Re: What Excites You?
I personally find the intelligent multihomed routing stuff produced by Sockeye Networks really useful and cool. - Marc On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Jon Hall wrote: > Hi, > > I am writing a talk on "What Excites Me" about Linux. The object of this > talk is to not only talk about the philosophical things that excites me, but > honest to goodness "neat" programs. > > For example, gnomemeeting excites *ME* since it will allow me to videoconference > with people while I am on the road. I know that some people like The Gimp, > and I know that Paul Lussier likes GNUcash, but what other Open Source > programs do you think are either stellar, close to stellar, or rapidly > approaching stellar? > > This includes "neat" hardware (TV tuners, radio tuners, etc.) that work with > Linux. > > Thanks, > > md > ___ > gnhlug-discuss mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss > ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
Jon Hall wrote: Hi, I am writing a talk on "What Excites Me" about Linux. The object of this talk is to not only talk about the philosophical things that excites me, but honest to goodness "neat" programs. For example, gnomemeeting excites *ME* since it will allow me to videoconference with people while I am on the road. I know that some people like The Gimp, and I know that Paul Lussier likes GNUcash, but what other Open Source programs do you think are either stellar, close to stellar, or rapidly approaching stellar? This might sound kind of strange, but my favorite Linux-run software is Apache HTTP server. I'm not any kind of guru on it but I just think that the reach and capability of this software, as well as its consistent dominance in the web server market, is pretty exciting. (Even if it's not news to anyone.) I'm also a big fan of the bash shell, I just really like it. Not for shell scripting or anything, just it's nice to have a prompt with all of the features it offers. Neither are really Linux-only though, so I'm not sure if this is really helpful to you. But certainly Linux is helping spread their popularity? Would I have Cygwin at work, or would my Mac at home have shipped with bash or Apache if Linux hadn't been popularizing them in the first place? (I have no idea, though I do know that OS X didn't ship with bash, Python, or Ruby until relatively recently, and I bet that it was spurred by people wanting more of the tools that come standard with Linux distros.) Erik ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Jon Hall wrote: > I am writing a talk on "What Excites Me" about Linux. The object of this > talk is to not only talk about the philosophical things that excites me, but > honest to goodness "neat" programs. I really the tummy.com cid server: http://www.tummy.com/Software/cid I use this to read CallerID info from the modem I have connected to my linux box. It takes this and uses the Perl Net::AIM module to send an AOL Instant Message to me when people call my house. I believe I stole most of the source from the example perl script that came with the aim module. It's available at: http://www.blackavar.com/handy/cid_im_bot (Feel free to improve upon this if you want, I haven't touched the code in over a year and I'm sure it's not the best in the world.) Ben -- A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, "md" == Jon Hall wrote: md> I know that some people like The Gimp, and I know that Paul md> Lussier likes GNUcash, but what other Open Source programs do md> you think are either stellar, close to stellar, or rapidly md> approaching stellar? I have to say, that though I love GnuCash as an app, the thing I love most about Linux is it's total flexibility to get whatever job that needs doing done quickly, efficiently, and with a level of stability that I never question. Whether I need a desktop system for home use, a web server at work, a DNS server, or I need to burn CDs of music just down-loaded from the web, Linux *always* come through with flying colors. Part of what make Linux my first choice for a solution is the stellar support I know I can count on receiving. Linux is more than an OS, it's a community of people who enjoy solving problems and helping each other. I don't get that with Microsoft, Sun, HP, or SGI. -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 15:31, Jon Hall wrote: > Hi, > > I am writing a talk on "What Excites Me" about Linux. The object of this > talk is to not only talk about the philosophical things that excites me, but > honest to goodness "neat" programs. > > For example, gnomemeeting excites *ME* since it will allow me to videoconference > with people while I am on the road. I know that some people like The Gimp, > and I know that Paul Lussier likes GNUcash, but what other Open Source > programs do you think are either stellar, close to stellar, or rapidly > approaching stellar? I've been playing with OpenLDAP a lot lately for all sorts of things. The more I play with it, the more uses I find for it. It's so easy to tie other things in, like Apache, PAM, Samba, etc. and use it for central authentication/pseudo single sign-on. It also works great for a company address book. Another project that I personally find to be in the "stellar" catagory, is the Courier mail server (http://www.courier-mta.org). It's a mail server complete with SMTP/ESMTP,IMAP4, POP3, SSL, Webmail, calendar, spam filtering, mailing list, and all of the bells and whistles. It can even use OpenLDAP to manage aliases and authentication. I'm big on any product that can centralize administration and make my life easier ;-) C-Ya, Kenny -- "Tact is just *not* saying true stuff" -- Cordelia Chase Kenneth E. Lussier Sr. Systems Administrator Zuken, USA PGP KeyID CB254DD0 http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCB254DD0 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
