Re: need Openvpn routing help

2008-06-17 Thread Thomas Charron
On 6/16/08, Charlie Farinella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I had set the iroute directive earlier and was able to ping through to
> the secondary interface from the server, but not from the other
> clients.  Pushing the route has now allowed the other clients to see
> the interface as well.  Thank you.  :-)
> My last remaining obstacle is allowing the packets to be forwarded
> through OpenBSD's packet filter.  I will do some reading and hopefully
> will have this up and running soon.
> Thanks to everyone, you guys are "it".  :-)

  Awesome.

  *Semi OT comment*

  This is one area where I've always felt that OpenSource applications
generally suffer.  More often then not, most commercial operating
systems present most of these sort of things with some sort of
graphical configuration interface to the configuration files.  Granted
there are pushes to 'polish' most modern Linux distros, I'd be really
nice for some sort of centralized graphical configuration which is at
least semi intuative.  I came to the above information as I actually
have routes set up in a simular manner, but configured them via
pfSense's front end, which actually has intuative configuration
screens for this sort of thing.

  I know, I know.  distros have in the past provided some means of
graphically configuring things.  But they all seem to have been
stopgaps to provide something, and not one unified interface.  Webmin
did a pretty good job at this thinking about it, but they never seemed
to 'kick it to the next level'.  Just thinking out loud I suppose...

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Re: need Openvpn routing help

2008-06-16 Thread Charlie Farinella
On Monday 16 June 2008, Thomas Charron wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Charlie Farinella
> >> 10.8.8.6 is pingable
> >> from this machine and traceroute shows it as one hop, I can ssh in,
> >> etc.  I get similar error messages (SIOCADDRT: Network is 
unreachable)
> >> if I try to set it up on a Linux client.  I don't understand how I 
have
> >> to set the gateway, or perhaps I'm misunderstanding what the 
gateway
> >> should be.
> >  Hrm.  Do you have the --client-to-client option anyplace?  Can you
> > connect in a way BESIDES ping to the other machines, like, ssh, or
> > telnet to port 22?
> 
>   This is an excerpt from the man pages regarding the
> --client-to-client.  Remember, OpenVPN doesn't just dump packets, it
> manages them.  These two options are important for what your wish to
> do:
> 
> =  From man openvpn::

> The --iroute directive also has an important interaction with
> --push "route ...". --iroute essentially defines a subnet which is
> owned by a particular client (we will call this client A). If you
> would like other clients to be able to reach A's subnet, you can use
> --push "route ..." together with --client-to-client to effect this. 

I had set the iroute directive earlier and was able to ping through to 
the secondary interface from the server, but not from the other 
clients.  Pushing the route has now allowed the other clients to see 
the interface as well.  Thank you.  :-)

My last remaining obstacle is allowing the packets to be forwarded 
through OpenBSD's packet filter.  I will do some reading and hopefully 
will have this up and running soon.

Thanks to everyone, you guys are "it".  :-)

--charlie

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Re: need Openvpn routing help

2008-06-16 Thread Thomas Charron
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Charlie Farinella
>> 10.8.8.6 is pingable
>> from this machine and traceroute shows it as one hop, I can ssh in,
>> etc.  I get similar error messages (SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable)
>> if I try to set it up on a Linux client.  I don't understand how I have
>> to set the gateway, or perhaps I'm misunderstanding what the gateway
>> should be.
>  Hrm.  Do you have the --client-to-client option anyplace?  Can you
> connect in a way BESIDES ping to the other machines, like, ssh, or
> telnet to port 22?

  This is an excerpt from the man pages regarding the
--client-to-client.  Remember, OpenVPN doesn't just dump packets, it
manages them.  These two options are important for what your wish to
do:

=  From man openvpn::

--iroute network [netmask]
Generate an internal route to a specific client. The netmask
parameter, if omitted, defaults to 255.255.255.255.

This directive can be used to route a fixed subnet from the server
to a particular client, regardless of where the client is connecting
from. Remember that you must also add the route to the system routing
table as well (such as by using the --route directive). The reason why
two routes are needed is that the --route directive routes the packet
from the kernel to OpenVPN. Once in OpenVPN, the --iroute directive
routes to the specific client.

This option must be specified either in a client instance config
file using --client-config-dir or dynamically generated using a
--client-connect script.

