Re: Anyone want to buy a supercomputer?
On Wed, May 01, 2024 at 07:52:37PM -0400, jon.maddog.h...@gmail.com wrote: ... > So BASIC has a lot of detractors, mostly due to the infamous "GOTO". FORTRAN's "computed goto" put that to shame ;) > So here is to you, BASIC! You moved a lot of people forward. Indeed. -mm- (no thanks on the supercomputer) PS: Some time in the mid-70s I wrote a FORTRAN preprocessor that allowed the use of symbolic labels. It could also renumber labels, move format statements to their own section with their own number grouping. A la ratfor I guess, tho I had never heard of that (it sort of barely existed then anyway). PPS: I only ever took one language course in my ignoble time at college, prior to the thing in the PS above. It was FORTRAN. I took it three times because I failed it twice, me being a horrible student and distracted by.. well, computers. The third time I got a D. The final term project was returned with a red scrawl over the front page saying "I asked for a project, not a thesis." That was sort of on my mind because I think I had that printout up until about a week ago when it was accidentally thrown out by somebody working on the house here. Ah, nostalgia. I remember that. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Boston Linux VIRTUAL Meeting reminder, tomorrow Wednesday, May 20, 2020 Amd Ryzen
Shoot, I wish I had paid more attention. I to skip or defer messages when the subject is for a remote area (Boston, Nashua ;) ). I'm fairly interested in Ryzen and JTSi seems like it would be good to see also. I only noticed after the fact -- when the topic turned into a thread in mutt, it kinda stood out. mm (I know it said virtual, dummy me.) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Alex Hewitt, RIP
On Thu, May 07, 2020 at 08:11:45PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: > On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 9:47 AM Ted Roche wrote: > > Passing on the sad news that Alex Hewitt died on April 18th. Some of you > > may remember Alex as the > > co-organizer of the Python SIG with the late Bill Sconce, or for his work > > at DEC. > > :-( seconded ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Reminder/RSVP -- meet *this Thursday* for chat & beer.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 03:17:36PM -0500, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: > Hey, all! Just a reminder that we're going to get together at Martha's > Exchange this Thursday at 6:00. Nothing formal, though Maddog has > threatened to bring a PiDP-11. (Note the add'l 'i' for those wondering > if he needs help with the handtrucks.) > > Trying to get a quick headcount so I know what to tell Martha's to set > aside for us. > > Looking forward to seeing whoever's able to show up! Likely but not certain mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: COBOL on HPUX
On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 10:44:13PM -0500, R. Anthony Lomartire wrote: > So I recently landed a job working in COBOL on HP-UX. It's been a trip! > This stuff is from before my time but it's been really interesting to > learn. Have any of you folks worked with this stuff? We're looking to > migrate away eventually, maybe anyone with experience there? I'd love to > hear any stories about COBOL or old enterprise mainframe applications > you've worked with. We're probably going to be hiring soon too if anyone > would be interested in a similar gig. :) I was unable to avoid working in COBOL entirely. I try not to remember. Still.. way back when (in the before time, in the long-long ago) one of my co-employees at a contract shop I worked for was a big COBOL fan, even though he was young (just out of high school as I recall) and COBOL was passe even then. He wrote an assembler using it. And several games including, I think, Conway's game of life (*). Not much of a story, I know. -mm- (*)which can be written in anything, I suppose, even TECO. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: systemd and search domains.
On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 05:58:24PM -0500, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: > Ha! An inotify monitor actually seems like a pretty elegant solution to me! > (though maybe I should point out that I got some of my aesthetic sense > from growing up watching The Red Green Show...). But you can change. If you have to. Don't you guess? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Bill Sconce
So sorry to hear - it's very sad news indeed. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: USB video?
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 07:51:00PM -0500, Ben Scott wrote: On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name wrote: Why do servers still have VGA + PS/2? From what I see, most have VGA and USB, these days. Because most KVMs haven't switched? I'm not privy to their design meetings, but I would suppose: VGA is cheaper, both to build a video source, and to build a switch. ... Or flip it around: why have other systems eliminated them? Among other things, because they are subject to analog sunset 2013 AACS licensing requirements. Some server systems may still be able to get away with including VGA ports, I don't know. -mm- (still riding that hobbyhorse) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Green screen.
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 08:13:13PM -0500, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: Good evening, all. I must be getting responsible or something, but I'm getting roped in to the Amherst PTA's Math and Science Night activity. (Except that this year, it's gonna be in the day.) This year's theme looks as if it's going to be weather, and a really solid idea for a fun activity was the proverbial TV weatherman green screen. I have to imagine this would be feasible with Linux -- anyone have any suggestions on leads to hunt down? tangent (of course) - I just read the other day of the death of the inventor of bluescreen (and greenscreen) technology. e.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21463817 and lots of others mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Cataloging media - books, CDs, DVDs
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:47:54AM -0500, Ben Scott wrote: Hello, list! Happy Festivus. ABSTRACT I have decided I need to catalog my purchased media (books, CDs, DVDs). I'm seeking solution(s) to this problem. I figure other people here have already solved this problem. [ skippage ] Just to fire a shot in the dark: gcstar maybe? (www.gcstar.org) Or google collection manager OTOH as relates to one of your gazillion bullet items: C2. Social networking, suggestions, sharing, etc. I've got no objections to those, provided they don't get in my way. I'm even likely to find such things useful, but that's not my primary goal. You list this as a non-requirement. However it seems to me that central-site-per-collection-type satisfies social stuff better than private collection implementations. Not that that needs to be the way it is, in fact it would be great if networked communications were part of private collections managers, but that does not seem to be the way it is at the moment. So goodreads is good for books, letterboxd for movies, stuff like that. (I'm on both of those.) PS I saw gcstar ages ago here: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/best-linux-collection-managers-compared I also tried the free version of readerware[.com] at some point but for some unremembered reason gave up on it, but a lot of time has passed so it may be worth looking at. mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Web-based IMAP mail client.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 05:23:41PM -0400, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: Hey, all. I know that this is a bit of a dead horse -- between (expletive-deleted) Outlook/Exchange in the workplace, and Gmail out of the workplace, an awful lot of people just don't bother with do-it-yourself mail any longer. But, for those miscreants (e.g., moi) who carry on with their Quixotic preferences, I gotta give a thumbs up: roundcube. I'd tried it four or five years ago, and had been pretty unimpressed. Hoo-boy, has that changed. It's *slick*, it works awesomely well, it's got a bunch of interesting plugins... and, well, did I mention it's slick? I liked roundcube a lot the last time I tried it, but it didn't have very good (if any) support for virtual domains. Has that changed? I suppose I should just go look ;) mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Web-based IMAP mail client.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 05:37:04PM -0400, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: I liked roundcube a lot the last time I tried it, but it didn't have very good (if any) support for virtual domains. Has that changed? I suppose I should just go look ;) As a matter of fact, it does. Their Howto Config gives a bunch of answers to fairly common configuration things (e.g., by default, it asks for your IMAP server at login time; this can be easily rectified). http://trac.roundcube.net/wiki/Howto_Config Ah good, thanks. Something else to play with. :) mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Random junk at MV
Hi- We have some junk at the old MV office that we were recently given the OK to take or dispose of. Much of it has already been spoken for, and so there's really not a lot of things of general interest, but I figured I'd mention it in case anybody is interested in what remains. It has to go ASAP though (before Monday Aug 22, i.e., by the end of the weekend). I'll be there tomorrow for a few hours starting at 10AM-- you are welcome to come by and have a look or commiserate, and if you need to come back over the weekend to grab something, I can work that out with you. Stuff includes: - some random pieces of furniture (a couple of credenzas, desk, pressboard workbenches, maybe some metal shelf units) - some old cheap routers, terminal servers, CSU/DSUs - a pile of Livingston/Lucent PM3 portmasters; we used them for dialup but they can be used as T1 routers. - a 13 mux (T3 / 28 T1) - maybe some 19 2-post relay racks still bolted to the floor (not quite sure of the claim status of these) - racmount POTS line modems and boxes of standalone modems :-) - an X.25 PAD! Maybe some other things, it's hard to remember. Sorry for the last-minute bother and this message may just be a waste of your time, but one never knows what people will want. Anything left is just going to get tossed. Yours, -mm- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer hardware for sale, cheap
