Re: running Gnome apps on an ssh session
I certainly do see the problem with security, but it would certainly be nice to run gnome apps as sudo or su and have access to them rather than having to log all the way out of Gnome and back in as root to do one small thing. Prier to this last post I had wondered why everytime I ran gedit as root via sudo to edit some conf file gnopernicus would go dead and not speak until the sudo instance of gedit was quit. - Original Message - From: "Bill Haneman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 4:51 PM Subject: Re: running Gnome apps on an ssh session > Kenny asked: > > >Hi. Is this documented in bug reports? If not, what packages need bug > >reports filed against them? > > > > > I've filed RFEs 164941 for bonobo-activation (remote activation) and > 164942 for at-spi (remote application communication with > at-spi-registryd). The two are inter-related. > > There are some interesting questions raised here, and it's not entirely > obvious what the best approach is. We could, for instance, move away > from bonobo-activation for the registry, and use an X-display-based > technique such as stringifying the IOR in an X atom in order to locate > the appropriate at-spi-registryd instance. This would turn our > per-user/host AT-SPI registry into a per-DISPLAY registration - however > there may be some security implications in doing so. > > The issue of what to do about applications sharing the same display, but > owned by different users, is even trickier, and arises when, for > instance, a user runs an application which needs root privilege, such as > the set-date-and-time utility. Some such applications run the GUI as > root too, which prevents them from connecting with the user's at-spi > registry. In general, one doesn't want other users to have access to > one another's accessibility APIs because it violates the usual > user-based security model - particular when they may be running as root. > > Bill > > > Kenny > > > > > > > > >On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 06:42:45PM +, Bill Haneman wrote: > > > > > >>Hi Kenny: > >> > >>Accessibility for remote GNOME apps is still on the roadmap. Because > >>the accessibility framework uses CORBA, it works in theory, but in > >>practice, the bonobo-activation mechanism which GNOME uses to register > >>with the at-spi registry is tied to localhost. So the missing link is a > >>remote bonobo-activation; once you have that, the rest should fall into > >>place. > >> > >>So it's a known issue that this doesn't work yet, but making it work, > >>though it will require some new code, should not be a big effort. > >> > >>Here are some technical details: > >> > >>1) applications load an accessibility bridge at startup, and register > >>with the accessibility registry (at-spi-registryd) via > >>bonobo-activation. Due to current limitations in bonobo-activation, > >>this registry is per-user-host, not per-display. > >> > >>2) the 'application instance' which is reported to the registry is > >>network-transparent, i.e. it could be local or remote. Once the > >>registry, or an assistive technology, receives a reference to a remote > >>application, it can communicate with it just as though it were local > >>(though possibly more slowly). > >> > >> > >>- Bill > >>___ > >>gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > > > >___ > >gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > >End of gnome-accessibility-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 > >** > > > > > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: cut and paste in gnome-terminal
Same here.As soon as I enable the mouse emulation gnopernicus keyboard commands are completely useless. I wonder if we want to use both if we have to remap all of Gnopernicus keyboard commands just to use the mouse emulation via the keyboard? - Original Message - From: "Kenny Hitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 9:44 AM Subject: Re: cut and paste in gnome-terminal > Oopse, it looks like I still have alt-f1, but no Gnopernicus keys. > > Kenny > > On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 08:37:36AM -0600, Kenny Hitt wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 12:54:57PM +, Calum Benson wrote: > > > You should be able to use your X server's MouseKeys function to move the > > > mouse pointer using the numeric keypad. You can turn this feature on in > > > the Accessibility->Keyboard control panel. > > > > > > > Hi. Enabling this feature seems to keep Gnopernicus from using the > > keypad. After I enabled this feature, I can't get Gnopernicus to switch > > to layer 0, or any layer for that matter. > > Also, it seems I can no nonter use alt-f1 to open the application menu. > > Alt-f2 for the run dialog still works. > > > > Kenny > > ___ > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: cut and paste in gnome-terminal
Mario Lang Wrote > We will need mouse motion at some point anyway (some windows apps come to mind, where the only way around certain accessibility problems is to go and use > the mouse somehow). I kind of like the approach that JAWS is taking here, you can switch between two cursors, the editing cursor, and the mouse. If you are in mouse mode, your arrow keys move the mouse, and the display (braille or speech) follows. Agreed. The one reason I use Window Eyes in MS Windows is that it has excelant mouse tracking and movement ability from the keyboard. I know that the GAP project would like to avoid mouse usage by creating hot keys to handle most functions. However, there are times that being able to control the mouse pointer via the keyboard is a must. Some advantages to mouse control with feedback is an understanding of the layout of the window or windows on the screen. Being able to move to an area on the screen that is not totally accessible. Copying and pasting text in areas like Gnome Terminal where there is no standard way to do it via the keyboard. Actually, since using Window Eyes, and how they handle the mouse I have gotten quite good at moving around windows using the mouse, pointing, and clicking and I do like it somewhat. In short, by all means Gnopernicus and Gnome need good hot keys to do most things without a mouse. However, Gnopernicus needs good mouse emulation so that those of us who would like to move the mouse pointer around, click, as a sighted person would is also necessary. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Magnifier in GNOME
Hi, I have a couple of suggestions. First, you may wish to try a newer version of Gnome Mag than the one that ships with Fedora Core 3. I know that newer versions support things like full screen magnification which the older versions of Gnome-Mag don't support. Although, I don't use Gnome-Mag and I can not really say how good the latest Gnome-Mag is compared to the one you already have. If I am correct the KDE desktop also has a magnifier program. I can't say how good it may be, but it could be worth a try. HTH. - Original Message - From: "Øyvind Lode" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 4:26 PM Subject: Magnifier in GNOME > Hi all. > > I'm computer and Linux enthusiast. > I decided to test Linux as Desktop OS and installed Fedora Core 3. > > My problem is that I far from normal sighted so I need a magnifier to > operate the desktop environment. > I have been using Linux as server OS for a while now and I access my > boxes through SSH from my windoze box using putty. > In Windoze I have a great litte utility called Magnifier that I use to > enlarge the text and the magnificated area pops up in a magnifier window > that also follows the mouse pointer, text editing and it also follows > the focus when I write this mail in Mozilla Thunderbird. > > The Windows Magnifier that is built into MS Windows XP is also brilliant > to use on a 2 screen solution - I then use the right screen as a large > magnifer and the left screen for internet browsing, mail reading etc. > > Now back to Linux. > I installed linux and as a workstation with GNOME and tried the > magnifier but it was no good at all. > This was a very huge disappointment because I had hoped that GNOME and > Linux could offer a similar magnifer like MS windows that helps me a lot. > > I could not even change the magnification level and I find the magnifier > strange to the one in Windows XP. > But I have heard that the GNOME magnifier is for 2 screen solutions only > and on this pc I don't have 2 monitors... > > Is there other magnifiers that I could try? > If someone of you are familiar with the magnifier in Windows XP and know > of similar magnifiers for Linux I would be very thankful. > > regards > Øyvind > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Gnopernicus on a Live CD?
