Re: upgraded to Fedora 32 from Fedora 30 -- libvirtd no longer runs

[Ben Scott]

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 5:54 PM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:
> I hope I did not burden you with excessive emails.

This is the most interesting thread we've had on this list for months.  ;-)

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Re: upgraded to Fedora 32 from Fedora 30 -- libvirtd no longer runs

[Jerry Feldman]

We'll charge you for excessive bandwidth.

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On Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 5:51 PM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:

> Well the solution was ridiculously easy.
>1. boot the normal kernel and make sure libvirtd is running
>2. run virt-manager; create a new virthost specifying the old .img file
>
> So all my concerns about converting the image file and salvaging details
> were unnecessary. The
> magic just works.
>
> I hope I did not burden you with excessive emails. Thanks for the moral
> support.
>
> On Mon, 2020-06-01 at 13:51 -0400, Tom Buskey wrote:
> > On my Fedora 31, I only have 2 xen rpms:
> > xen-licenses-4.12.2-3.fc31.x86_64
> > xen-libs-4.12.2-3.fc31.x86_64
> >
> > If you don't need xen specifically, you shouldn't use a xen kernel.
> > Everything is using KVM nowadays
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:17 AM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 20:10 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > > > Why are you using the xen kernel.
> > >
> > > I had set this up years ago (2012??) using Xen and haven't tried to
> change
> > > it. Other than a
> > > brief problem a few years back, it has worked smoothly.
> > >
> > > I am reading up on the libvirt image handling now so that I can figure
> out
> > > my options for
> > > regaining access to the server data - or shifting my virtualization.
> > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Feldman 
> > > > Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> > > > PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> > > > PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
> > > > B B6E7
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, May 31, 2020, 8:08 PM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The key piece that I left out: libvirtd fails when I boot the XEN
> > >
> > > kernel.
> > > > > It's OK with the
> > > > > regular kernel.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 19:38 -0400, Lloyd Kvam wrote:
> > > > > > On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 18:17 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > > > > > > I have not used libvirtd on fedora 32 directky but I do use
> gnome
> > >
> > > boxes
> > > > > > > that does use libvirtd.
> > > > > > > Did you try removing and reloading the packages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, dnf reinstall on the libvirt and xen packages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After disabling libvirtd and rebooting I was finally able to
> just run
> > > > >
> > > > > libvirtd manually. I
> > > > > > got
> > > > > > an error about virbr0 already existed. Poking through /etc I
> found an
> > > > >
> > > > > ancient qemu/networks
> > > > > > XML
> > > > > > file that defined virbr0 as well as a new XML file elsewhere
> that did
> > > > >
> > > > > the same. Since then,
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > manual runs simply dump core.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've deleted the ancient files (backed up by etckeeper) and am
> > >
> > > rebooting
> > > > >
> > > > > and trying things.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for responding.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Jerry Feldman 
> > > > > > > Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> > > > > > > PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> > > > > > > PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D
> 6F6
> > > > > > > B B6E7
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, May 31, 2020, 6:11 PM Lloyd Kvam 
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This on my home server which runs a virtualized Ubuntu. The
> > >
> > > output
> > > > >
> > > > > below
> > > > > > > > is from journalctl and
> > > > > > > > shows how libvirtd just recycles without end. I would greatly
> > > > >
> > > > > appreciate
> > > > > > > > any pointers for
> > > > > > > > figuring out what's wron

Re: upgraded to Fedora 32 from Fedora 30 -- libvirtd no longer runs

[Lloyd Kvam]

Well the solution was ridiculously easy.
   1. boot the normal kernel and make sure libvirtd is running
   2. run virt-manager; create a new virthost specifying the old .img file

So all my concerns about converting the image file and salvaging details were 
unnecessary. The
magic just works.

I hope I did not burden you with excessive emails. Thanks for the moral support.

On Mon, 2020-06-01 at 13:51 -0400, Tom Buskey wrote:
> On my Fedora 31, I only have 2 xen rpms:
> xen-licenses-4.12.2-3.fc31.x86_64
> xen-libs-4.12.2-3.fc31.x86_64
> 
> If you don't need xen specifically, you shouldn't use a xen kernel.
> Everything is using KVM nowadays
> 
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:17 AM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 20:10 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > > Why are you using the xen kernel.
> > 
> > I had set this up years ago (2012??) using Xen and haven't tried to change
> > it. Other than a
> > brief problem a few years back, it has worked smoothly.
> > 
> > I am reading up on the libvirt image handling now so that I can figure out
> > my options for
> > regaining access to the server data - or shifting my virtualization.
> > 
> > > --
> > > Jerry Feldman 
> > > Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> > > PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> > > PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
> > > B B6E7
> > > 
> > > On Sun, May 31, 2020, 8:08 PM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > The key piece that I left out: libvirtd fails when I boot the XEN
> > 
> > kernel.
> > > > It's OK with the
> > > > regular kernel.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 19:38 -0400, Lloyd Kvam wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 18:17 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > > > > > I have not used libvirtd on fedora 32 directky but I do use gnome
> > 
> > boxes
> > > > > > that does use libvirtd.
> > > > > > Did you try removing and reloading the packages.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yes, dnf reinstall on the libvirt and xen packages.
> > > > > 
> > > > > After disabling libvirtd and rebooting I was finally able to just run
> > > > 
> > > > libvirtd manually. I
> > > > > got
> > > > > an error about virbr0 already existed. Poking through /etc I found an
> > > > 
> > > > ancient qemu/networks
> > > > > XML
> > > > > file that defined virbr0 as well as a new XML file elsewhere that did
> > > > 
> > > > the same. Since then,
> > > > > the
> > > > > manual runs simply dump core.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I've deleted the ancient files (backed up by etckeeper) and am
> > 
> > rebooting
> > > > 
> > > > and trying things.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks for responding.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Jerry Feldman 
> > > > > > Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> > > > > > PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> > > > > > PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
> > > > > > B B6E7
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Sun, May 31, 2020, 6:11 PM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This on my home server which runs a virtualized Ubuntu. The
> > 
> > output
> > > > 
> > > > below
> > > > > > > is from journalctl and
> > > > > > > shows how libvirtd just recycles without end. I would greatly
> > > > 
> > > > appreciate
> > > > > > > any pointers for
> > > > > > > figuring out what's wrong with libvirtd.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I suppose an alternative would be to turn the Ubuntu image into
> > > > 
> > > > normal
> > > > > > > disk drive partition[s]
> > > > > > > and just run it directly.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > """ from journalctl libvirtd.service
> > > > > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> > > > 
> > > > Consumed
> > > > > > > 2.011s CPU time.
> > > > > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> > > &

Re: upgraded to Fedora 32 from Fedora 30 -- libvirtd no longer runs

[Lloyd Kvam]

On Mon, 2020-06-01 at 13:51 -0400, Tom Buskey wrote:
> On my Fedora 31, I only have 2 xen rpms:
> xen-licenses-4.12.2-3.fc31.x86_64
> xen-libs-4.12.2-3.fc31.x86_64

I have started trying to migrate. Unfortunately, virt-v2v requires a working 
libvirtd to move
things along. qemu-img is trying to convert the xen image right now.

I'll keep thrashing, but may windup installing Fedora30 to get back to a 
working system,
migrate to KVM and then upgrade Fedora.

> If you don't need xen specifically, you shouldn't use a xen kernel.
> Everything is using KVM nowadays
> 
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:17 AM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 20:10 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > > Why are you using the xen kernel.
> > 
> > I had set this up years ago (2012??) using Xen and haven't tried to change
> > it. Other than a
> > brief problem a few years back, it has worked smoothly.
> > 
> > I am reading up on the libvirt image handling now so that I can figure out
> > my options for
> > regaining access to the server data - or shifting my virtualization.
> > 
> > > --
> > > Jerry Feldman 
> > > Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> > > PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> > > PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
> > > B B6E7
> > > 
> > > On Sun, May 31, 2020, 8:08 PM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > The key piece that I left out: libvirtd fails when I boot the XEN
> > 
> > kernel.
> > > > It's OK with the
> > > > regular kernel.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 19:38 -0400, Lloyd Kvam wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 18:17 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > > > > > I have not used libvirtd on fedora 32 directky but I do use gnome
> > 
> > boxes
> > > > > > that does use libvirtd.
> > > > > > Did you try removing and reloading the packages.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yes, dnf reinstall on the libvirt and xen packages.
> > > > > 
> > > > > After disabling libvirtd and rebooting I was finally able to just run
> > > > 
> > > > libvirtd manually. I
> > > > > got
> > > > > an error about virbr0 already existed. Poking through /etc I found an
> > > > 
> > > > ancient qemu/networks
> > > > > XML
> > > > > file that defined virbr0 as well as a new XML file elsewhere that did
> > > > 
> > > > the same. Since then,
> > > > > the
> > > > > manual runs simply dump core.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I've deleted the ancient files (backed up by etckeeper) and am
> > 
> > rebooting
> > > > 
> > > > and trying things.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks for responding.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Jerry Feldman 
> > > > > > Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> > > > > > PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> > > > > > PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
> > > > > > B B6E7
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Sun, May 31, 2020, 6:11 PM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This on my home server which runs a virtualized Ubuntu. The
> > 
> > output
> > > > 
> > > > below
> > > > > > > is from journalctl and
> > > > > > > shows how libvirtd just recycles without end. I would greatly
> > > > 
> > > > appreciate
> > > > > > > any pointers for
> > > > > > > figuring out what's wrong with libvirtd.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I suppose an alternative would be to turn the Ubuntu image into
> > > > 
> > > > normal
> > > > > > > disk drive partition[s]
> > > > > > > and just run it directly.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > """ from journalctl libvirtd.service
> > > > > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> > > > 
> > > > Consumed
> > > > > > > 2.011s CPU time.
> > > > > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> > > > 
> > > > Scheduled
> > > > > > > restart j

Re: upgraded to Fedora 32 from Fedora 30 -- libvirtd no longer runs

[Tom Buskey]

On my Fedora 31, I only have 2 xen rpms:
xen-licenses-4.12.2-3.fc31.x86_64
xen-libs-4.12.2-3.fc31.x86_64

If you don't need xen specifically, you shouldn't use a xen kernel.
Everything is using KVM nowadays

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:17 AM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:

> On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 20:10 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > Why are you using the xen kernel.
>
> I had set this up years ago (2012??) using Xen and haven't tried to change
> it. Other than a
> brief problem a few years back, it has worked smoothly.
>
> I am reading up on the libvirt image handling now so that I can figure out
> my options for
> regaining access to the server data - or shifting my virtualization.
>
> > --
> > Jerry Feldman 
> > Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> > PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> > PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
> > B B6E7
> >
> > On Sun, May 31, 2020, 8:08 PM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:
> >
> > > The key piece that I left out: libvirtd fails when I boot the XEN
> kernel.
> > > It's OK with the
> > > regular kernel.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 19:38 -0400, Lloyd Kvam wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 18:17 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > > > > I have not used libvirtd on fedora 32 directky but I do use gnome
> boxes
> > > > > that does use libvirtd.
> > > > > Did you try removing and reloading the packages.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, dnf reinstall on the libvirt and xen packages.
> > > >
> > > > After disabling libvirtd and rebooting I was finally able to just run
> > >
> > > libvirtd manually. I
> > > > got
> > > > an error about virbr0 already existed. Poking through /etc I found an
> > >
> > > ancient qemu/networks
> > > > XML
> > > > file that defined virbr0 as well as a new XML file elsewhere that did
> > >
> > > the same. Since then,
> > > > the
> > > > manual runs simply dump core.
> > > >
> > > > I've deleted the ancient files (backed up by etckeeper) and am
> rebooting
> > >
> > > and trying things.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for responding.
> > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jerry Feldman 
> > > > > Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> > > > > PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> > > > > PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
> > > > > B B6E7
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, May 31, 2020, 6:11 PM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > This on my home server which runs a virtualized Ubuntu. The
> output
> > >
> > > below
> > > > > > is from journalctl and
> > > > > > shows how libvirtd just recycles without end. I would greatly
> > >
> > > appreciate
> > > > > > any pointers for
> > > > > > figuring out what's wrong with libvirtd.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I suppose an alternative would be to turn the Ubuntu image into
> > >
> > > normal
> > > > > > disk drive partition[s]
> > > > > > and just run it directly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > """ from journalctl libvirtd.service
> > > > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> > >
> > > Consumed
> > > > > > 2.011s CPU time.
> > > > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> > >
> > > Scheduled
> > > > > > restart job, restart counter is at 55.
> > > > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Stopped
> Virtualization
> > >
> > > daemon.
> > > > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> > >
> > > Consumed
> > > > > > 2.011s CPU time.
> > > > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Starting
> Virtualization
> > > > > > daemon...
> > > > > > May 31 17:48:44 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Started
> Virtualization
> > >
> > > daemon.
> > > > > > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> Main
> > >
> > > process
> > > > > > exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV
> > > > > > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd

Re: upgraded to Fedora 32 from Fedora 30 -- libvirtd no longer runs

[Lloyd Kvam]

On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 20:10 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> Why are you using the xen kernel.

I had set this up years ago (2012??) using Xen and haven't tried to change it. 
Other than a
brief problem a few years back, it has worked smoothly.

I am reading up on the libvirt image handling now so that I can figure out my 
options for
regaining access to the server data - or shifting my virtualization.

> --
> Jerry Feldman 
> Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
> B B6E7
> 
> On Sun, May 31, 2020, 8:08 PM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:
> 
> > The key piece that I left out: libvirtd fails when I boot the XEN kernel.
> > It's OK with the
> > regular kernel.
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 19:38 -0400, Lloyd Kvam wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 18:17 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > > > I have not used libvirtd on fedora 32 directky but I do use gnome boxes
> > > > that does use libvirtd.
> > > > Did you try removing and reloading the packages.
> > > 
> > > Yes, dnf reinstall on the libvirt and xen packages.
> > > 
> > > After disabling libvirtd and rebooting I was finally able to just run
> > 
> > libvirtd manually. I
> > > got
> > > an error about virbr0 already existed. Poking through /etc I found an
> > 
> > ancient qemu/networks
> > > XML
> > > file that defined virbr0 as well as a new XML file elsewhere that did
> > 
> > the same. Since then,
> > > the
> > > manual runs simply dump core.
> > > 
> > > I've deleted the ancient files (backed up by etckeeper) and am rebooting
> > 
> > and trying things.
> > > 
> > > Thanks for responding.
> > > 
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Feldman 
> > > > Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> > > > PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> > > > PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
> > > > B B6E7
> > > > 
> > > > On Sun, May 31, 2020, 6:11 PM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > This on my home server which runs a virtualized Ubuntu. The output
> > 
> > below
> > > > > is from journalctl and
> > > > > shows how libvirtd just recycles without end. I would greatly
> > 
> > appreciate
> > > > > any pointers for
> > > > > figuring out what's wrong with libvirtd.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I suppose an alternative would be to turn the Ubuntu image into
> > 
> > normal
> > > > > disk drive partition[s]
> > > > > and just run it directly.
> > > > > 
> > > > > """ from journalctl libvirtd.service
> > > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> > 
> > Consumed
> > > > > 2.011s CPU time.
> > > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> > 
> > Scheduled
> > > > > restart job, restart counter is at 55.
> > > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Stopped Virtualization
> > 
> > daemon.
> > > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> > 
> > Consumed
> > > > > 2.011s CPU time.
> > > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Starting Virtualization
> > > > > daemon...
> > > > > May 31 17:48:44 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Started Virtualization
> > 
> > daemon.
> > > > > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Main
> > 
> > process
> > > > > exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV
> > > > > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Failed
> > 
> > with
> > > > > result 'signal'.
> > > > > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> > 
> > Consumed
> > > > > 2.378s CPU time.
> > > > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> > 
> > Scheduled
> > > > > restart job, restart counter is at 56.
> > > > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Stopped Virtualization
> > 
> > daemon.
> > > > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> > 
> > Consumed
> > > > > 2.378s CPU time.
> > > > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Starting Virtualiz

Re: upgraded to Fedora 32 from Fedora 30 -- libvirtd no longer runs

[Jerry Feldman]

Thanks. You are probably right. I have not run xen or a xen kernel in many
years.

--
Jerry Feldman 
Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
B B6E7

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 8:37 PM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:

> Sorry I was so incoherent. When  booting with the XEN kernel libvrtd
> segfaults. gnome-abrt is
> actually pretty nice, but I am way out of touch with debugging this sort
> of issue.
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1842318
>
> I have filed a bug report. My best guess is that I have some stale
> configuration file laying
> around that is too obscure to have been caught by their normal testing.
>
> On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 20:08 -0400, Lloyd Kvam wrote:
> > The key piece that I left out: libvirtd fails when I boot the XEN
> kernel. It's OK with the
> > regular kernel.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 19:38 -0400, Lloyd Kvam wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 18:17 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > > > I have not used libvirtd on fedora 32 directky but I do use gnome
> boxes
> > > > that does use libvirtd.
> > > > Did you try removing and reloading the packages.
> > >
> > > Yes, dnf reinstall on the libvirt and xen packages.
> > >
> > > After disabling libvirtd and rebooting I was finally able to just run
> libvirtd manually. I
> > > got
> > > an error about virbr0 already existed. Poking through /etc I found an
> ancient qemu/networks
> > > XML
> > > file that defined virbr0 as well as a new XML file elsewhere that did
> the same. Since then,
> > > the
> > > manual runs simply dump core.
> > >
> > > I've deleted the ancient files (backed up by etckeeper) and am
> rebooting and trying things.
> > >
> > > Thanks for responding.
> > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Feldman 
> > > > Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> > > > PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> > > > PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
> > > > B B6E7
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, May 31, 2020, 6:11 PM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > This on my home server which runs a virtualized Ubuntu. The output
> below
> > > > > is from journalctl and
> > > > > shows how libvirtd just recycles without end. I would greatly
> appreciate
> > > > > any pointers for
> > > > > figuring out what's wrong with libvirtd.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suppose an alternative would be to turn the Ubuntu image into
> normal
> > > > > disk drive partition[s]
> > > > > and just run it directly.
> > > > >
> > > > > """ from journalctl libvirtd.service
> > > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> Consumed
> > > > > 2.011s CPU time.
> > > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> Scheduled
> > > > > restart job, restart counter is at 55.
> > > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Stopped Virtualization
> daemon.
> > > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> Consumed
> > > > > 2.011s CPU time.
> > > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Starting Virtualization
> > > > > daemon...
> > > > > May 31 17:48:44 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Started Virtualization
> daemon.
> > > > > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Main
> process
> > > > > exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV
> > > > > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> Failed with
> > > > > result 'signal'.
> > > > > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> Consumed
> > > > > 2.378s CPU time.
> > > > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> Scheduled
> > > > > restart job, restart counter is at 56.
> > > > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Stopped Virtualization
> daemon.
> > > > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> Consumed
> > > > > 2.378s CPU time.
> > > > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Starting Virtualization
> > > > > daemon...
> > > > > May 31 17:49:22 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Started Virtualization
> daemon.
> > &g

Re: upgraded to Fedora 32 from Fedora 30 -- libvirtd no longer runs

[Lloyd Kvam]

Sorry I was so incoherent. When  booting with the XEN kernel libvrtd segfaults. 
gnome-abrt is
actually pretty nice, but I am way out of touch with debugging this sort of 
issue.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1842318

I have filed a bug report. My best guess is that I have some stale 
configuration file laying
around that is too obscure to have been caught by their normal testing.