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 06:58:41PM -0500, Ted Roche wrote: Before I toss them up on Craigslist, then Freecycle then the local transfer station, I wanted to give folks a shot at this stuff. No reasonable offer refused. Pick up in Contoocook, ship at cost or rendezvous at a LUG meeting. 1. WinTV PVR-150: $40; used lightly to record 180 episodes of X-Files via MythTV a couple of years ago, now collecting dust. This is an _analog_ recorder. Includes MCE IR remote and receiver. Cost $150 new, eBay ~$55 2. PC-HDTV-5500: $40; QAM (non-encrypted) digital recording; also used in MythTV. See http://www.pchdtv.com/hd_5500.html Cost $129, now retails for $99 I'm not speaking for these, (and understand #2 is gone) but I'm curious as to why you're getting rid of them; what are you using in their places? As for me, I've got a few SiliconDust HDHomeRun tuners that work pretty well for unencrypted digital cable. I've also got a couple of Pinnacle PCI HDTV cards that give indications of working outside of Mythtv (e.g. with tvtime), but that so far I'm at a dead end with on MythTV. I've sort of got the impression that analog tuning is broken in MythTV 0.24 but am interested to know if your PVR-150 is any more usable as tuner for analog cable signals than the Pinnacle card is. And interested in any other comments, of course, which is why I'm not replying off-list .. mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer hardware for sale, cheap
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:59:13AM -0500, Benjamin Scott wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Mark E. Mallett m...@mv.mv.com wrote: And interested in any other comments, of course, which is why I'm not replying off-list .. I canceled cable TV and watch all my TV via Netflix and Hulu now. I save $60+/month and have fewer commercials (none on Netflix). I cancelled almost all of mine too, about a year ago, and watch a lot of stuff online (much of it via a Roku box). There's a lot of alternative things available that way. But even with the minimum cable plan a bunch of digital content comes through, and I would like to be able to tune the basic handful of analog cable channels that I get. I haven't seen anything on Hulu to attract me though... maybe it's just me :-) mm (certainly not Hulu Plus) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [GNHLUG] Hey, Wiki, you're so fine... CentraLUG, 7 June 2010, Hopkinton Public Library
On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 07:33:35PM -0400, Ted Roche wrote: Twiki, written in Perl, running gnhlug.org (http://twiki.org) MediaWiki, written in PHP, storage in MySQL, which runs Wikipedia.org (http://mediawiki.org) Dokuwiki, also in PHP (http://www.dokuwiki.org/) Redmine, written in Ruby, which includes a wiki module. (http://www.redmine.org/) No moinmoin? (python based, flat storage) -mm- (I was hoping to make it, but hope fades.) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [GNHLUG] Hey, Wiki, you're so fine... CentraLUG, 7 June 2010, Hopkinton Public Library
On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 10:47:39AM -0400, Ted Roche wrote: On 06/07/2010 10:34 AM, Mark E. Mallett wrote: No moinmoin? (python based, flat storage) Yeah, moinmoin rocks, too. That's one of the problems - I think there are hundreds of wiki applications. And I've installed and played with a dozen or so over the years. Understood - I just figured you'd have a python one in the mix :-) -mm- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: twitter vs identi.ca
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:19:42PM -0500, Arc Riley wrote: I'd like to encourage everyone to choose the free software microblogging service http://identi.ca/ http://identi.ca/%20 Gee, and you didn't even say who you are there. Not that it's hard to figure out :-) I've been there since July 2008, I think, and although I haven't found (mainly for lack of effort on my part) many people to connected to on identi.ca, I always have it up in an IM window. -mm- (aka @revmem) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Sansa, Rockbox, Free Software for antiques (was: Digital Voice Recorders and Linux)
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 02:59:21PM -0400, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: Luckily, the Sansa devices seem to be nigh indestructible--so if you get one onto which you can load Rockbox, you shouldn't need to worry much about how you'll never be able to replace it when it breaks :) I've been using Rockbox on a Sansa e260 for quite a while; the big select button has gotten a little flakey but still usable. Recent Rockbox even knows how to drive the USB port so you can directly use it access all of a large flash memory card from your computer, instead of having to use a separate card reader like before (not a huge deal but a nice one). mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
free sunfire box
Hi, There's a Sun Fire V880 box sitting here that isn't wanted by the owner. They would like to give it away if somebody is interested in picking it up. I thought somebody here might be a Sun user and have a need for such a thing, so I figured I'd mention it. The main catch is that for security reasons they don't want to give away the 6 hard drives but they no longer have the key to unlock them, but perhaps somebody who is familiar with these boxes would know how to get around that. Config: Sun Fire V880 Server, 750 Mhz Processor(s) 2 x 750 UltraSparc III Total Memory 4 GB Number of disk drives: 0 Maximum capacity: Processors(s) 8 x 750 UltraSparc III Total Memory 32 GB Number of disk drives: 12 Total Disk Space (for 12 drives): 873 GB Let me know if you are interested and can deal with unlocking the drives and picking it up (in downtown Manchester). Yours in hoping this is not inappropriate, -mm- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: free sunfire box
On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 03:48:17PM -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote: On 09/02/2009 02:46 PM, Mark E. Mallett wrote: for security reasons they don't want to give away the 6 hard drives FWIW: http://sansforensics.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/overwriting-hard-drive-data/ Yeah. But it's not my call. mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [OT] We Choose The Moon
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:15:42AM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: This year is the 40th anniversary of Apollo 11 -- the first time a human being set foot on another world. ? The JFK Presidential Library has a website which is providing a real-time simulation/recreation, complete with CGI models, recorded audio, video footage, and photos. ?It's still on the pad right now. Launch is in less than 24 hours (9:32 AM EDT on 16 July). http://wechoosethemoon.org/ ?Needs Flash 10. ?Doesn't seem to like Firefox on this Windoze PC. :-( Haven't tried it at home on Linux yet. Seems to work here under FF3.5 But speaking of ff3.5: http://blog.mozilla.com/security/2009/07/14/critical-javascript-vulnerability-in-firefox-35/ mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [GNHLUG] Reminder of UNIX Time event: Today, Friday 13th, 18:31:30 EST (that is about 6:30 P.M. for Microsoft users) - Marthas Please RSVP
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:06:27AM -0500, Chris wrote: Not to be too pedantic about this, but 11:31:30 UTC is 16:31:30 EST there is only a 5hr time difference. Only if you add instead of subtract :-). 23:31:30 minus 5 is 18:31:30 I only mention it so that I can post the other niffty time today: 5% date -r 1234554321 Fri Feb 13 14:45:21 EST 2009 which appeals to palindromanticists. mm (yes, I know, I used a BSDism) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 12:44:01PM -0500, Chip Marshall wrote: On February 03, 2009, Ben Scott sent me the following: But none of those domain names are even close to valid, and while I didn't check each and every one, it didn't look like there were any repeats. How would that lead to info about cached queries? Oh, I thought you had obfuscared the query string along with the source IP. I should have read more carefully. Yeah, gibberish qnames wouldn't make sense for a cache probe. But they might make sense for a reflection attack. An owned machine issues a query with a forged source IP address; the answer from your nameserver goes to that forged address. Even if the answer is just a SRVFAIL or other we don't do that here response, it's still a response and it serves to hide the identity of the source. There's been a lot of that going on lately, using queries for the root zone. When that's issued against a nameserver that allows recursion for anybody, the return payload is much larger than the source packet, so there's am amplification. When issued against a nameserver that doesn't allow recursion for everyone, it's still a reflection attack that masks the source. It's possible that somebody's testing using random query names instead of . -- . is pretty easy to look for in the logs, but the random names are more difficult. (We get a pretty large constant number of attempts to use our nameserver(s) recursively; anything that makes spotting the DOS attemps difficult would be better for the attackers.) Anyway that's just guessing. Eyeballing it, I haven't spotted any of those random name queries in the logs here. I don't know what it really is, am just adding to the noise here :) mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 05:11:51PM -0500, Bruce Dawson wrote: Is it possible those strings are I18l names? (I seem to remember there being a movement a while back trying to international-ize the DNS space.) Like punycoded? Seems like you'd just see ASCII names starting with xn-- for that; these were just random letter-digit strings and with no dots. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: CALL FOR HELP: Video record of the Thr 20 Nov Nashua meet?