Hi, While I think everyone can agree adding a Java VM and java access bridge would be a good thing there are licensing issues that would have to be resolved first. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Luke Yelavich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "GNOME Accessibility Devel Mailing List" ; "GNOME Accessibility Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Gnopernicus on a Live CD? > > Hello. I just tried your live Ubuntu CD briefly today on my laptop and I > have a suggestion. I recommend that Java and the Java Access Bridge be > put on the CD. I noticed that Open Office is on the CD, but when I tried > to run the word processor, I noticed that it wasn't accessible. If this > CD came with an accessible version of Open Office with the Java Access > Bridge, blind people who are new to Linux could quickly try out Open > Office with Linux. > > Thanks. > > Ryan > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Luke Yelavich wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 12:43:20PM EST, Luke Yelavich wrote: > >> Ok. You can get the Live CD as a bit orrent: > >> > >> http://www.themuso.com/ubuntu/accessibility > >> > >> The md5sum file, as well as the GPG signature are there. Grab the > >> torrent file and start downloading. :) Please let me know if you have > >> any problems. > > > > If you aren't up with bittorrent, and you really do want to get it, you > > can go to ftp://themuso.homelinux.org/ubuntu/accessibility and download > > it there. However I would strongly encourage the use of BitTorrent so my > > connection doesn't get as flooded, and it shares the load. > > > > And when you have finished downloading, please leave your BitTorrent > > client open for at least a little while to help others. > > > > Luke > > ___ > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: [g-a-devel] Re: Gnopernicus on a Live CD?
Hi - Original Message - From: Bill Haneman To: Thomas Ward Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Luke Yelavich ; GNOME Accessibility Devel Mailing List ; GNOME Accessibility Mailing List Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [g-a-devel] Re: Gnopernicus on a Live CD? Hi Thomas, Luke:The licensing issue is a real shame, but I don't know of an easy fix either, especially for the 'Live CD' However, for the regular Ubuntu distribution I do think that it would be worthwhile to include the java-access-bridge, and build OpenOffice.org to include the accessibility support. I've been working on a similar arrangement for Fedora users, and I can certainly make new rpms of OpenOffice.org and the java access bridge for rpm based Linux distros. Which as you might agree it is probably time that rpms for this stuff becomes easy to obtain and install without compiling this from source. The java-access-bridge code and the OO.o accessibility code is LGPL, so the licensing issue would then be reduced to that of a 'soft' dependency on a non-free JVM - Which is one reason Mandrake, Fedora, and other distributions probably don't include the access bridge with their stock distributions. While the bridge is free the vm is not so they choose not to include it. However, at some point interested parties can easily make spin off distrobutions including this stuff as said. It sounds like a fair solution to include the bridge, accessible OpenOffice.org, on our accessible distros and then leave it to the user to get whatever can not legally be included via license issues. there would be no non-free code bundled. Ubuntu users would then be able, at their sole discretion, to independently download and use the Sun JVM in order to complete their OpenOffice accessibility solution. Well, there are also other alternatives. Such as I know that Mandrake does not include the java runtime and sdk with their free or standard releases. However, the Delux version has several goodies like java included. Obviously, there are ways to license the runtime for redistrobution and then sell it with a comercial version of Linux. If someone was willing to maintain a comercial Linux, "A Delux version," then I imagine a users could order a cd or dvd set and have everything included. Although, I suppose this is outside of most average Linux users. If I had the time I wouldn't mind putting my programming skills to use putting out my own distro. In the absence of a free alternative, I think this would be a defensible approach, and if other agree, it may be worth lobbying for it with Debian and/or Ubuntu. Since I work for Sun and wrote much of the java-access-bridge for Gnome, perhaps a less-interested party should do the lobbying . Agreed. It would be nice to get as many Linux distros onboard, but it would also be nice to see the bridge ship with Solaris. I recently got to see a Sun desktop running Solaris with Gnome 2.6 and I rather liked the OS. The great thing here that we are building with Gnome and gnopernicus is global accessibility across many Unix and Unix-like operating systems with a common user interface. Only a couple of years ago I only had accessibility to Windows via Jaws and some access to Linux with speakup. Now, thanks to gnopernicus I have used FreeBSD, Solaris, and Linux all with the same screen reader, desktop, and apps. regardsBillThomas Ward wrote:>Hi,>While I think everyone can agree adding a Java VM and java access bridge>would be a good thing there are licensing issues that would have to be>resolved first.>> >-- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Web browsing using speech software
Hi, I have found the Sun Mozilla ccessibility builds quite accessible over the last couple of months. Yes, the standard Mozilla you get with Linux is not very good at all. However, I've been able to do almost all my browsing with the November and December builds of Mozilla. With the latest two builds it has been accessible enough that I have seen no need to use lynx, links, or other any text browsers. Hth. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Solaris 10 released, with accessibility built-in! Also FreeTTS1.2 released.
Hi Ken, It has been a couple of years since I have installed Solaris, but back when I did it it was possible to install via a serial connection. I linked to systems together via the serial ports, and opened terraterm Pro on one to read the install with Window Eyes or Jaws. I can't remember clearly how I did it, but as I recall I had to unplug the keyboard on the solaris system to route the install out of ttyS0. Anyway, if more info is required I can check around with a few others I know that use Solaris at work. Perhaps Peter, bill, or one of those guys has a better idea on how to do the install via serial. It has been so long I have forgotten. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 2/25/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Solaris 10 released, with accessibility built-in! Also FreeTTS1.2 released.
Hi Ken, I am afraid most of the operating systems fall in this catagory. FreeBSD is also now accessible via gnopernicus, but requires a serial install, configuration of sound card, etc before it can be even used. Solaris as far as I know doesn't have an accessible install either, but I know from older versions it was possible to do serial terminal installs. - Original Message - From: "Ken Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alex Snow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Solaris 10 released, with accessibility built-in! Also FreeTTS1.2 released. > > > Hmm I would hope that an Accessible solution would also have an > accessible install. Not everyone has two systems to use to install > their OS. In fact I had hoped to install this at a computer club > meeting here at the CNIB. > > Ken > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Alex Snow wrote: > > > Your best bet is probably installing it over a serial console. I'm not > > sure how you do this with solarus but It should be possible. > > On Tue, Mar > > 01, 2005 at 03:58:47PM -0800, Ken Perry wrote: > > > > > > > > > One question I did down load solaris 10 and am going to try it out as > > > soon as I get a free drive which should be rather soon. I don't see an > > > accessible install doc anywhere. does solaris install talk? If so is > > > there some place I can go to read how it works? > > > > > > KenOn Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Peter > > > Korn wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Kenny, Ken, > > > > > > > > Solaris 10 is a shipping UNIX that is based on GNOME 2.6.x with > > > > accessibility components from GNOME 2.8.x, our 1.7 branch of accessible > > > > Mozilla, and lots of other goodies (details in my blog). But I don't mean > > > > to claim it is "the best access to the GNOME desktop" - if I implied that > > > > anywhere, it wasn't my intention. It is, to my knowledge, the only > > > > commercially shipping accessible GNOME desktop, which is a different > > > > statement. > > > > > > > > As Bill Haneman noted, Solaris 10 is (of necessity) behind GNOME HEAD, which > > > > has yet still more bug fixes, improvements, etc. beyond what is in Solaris > > > > 10. > > > > > > > > Ken - I'm delighted to hear about what will be going into Fedora Core 4. > > > > The more (accessible UNIX or GNU/Linux systems) the merrier! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Peter Korn > > > > Sun Accessibility team > > > > > > > > Kenny Hitt wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi. I already run Debian unstable with some packages built from source. > > > > > > > > > > At the risk of starting a flame war, I like Debian over Redhat/Fedora. > > > > > > > > > > My interest in Solaris was because of a message on the blinux list from > > > > > Peter Korn stating the best access to the Gnome desktop was with the > > > > > latest release of Solaris. I would like to try it to see how close my > > > > > access to Gnome in Linux compares with the access to Gnome in Solaris. > > > > > > > > > > Kenny > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 09:34:27AM -0800, Ken Perry wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I downloaed it with Widnows XP but know this it is not the best > > > > > > accessiblity in fact Core 4 will ahve the same stuff Solaris 10 has > > > > > > thats Fedora Core 4 in fact if you can upgrade to the beta core 4 in > > > > > > march it will have everything this release of Solaris had. > > > > > > > > > > > > KenOn Tue, 1 Mar > > > > > > 2005, Kenny > > > > > > Hitt wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi. I'm just wondering if any one has managed to download this using a > > > > > > > Linux system? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't seem to regester with elinks 0.10.2 or lynx 2.8.5. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parts of the site are accessible with Mozilla, but I keep running into > > > > > > > garbage text for some parts of the page. If I compare results from > > > > > > > elinks and lynx to what I get with Mozilla, maybe I can eventually > > > > > > > figure things out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the release info suggests Solaris will provide the best > > > > > > > accessibility to Gnome, I would like to try it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > Kenny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS I understand I will have use either a serial console or a ssh > > > > > > > session to do the install, but that is acceptable as long as I can get > > > > > > > it up and running. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > __
Re: Installing accessible version of Sun Mozilla 1.7?
