Re: Fonts Re: how dumb is this idea?
I like Georgia. It has lowercase numerals. Didn't Redhat create a set of workalikes for at least the 'most important' fonts in the MS collection? Liberation or libertine or something like that? -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. On May 24, 2014 1:09:01 AM EDT, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote: ttf-mscorefonts-installer Easily my favorite MS product since OS2. In particular, *Georgia* and *Verdana* are a great pair of fonts, designed to complement each other as *text* and *Title*. I have a lot of respect for MS's Typographers last decade. (*It's not their fault what people abuse Comic Sans for*. Yes, I liked the Carter-Cone Lucida family even better -- you see Lucida Bright in Scientific American now -- but that's not as widely available, so unsuitable for file interchange usage. Lucida Fax was great when it shipped with WinFax Pro!) I have set my Gmail default font for HTML email (we lost that war, alas) to Georgia since it's ubiquitous in the XP-and-later Outlook/MSOffice world, and looks nice. It is not free, but does not cost anything. :-) With fonts, that's good enough unless you're a purists, in which case interchanging with MSO is already unclean. -- Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Fonts Re: how dumb is this idea?
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.comwrote: I like Georgia. It has lowercase numerals. The technical terms are ranging numerals or text figures vs the modernist lining figures. Each has its purposes, but it's a very good sign if an oldstyle font includes ranging figs in at least on variant. -- Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
How does that RSA apply to using Windows based OS and software? I'd suggest trying LO, I've used it with no issues between a few applications, as long as I remember to save in the correct MS format. My only issues have been minor touch-ups needed for formatting before printing on Windoze. I also picked up a 32gb usb drive, which I use to run linux on a laptop with a fried sata controller. The issue I would see with sending your kids to school with an OS on a stick is that they might have been smart enough to disable booting off USB. I was looking at windows 8 laptops yesterday, $250 for one. Not my first choice, but that price point is kind of hard to ignore. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:10 PM, r...@mrt4.com wrote: My bad, left off the R. s/b RSA 21-R:10-14 http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/I/21-R/21-R-mrg.htm Ron On Thu, 22 May 2014 19:55:09 -0400 Matt Minuti matt.min...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 6:32 PM, r...@mrt4.com wrote: I don't think it's your problem; the school needs to fix it. Read New Hampshire RSA 21:10-14. Uhh, I think you might've meant something else. http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/i/21/21-mrg.htm doesn't seem all that applicable, unless you're trying to say something about the definitions of the words charter, seal, justice, preceeding, following, said, or such... ;) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- Richard Kolb II ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
Richard Kolb II richard.k...@gmail.com writes: I also picked up a 32gb usb drive, which I use to run linux on a laptop with a fried sata controller. The issue I would see with sending your kids to school with an OS on a stick is that they might have been smart enough to disable booting off USB. That's why I specified an emulator-based live image vs a bootable one. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
I must have missed that, I apologize, the coffee pot was empty when I got to work and I had to wait. :) On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:38 AM, David Rysdam da...@rysdam.org wrote: Richard Kolb II richard.k...@gmail.com writes: I also picked up a 32gb usb drive, which I use to run linux on a laptop with a fried sata controller. The issue I would see with sending your kids to school with an OS on a stick is that they might have been smart enough to disable booting off USB. That's why I specified an emulator-based live image vs a bootable one. -- Richard Kolb II ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:50 PM, r...@mrt4.com wrote: Tell the school about the RSA requiring open software and that they need to fix the problem. The IT folks there may not have the resources to fix it (they might not have a LINUX guy), so they will probably have Any Windows guy should be able to install Libre Office if they could've installed MS Office. I've done a GPO for Libre Office installs too. Oh, you're talking about replacing Windows! I'd just throw LO on the Windows box. If they have a large desktop environment ( 15 desktops) where they have to redo settings/logins and reinstall every year, Windows AD and GPOs are really good. Adding another package is little work once you have GPOs. Meanwhile, Linux is getting puppet/chef/CFengine/bob's home grown scripts combined with LDAP. I wish it was as good as AD. No, I'm not a windows fan, but I don't avoid it. At my current $job, I'm doing OpenStack which is working on the automation. I'm just pointing out that supporting lots of desktops is different then doing them for a family. to contract it out, but that shouldn't be a problem because any chance a school gets to spend more tax dollars, they jump on it. Ron - Schools generally push acceptance and inclusion in all their other activities, computing shouldn't be any different. Fight the good fight ;-) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Fonts Re: how dumb is this idea?