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:29:06AM -0500, Ben Scott wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In particular, it would be really good if someone could bring a decent quality video camera/recorder. (By decent I just mean home movie. Better than cell phone or $99 web cam is what I'm after.) Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? I had thought to offer my little mini-DV camcorder, but I think it would probably be an option of last resort -- mainly because it doesn't have an external microphone jack (so the sound would really be poor in that environment), nor do I have a tripod. Not to mention that I probably won't be there and I don't really know how to get it to anyone other than having them come to the office. Nevertheless, there's an offer, weasly as it is. mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: portable music players
BTW last week's FLOSS Weekly was about Rockbox. I listened to it with rockbox of course.. http://twit.tv/floss43 mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [OT] Job interviews; manhole covers (was: Converting HTML ...)
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 11:45:47AM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: But what can you say about chocolate-covered manhole covers? That the Easter Bunny had a narrow escape? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Converting HTML and MIME to plain text mail
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 03:09:47PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ric Werme [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 01:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Greater NH Linux User Group gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Who invented BASE64 anyway, when uuencoding work just fine already? How many times do I have to see wheels reinvented in this dumb business, anyway? Often, we use reinventing the wheel as a metaphor... but the wheel (more technically speaking the roller) actually *has* been reinvented: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ReuleauxTriangle.html kewl. There's also the Mecanum wheel as is used on the Segway RMP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecanum_wheel and the various combinations of wheels on spokes that form larger wheels, etc, etc. And, if South Park isn't lying to me, in Canada the wheels are square. -mm- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: portable music players
On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 11:15:16AM -0400, Stephen Ryan wrote: There are other models from other companies that do work with a version of Rockbox. Sandisk actually requested a port to the Sansa e200 series, and donated player(s?) to the Rockbox team for it. I'd report on how well it works, but my Sansa e260 is currently a nice-looking paperweight, thanks to the efforts of my cat (he dropped it in his water bowl one night) :-( I'm a reasonably happy e260/rockbox user. The stickiest drawback is that you have to boot into the original firmware to use the USB interface. Rockbox will even generate a scroblog file that you can use to update track info to last.fm - a friend wrote a qd python script which I use for that. (me on last.fm: www.last.fm/user/revmem). Things like this are also nice grandfather devices. By which I mean I can carry images around on it instead of (or in addition to) having wallet photos :) And I can put podcasts on it to listen to during the down-time while babysitting. Ever in geezer mode, mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: IMAP URLs
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 12:27:31PM -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote: On Aug 29, 2008, at 12:09, Michael ODonnell wrote: ...and I wonder if there's a Linux tool like wget that I can use to pull email folders and such from an Exchange server I've known folks to use this program: http://freshmeat.net/projects/imapcopy/ to move users off of Exchange, as well as between Exchange servers. There's also imapsync http://freshmeat.net/projects/imapsync/ but I dunno how well it plays with Exchange. mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Appie pie
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 03:50:16PM -0400, Drew Van Zandt wrote: [ ... ] I would also never insult a perfect apple pie by contaminating it with whipped cream. Tastes vary. That was my reaction, too :) Just goes to show how almost any slice from one's own perspective does not represent the entire pie. -mm- (tastes vary? tastes very bad.) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
duplex humor
The mini-thread featuring the word duplex reminds me of this fortune cookie fortune that somebody at work (hi Rob) got a couple of years back: http://www.mv.com/users/mem/Images/robh-cookie-1-20060111.jpg http://www.mv.com/users/mem/Images/robh-cookie-2-20060111.jpg mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Firefox 3 AwesomeBar
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 03:15:44PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, that version would be named DragonBreath. :^) Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. (unknown) draco dormiens nunquam titillandus (coincidentally seen on another mailing list just a few minutes ago.) -mm- (but it's all greek to me) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Some library and packaging advice please?
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 01:39:24PM -0400, Paul Lussier wrote: Neil Joseph Schelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm trying to build a Kolab server for use at work I read that as a 'Kabab' server and thought: sheesh. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Spam and extra MX records
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 09:44:35AM -0400, Neil Joseph Schelly wrote: 1 - Set a fake MX record for a nonexistent server, or for a server that won't listen on port 25 for your _highest_ MX value. Since a lot of spam will skip your lowest MX (primary) right away for a less-loaded backup MX with potentially less reliable spam filtering in place, the assumption is that a lot more spam will make it through a backup MX. I've already confirmed that that does happen a lot. The theory here is that by setting a non-operational backup MX record, spam bots will try and then give up on sending spam your way. Real mail should never try the fake MX record unless all your real mail servers are down, in which case, you've got other issues to worry about. Still, somebody can try a backup MX for a variety of reasons you might not predict: like an accept queue temporarily full on the primary, a transient routing glitch, and so forth. There are so many, um, interesting mail programs out there and you can't tell what some of them will do when they think they have fallen all the way to your backup MX and then gotten rejected by an RST (as opposed to timing out). I've sometimes set things up such that the backup MX always gives a 4xx, which does not seem as fraught with error (although no backup at all is probably better these days). 2 - Set a fake MX record for a nonexistent server, or for a server that won't listen on port 25 for your _lowest_ MX value. Essentially, this would make it look like your primary mail server is always down and every incoming message would have to get retried to your first backup MX. Again, the assumption is that spam bots will give up after failing to send to the first MX they try, whereas real email will try your next higher MX record in priority until it completes a delivery. I wouldn't do it to a nonexistent server; you'll just cause timeout delays for all your legit senders, and they won't like it. The other one -- pointing to something that will instantly refuse the connection -- even has a name: nolisting, see http://nolisting.org/ . Some folks say it works pretty well -- for now. It also increases the work for the sender, but only slightly. But it seems to me that with it you lose some ability to profile the senders, and that you can work out other ways to throttle those senders (at the expense of some horsepower). I've set it up for a couple of cases when getting massive blowback for a particular domain (as a couple of ours are right now, for example); i.e. an extreme reaction to an extreme situation. mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: How to tell good code from bad...
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 12:14:21PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.osnews.com/story/19266/WTFs_m Ob without mention of: http://thedailywtf.com/ very appropriate.. I like to go there now and then, too. Although I was unexcited when it was always renaming the location to worsethanfailure.com (I see they seem to have stopped doing that, yay). Another good one is codinghorror.com . Not really directly related to the original post, but related to the followup :) mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: How to tell good code from bad...