What excites me about Linux? - Multiple possible solutions for the same problem. I am in the midst of some legal work, and the lawyer e-mailed the parties a document with a .wpd document. I first threw it at StarOffice 5.2, and it gagged. Nothing with a '.wpd' suffix was in the menu, and I didn't remember offhand what it was, either. But the 'file' command did (head slapping forehead), and I then was able to invoke AbiWord, which smiled and brought up _most_ of the document. I was then able to roundly chew out the attorney for using fractions instead of decimals, and was also able to create a copy in Microsoft Word format so that the other parties could read it. (How did I know if the .doc file was in Word format? Simple, I went back to StarOffice 5.2 and opened it there, and it came up all funky just like the last Word document I got. Temporarily dropped the font size by a couple of points, came up beautifully, and I shipped it out!). So, I was able to use a couple of different tools, neither of which had been developed by Corel or Microsoft, to solve an interoperability problem between proprietary formats. - I can run [EMAIL PROTECTED] and do so with either their X11 display (which is cool, but only permits one copy per X11 server invocation) or a Tk display (which allows multiple copies to be run, one per [EMAIL PROTECTED] invocation). I have two systems, and each system has two processors, hence I run two copies of [EMAIL PROTECTED] on each system. - I can download, patch, and play with various amateur radio satellite tracking programs. Key thing is that I can patch them to suit my needs, since the source code is generally available. Ditto for various antenna design programs (NEC and its descendants). - I like being in total control of MY system. HTH, Bayard ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
Sigh. I chose Linux over the alternatives for the following reasons: 1. High value. Very high value. Did I say the cost/performance ratio was extraordinarily good? 2. Reliability. I don't have to reboot my system every time I add or remove software. 3. Lots of useful software. Scads of it. Not only do I get net access "for free", I also get a web server, web browser, sound, games, ... Plus, and since I'm a programmer this is very important, I get all the "SDKs" for free. 4. I don't have to divine poorly written documentation, waste my time with useless help desks, or reboot my system to figure out what's going on. Those are the only options with proprietary software - if I can't figure out what's going on, I'm SOL. With Linux, I can read the source - and I usually learn something new in the process. As for a "killer app" for Linux, I can't think of anything better than Linux itself! Of course, the side effect that it makes people think outside the box is pleasant for a small business person like myself - I'm tired of people automatically accepting and using counter-productive software like MS-Word. In the amount of time people spend on their word documents, I could have written 3 or more with Linux and its wealth of tools. --Bruce signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: What Excites You?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jon Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > I am writing a talk on "What Excites Me" about Linux. The object of this > talk is to not only talk about the philosophical things that excites me, but > honest to goodness "neat" programs. I don't know if you'd count this as "exciting", but I'd compare Linux to a good pair of glasses. When I look at something through my glasses, I generally just take the glasses for granted; I don't have to think about how to operate them, I just put them on and use them. By comparison, I guess Windows would be like having a clumsy, condescending moron who holds my glasses for me while I look through them. I can tell him where to point them, but he's convinced he knows better than I do what I "really" want to see, so he points the glasses where he wants as often as where I want. Another way of describing this is that with Linux, when I want to do something I can basically just go ahead and do it, and occasionally I have to decide what additional tool I need to fetch to handle a small part of the task. With Windows, I have to decide in advance what huge application domain to use to handle the entire task, and if that application doesn't handle one part of it, I have to work my way through a file-format maze to travel back and forth between distant application domains to handle it. Or I can redefine my task to suit the limitations of the application I've chosen. I've often seen people use a metaphor where they essentially describe a computer as a digital butler. If Windows is such a butler, then in comparison I find Linux is a prosthetic extension of my brain. And I find a *huge* difference between doing something myself, and asking a butler to do it for me: if you want it done right, you gotta do it yourself. - -- John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux & Unix Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID 0xD5C7B5D9 PGP-Key-Fingerprint 72 FB 39 4F 3C 3B D6 5B E0 C8 5A 6E F1 2C BE 99 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.6 02/09/2003 iQCVAwUBPn+kAVV9A5rVx7XZAQJAtQP/Takb78xOBx8UiZyQM1HVB1OwcNoG0gI1 p+2nG32UWS7HqNhk1wWuLGHrfoiq5VsHeJZxlkDx5WhYsxmnAJsULNjdRnee+pFC qVYCPWXMlOEKgeSLEBmEGQdF0AubeZKh4TZjfT4cu3Sdssagvqbgxe0n8qjkY9S4 o531dgfPlJ0= =Whin -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