On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 20:08 -0400, Lloyd Kvam wrote:
> The key piece that I left out: libvirtd fails when I boot the XEN kernel. 
> It's OK with the
> regular kernel.
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 19:38 -0400, Lloyd Kvam wrote:
> > On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 18:17 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > > I have not used libvirtd on fedora 32 directky but I do use gnome boxes
> > > that does use libvirtd.
> > > Did you try removing and reloading the packages.
> > 
> > Yes, dnf reinstall on the libvirt and xen packages.
> > 
> > After disabling libvirtd and rebooting I was finally able to just run 
> > libvirtd manually. I
> > got
> > an error about virbr0 already existed. Poking through /etc I found an 
> > ancient qemu/networks
> > XML
> > file that defined virbr0 as well as a new XML file elsewhere that did the 
> > same. Since then,
> > the
> > manual runs simply dump core.
> > 
> > I've deleted the ancient files (backed up by etckeeper) and am rebooting 
> > and trying things.
> > 
> > Thanks for responding.
> > 
> > > --
> > > Jerry Feldman 
> > > Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> > > PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> > > PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
> > > B B6E7
> > > 
> > > On Sun, May 31, 2020, 6:11 PM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > This on my home server which runs a virtualized Ubuntu. The output below
> > > > is from journalctl and
> > > > shows how libvirtd just recycles without end. I would greatly appreciate
> > > > any pointers for
> > > > figuring out what's wrong with libvirtd.
> > > > 
> > > > I suppose an alternative would be to turn the Ubuntu image into normal
> > > > disk drive partition[s]
> > > > and just run it directly.
> > > > 
> > > > """ from journalctl libvirtd.service
> > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> > > > 2.011s CPU time.
> > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Scheduled
> > > > restart job, restart counter is at 55.
> > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Stopped Virtualization 
> > > > daemon.
> > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> > > > 2.011s CPU time.
> > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Starting Virtualization
> > > > daemon...
> > > > May 31 17:48:44 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Started Virtualization 
> > > > daemon.
> > > > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Main 
> > > > process
> > > > exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV
> > > > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Failed 
> > > > with
> > > > result 'signal'.
> > > > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> > > > 2.378s CPU time.
> > > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Scheduled
> > > > restart job, restart counter is at 56.
> > > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Stopped Virtualization 
> > > > daemon.
> > > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> > > > 2.378s CPU time.
> > > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Starting Virtualization
> > > > daemon...
> > > > May 31 17:49:22 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Started Virtualization 
> > > > daemon.
> > > > May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Main 
> > > > process
> > > > exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV
> > > > May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Failed 
> > > > with
> > > > result 'signal'.
> > > > May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> > > > 1.931s CPU time.
> > > > May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Scheduled
> > > > restart job, restart counter is at 57.
> > > > """
> > > > 
> > > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > Lloyd Kvam
> > > > 5 Foliage View
> > > > Lebanon, NH 03766
> > > > 802-448-0836
> > > > 
> > > > 
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> > > > http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
> > > > 
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802-448-0836


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Re: upgraded to Fedora 32 from Fedora 30 -- libvirtd no longer runs

[Jerry Feldman]

Why are you using the xen kernel.

--
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B B6E7

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 8:08 PM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:

> The key piece that I left out: libvirtd fails when I boot the XEN kernel.
> It's OK with the
> regular kernel.
>
>
> On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 19:38 -0400, Lloyd Kvam wrote:
> > On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 18:17 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > > I have not used libvirtd on fedora 32 directky but I do use gnome boxes
> > > that does use libvirtd.
> > > Did you try removing and reloading the packages.
> >
> > Yes, dnf reinstall on the libvirt and xen packages.
> >
> > After disabling libvirtd and rebooting I was finally able to just run
> libvirtd manually. I
> > got
> > an error about virbr0 already existed. Poking through /etc I found an
> ancient qemu/networks
> > XML
> > file that defined virbr0 as well as a new XML file elsewhere that did
> the same. Since then,
> > the
> > manual runs simply dump core.
> >
> > I've deleted the ancient files (backed up by etckeeper) and am rebooting
> and trying things.
> >
> > Thanks for responding.
> >
> > > --
> > > Jerry Feldman 
> > > Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> > > PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> > > PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
> > > B B6E7
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 31, 2020, 6:11 PM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:
> > >
> > > > This on my home server which runs a virtualized Ubuntu. The output
> below
> > > > is from journalctl and
> > > > shows how libvirtd just recycles without end. I would greatly
> appreciate
> > > > any pointers for
> > > > figuring out what's wrong with libvirtd.
> > > >
> > > > I suppose an alternative would be to turn the Ubuntu image into
> normal
> > > > disk drive partition[s]
> > > > and just run it directly.
> > > >
> > > > """ from journalctl libvirtd.service
> > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> Consumed
> > > > 2.011s CPU time.
> > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> Scheduled
> > > > restart job, restart counter is at 55.
> > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Stopped Virtualization
> daemon.
> > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> Consumed
> > > > 2.011s CPU time.
> > > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Starting Virtualization
> > > > daemon...
> > > > May 31 17:48:44 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Started Virtualization
> daemon.
> > > > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Main
> process
> > > > exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV
> > > > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Failed
> with
> > > > result 'signal'.
> > > > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> Consumed
> > > > 2.378s CPU time.
> > > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> Scheduled
> > > > restart job, restart counter is at 56.
> > > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Stopped Virtualization
> daemon.
> > > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> Consumed
> > > > 2.378s CPU time.
> > > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Starting Virtualization
> > > > daemon...
> > > > May 31 17:49:22 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Started Virtualization
> daemon.
> > > > May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Main
> process
> > > > exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV
> > > > May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Failed
> with
> > > > result 'signal'.
> > > > May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> Consumed
> > > > 1.931s CPU time.
> > > > May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service:
> Scheduled
> > > > restart job, restart counter is at 57.
> > > > """
> > > >
> > > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Lloyd Kvam
> > > > 5 Foliage View
> > > > Lebanon, NH 03766
> > > > 802-448-0836
> > > >
> > > >
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> --
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> 5 Foliage View
> Lebanon, NH 03766
> 802-448-0836
>
>
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Re: upgraded to Fedora 32 from Fedora 30 -- libvirtd no longer runs

[Lloyd Kvam]

The key piece that I left out: libvirtd fails when I boot the XEN kernel. It's 
OK with the
regular kernel.


On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 19:38 -0400, Lloyd Kvam wrote:
> On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 18:17 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > I have not used libvirtd on fedora 32 directky but I do use gnome boxes
> > that does use libvirtd.
> > Did you try removing and reloading the packages.
> 
> Yes, dnf reinstall on the libvirt and xen packages.
> 
> After disabling libvirtd and rebooting I was finally able to just run 
> libvirtd manually. I
> got
> an error about virbr0 already existed. Poking through /etc I found an ancient 
> qemu/networks
> XML
> file that defined virbr0 as well as a new XML file elsewhere that did the 
> same. Since then,
> the
> manual runs simply dump core.
> 
> I've deleted the ancient files (backed up by etckeeper) and am rebooting and 
> trying things.
> 
> Thanks for responding.
> 
> > --
> > Jerry Feldman 
> > Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> > PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> > PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
> > B B6E7
> > 
> > On Sun, May 31, 2020, 6:11 PM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:
> > 
> > > This on my home server which runs a virtualized Ubuntu. The output below
> > > is from journalctl and
> > > shows how libvirtd just recycles without end. I would greatly appreciate
> > > any pointers for
> > > figuring out what's wrong with libvirtd.
> > > 
> > > I suppose an alternative would be to turn the Ubuntu image into normal
> > > disk drive partition[s]
> > > and just run it directly.
> > > 
> > > """ from journalctl libvirtd.service
> > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> > > 2.011s CPU time.
> > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Scheduled
> > > restart job, restart counter is at 55.
> > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Stopped Virtualization daemon.
> > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> > > 2.011s CPU time.
> > > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Starting Virtualization
> > > daemon...
> > > May 31 17:48:44 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Started Virtualization daemon.
> > > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Main process
> > > exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV
> > > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Failed with
> > > result 'signal'.
> > > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> > > 2.378s CPU time.
> > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Scheduled
> > > restart job, restart counter is at 56.
> > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Stopped Virtualization daemon.
> > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> > > 2.378s CPU time.
> > > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Starting Virtualization
> > > daemon...
> > > May 31 17:49:22 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Started Virtualization daemon.
> > > May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Main process
> > > exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV
> > > May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Failed with
> > > result 'signal'.
> > > May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> > > 1.931s CPU time.
> > > May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Scheduled
> > > restart job, restart counter is at 57.
> > > """
> > > 
> > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Lloyd Kvam
> > > 5 Foliage View
> > > Lebanon, NH 03766
> > > 802-448-0836
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
> > > http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
> > > 
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Lebanon, NH 03766
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Re: upgraded to Fedora 32 from Fedora 30 -- libvirtd no longer runs

[Lloyd Kvam]

On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 18:17 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> I have not used libvirtd on fedora 32 directky but I do use gnome boxes
> that does use libvirtd.
> Did you try removing and reloading the packages.

Yes, dnf reinstall on the libvirt and xen packages.

After disabling libvirtd and rebooting I was finally able to just run libvirtd 
manually. I got
an error about virbr0 already existed. Poking through /etc I found an ancient 
qemu/networks XML
file that defined virbr0 as well as a new XML file elsewhere that did the same. 
Since then, the
manual runs simply dump core.

I've deleted the ancient files (backed up by etckeeper) and am rebooting and 
trying things.

Thanks for responding.

> --
> Jerry Feldman 
> Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
> B B6E7
> 
> On Sun, May 31, 2020, 6:11 PM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:
> 
> > This on my home server which runs a virtualized Ubuntu. The output below
> > is from journalctl and
> > shows how libvirtd just recycles without end. I would greatly appreciate
> > any pointers for
> > figuring out what's wrong with libvirtd.
> > 
> > I suppose an alternative would be to turn the Ubuntu image into normal
> > disk drive partition[s]
> > and just run it directly.
> > 
> > """ from journalctl libvirtd.service
> > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> > 2.011s CPU time.
> > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Scheduled
> > restart job, restart counter is at 55.
> > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Stopped Virtualization daemon.
> > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> > 2.011s CPU time.
> > May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Starting Virtualization
> > daemon...
> > May 31 17:48:44 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Started Virtualization daemon.
> > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Main process
> > exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV
> > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Failed with
> > result 'signal'.
> > May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> > 2.378s CPU time.
> > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Scheduled
> > restart job, restart counter is at 56.
> > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Stopped Virtualization daemon.
> > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> > 2.378s CPU time.
> > May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Starting Virtualization
> > daemon...
> > May 31 17:49:22 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Started Virtualization daemon.
> > May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Main process
> > exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV
> > May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Failed with
> > result 'signal'.
> > May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> > 1.931s CPU time.
> > May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Scheduled
> > restart job, restart counter is at 57.
> > """
> > 
> > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > --
> > Lloyd Kvam
> > 5 Foliage View
> > Lebanon, NH 03766
> > 802-448-0836
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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Re: upgraded to Fedora 32 from Fedora 30 -- libvirtd no longer runs

[Jerry Feldman]

I have not used libvirtd on fedora 32 directky but I do use gnome boxes
that does use libvirtd.
Did you try removing and reloading the packages.

--
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PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
B B6E7

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 6:11 PM Lloyd Kvam  wrote:

> This on my home server which runs a virtualized Ubuntu. The output below
> is from journalctl and
> shows how libvirtd just recycles without end. I would greatly appreciate
> any pointers for
> figuring out what's wrong with libvirtd.
>
> I suppose an alternative would be to turn the Ubuntu image into normal
> disk drive partition[s]
> and just run it directly.
>
> """ from journalctl libvirtd.service
> May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> 2.011s CPU time.
> May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Scheduled
> restart job, restart counter is at 55.
> May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Stopped Virtualization daemon.
> May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> 2.011s CPU time.
> May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Starting Virtualization
> daemon...
> May 31 17:48:44 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Started Virtualization daemon.
> May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Main process
> exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV
> May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Failed with
> result 'signal'.
> May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> 2.378s CPU time.
> May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Scheduled
> restart job, restart counter is at 56.
> May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Stopped Virtualization daemon.
> May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> 2.378s CPU time.
> May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Starting Virtualization
> daemon...
> May 31 17:49:22 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Started Virtualization daemon.
> May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Main process
> exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV
> May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Failed with
> result 'signal'.
> May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed
> 1.931s CPU time.
> May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Scheduled
> restart job, restart counter is at 57.
> """
>
> Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks.
>
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> Lloyd Kvam
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upgraded to Fedora 32 from Fedora 30 -- libvirtd no longer runs

[Lloyd Kvam]

This on my home server which runs a virtualized Ubuntu. The output below is 
from journalctl and
shows how libvirtd just recycles without end. I would greatly appreciate any 
pointers for
figuring out what's wrong with libvirtd. 

I suppose an alternative would be to turn the Ubuntu image into normal disk 
drive partition[s]
and just run it directly.

""" from journalctl libvirtd.service
May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed 2.011s 
CPU time.
May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Scheduled restart 
job, restart counter is at 55.
May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Stopped Virtualization daemon.
May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed 2.011s 
CPU time.
May 31 17:48:39 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Starting Virtualization daemon...
May 31 17:48:44 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Started Virtualization daemon.
May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Main process 
exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV
May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Failed with 
result 'signal'.
May 31 17:49:18 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed 2.378s 
CPU time.
May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Scheduled restart 
job, restart counter is at 56.
May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Stopped Virtualization daemon.
May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed 2.378s 
CPU time.
May 31 17:49:19 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Starting Virtualization daemon...
May 31 17:49:22 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: Started Virtualization daemon.
May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Main process 
exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV
May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Failed with 
result 'signal'.
May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Consumed 1.931s 
CPU time.
May 31 17:49:47 vmhost.home.lan systemd[1]: libvirtd.service: Scheduled restart 
job, restart counter is at 57.
"""

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

-- 
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Lebanon, NH 03766
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Fedora NetworkManager and dhclient help request

[Pete Snider]

Hi,

As numerous places of work are, I am in a mostly windows shop.  I'm
having problems with fedora network manager not setting the hostname
through dhclient to the windows dns and dhcp server.  There are 2
people here that are using Ubuntu without any problems.  I tried the
same setup but it fails.  I created /etc/dhclient-eth0.conf with the
following entries below and still not working.  The values do are in
/var/run/nm-dhclient-eth0.conf used by dhclient.

Any ideas on what to check next or how to resolve the issue.

thanks,
-pete


contents of /etc/dhclient-eth0.conf:

option rfc3442-classless-static-routes code 121 = array of unsigned integer 8;

send fqdn.fqdn pds-lnxt500.xyz.com.;
send fqdn.server-update on;
send option host-name pds-lnxt500;

request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers,
domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search, host-name,
netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope, interface-mtu,
rfc3442-classless-static-routes, ntp-servers;

interface tun0 {
 send option fqdn.fqdn pds-lnxt500-vpn.xyz.com.;
 send option host-name pds-lnxt500-vpn;
 send option fqdn.server-update on;
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Re: Fedora NetworkManager and dhclient help request

[M D L]

Debian (Ubuntu) and Red Hat (Fedora) put their config files in
different places.  On Fedora, it looks like the file should
be /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf

You can look at:  /usr/share/doc/dhclient-4.2.1/dhclient.conf.sample for other 
examples that may help.

Michael


On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 11:42:54 -0400
Pete Snider pds...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 As numerous places of work are, I am in a mostly windows shop.  I'm
 having problems with fedora network manager not setting the hostname
 through dhclient to the windows dns and dhcp server.  There are 2
 people here that are using Ubuntu without any problems.  I tried the
 same setup but it fails.  I created /etc/dhclient-eth0.conf with the
 following entries below and still not working.  The values do are in
 /var/run/nm-dhclient-eth0.conf used by dhclient.
 
 Any ideas on what to check next or how to resolve the issue.
 
 thanks,
 -pete
 
 
 contents of /etc/dhclient-eth0.conf:
 
 option rfc3442-classless-static-routes code 121 = array of unsigned integer 8;
 
 send fqdn.fqdn pds-lnxt500.xyz.com.;
 send fqdn.server-update on;
 send option host-name pds-lnxt500;
 
 request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers,
 domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search, host-name,
 netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope, interface-mtu,
 rfc3442-classless-static-routes, ntp-servers;
 
 interface tun0 {
  send option fqdn.fqdn pds-lnxt500-vpn.xyz.com.;
  send option host-name pds-lnxt500-vpn;
  send option fqdn.server-update on;
  }
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Re: Fedora NetworkManager and dhclient help request

[Shawn O'Shea]

I can't verify, but according to an article comment on serverfault[1],
requesting the domain-name and host-name from the server negates the send
host-name option. There were a few other suggestions in that article as
well. Normally MS DHCP/DNS only allows secure updates, and this must be
expressly changed to allow insecure updates. Either the insecure updates are
enabled and that's how the Ubuntu machines work, or possibly the Ubuntu
machines are doing something else (joined to the domain with likewise-open
maybe? Using nsupdate to do a secure update, which according to a 2008
thread on a bind list is conceivable with BIND 9.5's nsupdate[2]).