The --iroute directive also has an important interaction with
--push "route ...". --iroute essentially defines a subnet which is
owned by a particular client (we will call this client A). If you
would like other clients to be able to reach A's subnet, you can use
--push "route ..." together with --client-to-client to effect this. In
order for all clients to see A's subnet, OpenVPN must push this route
to all clients EXCEPT for A, since the subnet is already owned by A.
OpenVPN accomplishes this by not not pushing a route to a client if it
matches one of the client's iroutes.
--client-to-client
Because the OpenVPN server mode handles multiple clients through a
single tun or tap interface, it is effectively a router. The
--client-to-client flag tells OpenVPN to internally route
client-to-client traffic rather than pushing all client-originating
traffic to the TUN/TAP interface.

When this option is used, each client will "see" the other clients
which are currently connected. Otherwise, each client will only see
the server. Don't use this option if you want to firewall tunnel
traffic using custom, per-client rules.

 end excerpt

  In your openvpn.conf file, you'd need something that specifies
client-to-client, as well as pushed route commands.  The CLIENT
connection scripts then need iroute entries so openvpn is aware that
it is to route traffic for those external interfaces as well, THRU the
OpenVPN tunnel.

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Re: need Openvpn routing help

2008-06-16 Thread Thomas Charron
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Charlie Farinella
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok thank you, here we go, I hope I can explain it well enough for people
> to understand.

  Awesome, now THERE'S some raw data.

> I need to create a route from an XP client to 10.10.0.42 on the OpenBSD
> client.  Attempting to set "route add 10.10.0.0 mask 255.255.255.0
> 10.8.8.6 if 3" results in failure, " either the interface index is
> wrong ( interface index 3 is the TAP-Win adapter ) or the gateway does
> not lie on the same network as the interface".

  Shouldn't need to if 3 argument, it's optional.

> 10.8.8.6 is pingable
> from this machine and traceroute shows it as one hop, I can ssh in,
> etc.  I get similar error messages (SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable)
> if I try to set it up on a Linux client.  I don't understand how I have
> to set the gateway, or perhaps I'm misunderstanding what the gateway
> should be.
>

  Hrm.  Do you have the --client-to-client option anyplace?  Can you
connect in a way BESIDES ping to the other machines, like, ssh, or
telnet to port 22?

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Re: need Openvpn routing help

2008-06-16 Thread Charlie Farinella
On Friday 13 June 2008, Ben Scott wrote:
> Suggested course of action:
> 
>   Use the "route" command to review the routing tables on the two
> computers.  Just issue the command "route" with no arguments, and it
> should print the routing table.  Or maybe "route -n" to prevent the
> system from wasting time trying to look up names for things.  If
> you're not sure how to interpret the output, post the output (for each
> computer, identifying which is which), and we can check your work.

Ok thank you, here we go, I hope I can explain it well enough for people 
to understand.  

Server -- CentOS 5.1 10.8.8.1
Client1 -- WinXP 10.8.8.10
Client2 -- OpenBSD 10.8.8.6

Client1 and Client2 are on different subnets, 192.168.24.0 and 
192.168.25.0.

I need to create a route from an XP client to 10.10.0.42 on the OpenBSD 
client.  Attempting to set "route add 10.10.0.0 mask 255.255.255.0 
10.8.8.6 if 3" results in failure, " either the interface index is 
wrong ( interface index 3 is the TAP-Win adapter ) or the gateway does 
not lie on the same network as the interface".  10.8.8.6 is pingable 
from this machine and traceroute shows it as one hop, I can ssh in, 
etc.  I get similar error messages (SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable)  
if I try to set it up on a Linux client.  I don't understand how I have 
to set the gateway, or perhaps I'm misunderstanding what the gateway 
should be.

OpenVPN server:
==
Kernel IP routing table
Destination  Gateway  Genmask  Flags  Metric  Ref  Use  Iface
10.8.8.2*   255.255.255.255 UH0  00 tun0
63.131.36.0 *255.255.255.224 U 0  00 eth0
10.8.8.0 10.8.8.2   255.255.255.0   UG0  00 tun0
default   63.131.36.1   0.0.0.0 UG0  00 eth0
==

Client1 running XP:
==
Active Routes:
Network Destination Netmask   Gateway   Interface  Metric
0.0.0.0  0.0.0.0   192.168.24.254  192.168.24.214   20
10.8.8.0255.255.255.0 10.8.8.9   10.8.8.10   1
10.8.8.8  255.255.255.25210.8.8.10   10.8.8.10   30
10.8.8.10  255.255.255.255127.0.0.1   127.0.0.1   30
10.255.255.255  255.255.255.25510.8.8.10   10.8.8.10   
30
127.0.0.0255.0.0.0127.0.0.1   127.0.0.1   1
192.168.24.0255.255.255.0   192.168.24.214  192.168.24.214   20
192.168.24.214  255.255.255.255127.0.0.1   127.0.0.1   
20
192.168.24.255  255.255.255.255   192.168.24.214  192.168.24.214   
20
224.0.0.0240.0.0.010.8.8.10   10.8.8.10   30
224.0.0.0240.0.0.0   192.168.24.214  192.168.24.214   20
255.255.255.255  255.255.255.25510.8.8.10   10.8.8.10   
1
255.255.255.255  255.255.255.255   192.168.24.214  192.168.24.214   
1
Default Gateway:192.168.24.254
==