You seem to be asking about applications. I apologize, I'm not a heavy application user. Or, at least, not typical applications. (are XEmacs and gcc applications? they're probably what I use most) My admiration of Unix (and Linux in particular) can be summed up in this quote: With a PC, I always felt limited by the software available. On Unix, I am limited only by my knowledge. -- Peter J Schoenster Basically, when I see a Linux box, complete with Emacs, gcc et al., make, gdb, LaTeX+TeX and an efficient, featureful kernel, all COMPLETE WITH SOURCE CODE, I see a box that I can learn a lot from, hack on, and make it do interesting and useful things. Regards, --kevin PS I identify a lot with John Abreau's "glasses" analogy too. -- Kevin D. Clark / Cetacean Networks / Portsmouth, N.H. (USA) cetaceannetworks.com!kclark (GnuPG ID: B280F24E) alumni.unh.edu!kdc ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
A few of my favorite things: 1) Software that has not been touched in 8+ years still works. It may have wacky requirements (*mutter* 8-bit apps), but it runs and people can use it. This is like running an app written for Windows 3.1 in Windows 2000. 2) Applications, applications, applications. There are very few that exist only for Windows that I would regularly use. Web, e-mail, IM, audio, even video editing. 3) Having alterntives. If a driver in Windows doesn't work, you usually upgrade or downgrade. There are rarely alternate versions of the driver available written by someone else. My IBM T30 has a built-in wireless card that dies after about 30 minutes of the built in driver (orinoco_pci), but there is an alternate driver for the hardware that works like a champ. The same can be said for a few generations of SCSI cards (use the Linux native, or BSD-ported IIRC). -Mark pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What Excites You?
I love grip. Insert CD, auto-connect to freedb.org, burn to ogg in two clicks, dumping files into my netjuke directory. I love Apache, PHP, and MySQL which allow me to play said music using any computer connected to the internet. Which, by the way, lets me share my music collection with my family that live far away just the way that telephones let us share communication that previously was restricted to telegraph or paper. Oh yeah, I do the same thing with digital photo albums too. I can just drag and drop the photos into my gallery to publish them complete with EXIF data. I love The Gimp Photoshop (plus Kai's Power Tools [script-fu], plus all the other filters and you could want) for free. I love KRuler and all the other indespensible tools / applications that I have spent years finding for Windows that are included with Linux and just keep getting better. I love OpenOffice, and how it lets me setup ODBC connections to remote MySQL databases that I can edit via a Microsoft Access-style interface without the deficiencies that I've experienced with Access. Then I can easily save data into spreadsheets that I can share with Excel users (for the less enlightened), and I can create reports from queries to easily do analysis, and I can print it to PDF with another click. Oh, and this is all included, for free. I love NOT having to suffer all the pains, privacy invasions, complete waste of time, money and penalties that I've suffered for years using proprietary software. I love not having to fear that some company is recording everything that I do on my computer as if it were their computer, or as if they owned me. -- Greg Rundlett Sr. Internet Systems Architect FREePHILE "Free Software on Linux" [EMAIL PROTECTED] (978) 270-2425 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 17:44, Greg Rundlett wrote: > I love OpenOffice, and how it lets me setup ODBC connections to remote > MySQL databases that I can edit via a Microsoft Access-style interface > without the deficiencies that I've experienced with Access. Ok - I'll bite. How do I do this? 8) I went into OpenOffice Calc, selected Tools->Data Sources. In the windows that came up, I selected ODBC. The Data source URL field filled in with "sdbc:odbc". Not knowing the syntax for the url (I'm trying to connect to a local mysql database) I tried clicking on the elipses button - which gave me the following error: "Could not load the program library libodbc.so or it is corrupted. The ODBC data source selection is not available." I'm running debian and did just install the unixodbc and myodbc packages. $ locate libodbc.so /usr/lib/libodbc.so.1 /usr/lib/libodbc.so.1.0.0 Any thoughts from anybody? -- "Maybe I'll be able to get a job when I graduate..." -Linus Torvalds Cole Tuininga Lead Developer Code Energy, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key ID: 0x43E5755D ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