-Shawn

[1]
http://serverfault.com/questions/104220/update-hostname-from-debian-machine-with-dhcp-to-a-windows-2008-dns-server
[2]
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.protocols.dns.bind/browse_thread/thread/b6f803d7594be3d0

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Pete Snider pds...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Ken D'Ambrosio k...@jots.org wrote:
  Hey, Pete -- I refer you to the e-mail thread from when I asked the very
 same
  question:
 
 http://answerpot.com/showthread.php?2777045-Dynamic+DNS%3A+Ubuntu+vs.+CentOS
 .
  or http://tinyurl.com/6hav84b
 
  (I know there are other archives, but this was the first Google hit.)
 
  Shawn's response (search for Shawn) was the magic that did the trick
 for me.
 
  -Ken
 
 
 
  On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 11:42:54 -0400 Pete Snider pds...@gmail.com wrote
 
  Hi,
 
  As numerous places of work are, I am in a mostly windows shop.  I'm
  having problems with fedora network manager not setting the hostname
  through dhclient to the windows dns and dhcp server.  There are 2
  people here that are using Ubuntu without any problems.  I tried the
  same setup but it fails.  I created /etc/dhclient-eth0.conf with the
  following entries below and still not working.  The values do are in
  /var/run/nm-dhclient-eth0.conf used by dhclient.
 
  Any ideas on what to check next or how to resolve the issue.
 
  thanks,
  -pete
 
 
  contents of /etc/dhclient-eth0.conf:
 
  option rfc3442-classless-static-routes code 121 = array of unsigned
 integer
  8;
 
  send fqdn.fqdn pds-lnxt500.xyz.com.;
  send fqdn.server-update on;
  send option host-name pds-lnxt500;
 
  request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers,
  domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search, host-name,
  netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope, interface-mtu,
  rfc3442-classless-static-routes, ntp-servers;
 
  interface tun0 {
   send option fqdn.fqdn pds-lnxt500-vpn.xyz.com.;
   send option host-name pds-lnxt500-vpn;
   send option fqdn.server-update on;
   }
  ___

 I did see your's and other google pages about this.  I've tried both
 'send option host-name pds-lnxt500;' and 'send host-name
 pds-lnxt500;'   without success.   Notice that fqdn.fqdn and
 fqdn.server-update are also sent.  The ps output: 6102 ?S
 0:00 /sbin/dhclient -d -4 -sf /usr/libexec/nm-dhcp-client.action -pf
 /var/run/dhclient-eth0.pid -lf
 /var/lib/dhclient/dhclient-5fb06bd0-0bb0-7ffb-45f1-d6edd65f3e03-eth0.lease
 -cf /var/run/nm-dhclient-eth0.conf eth0

 In examining /var/run/nm-dhclient-eth0.conf the 'send host-name
 pds-lnxt500;' is present along with the other modifications.

 If the dhclient was the problem, I wouldn't expect the other 2 Ubuntu
 machines to work either.

 -pete

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Re: Fedora NetworkManager and dhclient help request

[John Abreau]

Hi, Pete.

In your reply, you refer to

/etc/dhclient-eth0.conf:

but I see no mention in your reply of

/etc/sysconfig/network-scritps/ifcfg-eth0

I've had problems with NetworkManager in the past that I finally
resolved by editing ifcfg-eth0. The behavior I observed was that
whenever I made changes to the network settings elsewhere,
NetworkManager would quickly notice them and then silently
change them back to match what was in ifcfg-eth0.

If dhclient-eth0.conf looks correct but ifcfg-eth0 is not, then
maybe that's why it's not working.

If you haven't already done so, I suggest trying what Shawn
O'Shea suggested earlier in this thread: put a line in ifcfg-eth0
that reads

DHCP_HOSTNAME=pds-lnxt500



On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Pete Snider pds...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Ken D'Ambrosio k...@jots.org wrote:
 Hey, Pete -- I refer you to the e-mail thread from when I asked the very same
 question:
 http://answerpot.com/showthread.php?2777045-Dynamic+DNS%3A+Ubuntu+vs.+CentOS.
 or http://tinyurl.com/6hav84b

 (I know there are other archives, but this was the first Google hit.)

 Shawn's response (search for Shawn) was the magic that did the trick for 
 me.

 -Ken



 On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 11:42:54 -0400 Pete Snider pds...@gmail.com wrote

 Hi,

 As numerous places of work are, I am in a mostly windows shop.  I'm
 having problems with fedora network manager not setting the hostname
 through dhclient to the windows dns and dhcp server.  There are 2
 people here that are using Ubuntu without any problems.  I tried the
 same setup but it fails.  I created /etc/dhclient-eth0.conf with the
 following entries below and still not working.  The values do are in
 /var/run/nm-dhclient-eth0.conf used by dhclient.

 Any ideas on what to check next or how to resolve the issue.

 thanks,
 -pete


 contents of /etc/dhclient-eth0.conf:

 option rfc3442-classless-static-routes code 121 = array of unsigned integer
 8;

 send fqdn.fqdn pds-lnxt500.xyz.com.;
 send fqdn.server-update on;
 send option host-name pds-lnxt500;

 request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers,
         domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search, host-name,
         netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope, interface-mtu,
         rfc3442-classless-static-routes, ntp-servers;

 interface tun0 {
      send option fqdn.fqdn pds-lnxt500-vpn.xyz.com.;
      send option host-name pds-lnxt500-vpn;
      send option fqdn.server-update on;
      }
 ___

 I did see your's and other google pages about this.  I've tried both
 'send option host-name pds-lnxt500;' and 'send host-name
 pds-lnxt500;'   without success.   Notice that fqdn.fqdn and
 fqdn.server-update are also sent.  The ps output: 6102 ?        S
 0:00 /sbin/dhclient -d -4 -sf /usr/libexec/nm-dhcp-client.action -pf
 /var/run/dhclient-eth0.pid -lf
 /var/lib/dhclient/dhclient-5fb06bd0-0bb0-7ffb-45f1-d6edd65f3e03-eth0.lease
 -cf /var/run/nm-dhclient-eth0.conf eth0

 In examining /var/run/nm-dhclient-eth0.conf the 'send host-name
 pds-lnxt500;' is present along with the other modifications.

 If the dhclient was the problem, I wouldn't expect the other 2 Ubuntu
 machines to work either.

 -pete

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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe?

[Bill Sconce]

On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:50:27 -0400
Bill Sconce sco...@in-spec-inc.com wrote:

 a whole stream of replies -- and most significantly,
 an answer to the last question.  (I.e., don't give up.)

I'm glad I (we) didn't.  Victory!


 Thanks to everyone who responded.  I'll do some more reading 
 and choose a new approach.  The library shall have its laptops
 FREE OF MICROSOFT after all!
 
 More later...

I was back at the library today, armed with the information from
this thread.  I explained to the librarian the copyright issues
regarding firmware (and what firmware is), how the Linux community
works, how it's very seldom that any one of us is the first to
encounter a problem, and how conversely the solution to your
problem is often just an e-mail away.

I took in some CAT5 cables and a small hub, connected the first
laptop via cable, and was able to download and use fwcutter (as
recommended here and at the URLs suggested here).  I restarted
NetworkManager, and Presto.  Wireless!  There was their (unsecured)
wifi in the popdown list.  Just like on Windows.  We look like
heros.  Heck, we ARE heros...

They'll use the first laptop for a week or two, see how patrons
like it or what problems they find, then we'll do the other laptop.

So far, so good.

(Thanks to this list!  The Broadcom picture has become less
disgusting than I remembered it, but I would have thrown in the
towel rather than pursue the answer without the tips, and
encouragement, from GNHLUG.)

-Bill


P.S.  There was a yucky part, of course: for the first time ever
I had to install the unspeakable Flash plugin on a Linux system...
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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe?

[Benjamin Scott]

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Bill Sconce sco...@in-spec-inc.com wrote:
 We look like
 heros.  Heck, we ARE heros...

Mal: Well, look at this! Appears we got here just in the nick of time.
What does that make us?
Zoe: Big damn heroes, sir!
Mal: Ain't we just?

  Good job, Bill!

 P.S.  There was a yucky part, of course: for the first time ever
 I had to install the unspeakable Flash plugin on a Linux system...

  I suggest Firefox 3.6.4 (now in beta), which gives you
out-of-process plugins, thereby keeping most of Flash's braindamage
isolated from the rest of the browser.

-- Ben

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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe? [now OT]

[Tom Buskey]

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Dan Jenkins d...@rastech.com wrote:
 We don't have to wear spandex, do we??
 I, for one, definitely do not look good in spandex.
 But a cape might be cool.

  No capes!  Thunderhead, Stratogale, the list goes on...


Yeah, but Thunderhead

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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe? [now OT]

[Dan Jenkins]

On 6/11/2010 4:34 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote:
 It's *us*. *We're* the Software Freedom Squad.
 Since when?

 Since *now*.

We don't have to wear spandex, do we??
I, for one, definitely do not look good in spandex.
But a cape might be cool.
My business partner, Keith, actually would look good in spandex. (He can 
lift 1,000 pounds.)
:-)

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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe? [now OT]

[Benjamin Scott]

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Dan Jenkins d...@rastech.com wrote:
 We don't have to wear spandex, do we??
 I, for one, definitely do not look good in spandex.
 But a cape might be cool.

  No capes!  Thunderhead, Stratogale, the list goes on...

-- Ben
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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe?

[Joshua Judson Rosen]

David Rysdam da...@rysdam.org writes:

 On 06/10/2010 05:32 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote:
  Dan Jenkins d...@rastech.com writes:
   I haven't had as much luck with Fedora and Centos, though I didn't 
   really try to; just gave the folk network cards which did work and put 
   the Broadcoms in Windows laptops. (I had a surplus of laptops to 
   exchange components between, and an enormous time crunch to just get 
   things working.)
  
  I just had a thought along those lines, myself: depending on how much
  Bill's time is worth to him, might it actually make sense to just
  donate the $10-per ($20 total?) required to buy Linux-compatible WiFi
  adaptors?
 
 That was my very first thought as well.  I was even going to ask what
 library it was.  If it's one of the ones I visit, I'd be willing to chip
 in (or outright pay for it) too.
 
 If there are a lot of libraries being infected with Micros~1
 generosity someone should form a roving band of Software Freedom
 Fighters...

It's *us*. *We're* the Software Freedom Squad.

Since when?

Since *now*.

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Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe?

[Bill Sconce]

I got an e-mail a couple of weeks ago, from a public library in a
small New Hampshire town, with the subject

HELP SAVE US FROM MICROSOFT!

(I am not making this up.)  Such a plea caused me to do some
perhaps-foolish things.  I called the library; I volunteered
to help them; I omitted to ask what hardware was involved.

Turns out they had acquired a pair of Dell E5500 laptops (under
a Gates Foundation grant, I believe), and of course the machines
came with you-know-who's software.  And not just the operating
system, but a selection of add-on cruft including DeepFreeze and
role management apps, the combination of which proved to be a
nightmare and impossible to get or keep working.  Eventually
someone suggested to the library that the Linux community
might be able to help; somehow my name came up, and I received
the HELP SAVE US message.

After an initial visit, I burned a Fedora 13 live CD for them
to try, took it over to the library, booted it and showed it off.
All OK.

But then the zinger: of COURSE...they only use wireless.  And
of COURSE...the laptop has a Broadcom Wifi adapter.  And of course
it doesn't work.

I've spent today so far researching. I searched my GNHLUG archives
and found only one discussion, circa 2/22.(*)

From the Web it looks like fwcutter, proprietary firmware
copyrights, kernel modules...pretty ugly.  (And Latitudes use
Nvidia, but it does seem that Fedora 13 has the Nvidia part
working.)

Does anyone have experience, either with this laptop (Dell
Dimension E5500) or with getting a $#! Broadcom adapter to work
(a 4318 apparently) -- or experience which justifies a decision
to just not do this?


Many thanks!

Be_careful_what_you_volunteer_for'ly yrs,

-Bill


(*) 2/22: Wherein Alan Johnson offers the clearly definitive advice,
 In any case, be sure to steer clear of Broadcom.

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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe?

[Alan Johnson]

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Bill Sconce sco...@in-spec-inc.com wrote:

 After an initial visit, I burned a Fedora 13 live CD for them
 to try, took it over to the library, booted it and showed it off.
 All OK.

 But then the zinger: of COURSE...they only use wireless.  And
 of COURSE...the laptop has a Broadcom Wifi adapter.  And of course
 it doesn't work.


I've since install Ubuntu 9.10 on a really old Dell laptop with broadcom
wifi and it works beautifully.  It is not there right after install, but
when connected wired, it hardware driver tool finds the necessary packages
and installs them with minimal effort.  You must simply agree to the
warnings about installing prorpietary crap, and it just works.  That said, I
don't believe all broadcoms are the same, so YMMV, but it is worth a shot
IMHO.  If it were me, I'd tried 10.04 first since that is long term service.

In full disclosure, this machine was rebuild for my son to use with an
Arduino board I got him for his 5th birthday, so it has not spent much time
in the on state. So, I can't speak explicitly to stability, but I never
had trouble keeping these Broadcoms on line once they were on.


 (*) 2/22: Wherein Alan Johnson offers the clearly definitive advice,
 In any case, be sure to steer clear of Broadcom.


Awe, shucks. =)  Also, I think that same thread lists several very cheap USB
wifi options that just work in Linux.  You can find a nice list of them some
where on wiki.ubuntu.com and I expect Fedora has something similar.
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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe?

[Cole Tuininga]

Bill Sconce wrote:
 But then the zinger: of COURSE...they only use wireless.  And
 of COURSE...the laptop has a Broadcom Wifi adapter.  And of course
 it doesn't work.
 

My netbook reports having a Network controller: Broadcom Corporation
BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01).  It's currently running Ubuntu 10.04, with
the proprietary broadcom drives (installed by the handy Hardware
Drivers application).  I didn't have to do any work to get it going ...
just installed the driver and all was seemingly well.

This is not intended as a my distro is better than insert other
distro - just a data point that it worked fine for me.

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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe?

[Jerry Feldman]

On 06/10/2010 02:30 PM, Alan Johnson wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Bill Sconce sco...@in-spec-inc.com
 mailto:sco...@in-spec-inc.com wrote:

 After an initial visit, I burned a Fedora 13 live CD for them
 to try, took it over to the library, booted it and showed it off.
 All OK.

 But then the zinger: of COURSE...they only use wireless.  And
 of COURSE...the laptop has a Broadcom Wifi adapter.  And of course
 it doesn't work.


 I've since install Ubuntu 9.10 on a really old Dell laptop with
 broadcom wifi and it works beautifully.  It is not there right after
 install, but when connected wired, it hardware driver tool finds the
 necessary packages and installs them with minimal effort.  You must
 simply agree to the warnings about installing prorpietary crap, and it
 just works.  That said, I don't believe all broadcoms are the same, so
 YMMV, but it is worth a shot IMHO.  If it were me, I'd tried 10.04
 first since that is long term service.

 In full disclosure, this machine was rebuild for my son to use with an
 Arduino board I got him for his 5th birthday, so it has not spent much
 time in the on state. So, I can't speak explicitly to stability, but
 I never had trouble keeping these Broadcoms on line once they were on.
  

 (*) 2/22: Wherein Alan Johnson offers the clearly definitive advice,
 In any case, be sure to steer clear of Broadcom.


 Awe, shucks. =)  Also, I think that same thread lists several very
 cheap USB wifi options that just work in Linux.  You can find a nice
 list of them some where on wiki.ubuntu.com http://wiki.ubuntu.com
 and I expect Fedora has something similar.

Most Broadcom chips work fine in Linux. Like Alan, my laptop is running
fine with Ubuntu 9.10, but it also ran SuSE and Fedora.
First of all you need to install /b43/-/fwcutter. This tool is needed to
extract and install the firmware.  The ubuntu packages for fwcutter will
prompt you to automatically download and install the firmware, but other
distros do not. I recently helped a guy at the installfest who was
installing Linux Mint. In his case, rather than doing it the manual way
I removed the fwcutter package he installed and installed the Ubuntu
9.10 version. His wireless worked after that. /Here is a pretty decent
site that tells you how to install fwcutter and the firmware:
http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43.

Additionally, do not use ndiswrapper unless you absolutely have to. That
is like flying a 150 upside down with a manual fuel pump.

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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe?

[Jerry Feldman]

On 06/10/2010 02:33 PM, Cole Tuininga wrote:
 Bill Sconce wrote:
   
 But then the zinger: of COURSE...they only use wireless.  And
 of COURSE...the laptop has a Broadcom Wifi adapter.  And of course
 it doesn't work.

 
 My netbook reports having a Network controller: Broadcom Corporation
 BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01).  It's currently running Ubuntu 10.04, with
 the proprietary broadcom drives (installed by the handy Hardware
 Drivers application).  I didn't have to do any work to get it going ...
 just installed the driver and all was seemingly well.

 This is not intended as a my distro is better than insert other
 distro - just a data point that it worked fine for me.

   
Coreection my laptop is currently running 10.04 not 9.10 not that it matters

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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe?

[Shawn O'Shea]

Google results seem to suggest for Fedora that you have 2 options:
* Get the proprietary Broadcom firmware and use the fw-cutter tool to
extract the firmware and drop it in /lib/firmware
http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#device_firmware_installation

* Use the open rewrite/replacement from the OpenFWWF project which is
allegedly as simple as a yum install b43-openfwwf
Project: http://www.ing.unibs.it/openfwwf/
Forum post where I read about it:
http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=228418

-Shawn

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Bill Sconce sco...@in-spec-inc.com wrote:

 I got an e-mail a couple of weeks ago, from a public library in a
 small New Hampshire town, with the subject

HELP SAVE US FROM MICROSOFT!

 (I am not making this up.)  Such a plea caused me to do some
 perhaps-foolish things.  I called the library; I volunteered
 to help them; I omitted to ask what hardware was involved.