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 06:45:51PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Mark E. Mallett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ob without mention of: http://thedailywtf.com/ Although I was unexcited when it was always renaming the location to worsethanfailure.com ... There was actually a pretty good essay behind that name change, Yep, I saw it. although it appears most people didn't get it, and thus popular opinion eventually convinced the site operator to switch back. didn't notice that until today, tho. mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: server uptime
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 09:46:04AM -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:38:52 -0400 Mark E. Mallett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sometimes it's good to reboot a system just to make sure you can. That's very old school :-) thank you :) Back in the days where mainframes had the power of my PDA, operating systems were somewhat unsophisticated. I ran a data center in San Antonio where we ran VM/370 - IBM's virtualization, with the batch os (OS/VS1) in one VM, and CMS for online users - data control and programmers. The thinking back then if we shutdown we may never get the system back up, but this was 1950s mentality. But, memory leaks and things could cause the OS to degrade over time. Today, for the most part, the Linux and Unix kernels really do not need periodic reboots unless there is a problem. On out BLU mail server we've seen that the routing table gets screwed up and is difficult to fix. In any case, since nearly every service and driver can be stopped and started remotely, the only reason I might want to reboot other than a kernel upgrade is that it might be faster to reboot than to try to fix an issue, but that tends to be more of a Microsoft mentality, but Windows Server has become more stable also. But all of that is completely different from what I said. I agree that software can keep running without a reboot. But as I mentioned, sometimes a reboot will find something that you can't possibly find by keeping a system running. Like some of the things I listed. My point is that a planned reboot can help protect you from surprises that you might learn only from an unplanned reboot. Note that this is a do as I say not as I do kind of remark. I never actually reboot anything for that reason, I just think it's a good reason :) Relatedly, a group of systems can get into a state where it's hard to reboot the whole group back into that state. This can happen when you build up a collection of services and servers over time, but never from scratch. e.g. you might have a system A that uses a service on system B during its boot process, and vice versa (although bigger trouble can come with harder to find dependency loops that creep in through some crack in the plans). mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: server uptime
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 08:23:14PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: And let's not forget that Linux isn't immune to restart-the-world issues, either. For example, on a Linux server, if you update glibc to patch a security bug, you pretty much need to restart *everything*. sometimes it's good to reboot a system just to make sure you can. i.e., that you haven't introduced deadlocks or dependencies or gremlins or changed some externality that the boot process depends on or that some flash memory hasn't rotted or ... mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [GNHLUG] SLUG / GNHLUG Durham - Mon 11 Feb - Rockbox MP3 playerfirmware
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 11:20:57PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mark E. Mallett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:24:03 -0500 On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 12:03:08PM -0500, amc wrote: The only bad thing about rockbox is it support for video. it is weak for video. has anyone had good luck with it for video ? The allure of watching videos on the itty screen eludes me (I must be too old), so I haven't yet tried it. Perhaps I will just for kicks.. It's done for the same three reasons that every cell phone has the game Snakes on it: (1) It can be done, (2) It's cool, and (3) It gives people something to plug-in to rather than have to live in reality. (Which is often just another way of saying #2, It's cool.) :-) Well, I exaggerated anyway. I am interested in storing some photos and videos on the device (e.g., of work or personal interest). Photos work well, and I did download the sample elephants dream video from rockbox.org and put it on the Sansa and it plays just fine. I haven't tried encoding any video for it myself, but the process seems straightforward and I assume it will work. Still, the inconvenience factors (like effort required and size of screen) would keep me from using it for most new content, but that's just me, in this particular snapshot of time and equipment. mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [GNHLUG] SLUG / GNHLUG Durham - Mon 11 Feb - Rockbox MP3 player firmware
On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 10:14:05PM -0500, amc wrote:
sounds good. I installed rockbox on my iPod and love it. I thought I missed
the last months meeting due to the snow storm. I am glad its been
rescheduled.
Also a rockbox fan here: I installed it on my Sansa e260 and it works
great. One of the niffty things is that it will produce a scrobbler log
suitable for submitting to last.fm . (The 'amarok' player that I use on
the desktop system has a last.fm interface also). A friend wrote a
little python program that will take the rockbox .scrobbler.log and
submit it; it's all very nice.
mm ('revmem' on last.fm, http://www.last.fm/user/revmem/)
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Re: [GNHLUG] SLUG / GNHLUG Durham - Mon 11 Feb - Rockbox MP3 playerfirmware
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 12:03:08PM -0500, amc wrote: The only bad thing about rockbox is it support for video. it is weak for video. has anyone had good luck with it for video ? The allure of watching videos on the itty screen eludes me (I must be too old), so I haven't yet tried it. Perhaps I will just for kicks.. mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: managing applications
On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 11:26:59AM -0500, Kent Johnson wrote: Bill McGonigle wrote: cfengine looks like it might be that tool. I'm going to go do some reading. Thanks to Tom Shawn for the pointer! You might also look at Puppet which claims Puppet could be said to be the next-generation cfengine. The overall design is heavily influenced by cfengine, but the language is more powerful than cfengine's and the library is more flexible. http://www.reductivelabs.com/projects/puppet/ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/CfengineVsPuppet I have no experience with either of these. If you end up using one I would be interested in hearing about it. While we're pointing... I've also heard of bcfg2 described as a next-generation cfengine. I don't know much about it, just that it's in one of my list of notes somewhere, along with that phrase (and now 'puppet' has been added). mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Ignorant writing [was: MonadLUG November 8th, 2007 ]
Whatever the description, the movie is well worth watching. I saw it a few years ago; another attraction is that it's narrated by Susan Egan, an actress I'm a fan of. There's another one, The Code, that I haven't caught -- has anybody seen that? Other than, you know, those of you who are in it :) mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [OT] Verizon/FairPoint sale (was: Comcast!?!?)
On Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 04:46:53PM -0500, Bill McGonigle wrote: On Nov 16, 2007, at 11:13, Ed lawson wrote: Regarding telcos, the one thing I seldom see discussed is the fact years ago they got a huge tax break premised on the promise to create a plant providing broadband that was as extensive as the existing copper plant. They reaped the windfall, did not deliver their end of the bargain, and now they are..well we see don't we. So the taxpayer/customer gets to pay twice? Hey, it was only $200B of tax money: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070810_002683.html It's not really seldom-discussed :) Bruce Kushnick has been telling that story for a good long time (e.g. on the cybertelecom-l mailing list -- there's a link to the list on www.cybertelecom.org). You can find his stuff at www.teletruth.org (it can be a bit over the top). mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [OT] xkcd
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 11:37:48PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote:
On 10/11/07, Mark E. Mallett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
mm (I suppose we could just say xkcd.com/{`seq 1 327`})
Doesn't work. You need the comma a separator within {...}. But even
Funny, right after I sent that (obviously should have been right before)
I tried the syntax at a prompt, and discovered it was wrong, and thought,
ah, screwed up again. But then again I can claim it was a comment
employing metasyntax. Yeah, that's the ticket. :)
mm
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Re: [OT] xkcd
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 04:00:50PM -0400, Paul Lussier wrote:
http://xkcd.com/224/
The LISP/perl ones are fun, this one especially:
http://xkcd.com/312/
with a NH connection, even (via Robert Frost).
it's probably been mentioned here before, my brain leaks like a sieve.
mm (I suppose we could just say xkcd.com/{`seq 1 327`})
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Re: Shell Quoting. Was: Shell tips and tricks
On Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 01:02:37PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On 10/8/07, Steven W. Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if [[ blah1 blah2 ]] otherwise you'd have to say if [ blah1 ]] [ blah2 ] which I'm hoping won't generate a different set of questions. (I'm assuming, in the second example, the doubled right-square-bracket after blah1 is a typo.) Can't you just say [ blah1 -a blah2 ] for the second one? That's what I've always done. I supposed, aesthetically, one might prefer the use of over -a because it looks more like C or makes one think of and or whatever, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that. Notes from the autoconf folks about shell portability make interesting reading, if you lean that way. I'm sure there are other guides, but I think of this because configure scripts have lots of things that you might scratch your head about. Not all of which are explained by the notes :) http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/autoconf-2.57/html_chapter/autoconf_10.html Oddly there is no mention of the '==' thing, possibly they didn't consider that people used to 'test' syntax would use it. They do say: If you need to make multiple checks using test, combine them with the shell operators `' and `||' instead of using the test operators `-a' and `-o'. On System V, the precedence of `-a' and `-o' is wrong relative to the unary operators; consequently, POSIX does not specify them, so using them is nonportable. If you combine `' and `||' in the same statement, keep in mind that they have equal precedence. mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: High Latency Survival Tactics (Was: Re: Thunderbird stupid about X traffic?)
