Re: Administrivia: Subject line tagging
In a message dated: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:21:32 EDT Jason Stephenson said: I have a request that I'd like to put up for discussion. I think it would be very handy if subject lines of messages sent to/from the gnhglug lists were prepended with the list name in brackets. This would facilitate filtering of messages into appropriate mail folders without having to scan all the headers looking for the right bit of information. As it is now, messages to the discuss list could contain [EMAIL PROTECTED] or gnhlug-discuss@ or not even contain those if the message was a BCC. (Why you'd BCC to a list, I don't know, but you could.) This procmail recipe has been working on gnhlug mail for me for more than a decade with very few changes: :0 * ^(From|TO|Cc):.*(gnhlug) |rcvstore +Mlists/GNHLUG Note the distinct lack of a 'Subject' line search criteria. Seems that every weekend when I plan to do this, my wife comes up with some more important to do. Wives are like that :) I've got so many projects on my 'ToDo' list it's ridiculous. That's why I'm a sysadmin, I go to work to play with things I think would be fun to do at home ;) Anyway, I think that subject line tagging would be helpful. What do others think? Personally, I hate it. It adds a minimum of 8 characters to the subject line for absolutely no gain (at least to me). Also, I often read e-mail on my cell phone, which has a non-threaded mail client. It's really tough to tell which messages you want to read when you only have 6-10 characters for the subject line. To have every message with a subject of [ GNHLUG ] or worse, Re: [ GNHL would be a royal p.i.t.a. My vote (for what that's worth) is no. Thanks for asking though :) Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Time (was: GIMP 2.0 Release Party?)
In a message dated: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:29:39 EDT Michael ODonnell said: Paul Lussier wrote: Yet this isn't the first time someone has been nonplussed by a less-then-instantaneous response. Can one be 'plussed' ? Um, isn't that your email address? Touche ;) Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Time (was: GIMP 2.0 Release Party?)
In a message dated: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 18:28:42 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 2On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, at 1:55pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been hard at work getting my presentation put together ... On Fri, 16 Apr 2004, at 12:43pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a little dismayed that there has been zero response to my message about GIMP 2.0 And you waited a whole 23 hours, even. We also don't give others enough time to process things, either. For example, I'm real busy at work right now, so I can't always find time during the week to read this list. I'm averaging reading this list about once a month if I'm lucky lately :) Yet this isn't the first time someone has been nonplussed by a less-then-instantaneous response. Can one be 'plussed' ? Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Server/mail/naming setup theory
In a message dated: 13 Apr 2004 22:51:46 EDT Derek Doucette said: On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 19:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In addition to the problems inherent in trying to hit a moving target, we have the following value-added difficulties: You are using DNS records with a low TTL (60 seconds) to try and work around the fact that you have a dynamic IP address. Some systems ignore TTLs of such small values (typically, anything less then a day or an hour gets ignored). This means that, when your IP address changes, some systems will not catch on immediately. AOL falls into this category. If we're talking about the derek.homeunix.org domain, then I'm going to guess that this is also a DynaDNS.org in which case, I don't think there's any control over the DNS config for things like TTL, as they set it, not you. Some operators have configured their mail exchangers to reject mail coming from dynamic IP addresses. They use blacklists of netblocks known to be used by dynamic providers (such as Adelphia). You will be unable to exchange mail with these systems. AOL falls into this category. This could be, but like I said, I can get mail from aol account to deucedaily.org account, its just the derek.homeunix.org ones that fail. deucedaily.org may not be on an AOL blacklist, but it wouldn't surprise me if *.homeunix.org is since this, and several others are all owned by DynaDNS.org. This means it's relatively easy to block based on destination domain name. Some operators have configured their mail exchangers to do reverse DNS lookups. This means they take the address your own MX is connecting from, and do a reverse DNS lookup on it. If they do not get a response, they refuse your mail. Your current address (68.235.175.211 as I write this) does reverse properly, but if that does not always occur, you may lose mail. This is what the problem is I believe, so I think I want to change the configuration of postfix to accept mail going to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, you