 Turns out they had acquired a pair of Dell E5500 laptops (under
 a Gates Foundation grant, I believe), and of course the machines
 came with you-know-who's software.  And not just the operating
 system, but a selection of add-on cruft including DeepFreeze and
 role management apps, the combination of which proved to be a
 nightmare and impossible to get or keep working.  Eventually
 someone suggested to the library that the Linux community
 might be able to help; somehow my name came up, and I received
 the HELP SAVE US message.

 After an initial visit, I burned a Fedora 13 live CD for them
 to try, took it over to the library, booted it and showed it off.
 All OK.

 But then the zinger: of COURSE...they only use wireless.  And
 of COURSE...the laptop has a Broadcom Wifi adapter.  And of course
 it doesn't work.

 I've spent today so far researching. I searched my GNHLUG archives
 and found only one discussion, circa 2/22.(*)

 From the Web it looks like fwcutter, proprietary firmware
 copyrights, kernel modules...pretty ugly.  (And Latitudes use
 Nvidia, but it does seem that Fedora 13 has the Nvidia part
 working.)

 Does anyone have experience, either with this laptop (Dell
 Dimension E5500) or with getting a $#! Broadcom adapter to work
 (a 4318 apparently) -- or experience which justifies a decision
 to just not do this?


 Many thanks!

 Be_careful_what_you_volunteer_for'ly yrs,

 -Bill


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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe?

[Ed lawson]

On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:11:01 -0400
Bill Sconce sco...@in-spec-inc.com wrote:


 
 Does anyone have experience, either with this laptop (Dell
 Dimension E5500) or with getting a $#! Broadcom adapter to work
 (a 4318 apparently)

Wow.  Before I could finish typing this after interruption I see
several have pointed out my suggestions which is to try Ubuntu.  It has
quite a few debs for proprietary drivers including some Broadcom
Wireless cards which have worked for me in the past.  

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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe?

[Jerry Feldman]

On 06/10/2010 02:35 PM, kenta wrote:

 Why not use fwcutter? I used it recently with Ubuntu 10 .04 on an
 aging Dell laptop (I don't remember the model, but it was about an 2
 inch thick brick of a laptop). It too had a Broadcomm chip based
 wireless adapter and after an apt-get and hitting OK a few times
 I was on 'net in under 5 minutes.

 The alternative for broadcom's seems to be to setup NDISWRAPPER with
 the windows driver which takes some additional time. If my memory
 serves me correctly, a lot more of a hassle.

   
As I mentioned, the Ubuntu version of b43_fwcutter package will
automatically prompt you to download the firmware, but other distros do
not. What fwcutter does is to cut out the firmware from the windows
driver and with the appropriate options place it into
/lib/modules/kernel version/kernel/drivers/firmware.

If you take a look at dmesg, you will see that the b43 driver fails
because the firmware has not been loaded.

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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe?

[Ted Roche]

On 06/10/2010 02:11 PM, Bill Sconce wrote:
 (I am not making this up.)  Such a plea caused me to do some
 perhaps-foolish things.  I called the library; I volunteered
 to help them; I omitted to ask what hardware was involved.
   
No good deed goes unpunished.
 Does anyone have experience, either with this laptop (Dell
 Dimension E5500) or with getting a $#! Broadcom adapter to work
 (a 4318 apparently) -- or experience which justifies a decision
 to just not do this?
   
Linksys uses Broadcom drivers in their wireless access points, so
apparently I've gotten quite a few drivers working.

I stumbled across this page which seems to have a lot of suggestions,
Fedora-specific:

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-239922.html

As an alternative, you might suggest they buy a wireless card which is
supportable, but then you'll be responsible for identifying the correct
card: ExpressCard, CardBus, PCMCIA and which vendor is using which chip
in which revision...

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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe?

[Bill Sconce]

On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:11:01 -0400
Bill Sconce sco...@in-spec-inc.com wrote:

 Does anyone have experience, either with this laptop (Dell
 Dimension E5500) or with getting a $#! Broadcom adapter to work
 (a 4318 apparently) -- or experience which justifies a decision
 to just not do this?

Look at that!  Before I can even get back from customer site to
check my mail, a whole stream of replies -- and most significantly,
an answer to the last question.  (I.e., don't give up.)

Thanks to everyone who responded.  I'll do some more reading 
and choose a new approach.  The library shall have its laptops
FREE OF MICROSOFT after all!

More later...

-Bill
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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe?

[Ed lawson]

On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:50:27 -0400
Bill Sconce sco...@in-spec-inc.com wrote:


  The library shall have its laptops
 FREE OF MICROSOFT after all!
 
 More later...
 

Of course you could go crazy and turn them into thin clients.  You have
seen how well that works as I recall in an educational environment.
Might be a gig there...as if you needed one.

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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe?

[Jarod Wilson]

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Shawn O'Shea sh...@eth0.net wrote:
 Google results seem to suggest for Fedora that you have 2 options:
 * Get the proprietary Broadcom firmware and use the fw-cutter tool to
 extract the firmware and drop it in /lib/firmware
 http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#device_firmware_installation

 * Use the open rewrite/replacement from the OpenFWWF project which is
 allegedly as simple as a yum install b43-openfwwf
 Project: http://www.ing.unibs.it/openfwwf/
 Forum post where I read about it:
 http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=228418

There's an option #3 for Broadcom wifi cards, Broadcom's hybrid-wl
driver, which I suspect is what Cole is running on Ubuntu, and which
is also packaged for Fedora in the RPM Fusion repositories.

http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php
http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/updates/13/x86_64/kmod-wl-2.6.33.5-112.fc13.x86_64-5.60.48.36-1.fc13.7.x86_64.rpm


 On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Bill Sconce sco...@in-spec-inc.com wrote:

 I got an e-mail a couple of weeks ago, from a public library in a
 small New Hampshire town, with the subject

    HELP SAVE US FROM MICROSOFT!

 (I am not making this up.)  Such a plea caused me to do some
 perhaps-foolish things.  I called the library; I volunteered
 to help them; I omitted to ask what hardware was involved.

 Turns out they had acquired a pair of Dell E5500 laptops (under
 a Gates Foundation grant, I believe), and of course the machines
 came with you-know-who's software.  And not just the operating
 system, but a selection of add-on cruft including DeepFreeze and
 role management apps, the combination of which proved to be a
 nightmare and impossible to get or keep working.  Eventually
 someone suggested to the library that the Linux community
 might be able to help; somehow my name came up, and I received
 the HELP SAVE US message.

 After an initial visit, I burned a Fedora 13 live CD for them
 to try, took it over to the library, booted it and showed it off.
 All OK.

 But then the zinger: of COURSE...they only use wireless.  And
 of COURSE...the laptop has a Broadcom Wifi adapter.  And of course
 it doesn't work.

 I've spent today so far researching. I searched my GNHLUG archives
 and found only one discussion, circa 2/22.(*)

 From the Web it looks like fwcutter, proprietary firmware
 copyrights, kernel modules...pretty ugly.  (And Latitudes use
 Nvidia, but it does seem that Fedora 13 has the Nvidia part
 working.)

 Does anyone have experience, either with this laptop (Dell
 Dimension E5500) or with getting a $#! Broadcom adapter to work
 (a 4318 apparently) -- or experience which justifies a decision
 to just not do this?


 Many thanks!

 Be_careful_what_you_volunteer_for'ly yrs,

 -Bill


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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe?

[Dan Jenkins]

On 6/10/2010 2:11 PM, Bill Sconce wrote:
  I got an e-mail a couple of weeks ago, from a public library in a
  small New Hampshire town, with the subject

  HELP SAVE US FROM MICROSOFT!

  (I am not making this up.)  Such a plea caused me to do some
  perhaps-foolish things.  I called the library; I volunteered to help
  them; I omitted to ask what hardware was involved.

  Does anyone have experience, either with this laptop (Dell Dimension
  E5500) or with getting a $#! Broadcom adapter to work (a 4318
  apparently) -- or experience which justifies a decision to just not
  do this?

I've had almost no trouble getting Broadcom to work with Ubuntu and 
Mandriva distros. Just get the most current versions.

I haven't had as much luck with Fedora and Centos, though I didn't 
really try to; just gave the folk network cards which did work and put 
the Broadcoms in Windows laptops. (I had a surplus of laptops to 
exchange components between, and an enormous time crunch to just get 
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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe?

[Joshua Judson Rosen]

Dan Jenkins d...@rastech.com writes:

 On 6/10/2010 2:11 PM, Bill Sconce wrote:
   I got an e-mail a couple of weeks ago, from a public library in a
   small New Hampshire town, with the subject
 
   HELP SAVE US FROM MICROSOFT!
 
   (I am not making this up.)  Such a plea caused me to do some
   perhaps-foolish things.  I called the library; I volunteered to help
   them; I omitted to ask what hardware was involved.
 
   Does anyone have experience, either with this laptop (Dell Dimension
   E5500) or with getting a $#! Broadcom adapter to work (a 4318
   apparently) -- or experience which justifies a decision to just not
   do this?
 
 I've had almost no trouble getting Broadcom to work with Ubuntu and 
 Mandriva distros. Just get the most current versions.
 
 I haven't had as much luck with Fedora and Centos, though I didn't 
 really try to; just gave the folk network cards which did work and put 
 the Broadcoms in Windows laptops. (I had a surplus of laptops to 
 exchange components between, and an enormous time crunch to just get 
 things working.)

I just had a thought along those lines, myself: depending on how much
Bill's time is worth to him, might it actually make sense to just
donate the $10-per ($20 total?) required to buy Linux-compatible WiFi
adaptors?

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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe?

[Jarod Wilson]

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Ed lawson elaw...@grizzy.com wrote:
 On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:50:27 -0400
 Bill Sconce sco...@in-spec-inc.com wrote:


  The library shall have its laptops
 FREE OF MICROSOFT after all!

 More later...


 Of course you could go crazy and turn them into thin clients.  You have
 seen how well that works as I recall in an educational environment.
 Might be a gig there...as if you needed one.

Thin clients over wifi? Ew, no thanks. :)

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Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe?

[David Rysdam]

On 06/10/2010 05:32 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote:
 Dan Jenkins d...@rastech.com writes:
 I haven't had as much luck with Fedora and Centos, though I didn't 
 really try to; just gave the folk network cards which did work and put 
 the Broadcoms in Windows laptops. (I had a surplus of laptops to 
 exchange components between, and an enormous time crunch to just get 
 things working.)
 
 I just had a thought along those lines, myself: depending on how much
 Bill's time is worth to him, might it actually make sense to just
 donate the $10-per ($20 total?) required to buy Linux-compatible WiFi
 adaptors?

That was my very first thought as well.  I was even going to ask what
library it was.  If it's one of the ones I visit, I'd be willing to chip
in (or outright pay for it) too.

If there are a lot of libraries being infected with Micros~1
generosity someone should form a roving band of Software Freedom
Fighters...


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Re: DDQOTD (Dumb Distro Question of the Day) Does Fedora 10 install as a 64 bit OS when it senses 64 bit hardware?

[Alex Hewitt]

Alex Hewitt wrote:
 Jarod Wilson wrote:
   
 Alex Hewitt wrote:
   
 
 Just an update - the system that I was trying to install various 64 bit 
 Linux distros also wouldn't install Vista 64. Turns out the processor I 
 was using has some kind of TLB bug (AMD Phenom X4 9600).
 
   
 Oh, haha, yeah, that tlb erratum was a nasty one... Prices on the 9x00 
 series Phenom all dropped quite a bit after that one was discovered, and 
 they were quickly replaced by 9x50 Phenoms, but they still sold the ones 
 already out to resellers... (iirc).

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 Here's a writeup on the Phenom processors and a description of the tlb bug:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenom_(processor)

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day! Installed Ubuntu 9.04 and the machine is very fast...

Happy, happy,

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Re: DDQOTD (Dumb Distro Question of the Day) Does Fedora 10 install as a 64 bit OS when it senses 64 bit hardware?

[Alex Hewitt]

Ben Scott wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Alex Hewitt hewitt_t...@comcast.net wrote:
   
 Linux hostname.localdomain 2.6.27.5.117.fc10.i686.PAE #1 SMP Tue Nov 18
 12:08:10 EST 2008 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
 

   The i386 indicates the running kernel is for the i386
 architecture.  In other words, 32-bit.  A kernel for x86-64 will
 identify the architecture as amd64 or x86-64 or something like
 that.  (In an interesting historical twist, AMD invented Long Mode
 and Intel copied AMD.)

   
 When I issue the free command I see all 8 gb of RAM. Does that mean that
 the distro installed itself as a 64 bit version?
 

   Nope.  As Ted says, PAE means the processor can see more than 4 GiB
 of RAM, even when in 32-bit protected mode.  Most processors made
 since 1997 or so support PAE.  Many (but not all) motherboards do as
 well.

   With PAE supported and enabled:

 * The physical address bus has 36 lines.  These are the actual pins
 coming out of the processor.
 * The physical address word is 36 bits wide.
 * The page table structures change to support the larger physical address 
 word.
 * A third level of page table indirection is added to support the
 larger page tables.
 * The processor can address up to 64 GiB of RAM or other hardware.
 * The virtual address word (point size) is still 32-bit.
 * Each process is still limited to a 4 GiB virtual address space.
 * Each process is still limited to a 3 GiB user virtual address space
 (kernel reserves 1 GiB).

   The common scenario where PAE is of benefit is a multiple-process
 workload, where no single process needs more than 3 GiB of memory, but
 the aggregate memory use of all processes is greater than 4 GiB.  The
 kernel and MMU can map different RAM pages into each process's virtual
 address space.

   It is possible for an OS to support bank switching, to enable a
 single process to make use of more than 4 GiB of RAM.  At the
 process's request, the kernel can change the memory mapping for the
 process.  For example, say the process writes 1 GiB of data into
 memory, and then tells the kernel to switch that with a new 1 GiB
 block.  The kernel unmaps that 1 GiB of RAM, but leaves it allocated.
 The drawback is the application has to do its own memory management.
 I don't know if Linux implements this.  Microsoft does for Windows,
 but they kind of had to, because they were so late to the 64-bit
 party.

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Just an update - the system that I was trying to install various 64 bit 
Linux distros also wouldn't install Vista 64. Turns out the processor I 
was using has some kind of TLB bug (AMD Phenom X4 9600). I RMA'd the 
processor after finding that I couldn't easily communicate with anyone 
at AMD. AMD support requires that you register with them and no matter 
how much I tried I couldn't get the registration completed. One might 
suspect that they don't actually want to talk with their customers.  
Under the circumstances I RMA'd to my supplier who granted an exception 
return under a lack of compatibility category. I ordered AMD's new 
Phenom II 940 processor which seems to get excellent reviews. I really 
need a 64 bit platform because I'm running software that manipulates 
large images.

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DDQOTD (Dumb Distro Question of the Day) Does Fedora 10 install as a 64 bit OS when it senses 64 bit hardware?

[Alex Hewitt]

I have a copy of Fedora 10 that came inside a Linux Format magazine. I 
installed it on a new system with 8 gb of RAM and a quad core AMD CPU. 
When I issue the free command I see all 8 gb of RAM. Does that mean that 
the distro installed itself as a 64 bit version? If so, is there an easy 
way to tell? uname -a gives:

Linux hostname.localdomain 2.6.27.5.117.fc10.i686.PAE #1 SMP Tue Nov 18 
12:08:10 EST 2008 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux

-Alex

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Re: DDQOTD (Dumb Distro Question of the Day) Does Fedora 10 install as a 64 bit OS when it senses 64 bit hardware?

[Ted Roche]

Alex Hewitt wrote:
 I have a copy of Fedora 10 that came inside a Linux Format magazine. I 
 installed it on a new system with 8 gb of RAM and a quad core AMD CPU. 
 When I issue the free command I see all 8 gb of RAM. Does that mean that 
 the distro installed itself as a 64 bit version? If so, is there an easy 
 way to tell? uname -a gives:

 Linux hostname.localdomain 2.6.27.5.117.fc10.i686.PAE #1 SMP Tue Nov 18 
 12:08:10 EST 2008 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux

 -Alex

   
Hi, Alex:

There are few dumb questions. This isn't one of them.

That's a 32-bit version of Fedora, that uses PAE [1] something 
kinda-like LIMS memory, only done right. There is a 64-bit version of 
Fedora, but you'd need to download that one specifically, from:

http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-all

 From what I hear (and Everyone please chime in if I'm out to lunch) is 
that the PAE version will let you access all the memory, but won't run 
64 bit applications. The 64-bit will run both 64-bit and 32-bit. 
Performance, except for some real edge cases, is pretty similar between 
the two.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension

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Re: DDQOTD (Dumb Distro Question of the Day) Does Fedora 10 install as a 64 bit OS when it senses 64 bit hardware?

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Alex Hewitt hewitt_t...@comcast.net wrote:
 Linux hostname.localdomain 2.6.27.5.117.fc10.i686.PAE #1 SMP Tue Nov 18
 12:08:10 EST 2008 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux

  The i386 indicates the running kernel is for the i386
architecture.  In other words, 32-bit.  A kernel for x86-64 will
identify the architecture as amd64 or x86-64 or something like
that.  (In an interesting historical twist, AMD invented Long Mode
and Intel copied AMD.)

 When I issue the free command I see all 8 gb of RAM. Does that mean that
 the distro installed itself as a 64 bit version?

  Nope.  As Ted says, PAE means the processor can see more than 4 GiB
of RAM, even when in 32-bit protected mode.  Most processors made
since 1997 or so support PAE.  Many (but not all) motherboards do as
well.

  With PAE supported and enabled:

* The physical address bus has 36 lines.  These are the actual pins
coming out of the processor.
* The physical address word is 36 bits wide.
* The page table structures change to support the larger physical address word.
* A third level of page table indirection is added to support the
larger page tables.
* The processor can address up to 64 GiB of RAM or other hardware.
* The virtual address word (point size) is still 32-bit.
* Each process is still limited to a 4 GiB virtual address space.
* Each process is still limited to a 3 GiB user virtual address space
(kernel reserves 1 GiB).

  The common scenario where PAE is of benefit is a multiple-process
workload, where no single process needs more than 3 GiB of memory, but
the aggregate memory use of all processes is greater than 4 GiB.  The
kernel and MMU can map different RAM pages into each process's virtual
address space.