Client2 running OpenBSD:
==
Routing tables
Internet:
Destination Gateway FlagsRefs  UseMtu  Interface
default   192.168.25.254 UGS 0 2307  -  fxp0
10.8.8/24   10.8.8.5   UGS 0  405  -   tun0
10.8.8.5 10.8.8.6   UH  02  -   tun0
10.10.0/24 link#1 UC  00  -   xl0
10.10.0.42 00:08:da:61:5c:68  UHLc03  -   xl0
loopbacklocalhost.corp.app UGRS00  33224   lo0
localhost.corp.app localhost.corp.app UH  00  33224   
lo0
192.168.25/24  link#2 UC  00  -   fxp0
192.168.25.25  link#2 UHLc0  411  -   fxp0
192.168.25.25400:0e:2e:b1:1e:da  UHLc  00  -   fxp0
BASE-ADDRESS.MCAST localhost.corp.app URS   00  33224   lo0
==

thanks,

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Re: need Openvpn routing help

2008-06-13 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Michael ODonnell
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I believe the route command is used to identify/control
> which interface to use to reach a particular host/network
> [and which one(s) to handoff to in the default case(s)] for
> connections originating on the machine in question.  I believe
> that's distinct from forwarding, which determines whether/how
> inbound traffic destined for other hosts/networks is handled,
> and is managed by manipulating /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> and friends via the sysctl command.

  Clarification:

  The kernel routing table determines the next-hop of all packets the
system transmits[1], regardless of whether they are originating
locally or being forwarded.

  The net.ipv4.ip_forward kernel option simply turns forwarding on or
off.  When forwarding is off, if the kernel receives a packet for
another host, the packet is dropped[2].  When forwarding is on, the
kernel will use the routing table to decide where such a packet should
go for the next hop.

  That next-hop could be a node reachable via a network interface on
the system (such as a host on a locally connected Ethernet, or the
other end of a PPP link).  In that case, the routing table will simply
tell the kernel to transmit the packet to that node via the
appropriate interface.  Alternatively, the next-hop could be a gateway
-- i.e., not the final destination, but an intermediate node.  In that
case, the kernel also uses the routing table to decide how to reach
the gateway.

  In simpler terms, a routing table entry -- a route -- simply tells
the kernel, "to reach this destination, use this interface" or "to
reach this destination, use this gateway".

  A default route is simply a route which matches any destination.
There is absolutely no difference between a default route and any
other route.  There is nothing special about a default route.  A
default route is simply the least-specific possible route.  Since more
specific routes are always preferred, any other route will be
preferred over a default route.  Did I mention that a default route
works like any other route?  (Sorry to belabor this, but this is a
common source of confusion.)

Footnotes
-
[1] Technically speaking, things like iptables (NAT, mangle, etc.),
policy routing, and multiple routing tables can also influence
routing.  Presumably, if you're using them, you know about that.
[2] Or maybe an ICMP message gets sent; I forget.  Either way, the
packet is not forwarded.

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Re: need Openvpn routing help

2008-06-13 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ... OpenVPN option like:
>
> push "route 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0";

  FYI, all that ends up doing is have the openvpn daemon execute the
"route" command for you when the tunnel comes up.  That's usually a
good thing, of course, since it makes the system self-configuring, and
also avoids attempting configuration when the VPN isn't there.  But as
far as the kernel router is concerned, it is identical to issuing the
"route" command manually.

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Re: need Openvpn routing help

2008-06-13 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Jun 13, 2008, at 13:03, Charlie Farinella wrote:

> I have tried various permutations of the
> above with no luck and feel like I am missing an important part of  
> this
> puzzle.


I have to admit to hitting a parser exception on your network layout,  
but it sounds like maybe on the machine with two NIC's you should be  
offering an OpenVPN option like:

push "route 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0";

On my gateway, I have, simplified:

   10.1.1.0/24 LAN
   10.1.2.0/24 WIRELESS
   10.1.3.0/24 VPN

with a default route through 10.1.1.1.  So, to get traffic from the  
VPN clients to the WIRELESS clients, I need:

push "route 10.1.2.0 255.255.255.0";

to send to the OpenVPN clients.  Because the default route exists I  
don't need to specify that one explicitly, OpenVPN handles that.