want something which will answer when AOL performs a reverse DNS lookup on the MX record. So, for example, if you assume that the DNS record for your site is: derek.homeunix.org. IN A 68.235.175.211 AOL is going to do a reverse DNS lookup on 68.235.175.211 and it's needs to get a response to that query. AOL is likely also looking for an MX record, which you don't have: $ dig derek.homeunix.org +short 68.235.175.211 pll$ dig derek.homeunix.org MX +short pll$ What you want is something like: $ dig gnhlug.org MX +short 10 gnhlug.org. To do this, configure for derek.homeunix.org at DynaDNS.org's site for your host an MX record under the host config page. I set mine up to be the actual hostname my ISP provides for my IP address. For you that would be '68-235-175-211.chvlva.adelphia.net.': pll$ host derek.homeunix.org derek.homeunix.org has address 68.235.175.211 pll$ host 68.235.175.211 211.175.235.68.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 68-235-175-211.chvlva.adelphia.net. So, at DynaDNS.org's site, go to the config page for your host and enter '68-235-175-211.chvlva.adelphia.net.' into the MX field. this should yield you MX record lookups like this: pll$ dig derek.homeunix.org MX +short 10 68-235-175-211.chvlva.adelphia.net. Another note: You have no MX record for derek.homeunix.org. Now, the standards very clearly state that, in the absence of an MX record, a mail exchanger should try looking for an A record, and connect to any address found, as if an MX record existed and resolved to that address. However, there is some broken software in the world that only recognizes MX records. So you may want to add derek.homeunix.org. MX 10 derek.homeunix.org. to your DNS zone, even though it is technically redundant. Again, useful info, and why I'm looking to you guys for help, I think this is the main stuff I'm looking for, that and some specifics on postfix setup, I'm still somewhat a newbie in this area. Except that DynaDNS.org doesn't allow this. It enforces the entry of something which resolves to an A record. I am looking into getting off of the old domain name ... Could you please provide the actual domain name(s) in question? It makes things a lot easier if we can just run tests directly, rather then trying to guess. I think you have gotten it by now, but for those who didnt: old domain: derek.homeunix.org new domain: deucedaily.org If that's the case, then why do we care about it? Or is this just an educational session? (which is perfectly okay, I just want to understand why your bothing with a domain name you're abandoning :) Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right!
Anyone want...
an old full-height AT-style tower case? It's an old 486, which is likley not worth the trouble (it still works just fine, btw) but I thought someone might have a use for the case. Lemme know or it's headed for a computer recycling dumpster :) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: printing a file from cron using cups and/or lpd
In a message dated: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:26:51 EST Greg Rundlett said: That's what I originally thought, but when I Googled for something like Kprinter Cups +print from shell or something along those lines, I couldn't find anything, so I went off on the wrong tangent. Err, I'm confused as to what you're trying to do. Assuming you have a cups server properly configured somewhere, and a cups client configured to use that server, you should be able to simply do: lp -dprinter name file.name I do this daily and it just works. If you have the cups-bsd package (at least on Debian) then you should be able to run 'lpd' instead of 'lp'. But this also requires running the lpd to lp daemon on the client to properly convert things to the way the cups server expects to receive them. -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: where does +detail come from?
In a message dated: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 01:02:23 +0900 Derek Martin said: AFAIK it's not a thingy that was slipped in. It really is a standard part of the email addressing scheme. It's possible to disable it but why would you? No, I'm pretty sure that's not true. IIRC RFC 822 (and its bastard step-cousins) only say that what is on the left side of the '@' is up to the individual implementation. RFC 822 and 2822 do *not* specify this as Derek stated. Further, it is *not* a standard, it is a convention, and there are a lot of reasons to disable it (though most reasons are probably pretty lame IMO :) I'm also pretty sure that some other MTAs (either postfix and/or qmail) use a '-' instead of a '+' to implement this feature, making it at least non-standard in practice. I believe postfix, qmail, and sendmail all let you *choose* the character. The default is '+', but one of them (can't remember which) defaults to '%' instead (or so I've heard, I've not confirmed this). Also, in case anyone cares, I've since found out that +detail addressing seems to have begun with the Andrew Mail System from CMU in either the mid-to-late 80s or early 90s. Though I've not yet found anything definitive on this. -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: where does +detail come from?