  It is possible for an OS to support bank switching, to enable a
single process to make use of more than 4 GiB of RAM.  At the
process's request, the kernel can change the memory mapping for the
process.  For example, say the process writes 1 GiB of data into
memory, and then tells the kernel to switch that with a new 1 GiB
block.  The kernel unmaps that 1 GiB of RAM, but leaves it allocated.
The drawback is the application has to do its own memory management.
I don't know if Linux implements this.  Microsoft does for Windows,
but they kind of had to, because they were so late to the 64-bit
party.

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Re: Review Fedora Unleashed 2008 Edition ISBN-13: 978-0-672-32977-7

[Lloyd Kvam]

On Wed, 2008-12-31 at 17:55 -0500, Alex Hewitt wrote:
 This book would be useful for someone who wants to cover Fedora's 
 features

I've also posted this review to the LUG library page.
(I assumed you would approve, Alex)

http://www.librarything.com/work/5294882/book/30093988

I'm happy to post reviews for anyone who writes them.  I can also give
you the password to the library site so that you could do your own
editing.

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Review Fedora Unleashed 2008 Edition ISBN-13: 978-0-672-32977-7

[Alex Hewitt]

This book, one of a series of Unleashed books published by SAMS is a 
topical work designed to instruct intermediate to advanced users of 
RedHat's Fedora distribution of Linux. This edition covers Fedora 
version 8 and includes a DVD with the software. It also states that if 
the book is registered in 2008, a free Fedora version 9 DVD will be sent 
to the owner provided the owner registers the book at the publisher's 
web site. My reading of the material suggests that the book should have 
targeted beginner to intermediate users. The authors attempt to cover a 
lot of ground and there is a fair bit of historical asides to keep up 
interest.

I have purchased Unleashed books before but noted that they suffered 
from several problems. One problem that makes the book much less useful 
as a reference is relatively poor indexing. To cite one example, if you 
look up ntfs in the index you will find minimally useful references that 
lead you to pages in the book that simply inform the reader that ntfs is 
a file system designed and released by the Microsoft corporation. Much 
earlier in the book in the How to install section the authors mention 
that Windows users will already have at least one ntfs partition on 
their computers and that the ntfs partition will need to be re-sized in 
order to install Fedora. Unfortunately quite a bit of vital information 
will either not be present or will be difficult to find due to poor 
indexing.

An advanced book on Fedora would likely have a detailed description of 
RAID technology. Although on page 277 of the book the authors state that 
more information will be available in chapter 35, no such information 
was present leading me to think that the editing of this book left a lot 
to be desired.

Still, despite the shortcomings the authors have written a book that 
most readers should find easy to absorb. They try hard to be thorough 
and have certainly delivered lot's of useful information. Delivering 
this much material would seem to be a Herculean task.

This book would be useful for someone who wants to cover Fedora's 
features but it is less useful as a reference book. I'm not sure how 
useful the Programming Linux part of the book would be to users since 
I think this is better covered in separate material.

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Fedora 10 ISOs available at...

[William Stearns]

Good morning, all,
If you're not able to get ISOs via bittorrent, I have the i686 and 
x86_64 DVD and Live ISOs at http://lunkwill.dartmouth.edu/linux/ .  The 
Fedora-10-i386-DVD is still downloading, and should be finished by around 
1:30pm.
Cheers,
- Bill

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Re: Fedora 10 ISOs available at...

[Jarod Wilson]

On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 11:32 -0500, William Stearns wrote:
 Good morning, all,
   If you're not able to get ISOs via bittorrent, I have the i686 and 
 x86_64 DVD and Live ISOs at http://lunkwill.dartmouth.edu/linux/ .  The 
 Fedora-10-i386-DVD is still downloading, and should be finished by around 
 1:30pm.

Anyone that is bandwidth-impaired, but wants a copy of any of the isos
and is willing to drive by the Tyngsboro area, let me know in advance,
and I'd be happy to burn some discs (or you can bring your own
disc(s)/laptop/portable HD/etc).

I'm seeding the i386, x86_64 and ppc DVD torrents on my fios connection
here at home, have pushed out over 10GB since the official release at
10am today, steady 300K/s outgoing the entire time...

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Fedora

[Bruce Labitt]

Now that we've heard from Jarrod, it gives me the opportunity to ask a 
question or two about Fedora.

You may remember my woes of dealing with SciLinux and essentially 
concluding it wasn't modern enough for what I wanted to do.  (64 bit / 
3D imaging / rotation / scientific)  I am not too happy with wrestling 
with the SciLinux distro to get stuff done. 

Does Fedora suit my needs?  I thought it was safer to go with Scientific 
Linux 5.2 - sure it was safe, but it wasn't productive enough.  Lesson 
learned perhaps.  I dunno, maybe I'm dense.  I took my shot at it and 
ended up in flames:0 .  So I get to try again.  I guess I'm lucky to at 
least try again.  (I'm a glutton for punishment - I have YDL on my QS22 
blade.)

Is there a Fedora 10? or is that in alpha?  I just am a bit leary of the 
upgrade cycle for Fedora.  Can one relatively painlessly upgrade from 
Fedora 9 to 10?
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Re: Fedora

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Bruce Labitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is there a Fedora 10? or is that in alpha?

  The current general release is Fedora 9.

  From my point of view, the Fedora project is *always* in
development/testing mode for the next release.  The stated goal of the
Fedora Project is to provide a platform for the latest and greatest
ideas in Open Source.  They target a general release every six months,
but work for the next release is always happening.  That can be a
good thing or an irritation, depending on what you want.

 Can one relatively painlessly upgrade from Fedora 9 to 10?

  The official upgrade path for Fedora is to download disc images for
the latest release, burn and boot from disc, and follow the prompts to
upgrade.

  I've read several reports about upgrading the running system
in-place, using yum, but they always come with big warnings about how
they're unofficial, not supported, here there be dragons, etc.

  The actual upgrade mechanism itself tends to work pretty well -- Red
Hat's been doing this for 15 or so years, and they've gotten the
techniques down.

  The problems arise from the packages being upgraded.  They don't
always work so well.  Fedora is not afraid to scrap old ideas and try
new ones.  Sometimes the new ideas don't actually work so well.
Sometimes they try something for one release and then abandon it for
the next.  Again, that's stated up-front: They're willing to sacrifice
some backwards compatibility to advance the state of the art.

  I currently run Fedora at home.  It's kind of neat to be able to
check out the latest neat features and cool software.  Having to
upgrade every 12 months to maintain security updates is annoying.

  It's not really a good or bad by itself, but know what you're
subscribing to.

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Re: Fedora

[Darrell Michaud]

Fedora is very much a bleeding edge distribution. It usually has the most
late-breaking versions of packages. It is not unheard of to find
pre-release or beta versions, sometimes against the original upstream
source's wishes. It also tends to be a showcase of ideas
never-been-packaged-in-a-distribution-before coming out of RedHat's
research and development. For all that instability, it also tends to be on
the leading edge of some interesting security and privacy technologies. It
has a very good SELinux configuration out of the box, and easy
install-time support for full encrypted disk volumes. It's a great
distribution for experimenting with the latest and greatest, and is
generally quite usable.

One major downside is the upgrade treadmill- Fedora's support for previous
versions does not last long and new versions are released about every six
months, forcing a cycle of frequent whole-system upgrades.

Another difficulty for end users is Fedora's scrupulous avoidance of any
software that might have legal issues being distributed in the US, such as
most popular audio and video codecs. Fedora does not have built-in support
proprietary kernel modules or drivers, such as the ATI and NVidia
accelerated drivers. If you want all those things, you have to get it from
third-party repositories. Luckily, there are many to choose from that
specifically target fedora users. I like freshrpms and occasionally livna.

Fedora 10 is not scheduled for final release until Nov. If you are going
to try it I would stick with Fedora 9 and not get pre-release versions of
10 unless you are incurably curious. In general the final release tends to
see a massive wave of fixed packages 1-2 weeks after its initial release.

It is an unlikely linux distribution choice for a business use case, or
for a non-technical user's situation, but for a technical user's personal
system or experimentation system it is fun and interesting.


Bruce Labitt wrote:
 Now that we've heard from Jarrod, it gives me the opportunity to ask a
 question or two about Fedora.

 You may remember my woes of dealing with SciLinux and essentially
 concluding it wasn't modern enough for what I wanted to do.  (64 bit /
 3D imaging / rotation / scientific)  I am not too happy with wrestling
 with the SciLinux distro to get stuff done.

 Does Fedora suit my needs?  I thought it was safer to go with Scientific
 Linux 5.2 - sure it was safe, but it wasn't productive enough.  Lesson
 learned perhaps.  I dunno, maybe I'm dense.  I took my shot at it and
 ended up in flames:0 .  So I get to try again.  I guess I'm lucky to at
 least try again.  (I'm a glutton for punishment - I have YDL on my QS22
 blade.)

 Is there a Fedora 10? or is that in alpha?  I just am a bit leary of the
 upgrade cycle for Fedora.  Can one relatively painlessly upgrade from
 Fedora 9 to 10?
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Re: Fedora

[mike ledoux]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:54:27PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote:
  Can one relatively painlessly upgrade from Fedora 9 to 10?
 
   The official upgrade path for Fedora is to download disc images for
 the latest release, burn and boot from disc, and follow the prompts to
 upgrade.
 
   I've read several reports about upgrading the running system
 in-place, using yum, but they always come with big warnings about how
 they're unofficial, not supported, here there be dragons, etc.

I've done several of these in-place yum upgrades, with little
trouble, from FC2-FC8, running each intermediate version for a
while.  There were some gotchas I wouldn't expect a typical home
user to be able to work around, but anyone with basic *nix admin
skills should be able to handle.  The version that turned SELinux
on by default (5?  6?) caused me the most trouble, until I realized
what the real problem was and turned SELinux off, the way Bob
intended.

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Re: Fedora

[Thomas Charron]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Bruce Labitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is there a Fedora 10? or is that in alpha?  I just am a bit leary of the
 upgrade cycle for Fedora.  Can one relatively painlessly upgrade from
 Fedora 9 to 10?

  I've personally stayed away from Fedora for one real reason.  It's
RedHat's 'sandbox'.  Historically, there will be times where they
simply 'break everything'.  Upgrade paths can be really scary at times
when they do this.

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Re: Fedora

[Jarod Wilson]

On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 13:48 -0400, Thomas Charron wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Bruce Labitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Is there a Fedora 10? or is that in alpha?  I just am a bit leary of the
  upgrade cycle for Fedora.  Can one relatively painlessly upgrade from
  Fedora 9 to 10?
 
   I've personally stayed away from Fedora for one real reason.  It's
 RedHat's 'sandbox'.  Historically, there will be times where they
 simply 'break everything'.  Upgrade paths can be really scary at times
 when they do this.

Personally, I've had very little problems with upgrading from distro to
distro going back to Red Hat Linux 7.x days, up through current Fedora.
I wouldn't classify myself as a typical user though...



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Re: Fedora

[Jarod Wilson]

On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 12:54 -0400, Ben Scott wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Bruce Labitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Is there a Fedora 10? or is that in alpha?
 
   The current general release is Fedora 9.
 
   From my point of view, the Fedora project is *always* in
 development/testing mode for the next release.  The stated goal of the
 Fedora Project is to provide a platform for the latest and greatest
 ideas in Open Source.  They target a general release every six months,
 but work for the next release is always happening.  That can be a
 good thing or an irritation, depending on what you want.
 
  Can one relatively painlessly upgrade from Fedora 9 to 10?

Yes.

   The official upgrade path for Fedora is to download disc images for
 the latest release, burn and boot from disc, and follow the prompts to
 upgrade.
 
   I've read several reports about upgrading the running system
 in-place, using yum, but they always come with big warnings about how
 they're unofficial, not supported, here there be dragons, etc.

I wish we'd just suck it up and officially support it, since it tends to
work just peachy 99% of the time. That's exactly how I upgrade pretty
much *all* my boxes from one release to another.

   The actual upgrade mechanism itself tends to work pretty well -- Red
 Hat's been doing this for 15 or so years, and they've gotten the
 techniques down.
 
   The problems arise from the packages being upgraded.  They don't
 always work so well.  Fedora is not afraid to scrap old ideas and try
 new ones.  Sometimes the new ideas don't actually work so well.
 Sometimes they try something for one release and then abandon it for
 the next.  Again, that's stated up-front: They're willing to sacrifice
 some backwards compatibility to advance the state of the art.

Indeed. While yes, to some extent, it is the Red Hat Enterprise Linux
sandbox, its still very much a goal to put out a stable release with
shiny new features. We do *try* to not push new features unless they're
actually ready, but hey, you gotta break some eggs to make an
omelette... :)

   I currently run Fedora at home.  It's kind of neat to be able to
 check out the latest neat features and cool software.  Having to
 upgrade every 12 months to maintain security updates is annoying.

Me, I hate stale software, so I tend to always be running at least the
latest Fedora release, if not the current development tree.

   It's not really a good or bad by itself, but know what you're
 subscribing to.

Definitely. Fedora is geared toward pushing the envelope with new
technologies and features, with a more developer-centric feel than, say,
Ubuntu, which is geared towards polishing tried and true technologies
and features (that often appeared in the prior Fedora release... ;).
Really, Ubuntu does something very similar to what Red Hat does when a
new RHEL release is forked off of Fedora, they just do it on a more
frequent release schedule, and Debian-based instead of Fedora-based. :)


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Re: Fedora

[Jarod Wilson]

On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 13:03 -0400, Darrell Michaud wrote:
 Fedora is very much a bleeding edge distribution. It usually has the most
 late-breaking versions of packages.

The development tree definitely does. Stable releases, it varies a bit
from package to package. One of the interesting things about Fedora
folks might not be aware of is that a huge portion of the packages are
maintained by *community* members, not Red Hat employees.

For the packages I maintain, I tend to put the latest and greatest into
the development tree as soon as possible. The latest release will likely
get those same packages built, and pushed into the updates-testing repo.
For the prior release, I'll often stick to only bugfix updates. Depends
on the exposure from updating the package...


 It is not unheard of to find
 pre-release or beta versions, sometimes against the original upstream
 source's wishes.

We try to work as closely as possible with upstream to make sure that
doesn't happen, but it does still happen sometimes. Occasionally,
pre-release versions get pushed into the devel tree, hoping there will
be a stable release by the time of the upcoming Fedora release, but it
doesn't always happen that way.


 It also tends to be a showcase of ideas
 never-been-packaged-in-a-distribution-before coming out of RedHat's
 research and development. For all that instability, it also tends to be on
 the leading edge of some interesting security and privacy technologies. It
 has a very good SELinux configuration out of the box, and easy
 install-time support for full encrypted disk volumes. It's a great
 distribution for experimenting with the latest and greatest, and is
 generally quite usable.

Indeed. Even the development tree is generally quite useable. My laptop:
$ uname -r
2.6.27-0.329.rc6.git2.fc10.x86_64
$ rpm -q gnome-desktop
gnome-desktop-2.23.92-1.fc10.x86_64

 One major downside is the upgrade treadmill- Fedora's support for previous
 versions does not last long and new versions are released about every six
 months, forcing a cycle of frequent whole-system upgrades.

...which I actually like myself. :)


 Another difficulty for end users is Fedora's scrupulous avoidance of any
 software that might have legal issues being distributed in the US, such as
 most popular audio and video codecs. Fedora does not have built-in support
 proprietary kernel modules or drivers, such as the ATI and NVidia
 accelerated drivers. If you want all those things, you have to get it from
 third-party repositories. Luckily, there are many to choose from that
 specifically target fedora users. I like freshrpms and occasionally livna.

And Real Soon Now, rpmfusion will go live. For those that don't know,
rpmfusion is the merger of livna, freshrpms, dribble and a few other
3rd-party repos.


 Fedora 10 is not scheduled for final release until Nov. If you are going
 to try it I would stick with Fedora 9 and not get pre-release versions of
 10 unless you are incurably curious. In general the final release tends to
 see a massive wave of fixed packages 1-2 weeks after its initial release.

Sometimes, yeah. Have to freeze the tree at some point, and
internal/community testing of the development tree doesn't hit nearly as
much hardware or use cases as the initial release.


 It is an unlikely linux distribution choice for a business use case, or
 for a non-technical user's situation, but for a technical user's personal
 system or experimentation system it is fun and interesting.

Yeah, I'd generally agree with that. RHEL/CentOS is generally better for
business use case, IMO (unless you need support for newer $foo). I think
Fedora is generally pretty good for non-technical users these days, but
not quite as much so as Ubuntu. It definitely kicks ass for leading-edge
tech though.



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Re: Fedora

[Bruce Labitt]

Jarod Wilson wrote:
 On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 13:03 -0400, Darrell Michaud wrote:
   
 Fedora is very much a bleeding edge distribution. It usually has the most
 late-breaking versions of packages.
 
 snip
 /snip
 One major downside is the upgrade treadmill- Fedora's support for previous
 versions does not last long and new versions are released about every six
 months, forcing a cycle of frequent whole-system upgrades.

 ...which I actually like myself. :)

 
Is there some way to make this upgrade more automated?  It always seems 
so painful trying to remember what little doodads to backup - stuff that 
is not in /home
 Another difficulty for end users is Fedora's scrupulous avoidance of any
 software that might have legal issues being distributed in the US, such as
 most popular audio and video codecs. Fedora does not have built-in support
 proprietary kernel modules or drivers, such as the ATI and NVidia
 accelerated drivers. If you want all those things, you have to get it from
 third-party repositories. Luckily, there are many to choose from that
 specifically target fedora users. I like freshrpms and occasionally livna.
 

 And Real Soon Now, rpmfusion will go live. For those that don't know,
 rpmfusion is the merger of livna, freshrpms, dribble and a few other
 3rd-party repos.

   
RSN, when would that be?  It looks like a good idea...  However their 
website wasn't too revealing IIRC.
 Fedora 10 is not scheduled for final release until Nov. If you are going
 to try it I would stick with Fedora 9 and not get pre-release versions of
 10 unless you are incurably curious. In general the final release tends to
 see a massive wave of fixed packages 1-2 weeks after its initial release.
 