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Re: need Openvpn routing help

2008-06-13 Thread Michael ODonnell


> You're the second person to phrase it that way, "does the machine
> know that it's supposed to route traffic".  Showing my ignorance
> I will ask how do I make sure it "knows" to do this.  I thought
> running the route command did that, but apparently there's more.

I believe the route command is used to identify/control
which interface to use to reach a particular host/network
[and which one(s) to handoff to in the default case(s)] for
connections originating on the machine in question.  I believe
that's distinct from forwarding, which determines whether/how
inbound traffic destined for other hosts/networks is handled,
and is managed by manipulating /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
and friends via the sysctl command.
 
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Re: need Openvpn routing help

2008-06-13 Thread John Abreau

On Fri, June 13, 2008 4:23 pm, Charlie Farinella said:

> You're the second person to phrase it that way, "does the machine know
> that it's supposed to route traffic".  Showing my ignorance I will ask
> how do I make sure it "knows" to do this.  I thought running the route
> command did that, but apparently there's more.
>


I believe somebody already answered that earlier in this thread:

sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1

Another way to do the same thing (in a root shell):

echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/forwarding

To do this when not in a root shell:

echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/forwarding


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Re: need Openvpn routing help

2008-06-13 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Charlie Farinella
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You're the second person to phrase it that way, "does the machine know
> that it's supposed to route traffic".  Showing my ignorance I will ask
> how do I make sure it "knows" to do this.  I thought running the route
> command did that, but apparently there's more.

  Well, the "route" command *is* how you tell a computer about routes,
for the most part.  There's just some question about what the various
computers involved "know" about your networks.

  It does sound like this question isn't really OpenVPN-specific --
it's just an IP routing question, not an OpenVPN IP routing question.
Things would work the same if the 10.10.0.0/24 network was a
physically wired network instead of a virtual private network.  (Well,
maybe.  There may be some OpenVPN-specific issue that hasn't been
identified yet.  But it doesn't sound like it to me at this point.)
Either way, it's okay -- we can help with IP routing questions, too.
:)

Suggested course of action:

  Use the "route" command to review the routing tables on the two
computers.  Just issue the command "route" with no arguments, and it
should print the routing table.  Or maybe "route -n" to prevent the
system from wasting time trying to look up names for things.  If
you're not sure how to interpret the output, post the output (for each
computer, identifying which is which), and we can check your work.

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Re: need Openvpn routing help

2008-06-13 Thread Charlie Farinella
On Friday 13 June 2008, Neil Joseph Schelly wrote:
> This doesn't sound like an OpenVPN thing at all.  Does MachineB know 
that it's 
> supposed to route traffic between it's 10.8.0/24 network and it's 
10.10.0/24 
> network?  If it knows that much, then OpenVPN doesn't have to be 
involved at 
> all and you just add the route as you specified.
> -N

You're the second person to phrase it that way, "does the machine know 
that it's supposed to route traffic".  Showing my ignorance I will ask 
how do I make sure it "knows" to do this.  I thought running the route 
command did that, but apparently there's more.  

thanks,

--charlie

> On Friday 13 June 2008 13:03, Charlie Farinella wrote:
> > I have 2 Openvpn clients.
> > MachineA (10.8.0.6)
> > MachineB (10.8.0.10)
> >
> > MachineA has 2 physical ethernet cards:
> > 192.168.x.1
> > 10.10.0.10
> >
> > I need to add a route from MachineB (10.8.0.10) to the second 
ethernet
> > interface on MachineA (10.10.0.10).  My clients can see and connect 
to
> > each other.
> >
> > I have set "route add -net 10.10.0.10 -netmask 255.255.255.0 
10.8.0.6",
> > but cannot ping the address and running traceroute doesn't show it 
using
> > 10.8.0.6 as the gateway.  I have tried various permutations of the
> > above with no luck and feel like I am missing an important part of 
this
> > puzzle.
> >
> > If someone is good with Openvpn, I could use some help.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > --charlie
> 
> 



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Re: need Openvpn routing help

2008-06-13 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> route add net 10.10.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 10.8.0.6

  Also:

Make sure IP forwarding is enabled on both VPN gateways.  You can check with

sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward

and turn it on with

sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1

  If you're using an iptables firewall, you may also need to add rules
to allow the packets in the FORWARD chain.