>>> I'm running debian and did just install the unixodbc and myodbc packages. I don't run Debian, so I'm taking a real SWAG here, but would doing an 'ldconfig', to reset the loader's view of the system libraries, help here? Bayard ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 09:44, Bayard Coolidge wrote: > >>> I'm running debian and did just install the unixodbc and myodbc > packages. > > I don't run Debian, so I'm taking a real SWAG here, but would doing an > 'ldconfig', > to reset the loader's view of the system libraries, help here? I did try that - unfortunately that didn't help. Thanks for the suggestion though. Any others? Does anybody know the syntax for the url off the top of their heads? (I didn't see it in the help). -- "Pay attention son! You've got the attention span of an art major in a computer cluster!" - Sam Stoddard Cole Tuininga Lead Developer Code Energy, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key ID: 0x43E5755D ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
Paul, >WE ALL ARE QUITE EXCITED about next months presentation where you >then show us RH9.0 and explain all the improvements based on our >gripes of RH8.0, which I'm sure you'll take note of on Wednesday >night ;) Oh great, now I know what really excites you about Linux.massive .0 releases of incompatible software..then having the "right" to complain about it. :-) md ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
In a message dated: 25 Mar 2003 09:19:42 EST Cole Tuininga said: >On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 17:44, Greg Rundlett wrote: > >> I love OpenOffice, and how it lets me setup ODBC connections to remote >> MySQL databases that I can edit via a Microsoft Access-style interface >> without the deficiencies that I've experienced with Access. > >Ok - I'll bite. How do I do this? 8) I just saw an article about this, I think on the LJ web site. But if you google for OpenOffice and ODBC I'm sure you'll find a complete HOWTO about this somewhere :) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
I am particularly fond of LaTeX, Gnuplot, and Octave. But then, I'm a physicist so that may not be a big surprise. -Mike- = "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it" -George Bernard Shaw __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
I know it's not exactly what you're looking for but I can't help but to mention Samba. Home networks are not terribly uncommon. In my house, like most 'geeks', I share a cable modem and then have a file and print server. I used, ummm, another product for years but had failures every couple of weeks. Nothing that a reboot wouldn't fix, but certainly annoying. Now I use Linux and Samba and it's never down. When I first switched my kids noticed, even though I didn't tell them I'd made a change. My daughter keeps all of her music on the server and it plays 12 hours a day. I'm working on archiving VHS video's of my kids and all of that is stored there (and beat on heavily when I'm working). Like the energizer bunny it just keeps on going. Take care, GGK Jon Hall wrote: Hi, I am writing a talk on "What Excites Me" about Linux. The object of this talk is to not only talk about the philosophical things that excites me, but honest to goodness "neat" programs. For example, gnomemeeting excites *ME* since it will allow me to videoconference with people while I am on the road. I know that some people like The Gimp, and I know that Paul Lussier likes GNUcash, but what other Open Source programs do you think are either stellar, close to stellar, or rapidly approaching stellar? This includes "neat" hardware (TV tuners, radio tuners, etc.) that work with Linux. Thanks, md ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 09:19, Cole Tuininga wrote: > I went into OpenOffice Calc, selected Tools->Data Sources. In the > windows that came up, I selected ODBC. The Data source URL field filled > in with "sdbc:odbc". Not knowing the syntax for the url (I'm trying to > connect to a local mysql database) I tried clicking on the elipses > button - which gave me the following error: > > "Could not load the program library libodbc.so or it is corrupted. The > ODBC data source selection is not available." > > I'm running debian and did just install the unixodbc and myodbc > packages. > > $ locate libodbc.so > /usr/lib/libodbc.so.1 > /usr/lib/libodbc.so.1.0.0 Found the problem. Open Office wants libodbc.so ... not libodbc.so.1 or libodbc.so.1.0.0. So I just symlinked libodbc and I'm on my way. Thanks all. 8) -- "... one of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs." -- Robert Firth Cole Tuininga Lead Developer Code Energy, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key ID: 0x43E5755D ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