 Sometimes, yeah. Have to freeze the tree at some point, and
 internal/community testing of the development tree doesn't hit nearly as
 much hardware or use cases as the initial release.

   
 It is an unlikely linux distribution choice for a business use case, or
 for a non-technical user's situation, but for a technical user's personal
 system or experimentation system it is fun and interesting.
 
 Yeah, I'd generally agree with that. RHEL/CentOS is generally better for
 business use case, IMO (unless you need support for newer $foo). I think
 Fedora is generally pretty good for non-technical users these days, but
 not quite as much so as Ubuntu. It definitely kicks ass for leading-edge
 tech though.
   
Well, for work, I'm really not quite sure if I'm what the linux 
community would consider a developer.  It feels like I'm a developer, I 
write code in C and soon in python, to do some scientific application.  
I don't develop OS stuff, nor do I want to develop 3D apps, I just need 
to solve a problem.  I wouldn't think I would need really new $foo, 
but I guess I do, if I want my 2 year old video card supported (open 
source only). 

So what would you do?

-Bruce


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Re: Fedora

[Lori Nagel]

I learned early on in my GNU/Linux experience, the one thing you are is a 
developer and doesn't matter if you have never used a compiler before now.  
Just think of yourself as a developer and GNU/Linux will work better for you 
and have a lot less issues.  Basically, a developer is anyone who wants to look 
at source code or use a compiler for any reason.




  
Well, for work, I'm really not quite sure if I'm what the linux 
community would consider a developer.  It feels like I'm a developer, I 
write code in C and soon in python, to do some scientific application.  
I don't develop OS stuff, nor do I want to develop 3D apps, I just need 
to solve a problem.  I wouldn't think I would need really new $foo, 
but I guess I do, if I want my 2 year old video card supported (open 
source only). 

So what would you do?

-Bruce


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Re: Fedora

[Bill McGonigle]

On Sep 18, 2008, at 15:06, Jarod Wilson wrote:

 Me, I hate stale software, so I tend to always be running at least the
 latest Fedora release, if not the current development tree.


I'm a bit more conservative than Jarod, so I run Fedora about 4-5  
months into the release cycle.  Pretty much all the problems have  
been solved at that point.  Yeah, I'm not a great tester for them,  
but I send them feature patches. :)

My office server has been yum upgraded since Redhat 9 (none of the  
hardware is original anymore except for the CPU).  It's gonna get  
Fedora 9 in the next couple weeks.  Only FC1 to FC2 was tricky - that  
was Linux 2.4 to Linux 2.6.  Some folks had issues when things switch  
from /dev/hd* to /dev/sd* but I didn't, I use md devices for  
everything.  Regardless all the dragons are well-described in the  
support docs, and release notes (the what?).

Bruce, I recall when we went around on this last time most all the  
software you wanted was in Fedora 9.  If it's gonna make it easy to  
get your work done 363 days of the year, and 2 are wasted on admin,  
that's not such a bad trade-off.

-Bill

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Re: Fedora

[Bruce Labitt]

Bill McGonigle wrote:
 On Sep 18, 2008, at 15:06, Jarod Wilson wrote:

   
 Me, I hate stale software, so I tend to always be running at least the
 latest Fedora release, if not the current development tree.
 
snip
unsnip
 Bruce, I recall when we went around on this last time most all the  
 software you wanted was in Fedora 9.  If it's gonna make it easy to  
 get your work done 363 days of the year, and 2 are wasted on admin,  
 that's not such a bad trade-off.

 -Bill

   
That's a fair comment.  It only stings a little :'(  I guess I 
should have gone with something like Fedora to begin with.

-Bruce
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RedHat Fedora package servers compromised

[Thomas Charron]

  FYI for those of you who may be running RedHat or Fedora.

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-August/msg00012.html

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Heisenbug with Fedora 8, selinux, and SSH public keys

[Ben Scott]

  This is an FYI.

  On my newish Fedora 8 install.  One issue I had is that I can't SSH
in and authenticate using public keys.  I get prompted for a password.
 Password login works.  Just not public key authentication.  I can SSH
out with pubkeys, not in, though.  Same home directory (multi-boot;
shared disk partition) works fine on Fedora 6.  Server syslog logs
don't indicate anything helpful, even with the sshd log level cranked
up to DEBUG3.  ssh -vvv also didn't yield any clues.  Reproduces
with stock sshd_config file as well as the one I was using on Fedora
6.

  Poking around on the web, I find someone suggesting running SSH in
foreground debug mode with sshd -d.  Grasping for straws, I try
that.  And *the problem goes away*.  That's right, when running
normally, it doesn't work; when running in debug mode, it works fine.
Heisenbug.  whimper

  I eventually discover that running /sbin/restorecon ~bscott ;
/sbin/restorecon -r ~bscott/.ssh fixes the issue.  Apparently SELinux
labeling wasn't right for something.  What I still don't get is why
running sshd in debug mode made it work.

Submitted for your approval.

/cue Twilight Zone theme

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VMware server locking up Fedora 7

[Tom Buskey]

When I start a VM, the screen, keyboard and mouse lockup.  I have to hit the
big red switch.  It doesn't matter what is running in the VM.

I'm running vmware-server 1.04 on Fedora 7 x86_64 kernel 2.6.23.8-34

Dell Optiplex 745 Core Duo
ATI RV516 Radeon X1300 Pro
ati driver fglrx  8.433


I'm suspecting it's the ATI driver.  I'm running 1600x1200 and don't want to
run lower res.  I don't care about 3d, just high res.  The VESA driver only
goes to 1280x1024.

I'm running VMware-server on an AMD AM2 with an Nvidea card elsewhere with
no problems.

Any suggestions?
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Re: Fedora Eight is out on the streets!

[Bill McGonigle]

On Nov 9, 2007, at 15:47, mike shlitz wrote:

 My Vonage conversations , if they go on for any length of time, are  
 inevitably cutoff and I have to reset the modem to get my internet  
 service back.  Downloads and torrents seem sporadic as well, as was  
 indicated in several other emails on this topic.

Besides properly configuring your router, as Ben wrote, is it any  
good?  I've seen similar behavior from some el-crapo Netgear home  
wifi gateways.  Throwing them in the trash (err, recycling basket)  
and installing a WRT54GL remedied those situations.   In higher  
demand environments re-deploying the WRT54GL's as wifi points and  
replacing their routing duties with pfSense boxes helped as much again.

-Bill

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Re: Fedora Eight is out on the streets!

[Ben Scott]

On Nov 9, 2007 3:47 PM, mike shlitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ... I'm pretty much stuck with Comcast for TV and Internet.  I've had
 nothing but issues with their internet service ...

 My experience has been that consumer Internet performance varies
tremendously by locale.  So one guy can love his Comcast, another guy
in the next down over has nothing but problems.  :-(

 Several family members using the internet simultaneously, results in a
 slowdown ...

 You may want to look into traffic control (priority queuing,
bandwidth reservation, rate limiting) on your router.  The
interactions between multiple protocol streams can be complex,
especially on an asymmetric feed.

 The classic example is BitTorrent on an asymetric feed.  The feed
can suck down a lot, but can only send out a little; meanwhile, the
rest of the swarm is trying to suck a lot from you.  If you don't
properly cap the outgoing rate, you'll cause congestion, which impacts
everything.  For example, if I don't cap BitTorrent's outgoing rate, I
top out at around 150 Kbyte/sec incoming, and my connection is very
slow for web browsing.  If I cap outgoing at 36 Kbyte/sec, I get up to
600 Kbyte/sec incoming, and the web is still pretty responsive.

 In other words, telling it to go slower made things go faster.

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Re: Fedora Eight is out on the streets!

[VirginSnow]

 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:27:52 -0500
 From: Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  The classic example is BitTorrent on an asymetric feed.  The feed
 can suck down a lot, but can only send out a little; meanwhile, the
 rest of the swarm is trying to suck a lot from you.  If you don't
 properly cap the outgoing rate, you'll cause congestion, which impacts
 everything.  For example, if I don't cap BitTorrent's outgoing rate, I

The situation is even more bleak with technologies like RADSL.  The
RA in RADSL stands for Rate-Adaptive.  The difference between
RADSL and ADSL (Asymmetric DSL) is that, with RADSL, the bandwidth
allocated to the upstream and downstream channels is changed according
to which channel is used more.  As downstream traffic increases (say,
because you're downloading something like, oh, Fedora 8), bandwidth is
reallocated to the downstream channel and taken away from the upstream
channel.  This is in contrast to ADSL, in which there are fixed-size
channels for each of up/downstream communication.

Now, the RADSL scheme would be fine, if it weren't for one very
important (and very very BAD!) fact: With RADSL, the amount of
downstream bandwidth lost is about 10 times the amount of upstream
bandwidth gained.  So, if you start uploading another 1KB/s, you lose
about 10KB/s from your download bandwidth!

So, if you have a 1Mbps/128kbps RADSL, you'll either get the full
1Mbps down and 0bps up, the full 128kbps up and 0bps down, or a 10:1
weighted combination of the two.  So, if you're downloading at 512kbps
and uploading at 64kbps, you've actually SATURATED you're supposedly
1Mbps/128kbps link.  In this case, you're really only getting HALF the
stated speeds.

The situation is even worse if you want to try and have equal up/down
stream rates.  Doing the math: 10*D+U=1Mbps, with U=D, you get: U = D
= 91kbps.  That is to say: if you have a 1Mbps/128kbps RADSL link
*and* are uploading at the same rate that you are downloading, your
bandwidth will top-out at a mere 91kbps on each channel.  In this
case, you're getting a total bandwidth of 182kbps, or just 18% of the
link's stated speed.

Unfortunately, many companies that sell so-called ADSL are actually
selling you RADSL.  Verizon is one of them.  They'll tell you that
you're getting (to continue the above example) a 1Mbps/128kbps ADSL
service.  But, when you plug in your equipment and test it, you'll
more likely than not discover that they've actually given you RADSL.
The salespeople don't know the difference.  They don't know what the
R means (let alone how important the distinction is), so they just
leave it out and call their product ADSL.

When I shop for DSL, I make sure to *explicitly ask* if what they're
offering me is ADSL or RADSL.  And if they've never heard of RADSL, I
ask to talk to someone who has.  Because if you don't ask, you may
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Re: Fedora Eight is out on the streets!

[VirginSnow]

 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:04:36 -0800 (PST)
 From: Bayard Coolidge [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Or be a Comcast customer, unless you're VERY patient.
 Took 7.5 hours using BitTorrent, average d/l speed purportedly 145 kb/s.
 Started at 10:21 AM EST, and finished just a few minutes ago. D/L
 behaviour was very bursty, stalling for several minutes at a time and
 then cranking at over 900kb/sec. I'm leaving it up for a while to share

I heard, somewhere, that Comcast is actually being sued for violating
net neutrality.  Supposedly, they're throttling BitTorrent traffic.
Sorry, I don't have any links to support this; this info is purely
from the rumor mill. :)
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Re: Fedora Eight is out on the streets!

[Alex Hewitt]

On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 09:11 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:04:36 -0800 (PST)
  From: Bayard Coolidge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Or be a Comcast customer, unless you're VERY patient.
  Took 7.5 hours using BitTorrent, average d/l speed purportedly 145 kb/s.
  Started at 10:21 AM EST, and finished just a few minutes ago. D/L
  behaviour was very bursty, stalling for several minutes at a time and
  then cranking at over 900kb/sec. I'm leaving it up for a while to share
 
 I heard, somewhere, that Comcast is actually being sued for violating
 net neutrality.  Supposedly, they're throttling BitTorrent traffic.
 Sorry, I don't have any links to support this; this info is purely
 from the rumor mill. :)

I downloaded the Fedora DVD distro yesterday using BitTorrent. The 3.2+
GB download only took a few hours and I noticed download speeds bouncing
around 400-500 KBs. Upload speeds were hovering around 80 KBS. Perhaps
they have backed off their throttling activities?

-Alex

P.S. I was using Ktorrent on Ubuntu 7.10.

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Re: Fedora Eight is out on the streets!

[Ted Roche]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I heard, somewhere, that Comcast is actually being sued for violating
 net neutrality. 

I don't believe that net neutrality is the law of the land. There are
many who argue it may not even be a good idea, but that's beyond this
thread about Fedora by far...

 Supposedly, they're throttling BitTorrent traffic.
 Sorry, I don't have any links to support this; this info is purely
 from the rumor mill. :)

A quick web search on Comcast Throttling or Comcast Blocking can
produce lots of interesting hits of varied reputation...

http://consumerist.com/consumer/leaks/comcasts-we-dont-throttle-bittorrent-internal-talking-points-memo-315791.php

and...

http://torrentfreak.com/how-to-bypass-comcast-bittorrent-throttling-071021/


FWIW, I downloaded the RC3 DVD of Fedora 8 last week quite quickly (a
couple hours) and shared it back to the network over the weekend, seeing
around 5M down, 256K up over the long haul. I used that same image with
an updated torrent and renamed files to update my local copy to the gold
release, replacing only 15% of the blocks (I was surprised it was that
many!), saving the download time and joining in early as a seed.
Download finished in less than 2 hours yesterday and my sharing ratio
had hit 1.33 by this morning. So perhaps Comcast is only messing with
BitTorrent feeds in some more heavily trafficked areas?


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Comcast [ was Fedora Eight is out on the streets!]

[Paul Lussier]

Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I heard, somewhere, that Comcast is actually being sued for violating
 net neutrality. 

Try googling for it as Ted did.  There's plenty of new available about
it.  Even Congress is aware of it (someone must be up for re-election soon :)

 I don't believe that net neutrality is the law of the land.

It's not. Yet.

And on the Comcast note, I heard an ad for them on the radio this
morning which reminded me just how much Comcast just doesn't get it.
The ad was for their Business Internet service, which is just
$39.99/month *with* the bundling of a Business TV package.

Comcast (and other CATV providers) *still* seem to think of
themselves as a TV provider first and foremost, thinking the ISP
portion of their business as a secondary income stream.

With that mentality, Verizon and the other telcos are going to eat
their collective lunches.  The difference between the telcos and the
CATV providers seems to boil down to this:

  CATV mind-set: We sell television. Oh, hey, neat, this internet
 thingy will fit on our existing cable infrastructure.
 Maybe we can make some extra money on this.

  telco mind-set: Voice is data. Internet is data.  TV is data.
  We sell you access to data.

People want to buy access to data.  They may call it TV, Telephone,
Internet, but it's really, truly, fundamentally all just bits flowing
through tubes.  Telcos get it, and they control it.  CATV doesn't and
never will.  Interesingly, in this absolutely fascinating article:

  http://blog.futurestreetconsulting.com/?p=39

The author mentions:

   ...the firms which created the network are somehow immune to the
   effects of the network.  And, in consequence, so are the networks
   themselves.  In fact, you can look at any of the networks
   telephone, broadband, or wireless and see in them the physical
   embodiment of hierarchy.  Its curious.  Its damned interesting.
   Its also over.


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Re: Comcast [ was Fedora Eight is out on the streets!]

[VirginSnow]

 From: Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:26:25 -0500
 Subject: Comcast [ was Fedora Eight is out on the streets!]

Oops, yes.  I ought to have changed the subject line.  Sorry.

 Comcast (and other CATV providers) *still* seem to think of
 themselves as a TV provider first and foremost, thinking the ISP
 portion of their business as a secondary income stream.

Actually (Paul, look the other way) Verizon is guilty of this, too.
When I was shopping around for DSL service (10/2007), I found it
*really* difficult to find an ISP that offered so-called dry loop
DSL.  That is, offer DSL service without having voice service.  I made
it clear to these companies that *I had the telephone wires* but not
*telephone service*.  Instead, these companies claimed that, in order
to provide DSL, they had to line share with Verizon and that
(drumroll, please) Verizon had not yet released the rights to line
share for dry loop service.

In other words... Verizon, by third-party contract, will force you to
subscribe to their voice service if you want DSL on the same line.

Interestingly, I *was* able to find one company (yes, ONE company out
of all those listed in the yellow pages under Internet Service) that
was able to offer a dry loop at my location (downtown Dover).  Even
more interesting is the fact that this company, MV Communications,
seems to be the same company that hosts GNHLUG.org.

 $ host www.gnhlug.org
 www.gnhlug.org is an alias for liberty.gnhlug.org.
 liberty.gnhlug.org has address 199.125.75.42
 $ host 199.125.75.42
 42.75.125.199.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer gnhlug.colo.mv.net.

Could we have actually, finally, found a fair, competent, and
affordable ISP?  I do hope so.

 People want to buy access to data.  They may call it TV, Telephone,
 Internet, but it's really, truly, fundamentally all just bits flowing
 through tubes.  Telcos get it, and they control it.  CATV doesn't and
 never will.  Interesingly, in this absolutely fascinating article:

This agrees with my experience.  Telephone companies have been in the
business of switched data networks for decades (remember, Comcast
didn't invent digital telephone).  The cable companies, rather, are
quite in the position of hacking data service on top of what they
designed to be a radio (RF) signal distribution network.  The telcos
do appear to be much better at this.

By way of annecdote, I'm a VoIP user.  For the past year or so (prior
to subscribing with MV), I've used VoIP over cable internet provided
by Metrocast and, later, Comcast.  After switching to DSL I've been
receiving comments about how the my call quality has improved.  The
connection is the clearest it's ever been, one person told me.  I've
also noticed a decrease in the end-to-end delay on my VoIP calls since
switching to DSL.  (And, yes, I made sure I set my TOS bits.)
Clearly, the telco is doing *something* right.
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Re: Comcast [ was Fedora Eight is out on the streets!]

[Ben Scott]

On Nov 9, 2007 11:32 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Instead, these companies claimed that, in order
 to provide DSL, they had to line share with Verizon and that
 (drumroll, please) Verizon had not yet released the rights to line
 share for dry loop service.

  Yah, the big telcos are just as evil as the big cable cos.  And
saying either of them don't get it isn't strictly accurate.  They
just have no interest in giving you what you want.  Comcast will only
sell Internet with TV because they make more money that way.  (And
they have a near-monopoly so it don't matter.)  Likewise, Verizon
doesn't want to give people the opportunity to not give them money.

  The good local players (MV is one) will have been around long enough
to know how to deal with the ILEC and wrangle service out of them.

 Clearly, the telco is doing *something* right.