In a message dated: 25 Mar 2004 13:57:25 EST Kevin D. Clark said: Jeff Macdonald writes: It is most annoying when sign up forms don't allow + as I use it as a way to tag my address with a vendor's name (ie [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Palm). If mail comes from somewhere besides the vendor - well, then you know he sold your address. Two comments: 1: I wouldn't be surprised if spammers strip out +detail from their list of email addresses, either to be more annoying or else to increase the size of their unique email list. Well, I would expect spammers to strip them out, but not vendors. If the marketing people at various vendors are as intelligent as the ones I've worked with over the years, they still can't figure out how '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' keeps getting added to the list of addresses to receive said company's spam :) 2: If you're relying upon this technique to filter out future spam, you're probably going to be disappointed. If [EMAIL PROTECTED]@blah gets sold to a spammer, you can be sure that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is going to start getting spam, and you won't know who sold your address. I don't fully rely upon it for this reason. Though I've started to use it heavily for sorting. Obviously I don't need this for procmail, but to do server-side sorting on a closed server it comes in real handy if that server is running Cyrus IMAP, which will look at the right side of the '+' and drop the e-mail into a like-named folder automagically for you :) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
where does +detail come from?
I'm looking for the definingin moment in history where someone realized/thought/came up with the idea that allowing 'user+detail' in e-mail addresses was a good idea. Someone mentioned they first saw it in relation to CMU addresses in the early '80s, which makes me think it came from Andrew Mail or something. Does anyone have any more specific information than that? Thanks, Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: p2p, anonymity and security
In a message dated: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 01:04:41 +0900 Derek Martin said: Note also that I said basically -- perhaps my choice of words was sub-optimal, but I included this word to suggest the possibility that this is not actually what you intend to do. Nevertheless, what you actually said was this: I also want to get a general purpose p2p tool similar to Napster, for sharing ogg, mp3 or other multimedia files. The number one prerequisite here is which tool/protocol offers the best anonymity. Whether or not you actually plan to violate the law, you clearly want to share types of files which exist primarily, almost to the exclusion of anything else, to represent music digitally. The usual case is for such files to be ripped from copyrighted CDs. You mention Napster, a tool notoriously associated with copyright infringement. And how do you, and of these supposed lawyers know that he is not planning on re-distributing stuff he has legally downloaded from furthur.net, which exists solely to distribute LEGALLY redistributable music in the form of MP3, SHN, OGG, and other formats (including videos) ? What he stated was not something that reads of illegal intent, what he stated was an intent to share music. It is the copyright of the music which makes it's sharing legal or illegal. For all the RIAA lawyers out there, I have legally downloaded gigabytes worth of music from furthur.net just so I NO LONGER NEED TO BUY YOUR CRAP :) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: p2p, anonymity and security
In a message dated: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 01:04:41 +0900 Derek Martin said: It is not unreasonable for people to believe you mean to violate the law, based on what you've said. It is very likely that the paranoid (i.e. the RIAA's watchdogs) will make such assumptions. It won't matter much if you did or didn't, should they decide to try to convince some judge that it IS your intention, and if they convince the judge... Either way, your home will be raided, and your system will be confiscated. You may well not go to jail, but if it were me at the very least it would wreck my day... They have to have a LOT more proof than Greg saying he wants to share music and stay annonymous to raid his house. They'd at least need proof has shared or downloaded illegal content. Saying you intend to do something is not illegal, it is the doing something that is illegal. If all they have is what Greg said here, they have nothing to warrant a suppoena. -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: List Archive (Was: Re: p2p, anonymity and security)
In a message dated: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:01:11 EST Travis Roy said: If I see a phone number for somebody posted in a town hall, public library, the corner store, and somebody asks me for that persons number I'm going to give it to them without even thinking about it. If I see it at work, I might give the number to other people at work, but not people outside of work. Hmm, interesting. If someone asks me for someone elses phone number, my reply is, Give me yours and I'll have them give you a call. Unless, I know absolutely for sure, without a doubt, the person in question wouldn't mind me giving the phone number to the person asking for it. But that's me. I hate phone calls, it's much easier to avoid answering an e-mail. Also, people can't easily track down where you live by an e-mail address (sure, in most cases it's possible, but in others it's not). -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Stuff for sale cheap