Hi Al, To be honest I found it was better to simply cgrab the source and compile it by hand then install it. If you already have gnome development installed then you should be set to compile it yourself. 1. I removed the Fedora Mozilla rpms. 2. Downloaded the Sun Mozilla source from: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/accessibility/sun-mozilla-1.7/ 01-31-2005/src/ 3. Extracted the tarball. 4. Did a cd in to the mmozilla-1.7 directory and ran configure. Configur using the following settings prefix /usr toolkit gtk2 accessibility enabled 5. Mrun make to build. 6. If it was compiled correctly, I did make install and everything was set to go. if you have any problems figuring out the configure options do a: ./configure --help That will show you all the options. However, the ones you need to worry about is prefix accessibility and the default toolkit. - Original Message - From: "Al Puzzuoli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gnome Accessibility List" Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:08 PM Subject: Installing accessible version of Sun Mozilla 1.7? > Hello, > > I am attempting to get this up and running but have a few newbie questions: > > 1. Is there a FAQ or mozilla accessibility documentation available and if > so, could someone please provide any relevant URLs? > 2. I am a bit unclear as to the proper installation procedure. I noticed > that the readme suggests having a clean Mozilla directory before installing > this version. So to that end, I thought I would uninstall the version that > was set up when I installed Fedora. I used the following command: > > rpm --erase --allmatches --nodeps mozilla > I next attempted to install the updated version with ./mozilla-installer-bin > I expected an installation wizard but got no output and was immediately > returned to the bash prompt. > > So now what I seem to have is a functional version of Mozilla, which I can > run from the temp directory where I extracted it, but in this state, I'm > assuming anything that depended on the old version of mozilla doesn't know > about the new one so hence would still be broken? > > Any assistance would be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > > --Al > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 2/25/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 2/25/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: latest procedures for setting up gnopernicus
I might add to this thread that Fedora Core 3 has a program like apt-get called yum. Yum can be used in Fedora to update gnopernicus and other gnome rpms with dependancies. - Original Message - From: "Kenny Hitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 9:31 AM Subject: Re: latest procedures for setting up gnopernicus > Hi. I'm not aware of any recent docs on installing Gnopernicus. > > Since Gnopernicus is part of Gnome, you probably don't need any special > documentation any more. > > If your distro has a meta package for Gnome, just installing it should > pull in all the dependencies for Gnopernicus. > > Here is How I get Gnopernicus running on a new install of Debian as an > example. > I first install X-windows and make sure it is configured corectly. > Then, I just install the "gnome" package in Debian. > > apt-get install gnome > > I believe Gentoo also has a meta packae for Gnome if you run Gentoo. I > can't say about other distros. > > Once Gnopernicus is installed, you need to remember that you will get a > dialog asking you to enable accessibility the firs time you run it as a > new user. Just tell it to enable accessibility and then log out and > back in. At this point, you will have to start Gnopernicus manually > when you log back in, but it should read everything. > > If you go to applications desktop accessibility and choose enable screen > reader in the assistive technology dialog, Gnopernicus will start every > time you log in. > > Hope this helps. > Kenny > > On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 01:21:55AM -0600, Cheryl Homiak wrote: > > > > Hi all. > > I am once again going to attempt to set up gnopernicus. can anybody tell > > me if there's a link to follow to find the most recent procedures for > > setting up gnopernicus. I will primarily be using braille with brltty, > > although I may also include speech. > > Thanks. > > > > > > -- > > Cheryl > > > > "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." > > > > ___ > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: latest procedures for setting up gnopernicus
Hi Cheryl, If you plan to use Openoffice.org from the Openoffice web site you will need it. As a general rule of thumb I would recommend the access bridge, but it isn't necessary if you don't plan to use java based applications. - Original Message - From: "Cheryl Homiak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 1:30 PM Subject: Re: latest procedures for setting up gnopernicus > Also, do I need to get the Java access bridge stuff? > > > -- > Cheryl > > "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: latest procedures for setting up gnopernicus
Hi Cheryl, The dialog box that turns accessibility on is accessible for the most part. Once and a while I do have problems finding the button to logout to except the change, but other wise it works. It isn't really all that difficult these days to get a working gnopernicus. 1. Install a stable Gnome 2.8 set of packages for your distro with gnopernicus packages. 2. Start x and use alt+f2 to get the run dialog. 3. Type gnopernicus followed by enter. 4. Assuming there are no critical errors gnopernicus will start talking using festival, and a dialog will appear prompting you to activate accessibility. 5. Answer the questions on the dialog, logout of Gnome, and back in. 6. Repeat steps 2 and 3. That is all there is to it. If you want a stable branch of gnopernicus and gnome. Otherwise if you want newer stuff you will have to grab them from gnome.org and compile the updated packages. - Original Message - From: "Cheryl Homiak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: Re: latest procedures for setting up gnopernicus > Ok kenny, but if accessibility isn't enabled yet, am I even going to be > able to read the dialog box. Can I still use gconftool-2 to do that > beforehand. and don't I need to set up for brltty beforehand with > gconftool also? > Thanks. > > > -- > Cheryl > > "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: latest procedures for setting up gnopernicus
Hi John, I must admit you got me on that one. I'm not a braille display user, and am not quite sure of the logistics of getting braille setup in gnopernicus. Hth. - Original Message - From: "John J. Boyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Cheryl Homiak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 3:31 PM Subject: Re: latest procedures for setting up gnopernicus > That sounds easy for people who use speech, but what about those of us > who are deaf as well as blind and must use braille? Is it still that > easy? > > John > > On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 02:11:56PM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote: > > Hi Cheryl, > > The dialog box that turns accessibility on is accessible for the most part. > > Once and a while I do have problems finding the button to logout to except > > the change, but other wise it works. > > It isn't really all that difficult these days to get a working gnopernicus. > > > > 1. Install a stable Gnome 2.8 set of packages for your distro with > > gnopernicus packages. > > 2. Start x and use alt+f2 to get the run dialog. > > 3. Type gnopernicus followed by enter. > > 4. Assuming there are no critical errors gnopernicus will start talking > > using festival, and a dialog will appear prompting you to activate > > accessibility. > > 5. Answer the questions on the dialog, logout of Gnome, and back in. > > 6. Repeat steps 2 and 3. > > > > That is all there is to it. If you want a stable branch of gnopernicus and > > gnome. Otherwise if you want newer stuff you will have to grab them from > > gnome.org and compile the updated packages. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Cheryl Homiak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 12:49 PM > > Subject: Re: latest procedures for setting up gnopernicus > > > > > > > Ok kenny, but if accessibility isn't enabled yet, am I even going to be > > > able to read the dialog box. Can I still use gconftool-2 to do that > > > beforehand. and don't I need to set up for brltty beforehand with > > > gconftool also? > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Cheryl > > > > > > "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." > > > > > > ___ > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 > > > > ___ > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > -- > John J. boyer; Executive Director, Chief Software Developer > Computers to Help People, Inc. > www.chpi.org > 6033 Monona Drive, suite 205; Madison, WI 53716 > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Is this feature available in Gnopernicus?