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 04:13:27PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: At that point, the hard part is finding a *terminal* that supports a local line editing mode. I think there might be an xterm or rxvt option somewhere for this. Maybe on one of the [CTRL]+click menus? (I'm not at an xterm right now.) Maybe something that supports 3270 mode (or 5250)? google finds a few hits, like this one that looks interesting (tho I know absolutely nothing about this site): http://x3270.bgp.nu/ Then the hardest part is trying to figure out how to use ed to edit text files. Or maybe one of the TECO fans in the group can give lessons on that. ;-) Oh sure, from one write-only-language thread to another.. But really, there have been some line-oriented editors that were designed for block mode transmissions even though the actual connections had evolved to character mode. One that I used presented one line at a time. You would indicate where you wanted to edit the line by sending '/' characters that skipped over the part you wanted to keep. Like (not exactly like, since my memory is fuzzy): * this is a line of text from the file i//new and then you hit return to have the change take effect, i.e., to insert the word new before line. It was quite a trip and I only put up with it for so long before writing a new editor there :) -mm-. kj/n ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: postfix
On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 11:54:15AM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On 8/29/07, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or /bin/mail... Technically it is the LDA which does the user-existence verification checks, not the MDA. An LDA is a type of MDA. Any LDA is also an MDA. If you meant MTA, then again, I point out that an MTA can also perform address verification, and Sendmail does this by default (as much as any Sendmail behavior can be called a default grin). If you don't believe me, connect to TCP/25 on liberty.gnhlug.org and try RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. It will reject it then and there, before any MDA is invoked. Then again, any software bundle can play different roles in the delivery of email, and there are a lot of blurry edges between the roles. One might consider the address-verification part of the package we think of as an MTA to be done by its role as MDA. Even more pedantically, you can't really tell from telnetting to port 25 exactly what software is being invoked to give you that response. (e.g. if it's postfix, you might be seeing the result of consulting a policy daemon; if it's sendmail, you might be interacting, in part, with a milter.) I wouldn't consider POP or IMAP an MUA. How about protocols ? :) *I* wouldn't either. But as far as I know, as far as the RFCs are concerned, there are MTAs (which move mail around), MDAs (which accept and process mail for delivery), and MUAs (which handle mail on behalf of the user). Oh, and MSAs (Message Submission Agent), which is a subset of SMTP for MUAs that only inject mail. POP and IMAP simply store it until picked up by the authenticated user. IMAP typically stores it afterwards, too -- unless your initials are pll. ;-) Perhaps 'Mail Storage Agent' ? I like it, but it collides with MSA. For all these buzzwords, er, concepts, and more, you might find this: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-crocker-email-arch-09.txt to be enjoyable reading. Never say never. Let's all agree that we *hope* we never need to use Exchange as an MDA for a postfix or sendmail system! Well, I suppose if you had Sendmail or Postfix running on a Exchange server, and you also wrote a custom MAPI or CDO program to inject mail into the Exchange Information Store without using the Exchange SMTP service, then you could do that. Do Exchange boxes offer LMTP services? If so, they could be used as an MDA for a sendmail or postfix server. Even if not, if the postfix or sendmail server is merely handing off delivery to an Exchange server via SMTP, it could easily be considered as making use of the Exchange server as an MDA. (It's the role, not the software..) I used to work at UNH. Did not know that. So did I, in the dark ages. :) mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [OT] Looking for ancient boot media
On Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 02:41:19PM -0400, Bill Sconce wrote: On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:17:25 -0400 Warren Luebkeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This reminds me of a discussion I had with Maddog and Bill Sconce earlier this week, regarding the possibility of a show-and-tell of some of these ancient computers. I'm sure others would be very curious to see some of these things in working condition, I know I would. Especially a paper tape reader or something along those lines. I threw out an old optical paper-tape reader a couple of years ago, still in the box, unused. It would be fun. I was cleaning out the other day and came across a film can (you remember: film, the stuff we used to put in cameras). Inside I found... a few hundred memory cores. Oh boy, a place where I can trot this out: http://www.geezer.org/core-window/ :-) -mm- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [OT] Looking for ancient boot media
On Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 06:09:06PM -0400, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: Oh boy, a place where I can trot this out: http://www.geezer.org/core-window/ :-) It is missing the sense wire. And/or the inhibit. (as noted in the caption, actually :) ) mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: cpp replaced by m4?
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 04:07:38PM -0400, Ric Werme wrote: Thomas Charron may have opened the floodgates: Can we have an example of why you want to do this? I had refrained from suggesting (somewhat tongue in cheek) that you should sit down with the MACRO-10 manual (the assembler for the PDP-10) and implement its macro processor. However, since I have an opening I refrained too, since I was sure somebody else would bring it up :) [We] old macro-10 programmers carried macros around like unixers carry around their collection of shell tools. Or insert better analogy here. Macro-10 should have been called a dissembler, since you could hide (er, abstract) so many things inside of macros. That 'cog' hack looks interesting, although I am leery of such things that modify their own source files. A similar hack is 'ptml' which also executes embedded python in templates and produces text output. (Found this while looking for an old term-rewriting language also called ptml, for parse tree manipulation language or some such thing.) mm (this message adds no value) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: I have no words to describe this...
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 09:02:03PM -0500, Dan Jenkins wrote: mike miller wrote: It may not be rap, but geek songs have been around for quite a while and not limited to one coast. The one that I remember best from sometime in the '80s, don't know which coast, is On the Xerox Line. I've always been partial to The Eternal Flame written by Bob Kanefsky, sung by Julia Ecklar (lyrics at http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/eternal-flame.html). MP3 at http://infogroep.be/GodWroteInLisp. She has a good voice, which most rappers don't in my limited experience. :-) Code Monkey here is amusing: http://www.jonathancoulton.com/songs as is Flickr and possibly others. Found in a link from an article about the MAC/PC/Linux ad spoofs here: http://reverendted.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/mac-vs-pc-how-would-linux-fit/ after seeing them on the novell site: http://www.novell.com/ (move your mouse over the picture, click on it) where I went after seeing a pointer in email. end of backtrace. -mm- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: I have no words to describe this...
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 10:56:03AM -0500, mike miller wrote: It may not be rap, but geek songs have been around for quite a while and not limited to one coast. The one that I remember best from sometime in the '80s, don't know which coast, is On the Xerox Line. http://stuff.mit.edu/afs/sipb/user/ambar/lyrics/xerox-line I believe that's called the White Collar Holler -- Stan Rogers classic for the punch-card generation. I have it on LP :) (almost mentioned it in the Al thread a week or two ago) mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: I have no words to describe this...