Hi all, I'm cleaning out my office, and I've got some stuff I need to get rid of: - Adtran CSU/DSU (I'd like $100) - TriNexus Orbitor 1WAN/1LAN port router (I'd like $150, ebay has one for $199, US list is $250) (both were used w/ a 56K frame relay line I used to have installed here.) - Dell P990 19 flat screen monitor. (I'd like $100, e-bay has a P990 for $150) - Chipcom 5108H 10Mb 8 port ethernet hub (best offer) - US Robotics 33.6 Sportster Modem (free) (I think it can be flash upgraded to 56K) - 2 PS/2 Keyboards (free) Please let me know if anyone is interested. -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Desktop apps
In a message dated: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 09:26:48 EST Brian Chabot said: Kevin D. Clark wrote: Greg Rundlett writes: A decent file comparison and merge tool. FYI: I use ediff mode under emacs for this all the time and I am very happy with this tool. This mode handles directory trees and three-way merges as well. And, if I have to massage the code a tiny bit after applying a diff, I can just resort to using the emacs commands that I know very well at this point. Aunt Tillie says she can't understand Emacs. I get the distinct impression that Aunt Tillie isn't using Linux, nor is she doing a 3-way merge of anything :) Seriously, though it works great, this is not a tool for the masses. Kate sure, Kwrite yup. OOWriter, of course, but not Emacs. If you have need to do a three-way merge, you can handle Emacs. You may not be *willing* to, but that's a different problem. Emacs is powerful and as a result, it can be intimidating, but if you're going to do a lot of editing of any kind, there is no better tool. Even if you need to write a book, I'd argue that you'd be better off writing the book in Emacs first, then importing into a word/document processing tool at the end to format it. It may not be the way most people do things, but I'm willing to bet if most took the time to try it, they'd find they were more productive in the end. How about a nice, universal package manager? Not Alien, but something more userfriendly. Something that will automatically figure out recursive layers of dependencies, search all kinds of archives for them, and do it all automagically (with just user confirmation...) Like apt? ;) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Desktop apps
In a message dated: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 23:00:25 EST Greg Rundlett said: Regarding emacs...I once looked at Emacs, and it seemed to speak a different language than I do. I'll have to look at it again. If all you do is look at it, then you will likely come to the same conclusion again. Install XEmacs, then run the tutorial. Use the tutorial for even just 15 minutes. This isn't reading documentation, it's actually using (X)Emacs to edit the actual tutorial you're going through. The tutorial explains the basics of using Emacs as an editor. Within 5 minutes, you've already learned a tremendous amount about how to use Emacs effectively. I just jumped into the tutorial and within 30 seconds learned something I had previously either not known, or completely forgotten :) Don't think of learning Emacs as a monumental chore, rather, think of it as an constant incremental investment. There is no more powerful editor. You may like or dislike Emacs for whatever reasons, but you can't argue that it doesn't do something :) (heck, I just discovered emacs-wiki mode yesterday, and already like it better than any other wiki tool I've played with :) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Samba related question.
In a message dated: 11 Feb 2004 13:08:26 EST Kenneth E. Lussier said: DHCP doesn't assign hostnames, it assigns IP addresses (and other various info). Well, that's not exactly true, among the 'other various info' you mention, DHCP can and is used to assign: - hostnames - IP addresses - DNS servers - NIS servers - WINS servers - Bootp servers - and 'other various info' :) DNS is used to resolve those IP addresses to names. You can have a box that has foo for a hostname, 192.168.1.2 for an IP address, and an entry in DNS that resolves 192.168.1.2 to the name bar.domain.com. You can ping 192.168.1.2 or bar.domain.com, but the name foo will show up in network neighborhood and it cannot be ping'd by foo (if there is a WINS server in the picture, you can make this even more convoluted). Actually, the name 'foo' might NOT show up in NetworkNeighborhood. Ping usually uses a gethostbyname() call to resolve hostnames to IP addresses and gethostbyname() usually will try all available resolution mechanisms, WINS, DNS, etc. So ping will succeed if DNS is properly configured to refer to a DNS server which will resolve the IP for foo properly. NN, on the other hand usually only uses WINS for resolution, which is why, when you open up NN, you only see a 'Microsoft Network' icon, which, when clicked, either shows you nothing, or only other Windows systems. However, if you install UNIX Services for Windows, you will also see NFS servers. (Remember, MS view of the world seems to be that there are only 2 types of servers, Print and File. If you have USW installed, then it only shows you NFS servers and LPR/LPD servers). -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Samba related question.