ttf-mscorefonts-installer Easily my favorite MS product since OS2. In particular, *Georgia* and *Verdana* are a great pair of fonts, designed to complement each other as *text* and *Title*. I have a lot of respect for MS's Typographers last decade. (*It's not their fault what people abuse Comic Sans for*. Yes, I liked the Carter-Cone Lucida family even better -- you see Lucida Bright in Scientific American now -- but that's not as widely available, so unsuitable for file interchange usage. Lucida Fax was great when it shipped with WinFax Pro!) I have set my Gmail default font for HTML email (we lost that war, alas) to Georgia since it's ubiquitous in the XP-and-later Outlook/MSOffice world, and looks nice. It is not free, but does not cost anything. :-) With fonts, that's good enough unless you're a purists, in which case interchanging with MSO is already unclean. -- Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
One comment on LO interchange with MSO from recent experience working with MSO-only consultants -- LO Track Changes didn't seem to be as reliably portable when round-tripping doc* files with MS Word users. The changelog was a mess by the time we were done. (I was still on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS at the time, it's possible that's been fixed now, but that's the sort of odd corner where each of the several doc/docx/xml formats could be squirly on round trip collaboration.) Next time, i'll compare saved/sent version to received version to see their changes, and suggest they do likewise. bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
What comes to mind immediately, and this may not be workable for you in that situation; why not a Tails USB stick with persistence enabled? Internet would then also good. But will the schools even allow any of this at all? On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:59 PM, David Rysdam da...@rysdam.org wrote: My kids and I are 100% Linux at home. (My wife has a Mac, which none of us touch unless we absolutely have to.) At school, it is unfortunately obvious the kids use Windows. Also, starting in middle school, the school expects every kid to carry a USB drive back and forth so they can work on projects. I've had some problems providing support for this, to put it mildly. For something like a paper, the solution is obvious: write in plain text and dump into Word at the last minute. (The solution is obvious, but no child of mine has listened to me yet. That's something I don't think GNHLUG can help me with.) But for something like PowerPoint, the solution isn't so obvious. They have to be able to edit it in both places, during in-class work periods and as homework. I don't know what the school expects people to do if they can't afford Office at home. However, I just had an idea. You can get 128GB USB drives on ebay for ~$20 now. Why not install an emulator-based (as opposed to bootable) live CD image on there that they can then mount the rest of the USB drive with and edit their work in Linux *even at school*? They probably won't be able to get on the network with it, which is fine since the host Windows OS could handle that. Transferring documents (for printing, say) may be a problem, although I assume the live CD images somehow manage it. Oh wait, to reap the benefit you'd have to print *from Linux* which probably won't work even if you had the right printer driver set up. Well, print at home, I guess. I don't think security would be a problem unless there's now some way to prevent someone from starting an app off their USB drive. The only real issue I can think of horsepower: Does the school hardware have the oomph to support this hack? I'll have to ask my kids what the school has. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- Sent from whatever machine I might be on right now. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
Derek Atkins de...@ihtfp.com writes: a) Linux supports FATfs, so just use the USB drives as-is.. They usually come formatted in FAT. This will work cross-platform. b) Why don't you use Open/LibreOffice at home? That can export to Word, Excel, or PowerPoint as necessary. Yes, this is the current situation I'm describing as a nightmare. Have you actually tried to use both LibreOffice and PowerPoint, back and forth, to edit the same document? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:59 PM, David Rysdam da...@rysdam.org wrote: However, I just had an idea. You can get 128GB USB drives on ebay for ~$20 now. Why not install an emulator-based (as opposed to bootable) live CD image on there that they can then mount the rest of the USB drive with and edit their work in Linux *even at school*? To me, it seems like a lot of effort when there are perhaps easier solutions -- maybe you've already considered these and they don't work for some reason or other? * if school provides network access during in-class work sessions, edit in google docs at both locations * if school's admin policies let you run an emulator executable off the USB, then you could put a windows version of Libreoffice on that USB drive and run LO in both places * you mention printing as a problem -- just generate pdf and print from windows at school? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