  It's actually MV that's doing something right here.

  There are two scenarios for non-ILEC DSL.  One is a true dry pair:
The ILEC (Verizon) just provides a pair of copper wires from your
place to the CO.  MV co-locates their equipment in the CO, and
connects that pair directly to MV equipment.  The other scenario is
that it's actually not a dry pair, but resold ILEC DSL with
third-party Internet (MV being the third party in this scenario).
Verizon provides DSL to their CO and DSLAM, and then a PVC (or
something like a PVC; I think the technology is different these days,
but it's the same idea) to MV's network center.  The IP feed goes from
MV to your place; Verizon is just carrying bits; they don't care that
you're running IP in it.

  Either way, you end up on MV's routers and transit feeds, and that's
a good thing.  MV is a top-notch provider, so I would expect they
haven't oversubscribed their network to the point of congestion, and I
would expect their routers are configured to honor TOS bits.

ILEC = Incumbent Local Exchange Carrier, the company that owns the
wires on the poles
CO = Central Office, building where the ILEC keeps their equipment
DSL = Digital Subscriber Line, bits instead of voice going from the CO
to your house
DSLAM = DSL Access Multiplexer, the CO equipment that terminates and
concenstrates DSLs
PVC = Permanent Virtual Circuit, a configuration entity on a
packet-switched network that makes a path act like it's on a
circuit-switched network, with committed data rates
dry pair = a copper circuit, provided by the ILEC, but connected at
each end to non-ILEC equipment

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Re: Fedora Eight is out on the streets!

[mike shlitz]

Hi,

When I lived on the NH seacoast and had DSL, I had no problems.  Here in 
Temple, NH I'm pretty much stuck with Comcast for TV and Internet.  I've had 
nothing but issues with their internet service (and I pay for their fastest 
speed burst option).

My Vonage conversations , if they go on for any length of time, are inevitably 
cutoff and I have to reset the modem to get my internet service back.  
Downloads and torrents seem sporadic as well, as was indicated in several other 
emails on this topic.  Several family members using the internet 
simultaneously, results in a slowdown reminiscent of the old college days in 
VAX-Land when the staff upstairs was doing important work.

Comcast has been trying to get me to go over to their VoIP as well, and mumbled 
something about installing new lines in my house if I did.  I've heard that 
there were others having issues (with Comcast) with regards to their VoIP 
service as well.

Mike 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:04:36 -0800 (PST)
 From: Bayard Coolidge 

 Or be a Comcast customer, unless you're VERY patient.
 Took 7.5 hours using BitTorrent, average d/l speed purportedly 145 kb/s.
 Started at 10:21 AM EST, and finished just a few minutes ago. D/L
 behaviour was very bursty, stalling for several minutes at a time and
 then cranking at over 900kb/sec. I'm leaving it up for a while to share

I heard, somewhere, that Comcast is actually being sued for violating
net neutrality.  Supposedly, they're throttling BitTorrent traffic.
Sorry, I don't have any links to support this; this info is purely
from the rumor mill. :)
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Re: Fedora Eight is out on the streets!

[Ben Scott]

On Nov 8, 2007 11:33 AM, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Get onto the BitTorrent ...

  Hmmm.  Don't set your computer's clock back an hour while BitTorrent
is running, or it gets very confused.

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Re: Fedora Eight is out on the streets!

[Bayard Coolidge]

Or be a Comcast customer, unless you're VERY patient.
Took 7.5 hours using BitTorrent, average d/l speed purportedly 145 kb/s.
Started at 10:21 AM EST, and finished just a few minutes ago. D/L
behaviour was very bursty, stalling for several minutes at a time and
then cranking at over 900kb/sec. I'm leaving it up for a while to share
the wealth while I get a bite to eat before I burn a DVD and try to install.

Cheers,

Bayard


Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 8, 2007 11:33 AM, Ted Roche  wrote:
 Get onto the BitTorrent ...

  Hmmm.  Don't set your computer's clock back an hour while BitTorrent
is running, or it gets very confused.

-- Ben
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Re: Desparately need Postfix/smtpd/sasl on Fedora help

[Bill McGonigle]

On Oct 9, 2007, at 08:57, David A. Long wrote:

 So it seems to me that Postfix smtpd is never
 successfully contacting saslauthd.

What does your

   /etc/sysconfig/saslauthd

look like?  Mine is:

   SOCKETDIR=/var/run/saslauthd
   MECH=pam
   FLAGS=

for sasl options I have:

 permit_sasl_authenticated,

under

   smtpd_recipient_restrictions =

and

   smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
   smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
   smtpd_sasl_local_domain =
   broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
   smtpd_sasl_tls_security_options = $smtpd_sasl_security_options

and in master.cf I have:

   smtpsinet  n   -   n   -   -   smtpd  -o  
smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes
   submission   inetn   -   n   -   -
smtpd  -o smtpd_etrn_restrictions=reject  -o smtpd_enforce_tls=yes -o  
smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes

for ports 465 (Outlook) and 587 (reasonable clients) respectively.

-Bill

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Re: [SPAM-33] Desparately need Postfix/smtpd/sasl on Fedora help

[Dan Coutu]

David A. Long wrote:
 OK, I have been pulling my hair out for a week trying to get a Fedora 7
 server configured to use Postfix SMTP for relaying mail from remote
 clients.  It seems to handle TLS fine when receiving GNHLUG mail.
 testsaslauthd reports successful authentication when given appropriate
 username/password's.  With a telnet to port 25 I can authenticate my
 cleartext (if that's what you want to call it) base64 username/password.

 This all worked fine under SUSE, albeit with an (expired) real-world
 certificate.  The self-signed certificate I'm using now seems to be
 acceptable to GNHLUG, and I repsonded to the evolution prompt to accept
 it on my client side.

 Under FC7 now though an attempt to send mail to the server for relaying
 produces only the following messages:

 Oct  8 23:31:09 www postfix/smtpd[3038]: initializing the server-side TLS 
 engine
 Oct  8 23:31:09 www postfix/smtpd[3038]: connect from unknown[192.168.1.137]


 And then it just hangs until it times out.  I've gone over the postfix
 config files a thousand times.  I'm confused by the total lack of an
 error message in any log.  Help!

 -dl
 David Long
   
I'll take a stab in the dark and guess that maybe your main.cf doesn't 
have the value for mynetworks set like this:

mynetworks = 192.168.1.0/24

This specifies that any system in this subnet is allowed to connect the 
postfix server.

Dan
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Re: Desparately need Postfix/smtpd/sasl on Fedora help

[David A. Long]

On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 08:23 -0400, Lloyd Kvam wrote:
 
 Could you be rejecting unknown (number-to-name lookup fails) IP addresses?  
 I've been rejecting those as a relatively easy, effective spam control ( 
 reject_unknown_hostname, reject_unknown_client )

I don't think so.  I just added the hostname to the server /etc/hosts
file and it made no difference.  And the failure is a hang instead of a
useful error message, which I would expect from an active rejection.  I
did run saslauthd with -d and found it produced no ouput when I tried
sending mail.  So it seems to me that Postfix smtpd is never
successfully contacting saslauthd.  I did try turning on TLS logging,
but that doesn't seem to help.  I don't *think* the problem is in TLS.

I'll take a stab in the dark and guess that maybe your main.cf doesn't 
have the value for mynetworks set like this:

mynetworks = 192.168.1.0/24

This specifies that any system in this subnet is allowed to connect the 
postfix server.

I did not have this before.  I do not believe this feature is useful in
my setup where I want to be able to relay mail remotely (i.e.: Not on
the local net).  I depend on sasl authorization alone for relay access.

-dl


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Re: fedora 7 on laptop no longer burns CDs or DVDs

[Lloyd Kvam]

On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 23:08 -0400, Stephen Ryan wrote:
 What about going the other way around?  Try the GUI CD burner - you
 should be able to right-click on the .iso and select Write to
 Disc  

That was my starting point.  I glossed over that since there was no
useful error output.  The GUI seems to provide a wrapper to the
underlying command-line tools.  I went to the command line simply to get
better error messages.

And that GUI interface worked nicely in Fedora 6.

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Re: fedora 7 on laptop no longer burns CDs or DVDs

[Ben Scott]

On 9/11/07, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I recently upgraded my laptop from fedora 6 to fedora 7.  Now I've
 discovered I can no longer burn CDs or DVDs.

  In the past, I've had trouble with those auto-media-detect-and-mount
daemons trying to auto-mount a disc as I'm trying to write to it.  I
suspect you might be having the same problem, because of this in your
wodim output:

Error trying to open /dev/scd0 exclusively (Device or resource
busy)... retrying in 1 second.

  Since I hate those auto-thingies anyway, I just killed them off, and
renamed the binary to keep them from starting again.  (Removing the
package often isn't a good idea because the package may also provide a
library other programs link against.)

I remember the GNOME auto-thingy was called MagicDev at one time.  I
don't remember the name of the KDE auto-thingy, and I don't know if
either of those might be using a new auto-thingy by now.  (As of late,
I'm running FVWM, which doesn't start auto-thingies by default anyway,
so I don't have recent experience.)

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Re: fedora 7 on laptop no longer burns CDs or DVDs

[Lloyd Kvam]

On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 09:08 -0400, Ben Scott wrote:
 On 9/11/07, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I recently upgraded my laptop from fedora 6 to fedora 7.  Now I've
  discovered I can no longer burn CDs or DVDs.
 
   In the past, I've had trouble with those auto-media-detect-and-mount
 daemons trying to auto-mount a disc as I'm trying to write to it.  I
 suspect you might be having the same problem, because of this in your
 wodim output:
 
 Error trying to open /dev/scd0 exclusively (Device or resource
 busy)... retrying in 1 second.
 

That exclusivity error only shows up sometimes.  I think the retry
succeeds.  I have not gone to the lengths of renaming the magic files,
but I have unmounted the CD to see if it made a difference - which it
did not.

   Since I hate those auto-thingies anyway, I just killed them off, and
 renamed the binary to keep them from starting again.  (Removing the
 package often isn't a good idea because the package may also provide a
 library other programs link against.)
 
 I remember the GNOME auto-thingy was called MagicDev at one time.  I
 don't remember the name of the KDE auto-thingy, and I don't know if
 either of those might be using a new auto-thingy by now.  (As of late,
 I'm running FVWM, which doesn't start auto-thingies by default anyway,
 so I don't have recent experience.)
 
 -- Ben

Actually that is a good idea there.  I can switch to runlevel 3 and see
if wodim works.  That eliminates all of the GUI magic.

Thanks.

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Re: fedora 7 on laptop no longer burns CDs or DVDs

[Ben Scott]

On 9/12/07, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Error trying to open /dev/scd0 exclusively (Device or resource
 busy)... retrying in 1 second.
 

 That exclusivity error only shows up sometimes.  I think the retry
 succeeds.

  Right, because the auto-thingies all work by polling the device.  So
if they happen to be polling the device when wodim tries to open it,
you get the warning.  Then they close the present poll, and wodim
retries, and it works.  Then, during the middle of the write, they
poll again, and kablooie.

  At least, that's my theory.

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Re: fedora 7 on laptop no longer burns CDs or DVDs

[Tyson Sawyer]

FWIW, I've not had any problems like this w/Gnome/Ubuntu and it has
the automount thingies.  the automount stuff does annoy me from time
to time, but it doesn't cause failures when burning CDs or DVDs.

Cheers!
Ty

On 9/12/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 9/12/07, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Error trying to open /dev/scd0 exclusively (Device or resource
  busy)... retrying in 1 second.
  
 
  That exclusivity error only shows up sometimes.  I think the retry
  succeeds.

   Right, because the auto-thingies all work by polling the device.  So
 if they happen to be polling the device when wodim tries to open it,
 you get the warning.  Then they close the present poll, and wodim
 retries, and it works.  Then, during the middle of the write, they
 poll again, and kablooie.

   At least, that's my theory.

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Re: fedora 7 on laptop no longer burns CDs or DVDs

[Lloyd Kvam]

On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 13:03 -0400, Ben Scott wrote:
 On 9/12/07, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Error trying to open /dev/scd0 exclusively (Device or resource
  busy)... retrying in 1 second.
  
 
  That exclusivity error only shows up sometimes.  I think the retry
  succeeds.
 
   Right, because the auto-thingies all work by polling the device.  So
 if they happen to be polling the device when wodim tries to open it,
 you get the warning.  Then they close the present poll, and wodim
 retries, and it works.  Then, during the middle of the write, they
 poll again, and kablooie.
 
   At least, that's my theory.

Well I shutdown to single user mode.  wodim chugs along until it thinks
it has written 26 MB and then decides that things are not working.  The
CD media still appears to be blank.

I have downloaded the cdrtools from berlios.de and will see if that
makes a difference.  I just need to be careful about fouling up my
fedora 7 stuff.

 
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Re: fedora 7 on laptop no longer burns CDs or DVDs

[Frank DiPrete]

On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 09:08 -0400, Ben Scott wrote:
 On 9/11/07, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I recently upgraded my laptop from fedora 6 to fedora 7.  Now I've
  discovered I can no longer burn CDs or DVDs.
 
   In the past, I've had trouble with those auto-media-detect-and-mount
 daemons trying to auto-mount a disc as I'm trying to write to it.  I
 suspect you might be having the same problem, because of this in your
 wodim output:
 
 Error trying to open /dev/scd0 exclusively (Device or resource
 busy)... retrying in 1 second.
 
   Since I hate those auto-thingies anyway, I just killed them off, and
 renamed the binary to keep them from starting again.  (Removing the
 package often isn't a good idea because the package may also provide a
 library other programs link against.)
 
 I remember the GNOME auto-thingy was called MagicDev at one time.  I
 don't remember the name of the KDE auto-thingy, and I don't know if
 either of those might be using a new auto-thingy by now.  (As of late,
 I'm running FVWM, which doesn't start auto-thingies by default anyway,
 so I don't have recent experience.)
 
 -- Ben


gnome has a setting to turn off auto mountng media on insert.

System, Prefs, Removable Drives and Media.
The default is checked/on.
After removing the options the behavior stops.

-- Another hater of auto thingies ;)



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Re: fedora 7 on laptop no longer burns CDs or DVDs

[Stephen Ryan]

On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 17:23 -0400, Lloyd Kvam wrote:
 On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 13:03 -0400, Ben Scott wrote:
  On 9/12/07, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Error trying to open /dev/scd0 exclusively (Device or resource
   busy)... retrying in 1 second.
   
  
   That exclusivity error only shows up sometimes.  I think the retry
   succeeds.
  
Right, because the auto-thingies all work by polling the device.  So
  if they happen to be polling the device when wodim tries to open it,
  you get the warning.  Then they close the present poll, and wodim
  retries, and it works.  Then, during the middle of the write, they
  poll again, and kablooie.
  
At least, that's my theory.
 
 Well I shutdown to single user mode.  wodim chugs along until it thinks
 it has written 26 MB and then decides that things are not working.  The
 CD media still appears to be blank.
 
 I have downloaded the cdrtools from berlios.de and will see if that
 makes a difference.  I just need to be careful about fouling up my
 fedora 7 stuff.

What about going the other way around?  Try the GUI CD burner - you
should be able to right-click on the .iso and select Write to
Disc  
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fedora 7 on laptop no longer burns CDs or DVDs

[Lloyd Kvam]

I recently upgraded my laptop from fedora 6 to fedora 7.  Now I've
discovered I can no longer burn CDs or DVDs.  I have an old CD-R burner,
so this is not critical yet, but I will need to get this figured out.
The drive is identified below in the wodim output, but is a fairly
typical IDE combo drive.  As I recall, it was /dev/hdb with fedora 6.
Now with fedora 7 the drives get scsi style names.

Besides the output from wodim (a typical run is pasted below) there are
also syslog messages like:

Sep 11 00:09:35 laptop kernel: cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I 
recognize!

which seems like a media problem, but happens for all of the media that
I've tried.  

My assumption is that the laptop cut some corner with the drive setup so
that there are errors which got ignored or went undetected in fedora 6.
Booting the fedora live CD into RAM made no difference so it should not
be some peculiarity of my software configuration.  Booting from Knoppix
ties up the drive so that I can't burn.

I'll be trying to boot from USB with an alternative distro (Knoppix?
PuppyOS?) to prove the hardware works, but thought it would be worth
soliciting advice.

(Google has not helped as entirely too many people have burn problems.)


(I ran this as root just in case that mattered)

wodim dev=/dev/scd0 driveropts=burnfree,noforcespeed -dao  -immed 
OpenCD-07.09.iso 
Error trying to open /dev/scd0 exclusively (Device or resource busy)... 
retrying in 1 second.
Device type: Removable CD-ROM
Version: 5
Response Format: 2
Capabilities   : 
Vendor_info: 'TOSHIBA '
Identification : 'CD/DVDW SDR6572M'
Revision   : 'TU04'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc   CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags   : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE 
Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R96R
Blocks total: 359849 Blocks current: 359849 Blocks remaining: 128952
Speed set to 706 KB/s
Starting to write CD/DVD at speed   4.0 in real SAO mode for single session.
Last chance to quit, starting real write i   0 seconds. Operation starts.
Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready.
Performing OPC...
Sending CUE sheet...
Writing pregap for track 1 at -150
Starting new track at sector: 0
Track 01:   26 of  450 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  95%] |318 1000ms|   
4.0x.Errno: 5 (Input/output error), write_g1 scsi sendcmd: no error
CDB:  2A 00 00 00 35 A5 00 00 1F 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 72 0B 00 00 00 00 00 0E 09 0C 00 00 00 02 00 00
Sense Key: 0x0 No Additional Sense, Segment 11
Sense Code: 0x00 Qual 0x02 (end-of-partition/medium detected) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) 
cmd finished after 205.840s timeout 200s

write track data: error after 28125184 bytes
wodim: A write error occured.
wodim: Please properly read the error message above.
Writing  time:  296.935s
Average write speed  10.4x.
Min drive buffer fill was 95%
Fixating...
Fixating time:0.002s
wodim: fifo had 507 puts and 444 gets.
wodim: fifo was 0 times empty and 221 times full, min fill was 87%.