In a message dated: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:51:49 EST Andrew W. Gaunt said: Just to cut to the chase, it looks as thought you would could make things better by setting the linux box up as a DNS server that serves a local domain (with info re: stuff on the LAN in its zone file) and caches/forwards everything else. Then configure the clients (including the client side of the linux box's DNS) use it as a DNS server. I get the impression that this is a small business environment without overly tech-savy people. In which case, I would consider the configuration of a DNS server to be more trouble than it's worth. All the Windows systems are already likely configured to broadcast WINS data, so it would be trivial to configure Samba to handle the job of WINS server. Also, it needs next to no upkeep, since any new clients would automatically broadcast their existence and partake in a WINS election. DNS on the otherhand, would require at the least, manual entry/assignment of hostnames/IPs for each new client. If memory serves, the OP mentioned that the network was handled via DHCP from a SOHO router. This means that there is likely no static assignment of IP addresses. Something which would cause problems if dependant on statically assigned data in DNS. Of course, he configure DHCP w/ dynamic DNS on a Linux box, but again, this is all a lot more work than adding a 'WINS = yes' statement to a Samba config file and being done with it. -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Samba related question.
In a message dated: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:21:36 EST Ed Lawson said: That would be the rational way, but this person has zero experience with Linux and telling him, OK, now we are going to set up a DNS might put him over the edge. OTOH, I suspect we could spend no small amount of time klutzing around with half baked solutions. Agreed. You want to set up Samba as a WINS server. It's the easiest and simplest solution. Both expedient in the near term, and the least time consuming or troubling to maintain long term. I would like to know how the Windows boxes on my network know the name of my Linux box running Samba with no DNS or host files beyond the one on the router. One of your systems is acting as a WINS server. Samba likely has, at the very least, a 'netbios name' statement and possibly even a 'workgroup' statement which is the same on all your Windows boxes. (the deault 'workgroup' for both Windows and Samba is 'WORKGROUP' usually). I believe by default, Samba will, if the config file does not contain a 'netbios name' statement, use the system's hostname as it's 'netbios name' and broadcast that the local network. As a result, whichever system is the WINS server will notice that system and announce it to all clients which register with it. There is *always* a WINS server on a network unless you explicitly tell all Windows systems not to try to be one(actually, I'm not even sure you can do that!). There's a whole election system built into the protocol such that the one most qualified to be the server WINS (pun intended :) the election. So, that's how your Windows systems know the name of your Linux/Samba system. I just ran a test and it isn't getting that info via DHCP. One of the windows boxes is a dual boot machine when booted under Linux it cannot ping the Samba server by name, but can when booted under Windows. This is likely because when booted under Linux, there's no entry in your local /etc/hosts file for the Samba system. Plug an entry in the /etc/hosts system, and voila, you can ping the Samba system (Look Ma, no reboot either :) You should be able to ping the Samba server via IP address though, unless you numbered your network somewhat randomly and all hosts have different network assignments. If you're at all interested in understanding Windows networking more fully, I highly recommend the very first Samba book by John Blair. It's rather outdated, referring to Samba 1.x, but the first 3 chapters or so are an in-depth explanation to the twisted and contorted world of Windows Network protocols. I've yet to see another Samba book provide anywhere near as good an explanation of how this stuff works, and I think I've read them all :) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Samba related question.