Have you played with portable apps (http://portableapps.com/)? Libre office works on windows and linux. Past that, maybe something hosted (like google docs, but maybe a bit more Free). On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:59 PM, David Rysdam da...@rysdam.org wrote: My kids and I are 100% Linux at home. (My wife has a Mac, which none of us touch unless we absolutely have to.) At school, it is unfortunately obvious the kids use Windows. Also, starting in middle school, the school expects every kid to carry a USB drive back and forth so they can work on projects. I've had some problems providing support for this, to put it mildly. For something like a paper, the solution is obvious: write in plain text and dump into Word at the last minute. (The solution is obvious, but no child of mine has listened to me yet. That's something I don't think GNHLUG can help me with.) But for something like PowerPoint, the solution isn't so obvious. They have to be able to edit it in both places, during in-class work periods and as homework. I don't know what the school expects people to do if they can't afford Office at home. However, I just had an idea. You can get 128GB USB drives on ebay for ~$20 now. Why not install an emulator-based (as opposed to bootable) live CD image on there that they can then mount the rest of the USB drive with and edit their work in Linux *even at school*? They probably won't be able to get on the network with it, which is fine since the host Windows OS could handle that. Transferring documents (for printing, say) may be a problem, although I assume the live CD images somehow manage it. Oh wait, to reap the benefit you'd have to print *from Linux* which probably won't work even if you had the right printer driver set up. Well, print at home, I guess. I don't think security would be a problem unless there's now some way to prevent someone from starting an app off their USB drive. The only real issue I can think of horsepower: Does the school hardware have the oomph to support this hack? I'll have to ask my kids what the school has. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- * Patrick **Flaherty *| * w:* 978 983 6597 *e:* patrick.flahe...@weather.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
David Hardy belovedbold...@gmail.com writes: What comes to mind immediately, and this may not be workable for you in that situation; why not a Tails USB stick with persistence enabled? You started off in English and then trailed off. The last word I understood was a... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
Patrick Flaherty pflahe...@wsi.com writes: Have you played with portable apps (http://portableapps.com/)? Libre office works on windows and linux. Past that, maybe something hosted (like google docs, but maybe a bit more Free). This looks interesting, but I'm having trouble turning the helpful, dumbed-down descriptions into something I can actually understand. Oh, I see Linux is supported via Wine so I guess they do a Windows-only installation that you can use on any other Windows computers. That's probably not quite what I want, since I think they'd want their local Linux version and their school Windows version of LO to be the same for various reasons. That said, it might be the easiest way to figure out how to get a Windows installation of LO onto a USB drive with everything in the right dirs and everything. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
Portable VirtualBox - to Run Linux in a VM from a USB drive in a Windows system http://lifehacker.com/portable-virtualbox-lets-you-take-virtual-machines-anyw-1572641481 http://www.vbox.me/ Or, even easier, portable Libre Office running on Windows. Then the data files are always Libre Office format on a USB drive. Edit on Linux, edit on Windows, always running Libre Office. http://portableapps.com/apps/office/libreoffice_portable/ I'd suggest doing this in any event. However, I bet the school is teaching *PowerPoint*, not presentation software. In which case the student is expected to provide a powerpoint that works on the school's system. If that is the case, you should work out with the teacher how to do things at home. Maybe LibreOffice on a thumb drive is ok. FWIW - in Cub Scouting, I've found lots of reference to OpenOffice instead of the expensive brand. Most schools have a licensing deal with MS and don't think of it. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Patrick Flaherty pflahe...@wsi.com wrote: Have you played with portable apps (http://portableapps.com/)? Libre office works on windows and linux. Past that, maybe something hosted (like google docs, but maybe a bit more Free). On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:59 PM, David Rysdam da...@rysdam.org wrote: My kids and I are 100% Linux at home. (My wife has a Mac, which none of us touch unless we absolutely have to.) At school, it is unfortunately obvious the kids use Windows. Also, starting in middle school, the school expects every kid to carry a USB drive back and forth so they can work on projects. I've had some problems providing support for this, to put it mildly. For something like a paper, the solution is obvious: write in plain text and dump into Word at the last minute. (The solution is obvious, but no child of mine has listened to me yet. That's something I don't think GNHLUG can help me with.) But for something like PowerPoint, the solution isn't so obvious. They have to be able to edit it in both places, during in-class work periods and as homework. I don't know what the school expects people to do if they can't afford Office at home. However, I just had an idea. You can get 128GB USB drives on ebay for ~$20 now. Why not install an emulator-based (as opposed to bootable) live CD image on there that they can then mount the rest of the USB drive with and edit their work in Linux *even at school*? They probably won't be able to get on the network with it, which is fine since the host Windows OS could handle that. Transferring documents (for printing, say) may be a problem, although I assume the live CD images somehow manage it. Oh wait, to reap the benefit you'd have to print *from Linux* which probably won't work even if you had the right printer driver set up. Well, print at home, I guess. I don't think security would be a problem unless there's now some way to prevent someone from starting an app off their USB drive. The only real issue I can think of horsepower: Does the school hardware have the oomph to support this hack? I'll have to ask my kids what the school has. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- * Patrick **Flaherty *| * w:* 978 983 6597 *e:* patrick.flahe...@weather.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name writes: Or, even easier, portable Libre Office running on Windows. Then the data files are always Libre Office format on a USB drive. Edit on Linux, edit on Windows, always running Libre Office. http://portableapps.com/apps/office/libreoffice_portable/ I'd suggest doing this in any event. Reading these links, I realized that this isn't going to work, at least not with the cheap-o 128 GB drives. These things are pretty slow. I probably want a smaller, USB 3.0 drive. However, I bet the school is teaching *PowerPoint*, not presentation software. In which case the student is expected to provide a powerpoint that works on the school's system. If that is the case, you should work out with the teacher how to do things at home. Maybe LibreOffice on a thumb drive is ok. In the computer class, they probably are teaching particular apps but I *think* they always have time to work on them there in that case. For other classes, they are usually handing in paper, well for the Word situations anyway. I guess they must be displaying PPT on the computer, as you say. I guess that makes the entire project moot. NM. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
RE: how dumb is this idea?
You could just use basic Office online for free. https://www.office.com/start/default.aspx -Original Message- From: gnhlug-discuss-boun...@mail.gnhlug.org [mailto:gnhlug-discuss-boun...@mail.gnhlug.org] On Behalf Of David Rysdam Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 14:21 To: Tom Buskey; Patrick Flaherty Cc: GNHLUG Subject: Re: how dumb is this idea? Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name writes: Or, even easier, portable Libre Office running on Windows. Then the data files are always Libre Office format on a USB drive. Edit on Linux, edit on Windows, always running Libre Office. http://portableapps.com/apps/office/libreoffice_portable/ I'd suggest doing this in any event. Reading these links, I realized that this isn't going to work, at least not with the cheap-o 128 GB drives. These things are pretty slow. I probably want a smaller, USB 3.0 drive. However, I bet the school is teaching *PowerPoint*, not presentation software. In which case the student is expected to provide a powerpoint that works on the school's system. If that is the case, you should work out with the teacher how to do things at home. Maybe LibreOffice on a thumb drive is ok. In the computer class, they probably are teaching particular apps but I *think* they always have time to work on them there in that case. For other classes, they are usually handing in paper, well for the Word situations anyway. I guess they must be displaying PPT on the computer, as you say. I guess that makes the entire project moot. NM. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
I second the Google Apps suggestion. My kids school uses Google exclusively and it's easy for the kids to learn and use. Plus it's accessible any where with interwebs connection. I would check with the teachers and administration to see if this is a viable option. Short of that, try the LO options mentioned or the VM hack also looks promising. I may try that one out myself. Schools generally push acceptance and inclusion in all their other activities, computing shouldn't be any different. Fight the good fight ;-) -- Joel Burtram Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone div Original message /divdivFrom: Patrick Flaherty pflahe...@wsi.com /divdivDate:05/22/2014 13:16 (GMT-05:00) /divdivTo: David Rysdam da...@rysdam.org /divdivCc: GNHLUG gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org /divdivSubject: Re: how dumb is this idea? /divdiv /divHave you played with portable apps (http://portableapps.com/)? Libre office works on windows and linux. Past that, maybe something hosted (like google docs, but maybe a bit more Free). On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:59 PM, David Rysdam da...