Hi, Gedit has been quite accessible for several versions on the gnome desktop. However, I have found in the Gnome 2.6 and later desktop versions gedit is quite accessible. I use it for much of my text editing in Linux. - Original Message - From: "Aditya Pandey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:51 AM Subject: Is this feature available in Gnopernicus? > Lets take gedit as the example. Can gnopernicus read out the text > written in a file opened in gedit (assuming gedit is a standard gtk+ > application and that we need more than reading out menu names etc.)? > Or would application have to integrate with gnome-speech? > > I have gone through the introduction to Gnopernicus.mp3 and am trying > to install/compile/configure gnopernicus for my old Red Hat Linux 9 > (there are no rpms available etc.) > > I need to provide/figure out availability of read-out feature for > 'text' present in my application, not just what is the name of the > menu etc, that I believe would be pointed to out by gnopernicus. > > Please help/guide as this question affects the basic design/way forward for me. > > -- > Aditya Kumar Pandey > > Contact: 9868263500; 011-25165432 > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: gnopernicus screen review
You wrote: This is especially frustrating with mozilla. I have installed the sun-mozilla-1.7 build with its accessibility features and so far it looks nice, but I can only get to the links and I know there is more on the screen to review. Have you enabled carot browsing mode in Mozilla? If you press f7 and enable carot browsing Gnopernicus can move freely through the forms, tables, and text content on web pages and not just the links. I am currently running Sun Mozilla 1.7-b34 and it works quite well with gnopernicus 0.9.17 running on a Gnome 2.8.3 desktop. smile. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.3 - Release Date: 5/31/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: gnopernicus screen review
You wrote: Are there any other mozilla tricks? Yes, there are quite a few hot keys in mozilla that aid you in reading the web pages and navigating around in Mozilla. One of my personal favorites is f6 and shift+f6 for quickly switching between frames on a web page. You can get a crash course by reading Peter Korn's Mozilla keyboard spec at: http://www.mozilla.org/access/keyboard/proposal Hth. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.3 - Release Date: 5/31/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Problem with evolution addressbook.
Hi list, I have been setting up evolution, but am having a problem with the address book feature. After I created the addressbook I have found I can not get in to it to send emails. I can tell I need to click on to in the new message to open the addressbook, but I can not get gnopernicus to get to the to button unless I move the mouse to it and left click. I can't get gnopernicus to even speak to unless the mouse is pointing right at it. I am using a stock Gnome 2.8.3 desktop shipping with Mandriva LE 2005. Any suggestions short of upgrading to Gnome 2.10 and hoping for the best? Thanks. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.1 - Release Date: 6/3/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Latest gnopernicus for 2.8.3?
Hi list, I am interested in upgrading my copy of gnopernicus from the stock gnopernicus shipping with Gnome 2.8.3 to a newer release. However, I would like to know what is the latest stable release that is backward compatible with Gnome 2.8.3. Thanks. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.1 - Release Date: 6/3/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Opencalc 1.1.4?
Hi, I have been attempting to convert my MS Excel spreadsheets to Opencalc 1.1.4, but I have found something has seriously broken either with gnopernicus or open calc with the latest releases. In Opencalc 1.1.2 or so I could arrow around the spreadsheet and hear gnopernicus say a1, b1, c1, etc.Since upgrading everything to Mandriva and Gnome 2.8.3, and Opencalc 1.1.4 all I get when arrowing around the cells is label, label, label, no matter what the cell name is or what is in the cell. Anyway, is there any suggestions or help? Urgently, hoping to be able to resolve this. Smile. Thanks. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.1 - Release Date: 6/3/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
KDE 3.4 accessibility status?
Hi list, I realise this is not specifically Gnome related, but since the Gnome access and KDE access teams are working somewhat together I am interested in what accessibility is like on the new KDE 3.4 desktop. It is my understanding there are some very nice accessibility features coming our way from KDE 3.4. I am asking because Mandriva Club members just were notified Mandriva is making KDE 3.4 packages for Mandriva 2005 users, and wonder if the upgrade from KDE 3.3 to KDE 3.4 is worth it from an accessibility standpoint. Thanks. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.1 - Release Date: 6/3/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: can't get multimedia working with any browser
Hi Jude, I can tell you that your problem is not unique, and it doesn't seam to be memory related. I have ran Fedora and Mandriva with systems of 512 MB or greater and Gnopernicus 0.9.12 and greater seam to high dive for no reason at all. An example I was opening evolution like I did several times that day, and suddenly gnopernicus bit the dust. No speech, no responce, and wouldn't even exit properly. I crashed out of x, logged back in, and gnopernicus says it can't load festival. I ended up rebooting the machine. Which I do about four times a day on average do to gnopernicus high diving and not coming back for one reason or another. To bad I can't use mozilla, Open Office, and other gui apps at the shell as I would happily stay there with speakup or something than put up gnopernicus crashing about 5 times aday. Anyway, I wouldn't recommend using Firefox as it simply doesn't work with gnopernicus. I am currently adding multimedia for Mandriva, and I am hoping to plug it in to Sun Mozilla. I'll be sure to let you know if I get something reasonable working in x. Hth. - Original Message - From: "Jude DaShiell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 11:56 PM Subject: can't get multimedia working with any browser > Having downloaded and installed mailcap-stuff.tar.gz I first tried > listening to a realplayer stream using lynx. No go, display wasn't set. > Okay no problem I figure I can go into xwindows and use gnopernicus and > maybe firefox or epiphany. Maybe one of those browsers will work but > hitting the f7 key to try to get some screen output seems on this system > to actually be the crash gnopernicus immediately key. I could understand > the desire of gnopernicus to do a high dive if all that was on this system > was 128MB of ram which was the case earlier this week. However there's > now 416MB of ram available in lower memory and this is happening. This is > a fedora core 3 installation that has been modified for multimedia via the > extra yum repositories. The network was opened with ifup ppp0 before > startx ever ran. So what prerequisite configuration of gnome did I most > likely neglect? > > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.1 - Release Date: 6/3/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.1 - Release Date: 6/3/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: can't get multimedia working with any browser
Hi Peter, I would be happy to try the cvs release. However, is the version in cvs still compatible with Gnome 2.8? Alot of us out here are running Fedora 3 or Mandriva latest, and 2.10 is still on the way. I would hate to have to do a major upgrade/compile of gnome since i find 2.8 reasonable with accessibility, but the gnopernicus constant speech issues makes me want to resolve that problem asap. Thanks. - Original Message - From: "Peter Korn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: Re: can't get multimedia working with any browser > Hi Thomas, Jude, > > We've found a number of problems with speech on our systems (FreeTTS), and > with the general speech subsystem going away for various reasons (not all > tracked down). To best address this, the very latest versions of Gnopernicus > in CVS (as of the last ~3 weeks and most recently a fix late last week) now > aggressively restart speech if it ever dies. > > Perhaps this is at least some of the problems you are encountering? If so, > you might try the latest code... > > > Regards, > > Peter Korn > Sun Accessibility team > > > Thomas Ward wrote: > > Hi Jude, > > I can tell you that your problem is not unique, and it doesn't seam to be > > memory related. I have ran Fedora and Mandriva with systems of 512 MB or > > greater and Gnopernicus 0.9.12 and greater seam to high dive for no reason > > at all. > > An example I was opening evolution like I did several times that day, and > > suddenly gnopernicus bit the dust. No speech, no responce, and wouldn't even > > exit properly. I crashed out of x, logged back in, and gnopernicus says it > > can't load festival. > > I ended up rebooting the machine. Which I do about four times a day on > > average do to gnopernicus high diving and not coming back for one reason or > > another. > > To bad I can't use mozilla, Open Office, and other gui apps at the shell as > > I would happily stay there with speakup or something than put up gnopernicus > > crashing about 5 times aday. > > Anyway, I wouldn't recommend using Firefox as it simply doesn't work with > > gnopernicus. I am currently adding multimedia for Mandriva, and I am hoping > > to plug it in to Sun Mozilla. I'll be sure to let you know if I get > > something reasonable working in x. > > Hth. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jude DaShiell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 11:56 PM > > Subject: can't get multimedia working with any browser > > > > > > > >>Having downloaded and installed mailcap-stuff.tar.gz I first tried > >>listening to a realplayer stream using lynx. No go, display wasn't set. > >>Okay no problem I figure I can go into xwindows and use gnopernicus and > >>maybe firefox or epiphany. Maybe one of those browsers will work but > >>hitting the f7 key to try to get some screen output seems on this system > >>to actually be the crash gnopernicus immediately key. I could understand > >>the desire of gnopernicus to do a high dive if all that was on this system > >>was 128MB of ram which was the case earlier this week. However there's > >>now 416MB of ram available in lower memory and this is happening. This is > >>a fedora core 3 installation that has been modified for multimedia via the > >>extra yum repositories. The network was opened with ifup ppp0 before > >>startx ever ran. So what prerequisite configuration of gnome did I most > >>likely neglect? > >> > >> > >>___ > >>gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > >>gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > >>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > >> > >> > >>-- > >>No virus found in this incoming message. > >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >>Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.1 - Release Date: 6/3/2005 > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.2 - Release Date: 6/4/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.2 - Release Date: 6/4/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: gnome-speech and the fonix dectalk synthesizer
Hi Don, I know from experience Fedora puts all it's gnome stuf in /usr by default. It is generally a good idea to do: ./configure --prefix=/usr to make sure the files go where they are suppose to go. However, the exception to that rule is if you are using something like garnome or another development release of gnome. - Original Message - From: "Donald Raikes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Willie Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:45 PM Subject: RE: gnome-speech and the fonix dectalk synthesizer Willie, I am using fedora core 3 (speakup version) kernel 2.6.11-1.14_spk_smp. I used the command configure to configure gnome-speech, and did a make then make install. Do I need to pass some specific parameters to the configure? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Willie Walker Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 5:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-speech and the fonix dectalk synthesizer Hi Don: What was the command you used to build gnome-speech? In addition, did you do a "make install"? Finally, what OS distribution are you using? Will On Jun 3, 2005, at 8:16 PM, Donald Raikes wrote: > Hello, > > I have the fonix dectalk speech synthesizer version 5.0, and have > tried recompiling gnome-speech 0.3.6 to allow meto use the dectalk > voices. > > When I view the make log, I see that the dectalk synthesizer is > built, but when I run test-speech, the dectalk is not listed. > > I have tested the dectalk using the say application and it is > functional. > > Any suggestions? > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.2 - Release Date: 6/4/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.2 - Release Date: 6/4/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: can't get multimedia working with any browser
Hi, Well, I really honestly am not sure soap would work with using GUI based apps with Speakup as speakup only knows how to handle text based apps. The easiest solution would be fore the Gnome and KDE access to improve and become stable. - Original Message - From: "Jude DaShiell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 8:42 PM Subject: Re: can't get multimedia working with any browser > Actually, soap and use of web services might be able to make that > possible. They're used to pass information between incompatible > platforms. It should be development with those products like wsdl and > soap that make openoffice.org and netscape work eventually just using > speakup. I've been researching web services for my employer. > capeclear.com is a good site to go to to start on that path. They're the > ones who did googlemail where you send a query to an email address and get > back responses from google. The incompatibility is email format and html > that gets addressed in that case. > > > > On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Thomas Ward wrote: > > > Hi Jude, > > I can tell you that your problem is not unique, and it doesn't seam to be > > memory related. I have ran Fedora and Mandriva with systems of 512 MB or > > greater and Gnopernicus 0.9.12 and greater seam to high dive for no reason > > at all. > > An example I was opening evolution like I did several times that day, and > > suddenly gnopernicus bit the dust. No speech, no responce, and wouldn't even > > exit properly. I crashed out of x, logged back in, and gnopernicus says it > > can't load festival. > > I ended up rebooting the machine. Which I do about four times a day on > > average do to gnopernicus high diving and not coming back for one reason or > > another. > > To bad I can't use mozilla, Open Office, and other gui apps at the shell as > > I would happily stay there with speakup or something than put up gnopernicus > > crashing about 5 times aday. > > Anyway, I wouldn't recommend using Firefox as it simply doesn't work with > > gnopernicus. I am currently adding multimedia for Mandriva, and I am hoping > > to plug it in to Sun Mozilla. I'll be sure to let you know if I get > > something reasonable working in x. > > Hth. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jude DaShiell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 11:56 PM > > Subject: can't get multimedia working with any browser > > > > > >> Having downloaded and installed mailcap-stuff.tar.gz I first tried > >> listening to a realplayer stream using lynx. No go, display wasn't set. > >> Okay no problem I figure I can go into xwindows and use gnopernicus and > >> maybe firefox or epiphany. Maybe one of those browsers will work but > >> hitting the f7 key to try to get some screen output seems on this system > >> to actually be the crash gnopernicus immediately key. I could understand > >> the desire of gnopernicus to do a high dive if all that was on this system > >> was 128MB of ram which was the case earlier this week. However there's > >> now 416MB of ram available in lower memory and this is happening. This is > >> a fedora core 3 installation that has been modified for multimedia via the > >> extra yum repositories. The network was opened with ifup ppp0 before > >> startx ever ran. So what prerequisite configuration of gnome did I most > >> likely neglect? > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > >> gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.1 - Release Date: 6/3/2005 > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.1 - Release Date: 6/3/2005 > > > > ___ > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.7 - Release Date: 6/10/2005 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.7 - Release Date: 6/10/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: what packages do I need to get to install mazilla on fc4?
Hello Hank, If you have Mozilla or Mozilla FireFox installed all the dependancies you need are already there. I don't have an exact list of them memorised, but it uses alot of standard Gnome libs, and other common packages. You can get the Fedora build of Mozilla from: http://stage.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/accessibility/sun-mozilla-1 .7/04-26-2005 I am currently making Mandrake 10.2 packages, but that project has been haulted do to some personal family issues and work. So don't know when I will get to those. - Original Message - From: "hank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:37 PM Subject: what packages do I need to get to install mazilla on fc4? hello what packages do I need to get to install mazilla on fc4 that works with gnopernicus? also can I get the urls for those packages? thanks hank > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: gnopernicus on fc4?
Hi, On a number of ocations I have started Gnopernicus, and the speech checkbox under startup mode was unchecked. Once I got someone to check it gnopernicus started chatting away. I am not sure if the issue is unique to Mandrake 10.2, or to all Linux distros running Gnome 2.8.x. However, that is a place you might start looking. Smile. - Original Message - From: "hank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 1:18 PM Subject: Fw: gnopernicus on fc4? hello I am running fc4 on a dule boot system when I do a startx gnopernicus loads no error messages comes up it just don't speak I do have sound working cause I had a sighted person play a wav file so sound is up has any one ran in to this? thanks hank > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: gnopernicus on fc4?