In a message dated: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:42:05 EST Jeff Macdonald said: On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 12:21, Ed Lawson wrote: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:51:49 -0500 snip I just ran a test and it isn't getting that info via DHCP. One of the windows boxes is a dual boot machine when booted under Linux it cannot ping the Samba server by name, but can when booted under Windows. I've missed most of the thread, but Windows has something called WINS which I think is a variation on DNS. WINS is not a variation on DNS. They are similar only in that the last 2 letters of each are NS, and that they both assist computers in resolving IP-to-Hostname/Hostname-to-IP queries. You can also edit the lmhosts file and add a static entry there. But that's a maintenance hassle, and no one relies on lmhosts files anymore. Even MS realized that maintaining a hosts file on every system on a network was a bad idea and that there had to A Better Way. (why they thought that WINS was a better way is beyond me :) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Membership
In a message dated: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:41:00 EST Barry Millen said: A short question please. I have become intensely interested in migrating fully to Linux in the last 6 months and have bought a new whitebox for testing. Is their an active LUG in the north country? I live in Jefferson and my orbit is Berlin, Littleton etc although I would travel as far as Plymouth. Thank you for any help you can give as the northern group website just gives 404 messages. Hi Barry, and welcome to the world of Linux and Free/Open Source Software. I don't know quite what to tell you about the NNHLUG, I thought they were still active. I've cross-posted this to the main mailing list for GNHLUG, perhaps somewhere there will know more than I. As for help, there's plenty of it here on the main discussion list, and our Wiki/Website has a lot of information as well. This mailing list is loaded with experienced people who use Linux both personally and professionally. There are a number of Professional UNIX/Linux System Administrators on this list, myself included, and many, many more professionals in other areas of computing. Many of us have been using Linux since the very early days, and UNIX before that. Others like yourself, have come to Linux more recently. We'll be more than glad to attempt to help answer any questions you may have, so please join the mailing list and feel free to speak up and ask questions. I hope that helps. -- Paul Lussier Principal Systems and Network Engineer Co-Chairman, Greater New Hampshire Linux User's Group (GNHLUG) http://www.gnhlug.org Events: http://www.gnhlug.org/lug_cal/month.php ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: piercing corporate FW outbound
In a message dated: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 06:00:37 +0900 Derek Martin said: Damn, foiled by annoying reply-to headers. This reply was intended to be private. Gee, that's _never_ happened to *you* before ;) No harm was done in this case, The only harm I've ever seen you cause has been to cause yourself some rather amusing embarrassment :) This list carries abundant headers that allow mailers which are not brain-dead to automatically reply to the list; therefore OH NO! Not THIS discussion again! Look, no offense meant to anyone with any particular mail client, brain dead or not, but the decision to set the deaders to what they are has been made, and we've beaten this horse until it great-great-grand-children are dead and buried. Please, learn to deal with it. Yes, yes, I realize I should check my headers before I hit the send key; Yes, you should, especially since I've personally witnessed you screw this up when there weren't any headers improperly set. Every list is different, some set the headers, some don't. It's up to the readers of every list to figure out how each list they've subscribed to behaves and adjust their behavior appropriately. If there is ever an international header standard set, I promise you, we'll adhere to it. Until then, check your headers. This message is posted from an invalid address. Replying to it will result in undeliverable mail. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank the spammers. And you're bitching to us about headers? -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Python help
In a message dated: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 09:33:19 EST Erik Price said: Here's the Java implementation. Very cool! Thanks! Java requires even more verbosity. This is my general impression of Java. Is the verbosity a good thing or not? It seems verbose to the point of redundancy. Is this helpful, or does it just get in the way? It took longer to write, even though I had already prototyped the design in Python (the two designs are nearly identical), Was it just the verbosity of Java which made it take so long? and IMHO would also be more work to modify/extend. That said, if handed a several million-line application written by some other development team, I would rather the application be written in Java than Python. Why? Performance, cleaner code, more robust language? What makes Java better than Python for some things? What types of things is Java best at? import java.io.BufferedReader; import java.io.File; import java.io.FileReader; import java.io.IOException; import java.util.Arrays; import java.util.Iterator; import java.util.List; import java.util.SortedSet; import java.util.TreeSet; This almost seems rediculous :) 9 library imports, it seems that some should be so commonly used that they'd just be built-in or at least combined into something like stdio. Thanks a bunch. Part of trouble with learning languages is the lack of real world applications to try them out with. One reason I know perl so well is because the language is designed to do exactly what I do all the time; text munging. Something C and Java aren't especially efficient at it seems :) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Recommendations for Commercial Backup packages?