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 01:02:50PM -0400, Mark E. Mallett wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 10:56:03AM -0500, mike miller wrote: It may not be rap, but geek songs have been around for quite a while and not limited to one coast. The one that I remember best from sometime in the '80s, don't know which coast, is On the Xerox Line. http://stuff.mit.edu/afs/sipb/user/ambar/lyrics/xerox-line I believe that's called the White Collar Holler -- Stan Rogers classic for the punch-card generation. I have it on LP :) To talk to myself, here, this also makes me think of P.D.Q. Bach's Classical Rap . Dunno if it's online, but one transcription is: http://stunewsandphotos.blogspot.com/2006/06/pdq-bachs-classical-rap.html It's on the Oedipus Wrecks CD, which has a Pathetic / Inane Lyrics advisory. mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Topic threading tech (not this list in particular) (was: Dividing The List Considered Harmful)
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 09:15:13PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On 3/27/07, Mark E. Mallett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and back to a previous subject... simply changing the subject text isn't really enough. When a threat mutates, you really want a new one, which means getting rid of the References links. Hmmm. Interesting take. I've always found the References links *useful* for keeping track of the bigger picture of how a conversation came about. I've been annoyed when reading archives and found things out-of-sequence when those links are broken. It never occurred to me that someone might see that as a feature. Hmmm. Ah, interesting take :) Well, I was coming at it from the other end of the continuum, i.e. subject substitution instead of subject morphing. The extreme example of that is when somebody decides to start a new thread, and instead of posting to the list, finds an old posting and hits reply -- thinking that simply changing the subject will be good enough. I can't really fault people who don't use threaded readers for doing that. However, this peeve is a favorite hobby-horse of mine and I like to ride it whenever I get an opening. As far as wanting to know the surrounding context when a thread morphs- yeah, I suppose. But you can go too far. Threads are a great convenience for keeping conversations separated, and it seems to me that it's not always possible to both keep a new conversation separate and keep it attached to where it came from. Then again, I'm an inveterate thread-killer, and I often get bitten by finding (later) that something interesting was buried deep at the bottom of some thread cascade, subject change or no. Like when you find that a thread about ideal computer cases has turned into one about stand-up comedians; at some point I think it's prudent to start a new one. As far as implementation goes, any idea what mail readers (if any) implement this functionality natively? (That is, provide a function for Reply without References. You could always do it with cut-and-paste, of course.) Dunno. Mutt lets you reply and then remove the References header, but you have to remember to do that. You can also do a thread-break and then reply, I suppose. Shouldn't a good threaded reader with thread-kill capability be able to kill just a designated fork/subthread? Yes. Or have commands to break a thread or join threads together in one's own mailbox. mm (my opinionated.info) I'm such a geek. I actually looked that up with whois to see who owned it. Turns out it really *is* yours! Well done! :-) heh. Yeah, it seemed like a good name for a blogsite, then I realized that having a blog involves work. mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Dividing The List Considered Harmful [Was: Re: Subject Lines on the Mailing list: [WAS: Looking for a NH mail list talking about Linux]]
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 12:45:49PM -0400, mike ledoux wrote: I have been through this a few times in the past, with different groups, where the decision was eventually made to fragment the list into multiple lists with more focused charters. I have, to date, never seen it work well. With one exception, all of the mailing lists I have seen fragmented this way have either reverted back to a single main list (sometimes with a separate, often moderated list for announcments, like we have), or gone away entirely. That one exception had strongly focused charters, very clear lines on what topics were appropriate on which lists, and a large team of volunteer list-cops (over 50 when I was in charge of managing them) to keep things on track and ban chronic offenders. Possibly true for dividing a list into specialty lists. OTOH for just the narrowly focused goal of trying to contain chitchat, I've seen it it work well, and I'm on lists now where it works well. it being: there's a main list (or perhaps one or more lists) for on-topic stuff, and an off-topic list for chitchat and jabber. But I think I'll agree with you that it only works well if it's made to work. One component is that it's reasonably easy to tell what's off-topic for a non-chat list (like, say, how do I address this issue at the shell prompt?). And really, a lot of off-topic stuff is easy to spot, even when being on-topic is hard to specify. Another component is having the list-mom make the call, step in and say take it to off-topic or else -- it might take a short while to train everyone, but smart people can deal with it. mailman [topics] are a substitute; I don't care for that, but really, it's just a different way to separate traffic, and at least with topics you don't get some of the overlap issues that you get with separate lists. If you've already got separate specialized lists, topics are less useful. Subscribing one list to another is, IMHO, not a good idea. Oh, and back to a previous subject... simply changing the subject text isn't really enough. When a threat mutates, you really want a new one, which means getting rid of the References links. Threading mail readers don't care about the subject text, they link threads together by those references. Not everyone cares, but for those who do, it makes a huge difference whether you simply change the subject or start a new thread. mm (my opinionated.info) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Portable audio player
If you aren't in any rush, woot (www.woot.com) has cheap mp3 players from time to time. And today they had a two-fer FM transmitter that would have gone well with it :) -mm- (who mainly just likes typing 'woot') ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: ted.asm
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 01:43:44PM -0500, Bill Sconce wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:40:23 -0500 Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Chris wrote: Can't remember who it was that was looking for it, but I found this for you, is this what you were looking for? Nope, different TED. Confusion happens all the time... It wasn't Ted, it was Mark. Mark was looking for TED, not Ted. Roger, Roger. -mm- (and thanks for checking) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Spam and bounces - how do you handle it?
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 09:36:21AM -0500, Neil Joseph Schelly wrote: Often, we get spam to list publishing addresses, but on closed lists, these will be bounced with messages like only subscribers may post. FWIW, for this case, I'm in favor of forwarding those sorts of messages to a list owner/moderator to deal with. That moderator can judge whether to let messages pass, or to contact the sender, etc. This puts the burden of misfires on somebody responsible for the list rather than on third parties. Backscatter/outscatter is a tough problem because of all the edge cases. Some people live in an all-or-nothing universe, though, especially when it comes to having opinions about spam. mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Evolution sucks??
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:59:12AM -0500, Ben Scott wrote: Your example does point out to me, though, that I might well have benefited from using MH as the storage format on the IMAP server, for tricks just like that (much better than mucking around with, say, mbox files). Now I wish you'd beaten that into my head a few years ago. Then again, maybe it took this long to penetrate my thick skull. Hmmm, come to think of it, are there IMAP servers that properly support the MH format? (I know UW-IMAP claims to, but UW-IMAP claims a lot of things) When you say you'd benefit from using MH as the storage format, do you mean because it's one file per message? (I assume so, since the example was about being able to 'rm' each message when it's been identified correctly.) If so, Maildir has a similar property, and is supported by a number of IMAP servers. OTOH IMAP is somewhat about hiding such things from the user anyway; you have to go behind the scenes to pull such tricks if you don't want to do it via the IMAP protocol. mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Evolution sucks??
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 12:24:39PM -0500, Neil Joseph Schelly wrote: On Tuesday 13 February 2007 11:59 am, Ben Scott wrote: It is very true that there's nothing like a standard mechanism for the processing side of things (although procmail comes close, at least in the nix world). There's even less in the way of a standard protocol for configuring any such mechanism over a network. Sieve is exactly that standard mechanism. It's well documented, but unfortunately not well implemented. Do you mean not widely? More so than you might think, I think. exim and sendmail both have sieve implementations (although I think sendmail's is only on its commercial side). dovecot IMAP server has a delivery agent using sieve (via libsieve). There are others. A couple of (as ever, incomplete) lists can be found via http://sieve.info/ I think I've plugged my own implementation here a time or two(*). Cyrus does an awesome job of implementing it though and SquirrelMail's plugin means that you can have users able to configure even complicated Sieve scripts in a pretty environment. Do you really need a pretty environment? :) mm (*)Burying it here: http://www.mvmf.org/ . Those interested in an alternative delivery agent (e.g., to procmail) might want to look. For anyone running qmail, you also get a nice replacement for qmail-smtpd. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Evolution sucks??
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 03:27:06PM -0500, Tom Buskey wrote: Well, they all suck. EXMH doesn't work well over a remote low bandwidth link MH doesn't do graphics well Neither works well with IMAP severs Gmail leaves all your stuff on Goggle and won't sync contacts/calendar well Yahoo! has too many ads Outlook syncs well (for some $$) but isn't that good w/ trojans (and is expensive) Pine's license doesn't allow redistribution Thunderbird is fairly heavyweight Mutt just sucks less then all the others. Emacs has too many email clients in it. Blackberry has too small a screen POP clients usually tie you to one computer Did I leave anyone out? I liked the feel of Mulberry, but it had a too many glitches whenever I tried it. That company is defunct; people seem to have hopes for it going open source, I have no idea about that. One that's high on my to-try list is Mahogany, at http://mahogany.sourceforge.net/ I'd be interested to hear opinions if anybody is using it. At this point I'm a steady 'mutt' user (in combination with my own wonderful mail delivery agent :) ). Mutt's IMAP implementation is less than wonderful, though. But it aligns with my keystroke orientation, and it has some features for displaying non-text content. It also has a reasonably good threading/sorting implementation (tho not perfect) -- threading is essential, IMHO. And it has several ways of dealing with reply-to-list. mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Evolution sucks??