I high school (1980) I had an account at Dartmouth College. They had conferencing. IRC and IM are similar. I used to talk an hour a night. When I was in college (1987) my roomate let me borrow his account to run rn to read net news on a Gould running unix. I kept trying to use DOS to run vi, C, awk, gnuplot, LaTeX, emacs, shell, etc but it just didn't quite do it. I tried minix, but that wasn't much better then the DOS utilities I had. The DOS editors didn't have the 64k file limit either. Around '92 I got a 486. I tried OS/2 2.0. I ended up running unix tools ported to OS/2. Better then DOS because they didn't have the memory limits, but... I tried BSD386 0.1 and it wouldn't boot. Linux SLS w/ kernel 0.95pl5 did. I had LaTeX, real emacs, vi, awk, shell, and XFree86 2.x. Now, I could run all the tools w/o the limits of DOS etc. i don't think linux had networking at this point. I certainly didn't. Not even a SLIP connection. I like Unix because you can combine and build tools to get the job done. Linux brought it off the expensive computers to a box I could have at home. At this time, I started sysadmin at a unix shop. They used emacs and LaTeX for memos. I could do that on Linux. They had the Island suite for a few users. And macintoshes running Office 4.2 w/ Word and Excel. Pine for email. mosaic was just coming out. Windows was at 3.1. NT at 3.1. Today, I can build a better office environment for free w/ Linux, the GIMP, evolution, gnumeric, abiword, and OpenOffice. It's so far ahead of what we had in 1993. I can build an office server. This summer I built a mailhub with imap and an imap to web server with SSL for security. On a P200 someone gave me with downloaded RH 8. All the packages were on the CDs. I didn't have to chase different FTP sites to find the pieces. The whole thing took about a day because I had never setup sendmail for incoming email before. It serves my wife and I very well. And it's faster then the old sparc 1s I used to admin. That's what excites me about Linux. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:31:43 + Jon Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The object of thistalk is to not only talk about the philosophical > things that excites me, but honest to goodness "neat" programs. Philosophical: elmininating the possibility that the vendor of my favorite package may go out of business, leaving me stranded; or reposition a product, leaving me stranded; or someday require an expensive upgrade in order that I may continue to work with my own documents. Honest to goodness neat: Python, beyond question. Python has (I believe) changed the professional life of almost everyone who has learned how to use it. -Bill who's just back from PyCon 2003 :) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 16:52, Bill Sconce wrote: > Honest to goodness neat: Python, beyond question. Python has > (I believe) changed the professional life of almost everyone who > has learned how to use it. So Bill, How about a talk about Python for an upcoming meeting? r > -Bill > who's just back from PyCon 2003 :) > ___ > gnhlug-discuss mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss -- Rob Lembree 29 Milk St. JumpShift, LLC Nashua, NH 03064-1651[EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 603.577.9714 PGP: 1F EE F8 58 30 F1 B1 20 C5 4F 12 21 AD 0D 6B 29 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
Bill Sconce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Honest to goodness neat: Python, beyond question. Python has > (I believe) changed the professional life of almost everyone who > has learned how to use it. The same can be said of Perl. Regards, --kevin -- Kevin D. Clark / Cetacean Networks / Portsmouth, N.H. (USA) cetaceannetworks.com!kclark (GnuPG ID: B280F24E) alumni.unh.edu!kdc ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
On 31 Mar 2003 09:38:33 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin D. Clark) wrote: > The same can be said of Perl. Right you are. Tools so powerful that they change your perception of the problem space. -Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What Excites You?
On 30 Mar 2003 20:08:05 -0500 Rob Lembree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So Bill, > How about a talk about Python for an upcoming meeting? Well, gee... (shuffling his feet)... I dunno... er,... OK. -Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
[OT] Re: What Excites You?
On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 04:52 PM, Bill Sconce wrote: Philosophical: elmininating the possibility that the vendor of my favorite package may go out of business, leaving me stranded; or reposition a product, leaving me stranded; or someday require an expensive upgrade in order that I may continue to work with my own documents. I was reading a post on /. today that (of course) criticized Java for being a proprietary solution, because of the very reasons you stated above. I wonder -- given the tremendous amount of time, work, and code built on top of/with Java, including such incredible open source projects as Tomcat, Xerces, Jikes, etc, is this really a legitimate concern? If you don't care for Java per se, imagine that some other proprietary solution had gained as much support from both commercial and OSS interests -- I'm not really asking specifically about Java. Honest to goodness neat: Python, beyond question. Python has (I believe) changed the professional life of almost everyone who has learned how to use it. I'm with you there. Though I learned Python before I had a professional life... actually I still don't have a professional life yet... Erik ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