Hello, - Original Message - From: "hank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:52 AM Subject: Re: gnopernicus on fc4? > where do I check this to see if it is at? > You have to open the gnopernicus main Window and activate the startup mode button. In there is some check boxes for speech, magnifier, braille support, etc. That is where you will turn on and off speech. You also may want to see if gnome-speech is working properly with festival. Run test-speech from the commandline, and test the speech servers found. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.11/26 - Release Date: 6/22/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: now trying sun-mozilla 04/26/2005 version
Hello Jude, Yes, Mozilla is much more responsive than Internet Explorer as far as loading pages, and switching between carot browsing and non-carot browsing modes. Better yet many of the hot keys are similar, and Mozilla is a very easy browser to use. Happy browsing. - Original Message - From: "Jude DaShiell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: now trying sun-mozilla 04/26/2005 version > I've got it partly installed but have to integrate it into the desktop. > In any event; I started it up and very shortly was out browsing the sun > site! Internet explorer doesn't move that fast so far as I can tell or > run that well either. I had already checked the sun page out with > internet explorer and so far as I could tell, all of the page spoke > correctly. So now I have some housekeeping to do on this end and some > other things to try out after that. I think I'll go for a gnoperncus > update before trying java though since distributed version I'm using > doesn't do tree views. > > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 6/23/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 6/23/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: SUSE 9.3 professional and Gnopernicus
Hi, See answers below. - Original Message - From: "Darragh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:07 AM Subject: SUSE 9.3 professional and Gnopernicus > i've just been offered a job that requires that I use Suse 9.3 on a daily > basis. I'll have to be able to install configure and use it independantly > with either speech or Braille support. If you can get your employer to go for it I strongly recommend upgrading from Suse 9.3 to Suse 10. Suse 10 has Gnome 2.10, Gnopernicus 0.10, Open Office 2, and is far more accessible than 9.3. Although, 9.3 can be used. Does Gnopernicus come installed with > Suse 9.3? Yes, Suse comes with Gnopernicus. Although, Suse 9.3 comes with a slightly older version of gnopernicus which you may wish to update. Do the brail drivers installed with it support the PacMate 40 cell > display? No, you will probably have to compile brltty support in to gnopernicus to probably get that kind of braille display support. Finally, is it possible to install Suse independantly with either > speech or Braille? > I do remember there was a way to use brltty to install Suse by yourself without sighted assistance. So I do think it is possible to install Suse with braille. > > I'm starting this job on the 1st of August and I'm hoping praying wishing > and everything else possible that accessibility won't get in my way. > Well, having an idea of what you need will help us gear our answers to help you as est we can. In general if the application is written with GTK2, Java Swing, it is largely accessible. Some KDE 3.4 apps are also becoming accessible. Also most text based shell apps are accessible using brltty, yasr, speakup, etc so in general Suse is accessible but there are several apps that still aren't accessible as well. > Thanks > > > Darragh > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9/39 - Release Date: 04/07/2005 > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.7/34 - Release Date: 6/29/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.7/34 - Release Date: 6/29/2005 ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Gnopernicus and FC2
On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 11:04 +1000, Jan and Bertil Smark Nilsson wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm running Fedora core 2 with Gnome 2.6. I'm trying to install > Gnopernicus 0.11:1. > However, it would appear that I'll have to upgrade Gnome for that to be > successful. Is it possible to run Gnome 2.10 using Fedora core 2? If so, > what is the easiest way to upgrade Gnome? Your best bet might be to use yum to get the latest gnome rpms and gnopernicus packages. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: YaST
On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 17:28 +0100, Darragh wrote: > Hello again, > I'm trying to use Yast with the help of gnopernicus but its not reading > anything. I'm more than likely going to need to have access to this on a > daily basis so not having access to it is really not an option. Well, i hate to be the giver of bad news, but yast is not gtk2 based. That is why it is not reading with gnopernicus. Unless yast uses an accessible graphical toolkit like gtk2 or java swing it isn't going to work with gnopernicus. i've got the same issue with the Mandriva drakx installer, because it is written in perl-tk. Your only chance for this is using the commandline stuff for yast. the graphical is not likely to work with speech. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: YaST
On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 17:37 +0100, Bill Haneman wrote: > HI Darragh > > I'm afraid that YaST (the graphical version, at least) is not > accessible, because of the way it is constructed and implemented. The > YaST graphical toolkit does not talk to the gnome accessibility > infrastructure, and I don't believe that it can be made to do so without > considerable re-engineering. Yes, this is the case. I'm not sure what yast uses, but it is probably like the Mandriva drakx setup tool using perl with a tk front end for graphical work. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: YaST
> Yast uses Qt, so by porting it to Qt4 it should be easily possible to make it > accessible. Ok, that is interesting. I've heard good things about the new QT, but haven't had a way to try it.Anyone, know where I can get KDE 3.4 and try QT 4? ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Java-Access-Bridge and Location of Bonobo Libraries
Hi, On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 09:27 +0100, Darragh wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to install the Java Access Bridge on this Suse 9.3 box but during > .make it says that the library for bonobo is saved in a non standard location > or something like that. Has any one else installed the java access bridge in > Suse 9.3? If so what do I need to pass to this .make command to get it to > install correctly? > You have to make sure you have all the gnome development packages, and usually Suse puts their libs in /usr. So the configure would be like: ./configure --prefix=/usr > Finally, what do I have to do to Open Office to get it to use the access > bridge? You need to grab the openoffice build from openoffice.org and don't use the one that ships with Suse. Once you do, and if the access bridge is installed correctly you are set. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: missing librarys,
Hi, Snip > > Hello all, > > I am a new linux / gnopernicus user. I have tried to install gnopernicus on > > my mendrake official 10.1, but, when i do rpm -i > > gnopernicus-0.10.9-3mdk.i586.rpm, > > a message indicate that the folowing librarys are missing : > > * libgnome-mag.sos.2 > > * libgnomespeech.so.7 > > * libhowl.so.0 I am using Mandrake 10.2 beta, and I should be able to help you with this. Can you give me a list of gnopernicus packages you have? This took me quite a while to figure out myself, but I did eventually solve the dependencies. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: gnopernicus on debian running 2.6.8?
Hello Hank, On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 21:25 -0700, hank smith wrote: > hello I just installed debian on my laptop dule boot with windows xp Well, I am not specifically a Debian user, but most of this is about the same across all Linux distros. > I got gnome installed xwindows and gnopernicus but it don't speak > has any one else ran in to this? First, I'd like to know if you ran the test-speech utility that ships with gnome-speech. This will see if gnome-speech is properly making contact with festival. If so the issue is gnopernicus and not the driver. If not the issue is with the driver. In one case I do remember installing gnopernicus and speech was turned off in gnopernicus by default. Which required me to go in and check the speech support checkbox. > how did you resolve it? Well, it really can depend on what the problem is. Do you have the latest festival packages installed. Does test-speech work? Are you getting any error messages when gnopernicus starts? All of those things would help me diagnose the problem. So try that first, and then tell us what you get. > II am finding gnopernicus thus far a pain in the ars to get running > have tried it with fc4 and debian with no luck. Fortunately, knock on wood, I haven't had that problem. I've just dropped in the rpms, and was off except in the one case where g gnopernicus kept unchecking the speech checkbox. Check that option out under the startup button on gnopernicus. > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: gnopernicus on debian running 2.6.8?