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 03:49:25PM -0500, Ric Werme wrote: Perhaps the olde ways are best. I wrote an editor I wrote in RT-11's visual TECO and ported to Mark Mallet's TED on CP/M for my Heathkit H89. Absolutely nothing to do with anything about this list, but since it was brought up: I long ago lost the sources to TED (not to mention dozens of other things for many platforms). I uploaded TED sources to various places at one point, including the old Andover C-Node and some other prominent BBSs, so one would think it would be out there somewhere. If anybody happens to have it, I'd be happy to have a copy back. Then again, lost includes the fact that I probably have several copies sitting on 8 DSDD floppy disks in my cellar, with no way to read them (even assuming they are readable). -mm- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Spam and mailing lists
On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 08:42:44PM -0400, mike ledoux wrote: On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 07:16:05PM -0400, Travis Roy wrote: Since I suggested it I should probably explain why I suggested this change. It's very simple... I perfer that mailing lists have the name of the list in the subject. That's all. I could adjust my mail client or maybe create a .procmailrc entry to :0: this into a different mbox, but I don't... I'm not into e-mail segregation and a quick glance of [listname] is just visual appealing and easy to do a quick mental sort. I'm with Kenta. I find it odd that mailman still doesn't offer this as one of the things you can personalize (when the list admin enables personalization). Unless I've missed it, and it does offer it:) But I took a tour of the mailman docs, as I did another time this came up (a couple of years ago, and not here). We've been through this before on the list, many times, and it always works out that the majority of people who state a preference prefer not to have the Subject: line munged. If you want it, and are running procmail or can run procmail, it is simple enough to add it yourself. Here's a rule to start with (not tested, just off the top of my head): :0fwh * ^List-Id:.*gnhlug-discuss | sed '/^Subject:/s// [gnhlug-discuss]/' IMHO it's a little tougher than that; you need to account for Re: and Fwd: and other common syntax items, and for '[gnhlug-discuss]' already being there (because somebody has procmail'd it in and not stripped it out when they replied). Much better to have the stripping adding munging done by the MLM. -mm- (who is not in favor of subject-line tagging, but would not be affected if it were a personalization option) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Spam and mailing lists
On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 07:26:55AM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On 10/16/06, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, world! I'm a bit surprised we haven't heard from any Postfix or qmail fans in this thread. Perfect holy war folder here, people, come on. :) Choices are fun, and not just for having a war. sendmail, postfix, and exim have all done a good job over the past few years of adding some hooks for filtering requirements. Among other things, sendmail has its milter interface; postfix has its policy daemon interface, and now (2.3?) has an initial stab at milter interface too; exim has a nice built-in extension language. Whereas the official qmail package is fixed in time at about 1998, but has a bazillion patches and patchers. Although that's a dig, qmail is mainly what we use. One aspect of qmail is that it's architected as lots of modules each handling one piece of its mail flow. This is both good and bad. There are open source replacements for some of qmail's pieces, and as I mentioned, patches for others. qmail is not just another choice, it's a gateway into another universe of choices :) The qmail setup here is, briefly: - stock qmail with a number of performance-improving patches applied. - from-scratch replacement of qmail-smtpd (SMTP receiver), written by me. This includes the same scripting language as is contained in the MDA that I use (i.e., a procmail alternative). - a side daemon, the mail client assessment daemon, that the smtpd daemon consults for advice about how to deal with incoming connections. The combination of smtpd daemon and client assessment daemon is very powerful. It supports a feedback loop where bad client action can be remembered and acted on (and where feedback can come from other sources, such as post-delivery assessment); it gives a central control interface (e.g. allowing one to administratively shun certain senders and have the block expire automatically, or having a web form where senders can remove their own blocks); it helps enables things like greylisting and other techniques; it can coordinate activity and policy across multiple receivers; and other things that you can probably imagine. But you can do some or all of these things with milters and policy daemons too. Anyway, you asked, so there's a qmail side. -mm- (forgotting, I am sure, something else I was going to say.) PS: you mentioned running sendmail 8.13.1 -- you might want to look into updating that. There have been one or more security updates since then, tho I don't recall offhand if any were exploitable. But there was at least one DOS type. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Sendmail 'Too many connections' problem
On Sat, Sep 09, 2006 at 08:58:40PM -0400, Steven W. Orr wrote: On Saturday, Sep 9th 2006 at 20:17 -0400, quoth Jeff Macdonald: =On 9/9/06, Steven W. Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = = Can someone please tell me what the incantation is to limit the number of = simultaneous connections to a particular server? = = =Try SingleThreadDelivery and HostStatusDirectory options. I don't see how this helps. Me either, except a little. Did you figure out a solution? I'm kinda surprised that sendmail is making lots of connections when running the queue. OTOH... maybe it's making the connections when the messages are being given to sendmail? Perhaps you could try telling it to queue everything and deliver out of the queue (DeliveryMode=q). mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: missing GNHLUG mail/GMail/SpamCop/SpamAssassin
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 10:33:53AM -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote: On Sep 11, 2006, at 13:00, Seth Cohn wrote: Spamcop, like most of the anti-spam trackers, have ended up on the wrong side of cautious, and blacklist sites for the most minor of infractions. While figuring out what was happening with this, I found someone state a useful way of thinking about this: Spamcop just tells you whether a machine is sending spam or not - what you decide to do with it is up to you. So, I've decided not to use SpamCop as a blacklist, just as a minor score incrementer and will be ignoring its opinion of large mailers. Same goes for rfc-ignorant.org BL's; yeah, Yahoo! ignores abuse and postmaster mail. But I simply can't throw all mail from Yahoo! users in the Junk folder. Still, it's useful information for unknown domains. indeed spamcop can be pretty trigger-happy; using as the ONLY decision point can give you headaches. Although I do use it that way for some netblocks, like if it comes from (e.g.) China and is on spamcop then it may get blocked outright. (That sort of thing is getting phased out here, though, in favor of more hands-off reputation-based controls.) I've heard of people using rfc-ignorant perversely: i.e. if it's on rfc-ignorant, that makes it *more* acceptable. As for the original problem (losing gnhlug-discuss messages), it's really a good idea to whitelist things like mailing lists that you are on.. For this list I key off of the list-id using a hdrctls database (very opaque reference :-) ): list-id:gnhlug-discuss.mail.gnhlug.org::[M/nl] mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Latest shenanigans with rcn
On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 11:06:58AM -0400, Steven W. Orr wrote: I am routing all the email that I send that will not be accepted from my server through RCN's smtp server. So yes, the 400 series code is coming from RCN. RCN has no limit on the number of messages per day that are being sent. What I am experiencing is that there seems to be a delay of around 15 or 20 minutes resulting from a 400 series code. (400 means not now. try again later.) The actual text that I get back from RCN is Too many connections. too many connections is probably different from too many messages and it probably means what it says, I would think. i.e. that there are too many connections to the SMTP port and the server is not accepting more at the moment. What it doesn't say is whether it's too many connections from you personally, or too many connections overall. Are you running mail software that will gleefully open up lots of simultaneous connections to the same host (e.g., like qmail does)? If so, maybe that's it; if not, then maybe they are just bogged down with lots of connections from different sources. The fact that it's Tuesday (often a high spam day) after a holiday weekend (often a high demand day) might figure in there somewhere. Anyway... I think we can expect mail rate-limiting and rate-monitoring to become more prevalent as providers try harder to get a handle on preventing outgoing abuse, not just on blocking incoming badstuff. -mm- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Help with sed script?
On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 03:33:39PM -0400, Michael ODonnell wrote:
I'm trying to use sed to rewrite lines in a config file that
have a target string 'xyz' in them surrounded by whitespace
and which are NOT commented out with a hash sign and which
may or may not have leading whitespace. This expression:
sed -r -e
'/^[[:space:]]*[^#].*[[:space:]]+xyz[[:space:]]*/{s/^.*$/REWRITTEN/}'
...mostly works:
echo 'abc xyz' | sed -r -e
'/^[[:space:]]*[^#].*[[:space:]]+xyz[[:space:]]*/{s/^.*$/REWRITTEN/}'
REWRITTEN
echo ' abc xyz' | sed -r -e
'/^[[:space:]]*[^#].*[[:space:]]+xyz[[:space:]]*/{s/^.*$/REWRITTEN/}'
REWRITTEN
echo '#abc xyz' | sed -r -e
'/^[[:space:]]*[^#].*[[:space:]]+xyz[[:space:]]*/{s/^.*$/REWRITTEN/}'
#abc xyz
...but the part that's gonna make me go postal is that it seems
like *any* leading whitespace makes the entire expression match
even when it really shouldn't:
echo ' #abc xyz' | sed -r -e
'/^[[:space:]]*[^#].*[[:space:]]+xyz[[:space:]]*/{s/^.*$/REWRITTEN/}'
REWRITTEN
I'm probably missing something obvious but at this point I
could sure use a few whacks with a clue-stick...