In a message dated: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:10:44 EST Dan Coutu said: I've got a client with a lame backup package that just isn't proving to be able to do disaster recovery. They have a RH Linux 9 server setup as the backup server and need to be able to backup another Linux server and a Windows server all onto a single SCSI tape drive. This part is easy. As for 'commercial', I stay away from all of them. For small-medium shops you can't beat the price/performance of AMANDA. It's free, the suppport mailing list is awesome, and it works with every SCSI tape drive/stacker I've ever tried it with. I've been using it for close to a decade now, and I've never lost a backup yet! (I've also never seen a commercial package as easy to use, with as many features as AMANDA has!) The solution must be capable of fully restoring all three systems to a brand new empty disk drive without having to first install the O/S. Now, this is the part I'm stumped on. If you don't have an O/S on the system, and your backups are stored on tape, the drive for which is on a separate system, how do you propose the system to be recovered get it's O/S restored to it's drives if it can't boot? At best, you can probably boot with a Linux recovery disk (Knoppix?) which has the backup client programs on it and restore that way. With AMANDA this should actually be pretty easy now that I think about it. But I think you'll be hard pressed to find anything else out there that can do things *that* easily. The best route for this would be a multi-step process: - Install/configure the system - Burn create a KickStart CD for it. - Update KS CD everytime you make a change to the system In the case of a disaster, boot using the KS CD to auto-install the O/S, the install/use the client backup packages to restore the latest images from tape on the remote backup system. Of course, this won't help you with the MS-based OS, only the RH-based ones. Though, if you used AMANDA, then the KNOPPIX idea is probably best, since you can then boot off the CDROM (or, with some creativity, via DHCP to an NFS mounted ISO image of KNOPPIX :) add the amanda client tools, and restore the drives of *any* system, including MS. Since the drives aren't mounted for anything, and you're running entirely off the CD or NFS, then you should be able to write the entire backup image to the local hard drive. I'm investigating Arkeia and NovaNet so far, other suggestions are welcome. BRU has been ruled out because it can't handle the Windows backup. Also note that remote backups over the net are also not going to fly. The backup data has to go onto tape. Errr, what does that mean? Above you said: They have a RH Linux 9 server setup as the backup server and need to be able to backup another Linux server and a Windows server all onto a single SCSI tape drive. How do you propose to back up 3 systems to a single tape drive if not over the network? Thanks for any hints, tips, war stories, etc. Have you read W. Curtis Preston's O'Reilly book on backups? I highly recommend you do if not. There's some great information in there, and he's widely recognized as _the_ backup guru. I also recommend you check out amanda. It's not 'commercial', but I have yet to find an affordable backup package that's as easy to use, with as good support! -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Comcast to raise prices again?
In a message dated: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 23:47:22 EST Scott Garman said: ***High-Speed Home Networking - NEW!*** When purchased with other Comcast cable/phone service: $52.95/mo. Standalone internet service: $67.95/mo. Gateway lease: $5/mo. So they really do intend to charge more ($10/mo. more, specifically) for home networks of up to five computers, says the fine print explaining what the new Home Networking service is. Sure they'll know if you sign up for this, they're renting you the router, that's the 'Gateway lease'. Note it's a Gateway not a Cable Modem. I have no problem with this. They're charging a fee for coming in, setting up several different computers, a gateway, and getting this all to work. Anyone who doesn't know what they're doing probably would jump at this. Stick with the single cable modem lease, use your own router, and you should be fine. -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Recycling old computer equipment query
In a message dated: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:21:39 EST Kurth Bemis said: Thier at http://www.electronicycle.com/ Great find Thanks for the link (I'm 10 minutes from them and never knew it :) If I recall, things must be on pallets or in gaylords (those HUGE cardborad boxes) and I think that it's .25 per pound. I don't think so, from their web site: Our dock is open for anyone with any size delivery. You are welcome to stop by with one old TV or computer. Many choose to ship us small items by UPS or similar carriers. In either case, please contact us first for a dock appointment or shipping instructions. Thank you for recycling! Maybe this could be a community service project for the GNHLUG? Not a bad idea! -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Personal mail habits [was Blackberry-like device, MacOS X, and/or IMAP?]