@rysdam.org wrote: My kids and I are 100% Linux at home. (My wife has a Mac, which none of us touch unless we absolutely have to.) At school, it is unfortunately obvious the kids use Windows. Also, starting in middle school, the school expects every kid to carry a USB drive back and forth so they can work on projects. I've had some problems providing support for this, to put it mildly. For something like a paper, the solution is obvious: write in plain text and dump into Word at the last minute. (The solution is obvious, but no child of mine has listened to me yet. That's something I don't think GNHLUG can help me with.) But for something like PowerPoint, the solution isn't so obvious. They have to be able to edit it in both places, during in-class work periods and as homework. I don't know what the school expects people to do if they can't afford Office at home. However, I just had an idea. You can get 128GB USB drives on ebay for ~$20 now. Why not install an emulator-based (as opposed to bootable) live CD image on there that they can then mount the rest of the USB drive with and edit their work in Linux *even at school*? They probably won't be able to get on the network with it, which is fine since the host Windows OS could handle that. Transferring documents (for printing, say) may be a problem, although I assume the live CD images somehow manage it. Oh wait, to reap the benefit you'd have to print *from Linux* which probably won't work even if you had the right printer driver set up. Well, print at home, I guess. I don't think security would be a problem unless there's now some way to prevent someone from starting an app off their USB drive. The only real issue I can think of horsepower: Does the school hardware have the oomph to support this hack? I'll have to ask my kids what the school has. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- Patrick Flaherty | w: 978 983 6597 e: patrick.flahe...@weather.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
Derek Atkins de...@ihtfp.com writes: Another option would be to export your LibreOffice Impress presentation to PDF, and then you can play it on any PDF Viewer. Honestly, this is what I do when actually presenting slides on my Linux box -- I ask the other presenters to send me PDF instead of PPT. That's what I do at work. And I guess that could work. Use LO locally at home, via USB at school then export to PDF to hand in. I guess it all depends on how much you want to fight for your kids' right to use Linux? Installing Windows is a non-starter for multiple reasons. That said, it might actually be a feature that they can't work on these documents at home very well. Encourages planning ahead to do it at school. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
Have you considered asking the school what they do in situations where either the family can't afford the software, doesn't have a computer that can run the software, or simply doesn't have a computer? That might open the doors to a reasonable solution. Unfortunately, most schools think of computer classes as classes in Microsoft Office, many using some of that infuriating SAM garbage. I've seen Pinkerton using that stuff, and it actually marks you as wrong if you Ctrl-C to copy instead of clicking an obscure ribbon icon. You may be entering a larger (and quite worthy IMHO) battle without realizing it. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Kevin French kfre...@gmilcs.org wrote: You could just use basic Office online for free. https://www.office.com/start/default.aspx -Original Message- From: gnhlug-discuss-boun...@mail.gnhlug.org [mailto: gnhlug-discuss-boun...@mail.gnhlug.org] On Behalf Of David Rysdam Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 14:21 To: Tom Buskey; Patrick Flaherty Cc: GNHLUG Subject: Re: how dumb is this idea? Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name writes: Or, even easier, portable Libre Office running on Windows. Then the data files are always Libre Office format on a USB drive. Edit on Linux, edit on Windows, always running Libre Office. http://portableapps.com/apps/office/libreoffice_portable/ I'd suggest doing this in any event. Reading these links, I realized that this isn't going to work, at least not with the cheap-o 128 GB drives. These things are pretty slow. I probably want a smaller, USB 3.0 drive. However, I bet the school is teaching *PowerPoint*, not presentation software. In which case the student is expected to provide a powerpoint that works on the school's system. If that is the case, you should work out with the teacher how to do things at home. Maybe LibreOffice on a thumb drive is ok. In the computer class, they probably are teaching particular apps but I *think* they always have time to work on them there in that case. For other classes, they are usually handing in paper, well for the Word situations anyway. I guess they must be displaying PPT on the computer, as you say. I guess that makes the entire project moot. NM. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Matt Minuti matt.min...@gmail.com wrote: Have you considered asking the school what they do in situations where either the family can't afford the software, doesn't have a computer that can run the software, or simply doesn't have a computer? That might open the doors to a reasonable solution. What he said. If they're doing fancy animation in the PPT, they're doing the wrong thing IMO. A good presenter can make their point in a noisy bar, possibly a napkin. The best PPT/animation/multimedia can't make a bad presentation better. Teach to present, not to do fancy stuff with PPT. Unfortunately, most schools think of computer classes as classes in Microsoft Office, many using Yes, that's pretty sad. In my day, we didn't have Office and computer classes were programming. We had typewriter classes for the office/secretarial type stuff. There is a place for learning spreadsheets, word processors and the like. Just like learning to use a pencil, ruler, protractor, calculator. There is still a need for learning computers that the average office worker doesn't learn. Programming, installing software or an OS, building a computer. some of that infuriating SAM garbage. I've seen Pinkerton using that stuff, and it actually marks you as wrong if you Ctrl-C to copy instead of clicking an obscure ribbon icon. You may be entering a larger (and quite worthy IMHO) battle without realizing it. In college, one of my friends got the right answer on a fluid dynamics test by solving with thermodynamic methods (equations?) instead of the fluid dynamic methods taught in the course (yes, it is possible for some problems). He got partial credit. If he had just put the answer down w/o showing his work, he would've gotten no credit. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Kevin French kfre...@gmilcs.org wrote: You could just use basic Office online for free. https://www.office.com/start/default.aspx -Original Message- From: gnhlug-discuss-boun...@mail.gnhlug.org [mailto: gnhlug-discuss-boun...@mail.gnhlug.org] On Behalf Of David Rysdam Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 14:21 To: Tom Buskey; Patrick Flaherty Cc: GNHLUG Subject: Re: how dumb is this idea? Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name writes: Or, even easier, portable Libre Office running on Windows. Then the data files are always Libre Office format on a USB drive. Edit on Linux, edit on Windows, always running Libre Office. http://portableapps.com/apps/office/libreoffice_portable/ I'd suggest doing this in any event. Reading these links, I realized that this isn't going to work, at least not with the cheap-o 128 GB drives. These things are pretty slow. I probably want a smaller, USB 3.0 drive. However, I bet the school is teaching *PowerPoint*, not presentation software. In which case the student is expected to provide a powerpoint that works on the school's system. If that is the case, you should work out with the teacher how to do things at home. Maybe LibreOffice on a thumb drive is ok. In the computer class, they probably are teaching particular apps but I *think* they always have time to work on them there in that case. For other classes, they are usually handing in paper, well for the Word situations anyway. I guess they must be displaying PPT on the computer, as you say. I guess that makes the entire project moot. NM. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
I don't think it's your problem; the school needs to fix it. Read New Hampshire RSA 21:10-14. Ron == On Thu, 22 May 2014 12:59:15 -0400 David Rysdam da...@rysdam.org wrote: My kids and I are 100% Linux at home. (My wife has a Mac, which none of us touch unless we absolutely have to.) At school, it is unfortunately obvious the kids use Windows. Also, starting in middle school, the school expects every kid to carry a USB drive back and forth so they can work on projects. I've had some problems providing support for this, to put it mildly. For something like a paper, the solution is obvious: write in plain text and dump into Word at the last minute. (The solution is obvious, but no child of mine has listened to me yet. That's something I don't think GNHLUG can help me with.) But for something like PowerPoint, the solution isn't so obvious. They have to be able to edit it in both places, during in-class work periods and as homework. I don't know what the school expects people to do if they can't afford Office at home. However, I just had an idea. You can get 128GB USB drives on ebay for ~$20 now. Why not install an emulator-based (as opposed to bootable) live CD image on there that they can then mount the rest of the USB drive with and edit their work in Linux *even at school*? They probably won't be able to get on the network with it, which is fine since the host Windows OS could handle that. Transferring documents (for printing, say) may be a problem, although I assume the live CD images somehow manage it. Oh wait, to reap the benefit you'd have to print *from Linux* which probably won't work even if you had the right printer driver set up. Well, print at home, I guess. I don't think security would be a problem unless there's now some way to prevent someone from starting an app off their USB drive. The only real issue I can think of horsepower: Does the school hardware have the oomph to support this hack? I'll have to ask my kids what the school has. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 6:32 PM, r...@mrt4.com wrote: I don't think it's your problem; the school needs to fix it. Read New Hampshire RSA 21:10-14. Uhh, I think you might've meant something else. http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/i/21/21-mrg.htm doesn't seem all that applicable, unless you're trying to say something about the definitions of the words charter, seal, justice, preceeding, following, said, or such... ;) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: how dumb is this idea?
My bad, left off the R. s/b RSA 21-R:10-14 http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/I/21-R/21-R-mrg.htm Ron On Thu, 22 May 2014 19:55:09 -0400 Matt Minuti matt.min...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 6:32 PM, r...@mrt4.com wrote: I don't think it's your problem; the school needs to fix it. Read New Hampshire RSA 21:10-14. Uhh, I think you might've meant something else. http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/i/21/21-mrg.htm doesn't seem all that applicable, unless you're trying to say something about the definitions of the words charter, seal, justice, preceeding, following, said, or such... ;) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