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Re: VMWare Server, WinXP-off-disk on Fedora Core 6

[Ted Roche]

Ben Scott wrote:
   As another sanity test: Why is a raven like a writing desk?  ;-)

Alice sighed wearily. I think you might do something better with the
time, she said, than wasting it in asking riddles that have no
answers. -- Lewis Caroll, Alice in Wonderland

 On 7/25/07, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I thought I'd try running VMWare ...
 
   Heh.  I just started playing around with VMware Workstation for the
 first *today* (literally).  I must say, it has some impressive
 features.  On my 'doze box at work, it was able to go out on the
 network to another running 'doze box, and import that pre-existing
 computer into a VM, which I can now use for testing against the
 production environment without crashing the production box.

I started with Server, as the VMWare folks make Workstation a little bit
harder to find on their web site, I was in a rush, haste makes waste and
all that. Converting Physical to Virtual only works from one partition
to another and requires a fair amount of disk space, one of my
limitations here.


 1. How do I tell Fedora that /dev/hda ought to be read-write for group
 disk? (Currently owned by root, group disk, permissions brw-r-)
 
   Look under /etc/security/ ... it's one of those, I believe.  There's
 also a method to give permissions just to the user logged in on the
 console (useful for sound devices, etc.).
 
   Be warned that by doing this, you're creating a huge exposure in
 terms of system security and stability.  There's a famous story about
 how, in the early days of Linux, Linus didn't think security
 permissions were important until one day he wanted to use his modem
 but tried to dial his hard disk...

Good point. I'll create a new user and give it permissions to the disk
and not my primary login. What was I (not) thinking?

 2. Recommended steps for debugging the Windows configuration?
 
   When it fails to boot that early, you're in rough shape.  Some shots
 in the dark:
 
   VMware does keep some logs with the rest of the VM files; you might
 try looking there.  And there are some debug logging options for
 VMware.
 
   As a sanity test: Can you create a new, empty VM, and install
 Windows on that?  Or at least boot the installer CD?
 
   As another sanity test: Can you use the VMware Converter to pull
 in the real Windows partition into a virtual disk and boot that as a
 VM?
 
   As another sanity test: Do you have an open primary partition slot
 and a partition resizer program?  If so, what if you install plain old
 DOS to another partition and attempt to boot that with VMware?

Well, a secondary reason for doing it this was was that I didn't have a
lot of room on the disk, and hoped that booting from an in-place
installation would save time and disk space. Apparently not...

Of course I have a partition resizer! I've got parted! What more could a
geek want ;) ?

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VMWare Server, WinXP-off-disk on Fedora Core 6

[Ted Roche]

One of my current client projects requires me to VPN into their
establishment. Rather than have a second machine running Windows, I
thought I'd try running VMWare using a dual-boot (WinXPPro/Fedora Core
6) machine. A recent Linux Magazine article by Jason Perlow, Run Your
Windows with VMWare pointed out that VMWare can read a Windows
installation off disk and run it as if it were a virtual image, a
feature I wasn't aware of. You get the benefits of both having a VM and
being able to dual-boot. Cool! So, I set about the process of installing
such beast. I'm hung up on the last step and would appreciate advice.

VMWare offers several versions for free (as in price, not as in speech)
downloads. Their main install scripts (written in Perl) are pretty
slick, detecting problems, coaching you for the correct actions, and
advising about where more information can be found. Several cycles of
script, run, error, re-configure, install, repeat got me to a working
VMWare install. Extra clues were found in a
href=http://www.howtoforge.com/vmware_server_fedora_core_6;How to
Install VMWare Server on A Fedora Core 6 Desktop/a and a
href=http://www.advicesource.org/ubuntu/Run_Existing_Windows_Instalation_On_Ubuntu_With_Vmware_player.html;Run
Existing Windows Installation with VMWare Player/a.

Some obscure permission errors (VMWare reports that it can't open the
image or some related file) were fixed by adding my login to the 'disk'
group so VMWare could read the raw disk, and giving the /dev/hda device
group-read-write access (codesudo chmod g+rw /dev/hda/code - there's
a way to do this permanently...). I confirmed VMWare was installed
correctly by downloading and running one of the many VMs that can be
found at the a href=http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/;VMWare
Virtual Appliance Marketplace/a.

After a few tweaks to the settings in the Windows-from-disk virtual
machine configuration file windows.vmdk and generating a separate file
for the MBR from the disk, booting into the VM produced my startup GRUB
menu! Selecting a Linux partition started Linux, but selecting the
Windows partition just hung after the message chainloader +1.

QUESTIONS: (I'll bet you've been wondering if there was a question...)

1. How do I tell Fedora that /dev/hda ought to be read-write for group
disk? (Currently owned by root, group disk, permissions brw-r-)

2. Recommended steps for debugging the Windows configuration? (A
separate 'VMWare' hardware profile is set up, and hardware profiles are
set to prompt on startup with no timeout. The menu never appears.)

Hardware: ThinkPad T40, 1 Gb RAM, Pentium M 1.5 GHz, 80 Gb IDE HDD,

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Re: VMWare Server, WinXP-off-disk on Fedora Core 6

[Ben Scott]

On 7/25/07, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I thought I'd try running VMWare ...

  Heh.  I just started playing around with VMware Workstation for the
first *today* (literally).  I must say, it has some impressive
features.  On my 'doze box at work, it was able to go out on the
network to another running 'doze box, and import that pre-existing
computer into a VM, which I can now use for testing against the
production environment without crashing the production box.

 1. How do I tell Fedora that /dev/hda ought to be read-write for group
 disk? (Currently owned by root, group disk, permissions brw-r-)

  Look under /etc/security/ ... it's one of those, I believe.  There's
also a method to give permissions just to the user logged in on the
console (useful for sound devices, etc.).

  Be warned that by doing this, you're creating a huge exposure in
terms of system security and stability.  There's a famous story about
how, in the early days of Linux, Linus didn't think security
permissions were important until one day he wanted to use his modem
but tried to dial his hard disk...

  It might be better to create a separate vmware user, put that user
in the disk group (and get the permissions to stick), and use su or
sudo to run VMware from your regular logon account.  That way at least
the attack surface is reduced from anything to VMware itself.

 2. Recommended steps for debugging the Windows configuration?

  When it fails to boot that early, you're in rough shape.  Some shots
in the dark:

  VMware does keep some logs with the rest of the VM files; you might
try looking there.  And there are some debug logging options for
VMware.

  As a sanity test: Can you create a new, empty VM, and install
Windows on that?  Or at least boot the installer CD?

  As another sanity test: Can you use the VMware Converter to pull
in the real Windows partition into a virtual disk and boot that as a
VM?

  As another sanity test: Do you have an open primary partition slot
and a partition resizer program?  If so, what if you install plain old
DOS to another partition and attempt to boot that with VMware?

  As another sanity test: Why is a raven like a writing desk?  ;-)

-- Ben
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Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

[Star]

  At this point, the subject line has become something of an in-joke,
although I will concede I may be the only one in on it.



Oh no!  Actually, I should have known better than to be sipping coffee while
opening this thread...  Ah well, that's why there's a stack of keyboards
over there...

And speaking as someone who has sought you out at times just to start the
You know why Debian is better..? conversations, there is something to be
said in the mental flexing that happens with any such conversation.

Debian's my choice because it's where my comfort zone is.  I have a fairly
good understanding of where it's putting stuff and where to look when I
change one-too-many lines in a config file.  That all started when i got
really p!$$3d off with a RH7 install and a bout of Dependency Hell in the
days before a stable dependency manager (that I was aware of) in RH.  I took
the time to work through all of the problems that a Potato install gave me,
'cause $DIETYs knew that it couldn't be as bad as where I was coming from!
Or so I told myself to prove to me why I was right, and it wasn't really a
fruitless exercise :-D

Once I hit that comfort-zone, and fell in love with the (at that time)
largest available repositories, I was ready to go.  Didn't touch RH again
until 9, and by that time, I'd already converted and been confirmed as a
Debian Zealot.  My attempts to change and view other distros (5 months with
Suse, 4+ months with various Fedoras on work machines, 13.5 minutes with
Ubuntu Hoary [What do you mean now Firefox 1.5?!], a number of let's see
with Mandr[ake|iva]), it came back to where I knew what was going on.  Yes,
on FCx and RHx, changing the interface is as easy as going to
/etc/sysconfig/networking/ifcfg.ethx (or some such), but my fingers are
already hardwired for vi /etc/network/interfaces when I want to change
'em.  When my nVidia xserver doesn't fire up after a kernel upgrade, I
already know (and accept) that it's back at the console for a brief rounder
with Module-Assistant...  The times recently when I test drove the other
distros was more of a curiosity adventure and I knew that I could always run
back under the covers when I didn't wanna figure it out any more.

None of these are perfect, I just happened to chose the imperfect one that I
like best.  I still think that part of the reason that FOSS in general game
so far so fast is because of the typical user-base's tendency to stretch the
boundaries of it's original function.  Hence all of the breakage, fixage,
and rapid bug-patch-releasage (hey I was on a theme).

As to the proprietary stuff: There are pay-for distros that work just fine
with MP3 and DVD codecs, and their price is downright reasonable...
Mandriva, Suse, and RH Workstation have been including them in their
packages for... how long?

Next on the adgenda...  Gnome is so much better than KDE because...

~ Star
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Re: General dependencies discussion (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

[Thomas Charron]

On 2/26/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 2/26/07, Bayard Coolidge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What I was referring to was the quagmire of interdependencies in some
 packages that make it difficult/impractical to update to new versions
 conveniently.
  Libraries enable code re-use.  Now programmers don't have to
continuously re-invent the wheel; they can build on the word of
others.  Shared libraries mean you only have to update one .so to fix
a bug or security hole; you don't have to rebuild/update everything
that uses it.  Sounds like a win, right?  But getting everything you
need together in one place, all configured the same way at once, often
proves an incredibly daunting task.
  Is there a general solution to this problem?


 Install everything.  :-D


 Yes, the x64_86 architecture is supposed to be able to run i386/i586/i686
 binaries ...
  True of the hardware (to some extent), but Linux doesn't seem to
work that way.  x86_64 is treated as distinct from i386.  To run
an i386 program, you need to satisfy all the dependencies it would
normally have, as i386 binaries.  For something like a GNOME or KDE
program (either of which tend to depend on about half a gig of
packages), I can image that's quite... interesting.
  Anyone know if this is the only way to do it?  If not, why did
Linux go this route?  Does x64 Windows do the same thing?


 An i386 application needs i386 libraries.  An x64 needs x64
libraries.  i386 application can run under x64 without a hitch, but
don't expect it to load a libgnome compiled for x64.

 x64 windows has similar issues.

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Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

[Tom Buskey]

Most people seem to be doing just one distribution.  Is anyone else doing
multiples?

I'm running:

Xubuntu on my laptop (I wanted to learn some debianisms)

WinXP on the family PC

MacOSX on the family Macintosh

Fedora on my home server (I grew up w/ RedHat/Mandrake after starting w/
SLS/Slackware)

Solaris 10u3 x86 on my file server (ZFS rocks!)

OpenBSD sparc on my firewall

Fedora on my work desktop and work servers
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Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

[Thomas Charron]

On 2/27/07, Star [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Next on the adgenda...  Gnome is so much better than KDE because...


 Oh sure.  Ben spends a half an hour crafting 'the perfect intro' to
flame city, and what do you respond with?

 A one liner..  Shoulda known part II would suck.  :-)

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Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

[Drew Van Zandt]

Just Debian at home  work, and one of the FC's on a webserver... and
the FC will go away shortly, I don't have enough knowledge of weird
corners to keep it uncrufted under the onslaught of hey I'm
installing foo from the guy I was sharing the server with, who's just
competent enough to be dangerous but doesn't understand the grundly
details.  I don't have time to figure out why installing foo made bar
angry with authentication, or (etc. etc.) twice, once on Debian and
once on FC.  (Actually it's not that I have the same problems on both,
that would be too easy... it's that I have a problem rate of x% per
system, and if the systems are all the same distribution I run into
the same problems, different distros more diverse problems.)

Now, if I did this for a living, running multiple distros would be a
good thing long-term.  On the other hand, that would slow my progress
towards this Science Scout badge to a crawl...

http://scq.ubc.ca/sciencescouts/index.html#11
(I may look like a scientist but I'm actually also a ninja.)
Aikido is freaking hard.  Anyone want to come beat me up?

--DTVZ
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Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

[Ben Scott]

On 2/27/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Most people seem to be doing just one distribution.


 I just *complain* about one distribution.  ;-)  I use a bunch of 'em.

 I still have that Debian install on my main PC at home, tho I'm not
using it right now.  I've also got FC5 (soon to be deleted, I expect),
and FC6 (freshly installed).  I might well have an install of some
MythTV-specific distribution soon.  I also want to give FC6 for x86-64
a try, and Ubuntu.  Oh, and Win XP, labeled Wintendo in GRUB.  :)

 LVM (which I use extensively) is really nice for trying multiple
distributions.  Virtualization (VMware, Xen, etc.) is making that
practice obsolete, but at least right now, IME, a VM is still not the
same as running something on the hardware.

 When I had a home server (gotta get around to fixing it one of these
years), it ran White Box Enterprise Linux, a RHEL clone.

 I've got a TiVo and a LinkSys WRT54G, both of which run Linux (and
are entered into the Linux Counter (http://counter.li.org) as such!).

 I use Knoppix for rescue and similar purposes on a semi-regular basis.

 The GNHLUG server (liberty.gnhlug.org) runs CentOS 4.x, another RHEL clone.


Fedora on my home server ...


 For servers, I recommend CentOS over Fedora.  It's still just like
Red Hat, but it has a much longer release/support cycle -- on the
order of years.  With Fedora basically EOL'ing releases after a year
or so, I find CentOS much nicer for servers.  http://www.centos.org


Solaris 10u3 x86 on my file server (ZFS rocks!)


 Oh yah.  I want to try that, too.

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Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

[Neil Joseph Schelly]

On Tuesday 27 February 2007 08:59 am, Tom Buskey wrote:
 Most people seem to be doing just one distribution.  Is anyone else doing
 multiples?

Debian Stable on my desktop.
Debian Stable on my laptop.
Debian Stable on home firewall/router/VPN endpoint.
Kubuntu on wife's laptop and Win2K on wife's desktop.
KnoppMyth R5 on my MythTV box.
Debian Stable on my work servers.
Debian Testing on some really new work servers.
OpenBSD on work firewalls/routers/VPN endpoints.
Scattered old Red Hat on old work servers that are in line to be deprecated.
-N
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Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

[Tom Buskey]

On 2/27/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 2/27/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Most people seem to be doing just one distribution.

  I just *complain* about one distribution.  ;-)  I use a bunch of 'em.



Which means you have a basis for your complaints, having used more then one
;-)


 LVM (which I use extensively) is really nice for trying multiple

distributions.  Virtualization (VMware, Xen, etc.) is making that
practice obsolete, but at least right now, IME, a VM is still not the
same as running something on the hardware.



I've been mostly VMware Server and find it nice for low CPU/IO stuff.  And
*really* nice when you lease the servers running underneath (Look Ma!  No
reinstall of the OS!)


 When I had a home server (gotta get around to fixing it one of these

years), it ran White Box Enterprise Linux, a RHEL clone.

  I've got a TiVo and a LinkSys WRT54G, both of which run Linux (and
are entered into the Linux Counter (http://counter.li.org) as such!).



Oop, I forgot those.  I have 2 TiVos and a WRT54G.  If I'm listing
everything, I have a few Mattel Juiceboxes that I put photos on instead of
printing.  They run uLinux.

I also have various old Sun systems, Macintosh 68k systems, PCs and an SGI
Indy that I might run every now and then.

 I use Knoppix for rescue and similar purposes on a semi-regular basis.


And they're awesome to give out to people asking 'Hey, what's this linux
thing?'

 For servers, I recommend CentOS over Fedora.  It's still just like

Red Hat, but it has a much longer release/support cycle -- on the
order of years.  With Fedora basically EOL'ing releases after a year
or so, I find CentOS much nicer for servers.  http://www.centos.org



I probably should switch.  I use ffmpeg to convert stuff for the TiVo vi
Galleon.  The Solaris version of ffmpeg doesn't have all the codecs
available.  Fedora had 'em in yum.  My Xubuntu seems to be missing some.
How is CentOS on codecs?



Solaris 10u3 x86 on my file server (ZFS rocks!)

  Oh yah.  I want to try that, too.



You do need to be selective in your SATA cards.  I got one that gave me 
2MB/s where it should have been 20MB/s.  I ended up building a new server w/
builtin SATA (same as someone else on the ZFS was using) and get 60MB/s.

Oh, for the TiVo people, it was *very* easy to install Galleon on Solaris
x86.  I had to install a bunch of java packages on Fedora to get it
running.  Solaris had it all by default.
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Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

[Neil Joseph Schelly]

On Tuesday 27 February 2007 09:59 am, Ben Scott wrote:
   LVM (which I use extensively) is really nice for trying multiple
 distributions.  Virtualization (VMware, Xen, etc.) is making that
 practice obsolete, but at least right now, IME, a VM is still not the
 same as running something on the hardware.

I find the two technologies complement each other very well.  I use LVM 
partitions for my virtual machines.  The new Debian Etch packaging of Xen has 
lots of good tools to script up new virtual servers, creating LVM partitions, 
bootstrapping the OS, setting up it's config and networking, etc.  It's all 
very seamless and really takes a lot of the work that I used to go through 
before to make/destroy LVM partitions for new servers.
-N
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Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

[Travis Roy]

OSX On my Macbook (with a WinXP Parallels VM for work stuff)
Ubuntu Server on my colo server
Ubuntu Server on my home server (file/print)
KnoppMyth on my new MythTV box in the basement

and a mix of CentOS and Fedora at work

I also have an old Dell laptop for a backup that runs WinXP.



On Feb 27, 2007, at 8:59 AM, Tom Buskey wrote:

Most people seem to be doing just one distribution.  Is anyone else  
doing multiples?


I'm running:

Xubuntu on my laptop (I wanted to learn some debianisms)

WinXP on the family PC

MacOSX on the family Macintosh

Fedora on my home server (I grew up w/ RedHat/Mandrake after  
starting w/ SLS/Slackware)


Solaris 10u3 x86 on my file server (ZFS rocks!)

OpenBSD sparc on my firewall

Fedora on my work desktop and work servers

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