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Re: need Openvpn routing help

2008-06-13 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Charlie Farinella
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have set "route add -net 10.10.0.10 -netmask 255.255.255.0 10.8.0.6"

  Try this:

route add net 10.10.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 10.8.0.6

  That's what I would use.  I'm not sure if the syntax differences
between what I would use and what you are using are significant or
not.  If mine works, I would guess they are.  :)

  Try also just "route" to see what the system thinks the interface will be.

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Re: need Openvpn routing help

2008-06-13 Thread Neil Joseph Schelly
This doesn't sound like an OpenVPN thing at all.  Does MachineB know that it's 
supposed to route traffic between it's 10.8.0/24 network and it's 10.10.0/24 
network?  If it knows that much, then OpenVPN doesn't have to be involved at 
all and you just add the route as you specified.
-N

On Friday 13 June 2008 13:03, Charlie Farinella wrote:
> I have 2 Openvpn clients.
> MachineA (10.8.0.6)
> MachineB (10.8.0.10)
>
> MachineA has 2 physical ethernet cards:
> 192.168.x.1
> 10.10.0.10
>
> I need to add a route from MachineB (10.8.0.10) to the second ethernet
> interface on MachineA (10.10.0.10).  My clients can see and connect to
> each other.
>
> I have set "route add -net 10.10.0.10 -netmask 255.255.255.0 10.8.0.6",
> but cannot ping the address and running traceroute doesn't show it using
> 10.8.0.6 as the gateway.  I have tried various permutations of the
> above with no luck and feel like I am missing an important part of this
> puzzle.
>
> If someone is good with Openvpn, I could use some help.
>
> thanks,
>
> --charlie
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Re: need Openvpn routing help

2008-06-13 Thread Charlie Farinella
On Friday 13 June 2008, Thomas Charron wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Charlie Farinella
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have 2 Openvpn clients.
> > MachineA (10.8.0.6)
> > MachineB (10.8.0.10)
> >
> > MachineA has 2 physical ethernet cards:
> >192.168.x.1
> >10.10.0.10
> >
> > I need to add a route from MachineB (10.8.0.10) to the second 
ethernet
> > interface on MachineA (10.10.0.10).  My clients can see and connect 
to
> > each other.
> >
> > I have set "route add -net 10.10.0.10 -netmask 255.255.255.0 
10.8.0.6",
> > but cannot ping the address and running traceroute doesn't show it 
using
> > 10.8.0.6 as the gateway.  I have tried various permutations of the
> > above with no luck and feel like I am missing an important part of 
this
> > puzzle.
> 
>   10.10.0.10 is the IP address, NOT the network address.  Based on
> your netmask, shouldn't you be using 10.10.0.0 as the address in the
> route?

Typo.  I am in fact using 10.10.0.0 in the route.

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Re: need Openvpn routing help

2008-06-13 Thread Thomas Charron
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Charlie Farinella
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have 2 Openvpn clients.
> MachineA (10.8.0.6)
> MachineB (10.8.0.10)
>
> MachineA has 2 physical ethernet cards:
>192.168.x.1
>10.10.0.10
>
> I need to add a route from MachineB (10.8.0.10) to the second ethernet
> interface on MachineA (10.10.0.10).  My clients can see and connect to
> each other.
>
> I have set "route add -net 10.10.0.10 -netmask 255.255.255.0 10.8.0.6",
> but cannot ping the address and running traceroute doesn't show it using
> 10.8.0.6 as the gateway.  I have tried various permutations of the
> above with no luck and feel like I am missing an important part of this
> puzzle.

  10.10.0.10 is the IP address, NOT the network address.  Based on
your netmask, shouldn't you be using 10.10.0.0 as the address in the
route?

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need Openvpn routing help

2008-06-13 Thread Charlie Farinella
I have 2 Openvpn clients.
MachineA (10.8.0.6)
MachineB (10.8.0.10)

MachineA has 2 physical ethernet cards:
192.168.x.1
10.10.0.10

I need to add a route from MachineB (10.8.0.10) to the second ethernet
interface on MachineA (10.10.0.10).  My clients can see and connect to 
each other.  

I have set "route add -net 10.10.0.10 -netmask 255.255.255.0 10.8.0.6", 
but cannot ping the address and running traceroute doesn't show it using 
10.8.0.6 as the gateway.  I have tried various permutations of the 
above with no luck and feel like I am missing an important part of this 
puzzle.

If someone is good with Openvpn, I could use some help.

thanks,

--charlie

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