Hi Hank, On Sun, 2005-07-24 at 21:39 -0700, hank smith wrote: > the test speech works fine. Well, that is a good start. that means that the driver is able to connect to festival. > getting something about invalid peramaters sorry for the misss spelling Which program gave the error about invalid parameters. Gnome-speech test-speech or gnopernicus? > I had a sighted person help me with gnopernicus and he is not here to get me > the exact error message Ok, well, when you do get it that should help nail down your problem. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Installing the java-access-bridge on Suse 9.3
Hello Dara, If you can send me a copy of your config log I can probably track down the areas where your java access bridge is blowing up. Thanks. On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 12:48 +0100, Darragh wrote: > Hello, > I'm trying to install the java-access bridge on Suse 9.3 but it keeps > looking for libraries that I know are installed. I've pointed to so > many libraries at this stage that I know there's something wrong. > > Can any one shed any light on why this would be happening. > > > Thanks > > Darragh > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Installing the java-access-bridge on Suse 9.3
Hi, Dara should also try the gnome-accessibility mail archives. Last year I sent out a post that gave a step by step install of the access bridge. The version numbers on the packages are different, but the basic outline is the same. at 13:20 +0100, Bill Haneman wrote: > There is some helpful info on installing java-access-bridge at this uri > (warning - the document is quite long, search for java-access-bridge) > > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/downloads/stable/blfs-book-6.0-nochunks.html > > There also seems to be info on other accessibility packages. I have not > personally tested these directions but they do seem to call attention to > 'configure' parameters and other things that might not be obvious. > > regards > > Bill > > Darragh wrote: > > > Hello, > > I'm trying to install the java-access bridge on Suse 9.3 but it keeps > > looking for libraries that I know are installed. I've pointed to so > > many libraries at this stage that I know there's something wrong. > > > > Can any one shed any light on why this would be happening. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Darragh > > > > > > > > > >___ > >gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > >gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Esd conflicts with gnome-speech?
Hi, On Fri, 2005-08-05 at 14:57 +0530, Aditya Pandey wrote: > I have been observing that when esd (enlightened sound daemon) > conflicts with gnome-speech on my Red Hat Linux 9. > Does it happen at all versions of linux or is it that I am using a > back dated version (0.3.0 of gnome-speech). Yes, sound events on many systems will effect gnome-speech. However, if your soundcard has multiplexing and it is supported by RH you should be ok. Now, i do know Mandriva 2005 and later supports fotware multiplexing which helps some, but isn't a full solution to this issue. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Gnopernicus and gnome programs
Hi bill, I just tried passing the export gtk_modules variable to gnome terminal fired up gaim and I got absolutely nothing out of gaim. What am I doing wrong? I get nothing out of that app. On Wed, 2005-08-10 at 21:19 +0100, Bill Haneman wrote: > HI Cody: > > The problems you are having are related but have slightly different root > causes. In order for gnopernicus (or any Gnome accessibility client) to > work properly, the application must implement the necessary > accessibility interfaces and load a "bridge" through which it > communicates to the AT-SPI accessibility framework. KDE applications > don't yet do this, although the KDE team has been working to support > AT-SPI in the KDE 4 timeframe. For best results with Mozilla, you'll > need one of the 'Sun builds' of Mozilla, which are periodically > published to this mailing list and can be downloaded in source code form > and I believe as RPMs for some platforms as well. > > For Gaim, things should work OK for you if you first set a special > GTK_MODULES variable in your environment. There is a distinction that > can be made between applications that base their entire user interface > on gtk+, and those that depend on more of the Gnome libraries. at > startup if assistive technology support is needed, but the second type > of program gets notified automatically "Gtk+-only" or "pure Gtk+" > programs (including Gaim) do not. So to make Gaim work you need to set > GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge from the command line (the syntax depends on > your setup, probably either "setenv GTK_MODULES gail:atk-bridge" or > "export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge" will do it, then start 'gaim' from > the same command line. > > You may find more useful information you want in the appendices to the > Gnome 2.10 Accessibility Guide: > http://gnome.org/learn/access-guide/2.10/ > > HTH > > Bill > > > Hurst, Cody wrote: > > > Hello I'm having some issues with gnopernicus. I've done my research and > >google reports that the instant messenger GAIM works with gnopernicus but > >when i truied to use it, gnopernicus will not read anything. Evolution seems > >to work fine, but KMail does the same thing as gaim, reads nothing. I can't > >get to the menu bar, if there is one, and I can't read anything in it. I'm > >also having issues with Mozilla web browser, and I've also tried conqueror. > >I can't use anything other then evolution email really. now I haven't > >upgrade gnopernicus 0.10.4 on my SuSe 9.3 system to v 0.11.4 but I hope it > >has some improvments. its really a great project they shoujld keep working > >on. > > > >Thanx, > > > >Cody > > > >___ > >gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > >gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Evolution question.
Hi list, I noticed that evolution will allow me to send attachments but I can't figure out how to save attachments ffrom my emails. Does evolution allow saving of attachments or do I have to find another mail client to do this? Won of the things I need out of a mail client is to be able to send and recieve source code attachments and other things I need for my projects. One last question. Does newer versions of evolution have the problem fixed withgnopernicus speaking the sender and subject as you move down through the list of messages? I like evolution but hearing checked and unchecked and that is it is annoying. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Evolution question.
Hi, On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 16:53 +0800, Harry Lu wrote: > Which version of evolution are you using? I just checked rpm and it states i have evolution-2.0-43 installed. Perhaps I should upgrade to a newer version of Evolution from Mandrake cooker? > Anyway, in all version of evolution, if you receive a mail with > attachment, you will see a dropdown button in the mail body for each of > the attachment. Click on it, you will see a popup menu and you can > choose "Save As" menuitem to save the attachment. I can't find this button. Perhaps it is do to the version I am using? either that or gnopernicus doesn't see it? The to button has the same problem where gnopernicus can't find it. > For the gnopernicus speech problem, there is a related bug: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157622 > When the patch there is committed, you should be able to hear the > whole table line in verbose mode. I just added a comment to ask for the > status of the patch. Thanks. I will be greatful if this patch works. I use evolution as my mmain email client and anything to make it more accessible helps. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: gaim question
Hi, In game go to create new account and you can select what type of chat clients you want to use. On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 18:18 -0700, Opie Taylor wrote: > Hello all, > > when I type the following into konsole: > > export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge > > then I type > > gaim > > it will fire up gaim how ever it is only the AOL messenger and I know that > gaim has other services like paltalk, msn, yahoo, etc. How can I access > these other services? > > Cody > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Mozilla 1.7 and SuSE 9.3
Hi, On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 09:20 +0100, Darragh wrote: > Morning, > > I am atempting to install Mozilla 1.7 on a SuSE 9.3 installation however it > displays errors during make about incorrect or missing libraries. Is there a > later version of Mozilla which works with Gnopernicus and is the package > available as RPM? I'm hoping that if its available in RPM it will tell me > exactly what its missing. > If you really want to build from source, not necessary, you should install the Gnome development system. I don't know if Suse has an option for this in YAST, but that is the majority of the packages you will need. > I read the list archive about installing 1.7 written by Thomas ward some time > ago which was very helpful. It was written for a Fedora Core user and the > --prefix was set to /usr. is this not /opt/ in SuSE 9.3? > Most rpm based distributions I know of Mandrake Fedora, etc use /usr as the target prefix for packages. I don't assume Suse is much different. However, if you want to get the Linux tarball of the lates Sun Mozilla you can unpack it in /opt/mozilla and be on your way in minutes. I don't suggest compiling from source unless you wish to make a Suse package. Just grab the Fedora tarball of the April Sun Mozilla, unpack it in /opt, make a luancher for it, and you will be on the web soon. > This is the first of a few messages I'm going to send to the list this > morning so any help appreciated. > > Darragh > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Evolution and Email