In a message dated: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:23:03 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sat, 18 Oct 2003, at 11:01am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there are also a lot of things I can do with my e-mail in mh-format, that I can't do if it were stored under an IMAP format, but I digress In a message dated: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:30:46 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Clarification: IMAP is not a mail storage format. On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, at 1:50pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said it was. I took stored under an IMAP format as an implication that IMAP was a storage format. If that was a misunderstanding, I do apologize for jumping on you. But in that case, I really do think you could have been a bit more clear. :-) Well, I'll agree to mis-using terminology if you can agree that I understand the difference between a network protocol and a mail storage format :) Oh? I thought UW-IMAP supported mh mailboxes. Or is your use of correctly especially significant here? It sorta, kinda, but not really does. The problem is that MH uses index files (called sequences) to keep track of things like which files are read, unread, etc. UW-IMAP supposedly can access the message store, but it doesn't update sequences properly, and I'm not sure if it can deal with sub-folders either. (MH, being file/ directory based can have a theoretically infinite depth) You see, IMNSHO, IMAP is a vastly under-utilized and under-appreciated technology (kinda like Linux is/was). I agree, I just wish it were slightly more amenable to my wishes so I could enjoy it too :) Actually, both. :) I had thought your objection to IMAP was that using a traditional IMAP client would lose all the benefits of the mh style of mail usage. I also thought that an IMAP server that could handle mh folders was already available. AFAIK, there is no existing client or server capable of dealing with MH. In order to do so would require a significant amount of work on server. I'm not sure how much work on the client side would need to be done. Since, really, the client could just issue standard IMAP commands, and the server could translate those into MH commands on the backend and just spew the e-mail back down the IMAP pipe to the client. As long as the IMAP server on the back end would need to know how to deal with MH messages, folders, and sequences (among other things) on the server side, it would just have to know how to translate/map this back to the client via IMAP. All horses will continue to be beaten until revived. ;-) I can live with that. I'm too used to a similar Big Company philosophy which states: Beatings will continue until morale improves! :) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: IMAP debate [was Re: Blackberry-like device, MacOS X, and/or IMAP? ]
In a message dated: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:40:33 EDT Tom Buskey said: Based on the stupidity of the UW IMAP design, I'd never use it for more than a couple people in a non-critical environment. I completely agree. I had lots of issues at a site with 80 users with 10 of them having 1GB inboxes. I think the number of messages and attachment size has little to do with it. It's the linear search through a large file Well, it's that, and the fact that to delete/expunge messages, it first copies the entire mailbox to /tmp, unlinks the file, then copies the mailbox back to var/spool/mail one message at a time, skipping the messages flagged for deletion. This all works great until you have users with inboxes larger /tmp! MBX has a bit of an advantage over mbox but not much. I think there are patches out there that let UW-Imap do maildir. The nice thing about Cyrus, from what I've seen is that it's similar to MH in the sense that each message is a separate file. You want to delete a message, you delete that file. You need to rename a folder, you mv the directory. The other nice thing about it is the database for user authentication. There's no need to add a system user account for someone who just wants to get e-mail. UW-IMAP is another UW student project gone awry :) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Personal mail habits [was Blackberry-like device, MacOS X, and/or IMAP?]
In a message dated: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:07:59 EDT Travis Roy said: Over 1130 folders with over 65982 messages (I say over, because this is just the mail I've been concerned enough with to port into evolution). As far as disk space, all I can say is that its over 1GB and intermingled with a lot of other files. I'm sorry, but how could you possible be required to keep so much email? Required to keep and wish to keep are two entirely different things :) I have probably 200-250 messages in my saved items, and I like to keep my inbox under 50.. The operative word there is *like*. It is your *preference* to keep your mail in that manner. Once my saved items starts getting bigger then that I archive it to CD. Still easy to access if I really need it and keeps my email lean and quick. It's rather a pain to access a CD when you're not where the CD is. And it's often a pain to always carry a CD with you. Especially if you're a consultant who moves around to different client sites often. My situation is not like Bruce's, however, I too have have a ton of e-mail; dating back almost a decade, which consists of mail list archives, personal e-mail, etc. I have 684 directories with over 45000 messages. All of which is in mh-style folders. My mail is both lean and quick as you put it, and, it's all indexed using glimpse, which means I can search it very quickly! The only down side is that I can't connect to it via IMAP, however, now that I have a broadband connection, that's not an issue :) (there are also a lot of things I can do with my e-mail in mh-format, that I can't do if it were stored under an IMAP format, but I digress) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