I think in the last example, the first space is matching the not '#'
clause. So it's seeing the input as zero spaces followed by a non-'#'
(a space).
Maybe something like this, which uses a notted selector for the commented-out
portion and then moves the substitution pattern into the s/../../ function:
sed -r -e \
'/^[[:space:]]*#/!s/^.*[[:space:]]xyz.*$/REWRITTEN/'
It seems to pass a few simple cases, I haven't tested it exhaustively.
mm
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Re: helpful amanda script
I used to write while-loop wrapper scripts like that to monitor various things, until about a year ago when I discovered the watch(1) command, which clears the screen and then runs a command repeatedly forever. Yet another thing that keeps getting re-implemented :) I think I first saw it as vis in the 1980s. Yeah, the man page says: Originally written by Dan Heller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). It has been substantially enhanced and generalized by George M. Sipe (currently - 7/88, at rebel!george) to the point where Dan would no longer recognize it. There's a more recent 'vis' that has no similarities (other than being a program of some sort, etc), so I have tended to rename the older one 'vvis' I also recall another version of the same thing that you could type commands at while it was running, but I can't find that one now. mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: UPSes - MinuteMan, others?
I used to, for some reason, insist on using online UPS rather than standby; this led me to Intellipower: http://www.intellipower.com/ I dunno if I ought to mention them though. We bought a number of rounds of them over a few years (from, say, 1991 through 1997). The ones we bought worked pretty well, right up until they didn't :) While they all lasted 5+ years, most of them long enough to go through more than one set of batteries, each one ended up having electronics failures eventually. I dunno if this is an issue with always having the inverter going, though; maybe somebody here knows. And battery replacement wasn't always easy. These days we are using standby units, mostly (if not entirely) APC. BTW there used to be a place over on the west side of Manchester that had a small warehouse of UPS-like stuff and who sometimes had interesting things for sale. Wish I could remember the name. mm (who has, like others, heard good things about minuteman) (or you could get one of those flywheel systems..) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Time flies when you're chasing bugs and LARTing lusers
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 03:35:53PM -0400, Bill Mullen wrote: That's right, it's here again ... Happy SysAdmin Day to everyone in GNHLUG! http://www.sysadminday.com/ How self-serving :-) (wait for it ...) mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Stupid question regarding Thunderbird and IMAP
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 05:16:06PM -0400, Dan Jenkins wrote: Fred wrote: Thanks to both you and John. It is definitely using the mbox format. I'll have to switch it to using Maildir, but wonder about converting the mbox to Maildir in the many existing folders across many existing accounts. Fun city... Ok, well, I know enough now to know what to do. The one I've used is called mbox2maildir. I've seen a couple variations of a script by that name. The one that's on the qmail.org site has the annoying (to me) property that it unilaterally removes the source mbox when it is done. Me, I commented out the unlink at the end since I'd really rather control that behaviour outside of the script. Whatever tool you find and use, you might want to check for this. (Then again, hopefully you will try it out first on a copy of mbox-mailboxes in some test area, and notice if it does bad things.) Also, the scripts by that name that I have seen are fairly bare-bones in that they make no attempt to set the newly created file date/times or preserve any meta-data (all of which is pretty hard to guess about anyway). mm BTW we use dovecot, and have one system using dovecot with mboxes without issue that I know of. 'tho that system it's not used by very many people, and I have no idea if any of them are using Thunderbird. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Stupid question regarding Thunderbird and IMAP
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 06:50:58PM -0400, Fred wrote: What is it that KMail is doing that the other clients are not? KMail has no problem creating subdirs though IMAP. So -- presumably -- there must be something in the IMAP protocol that allows KMail to deal with the mbox limitations. BTW, what dovecot version are you using? It ought to be newer than a 0.99.xx version. The dovecot list is pretty active, and it's a good place to get info like this. There are some workarounds that you can enable in its config file, and I notice that one of them talks about a Thunderbird issue, as follows: # tb-extra-mailbox-sep: # With mbox storage a mailbox can contain either mails or submailboxes, # but not both. Thunderbird separates these two by forcing server to # accept '/' suffix in mailbox names in subscriptions list. Maybe if you enable that? mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Time sink [was Re: 3KID, is this a new operating system?]
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 12:00:15PM -0400, Gregory Smith wrote: ***On Thu 11:57a Jul 13 Mark Komarinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote*** Michael Costolo wrote: If anyone has any hints about how to get to 23 (solving has_9), I'd love to hear them. Same here. -Mark hint: 23 has 9 things Anyone get 28 yet? We (here at work) made it to 30 yesterday. I gather that others on the list did, too. mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Time sink [was Re: 3KID, is this a new operating system?]
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 12:36:32PM -0400, Travis Roy wrote: We (here at work) made it to 30 yesterday. I gather that others on the list did, too. Is there a good payoff at least? I wish there was a fountain of youth, or a rainbow. All I got was a little unecessary smugness. Does it show? :-) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: 3KID, is this a new operating system?
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 11:36:10AM -0400, Gregory Smith wrote: French! yep :-) (got it before I saw this tho) mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: 3KID, is this a new operating system?
But it was more more fun to find via google-imbd-some french movie with sept in the title. funny, I had a more serendipitous connection (I had actually been using the word just yesterday) OK, smarty, how do I get to 14 then? (please, please, please) That's the one I am sitting on now. The 13 one has an interesting property, but I'm not sure it's relevant. there's also something about the 12, 13 sequence that might mean something. more time-wastage will undoubtedly tell ;-) mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: 3KID, is this a new operating system?
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 02:27:05PM -0400, Drew Van Zandt wrote: I'm stuck there too... the only thing that comes to mind is guilty by association I kept thinking that, too. but I haven't expressed that in a form that works, so it's probably wrong. ditto. still, it seems that the ... is what has to be filled in, so that seems like a good answer even if it's the wrong one :) My other observation was that the number of non-blank characters in the 13 screen was 13. Probably just a coincidence. mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: 3KID, is this a new operating system?
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 03:16:55PM -0400, Brian Chabot wrote: Gregory Smith wrote: OK, I got it, y'all are close, but it's a different phrase, not very well known (to me) What number was that again? I'm still stuck on 14... I'm thinking I got the syntax wrong, but I've tried all the varients I could for: 14, Valentines Day ... (from Bingo) 14, not unlucky ... (Not 13 any more) 14, lucky lucky ... (twice 7) ...and I really can't think of much else... Tried the above with various capitalisations, with and without spaces, the comma, and elipses. Somebody at work gave me the answer for 14. However, it was something that I considered about a hundred times, but rejected because it completes the phrase for 13, NOT a phrase for 14. Since it isn't looking for something about the next number, I consider that a busted entry in the quiz. so now it's a lot less interesting. but I might continue anyway :) mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: 3KID, is this a new operating system?
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 05:04:30PM -0400, Michael Costolo wrote: Anyone else get to 20? I'm guessing that's the end. 20 is not the end :-) mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: 3KID, is this a new operating system?
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 05:18:45PM -0400, mike ledoux wrote: On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 02:59:30PM -0400, Gregory Smith wrote: I'm stuck there too... the only thing that comes to mind is guilty by association I kept thinking that, too. OK, I got it, y'all are close, but it's a different phrase, not very well known (to me) Hrm. In my attempts to get to 14, I find myself at a page containing only: 196 I can't seem to figure out how that represents 14, so I think I may have accidentally skipped ahead. apply your mental powers. (that's a hint, but email me if you want the answer and somebody hasn't sent it already) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: QMail help
On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 02:33:08PM -0400, Tom Faska wrote: If you have not seen it yet go to http://www.qmail.org/ for information on QMail. Another very useful site is http://www.lifewithqmail.org/. I switched from QMail to Postfix several years ago but may still remember enough to help if you get stuck. There's also a qmail newsgroup (alt.comp.mail.qmail) that is reasonably good, and of course a qmail mailing list if you want to expose yourself to it :) We use qmail predominantly here; I may also be able to help if needed. Although I've hacked on it so much (including replacing the qmail-smtpd portion with one written from scratch) I may no longer have the right perspective. mm ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
