
   Establishing watches...
   Finished establishing watches, now collecting statistics.

   total  close_nowrite  open  move_self  delete_self  filename
   6  1  1 2  1/home/ 
bfccomputing/testdir/

#/usr/local/bin/inotifywait -m ~/testdir

   Setting up watches.
   Watches established.
   /home/bfccomputing/testdir/ OPEN,ISDIR
   /home/bfccomputing/testdir/ CLOSE_NOWRITE,CLOSE,ISDIR
   /home/bfccomputing/testdir/ MOVE_SELF
   /home/bfccomputing/testdir/ MOVE_SELF
   /home/bfccomputing/testdir/ DELETE_SELF
   /home/bfccomputing/testdir/ IGNORED

This is useful, but I was hoping to also get the PID that was  
piddling so I could find out why a certain file was being messed  
with.  None of the API's I looked at have such a field.  I haven't  
read the kernel source yet, but I assume it's not there based on none  
of the API's including it.  It could be that the filesystem isn't  
aware, I'm ignorant here.  If that is the case, I assume a higher- 
level API would be required to catch the whole transaction.

In the meantime I'll probably try to use the Perl API and process  
auditing to come up with a decent guess.

FAM looks like it was designed with the same goals in mind, but  
appears to not be currently maintained (they're 'working on' dnotify  
support...).  FAM is portable to IRIX, though.  FAM doesn't have  
'responsible PID' either.

Thanks, all!

-Bill

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Re: Website Development Question

2007-12-20 Thread Frank DiPrete
On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 13:25 -0500, Travis Roy wrote:
 I'm working on a site for somebody that does promotion work at trade
 shows. As a result she wants to have a number of pictures on one of
 the sidebars on the site.
 
 I tried a few javascript apps and some flash apps that just didn't
 work the way I wanted. She wants them to change randomly on the page.
 The only other thing I can think of is to just have it pick them
 randomly when the page loads.

this will work fine - just put the pic bar in an iframe and have the
source for the iframe refresh itself every minute or so.

  meta http-equiv=refresh content=60

or to make it hurt the eyes, put all the images in their own iframe and
have them refresh at different times ;)



 
 Does anybody have any other suggestions or pointers?
 

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Re: Phone Hands free

2007-12-20 Thread Dan Jenkins




Bill McGonigle wrote:

  On Dec 20, 2007, at 14:24, Ben Scott wrote:

  
  
On Dec 20, 2007 1:50 PM, Dan Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  I've had my business partner talk me to a destination ...
  

  Is his name "Tom"?  ;-)

  
  
First and last?
  

Which would make him a GPS.

However, his name is not Tom, neither Tom Tom nor Tom Bombadil.



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Re: An ingenious hack...

2007-12-20 Thread John Abreau


On Thu, December 20, 2007 10:02 am, Paul Lussier said:

 http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/ITAPPMONROBOT.aspx
 --
 Seeya,
 Paul


Ya gotta love the comment at the bottom of the page...

 Well, add it to the manual.



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Re: BT Drones (was: Eee PC hands on?)

2007-12-20 Thread VirginSnow
 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:10:50 -0500
 From: Bob King [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  The BT earpiece droids do it
  because they think it's cool to show off that they have a phone that
  costs way too much, and has more features than they can possibly ever
  figure out how to use.
 
 
  I don't know about that... I just got a nice little enV phone for free
 (with 2 yr contract) that has stereo bluetooth with music player that is
 pretty sweet. The phones, like the headsets, have come down quite a bit
 unless you really want a UMPC level smartphone. The keyboard is pretty good
 for texting, and the battery life is much improved.

Note: You could have all that coolness...build the device entirely
yourself with available hardware and open-source software...*BUT ONLY
IF* building your own cellular radio wasn't illegal.

Because of that ONE reg... we have to buy all this gadgetry which we
could otherwise make ourselves.

Sigh.
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Re: watching all activity on a file?

2007-12-20 Thread Kevin D. Clark

Bill McGonigle writes:

 This is useful, but I was hoping to also get the PID that was  
 piddling so I could find out why a certain file was being messed  
 with.  

How about:

   while inotifywait -e modify /file/you/are/interested/in; do
 lsof /file/you/are/interested/in /tmp/logfile
 date /tmp/logfile
   done


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Re: watching all activity on a file?

2007-12-20 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Dec 20, 2007, at 18:37, Kevin D. Clark wrote:

 How about:

while inotifywait -e modify /file/you/are/interested/in; do
  lsof /file/you/are/interested/in /tmp/logfile
  date /tmp/logfile
done

If it were someone editing a file, that would be a great solution.   
In this particular case I'm trying to catch an unlink - my hunch is  
lsof woudn't show anything.

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Re: BT Drones (was: Eee PC hands on?)

2007-12-20 Thread Bob King
On 12/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Note: You could have all that coolness...build the device entirely
 yourself with available hardware and open-source software...*BUT ONLY
 IF* building your own cellular radio wasn't illegal.

It would be nice if there were more unlocked phones for reasonable
money, hopefully android or something like it can change the face of
the market. We shall see.
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Re: Phone Hands free

2007-12-20 Thread Bob King
 BT would mean I don't have that pesky wire hanging around.  I could see BT
 headphones being useful instead of wired when I'm doing yardwork, mountain
 biking and motorcycling.

The pair I have works a fair distance away, and has audio pick-ups so
you can use it to answer the phone if you want. Even includes track
forward/backward, pause and answer buttons. Definitely leaves you free
to deal with stuff while working on the call. I was surprised that it
could carry through nearly two rooms of my house. The various bits are
becoming available.

I have read (do not have the citation handy) that there is wireless
VGA available, so the matching eye piece would be quite possible. Then
you could just carry a unit in a messenger bag or backpack and have
access to your system. Voice control is still a work in progress, but
we are getting there.

Given that arrangement, the old desktop paradigm might not even be the
right way to go, but I am sure that the Linux community will be the
first to explore such alternatives.

 I could see it in a remote data center.  The tech in the center has the
 BT/phone while using tools as someone else is talking them though it.

That can be problematic given the background noise, but it would
certainly be nice with some decent noise cancellation technology.
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Cell phone recommendations

2007-12-20 Thread Dan Miller
I'm thinking of upgrading my phone (currently with ATT) and am thinking
of buying a Linux phone (if I can).

About the only extra feature I am looking for is BT. I don't want GPS
and could care less for internet on the phone, since I won't use that
anyway.

Do you guys have any experience with Linux cell phones? What one would
you recommend. What normal cell phone would you recommend?

iPhone is not an option.

Dan
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