Hi, As mentioned in a previous message Evolution 2.4 will have tthe best access when it comes out in a month, but the 2.2 version you have is not to shabby to start with. On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 09:25 +0100, Darragh wrote: > Hello again, > > I hear some of you talking about Evolution. I have version 2.2-1.7 installed > with Gnopernicus 0.10-4.4 and gnome-speech 0.3.6-4 on SuSE 9.3 will this work > well or should I be updating to a later version of something? If so could you > point me in the direction of its dependancies? > > Unfortunately I'm behind a firewall here which has blocked access to cvs so > I'm very limited in where I can download from. > > Thanks again, I've one more message to write. > > Darragh > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Latest version of Gnopernicus and where to get Orca
Hello, On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 09:31 +0100, Darragh wrote: > Hello yet again. > > Sorry if I'm cluttering up the list with questions. This is the last. > No problem. That is why this list exists. To get hte answer to questions. > Firstly, I'm using Gnopernicus 0.10.4-4 and I'm sure there have been > improvements made since it was packaged with SuSE 9.3. What is the latest > version and is it possible to download it from http or ftp? Unfortunately I'm > behind a firewall which doesn't allow downloading from CVS. > Yes. the latest version I believe is 0.11. You can get all update sources from: ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gnopernicus > Finally, I'd like to take a look at Orca but again, I'm looking for an ftp or > http server to download it from as I don't have access to CVS. > Orka is cvs only I believe. Although, I am sure someone can tarball the source for you if you want. > Has any one found RPM's of these packages? I'm probably just looking for the > easy way out but it takes a long time to compile these and their dependancies. I am going to be rolling some rpms for Mandriva soon which won't help in your case probably, but you are welcome to them if I get around to rolling the packages. What I would do in your case is get the rpm spec files from suse for gnopernicus, Mozilla, etc and modify them to reflect the newer versions and then run rpm-build on them to make the new packages. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Evolution and Email
Hi, You need to turn on caret tracking mode to make evolution accessible to read messages. On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 10:29 -0500, Kenny Hitt wrote: > Hi. > > Just what should be a simple question: how do you get Gnopernicus to > read a message? > > I seem to be stuck on the tool bar. I can get to what appears to be a > table called inbox, but I can't read any of the messages. > > I'm running the latest Gnopernicus and Evolution 2.2 under Gnome 2.10. > > Kenny > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: gnopernicus very slow,
Hi, I haven't noticed gnopernicus being slow here. However, I have slightly newer machine than you. I have a pentium 2 GB processor, 512 MB of ram, and 32 MB of vidio memory, and it works ok with responce. Although, this is with festival. When I try Dectalk or other sinths it seams to drag allot. On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 16:11 +0200, nidhal wrote: > Hello all, > I reinstalled gnome-speech and it works now properly with festival. > But, gnopernicus is very, very slow. Should modifie anything in the > gnome controle center to improve gnopernicus's performance ? For > information, i use suse 9.3 pro with a P3 866, 160 mb of ram. My video > card is integrated and use 32 mb of shared memory. >thanks in advance, > Nidhal. > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: What is the latest, accessibility release of mozilla
hI, On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 14:03 +0200, Willem van der Walt wrote: > Hi, > I would like to know as stated in the subject, or > alternativly, which > browser is > the most gnopernicus-friendly and where can I get it? yOU WANT THE sUN mOZILLA 1.7 BUILD FROM aPRIL 22005. yOU CCAN GET THE SUN BBUILDS FROM THE mOZILLA SFTP SITE: FTP://FTP.MOZILLA.ORG/PUB/MOZILLA.ORG/ACCESSIBILITY ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: FC4, sound card detection without running Firstboot?
Hi, On Sun, 2005-08-28 at 12:20 -0400, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > hello, > > just wondering how this can be done? I have a fresh install of FC4 and want > to get Festival working at the command line as well as in Gnome; However > sound has apparently not yet been detected. Is there a way to resolve this > without needing to go through Firstboot? Yes, this should be easy. First, run alsaconf to configure your sound card . then, use your favorite mixer like alsamixer or aumix to set the volume on your card. Be careful as some of your mixers may be muted to begin with. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: gnopernicus and web browsers
Hi, Sorry, I am a bit late, but I use the Sun Mozilla build from: ftp.mozilla.org The latest and most speech friendly is the April 2005 release. To read the entire web page you need to use the carrot browsing which can be turned on with f7. On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 20:56 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Could you tell me how to make gnopernicus read the whole internet page, > please? > What internet browser should I use? And then? > Thanks in advance. > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: gnopernicus and web browsers
You wrote: > "Sun's Mozilla accessibility engineers have put back most of the > accessibility > fixes from our branch into Mozilla trunk, and are now focusing on Firefox > accessibility." > > I have heard this before, but I am wondering what the Firefox status is right > now. Is there anything we can play or test with right now? Where would I find > the Sun firefox branch? > I am a really big fan of Firefox, and I can't wait to find one that is as > accessible as Mozilla 1.7 which I know is prbably still a ways off, but I > want to begin testing asap. > ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: software TTS
Hi, On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 11:09 -0500, George Kraft wrote: > Samuel & Daragh, > > I have the Linux IBM TTS running on Fedora Core 4. It needs ALSA > 1.0.9a, then you can test using /usr/bin/test-speech. > Interesting. What version of Viavoice do you have? I can't get it working on anything past fedora 1. > I'm curious as to what needs the Motif library? > that is likely for the graphical end of the application since that is a graphics ltoolkit. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: software TTS
Hi, How can I tell if my voice is aSwift or a Theta voice. I recently ppurchased David for Windows, and was wondering if it would work with Gnome-speech if I downloaded the Linux version and tried it. On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 12:04 +0100, Bill Haneman wrote: > Darragh: > > I've used gnome-speech drivers for Theta with very good results. So far > this seems to be the best choice for quality, cost, and reliability so > far. However, I don't know what the availability of the Theta voices is > like at the moment, as Cepstral has moved to a new product which they > call 'Swift'. Ask Will Walker about whether the gnome-speech Theta > drivers work with Swift... > > Bill > > Darragh wrote: > > >Hello, I'm looking for good software TTS. I don't mind paying for it at > >this stage as the apollo sounds horrible in my opinion and when using a > >laptop its not always practicle to plug it in. > > > >I'd like something that I can use on a few applications. At the moment I > >use/try depending on my mood Gnopernicus, Speakup, Yasr, Emacspeak, BrlTTY, > >and in a few weeks the SuSE sbl packages. > > > >So far I've tried Flite, F lite, Festivle and of course the apollo but all > >have sounded terrible or have been very sluggish. I've been told about a > >TTS package from ibm called ttsynth that works with gnopernicus and sbl so > >I'm thinking of buying that but I'd like your input first. Does it work > >with some or all of the above packages and is it responsive in the console > >and in Gnome? > > > >I've had the IBM viavoice package for years but never got it running. Today > >I almost got there however I had problems trying to find libXm.so.1 so I > >think that's going to be left for another very quiet day. > > > >Thanks. > > > >Darragh > >___ > >gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > >gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: software TTS
Hi, >From Windows the page is very accessible. From Mozilla under Linux it is a little tricky to use. It takes a little time, but I did manage to figure it out using gnopernicus and mozilla. On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 18:31 +0100, Bill Haneman wrote: > Hi Hank: > > That's "Theta", T H E T A. Cepstral, the company that produces them, is > now producing voices for their new engine, called 'Swift'. You can hear > demos of the voices here: > > http://www.cepstral.com/demos/ > > I am not sure how accessible that web page is, but it looks like a > standard forms page to me. > > Bill > > hank smith wrote: > > > where can I hear what the fada voices sound like? > > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: software TTS
Thanks for the info. On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 11:55 -0500, George Kraft wrote: > On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 10:02 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: > > Hi, > > On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 11:09 -0500, George Kraft wrote: > > > Samuel & Daragh, > > > > > > I have the Linux IBM TTS running on Fedora Core 4. It needs ALSA > > > 1.0.9a, then you can test using /usr/bin/test-speech. > > > > > Interesting. What version of Viavoice do you have? I can't get it > > working on anything past fedora 1. > > Linux IBM TTS Runtime 6.7-4.2. You can buy of copy of it from > http://www.ttsynth.com > > Also, here are instructions how to get gnome-speech using IBM TTS > without having to disturb the existing desktop runtime images. > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317249 > ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Gnome and support for the visually impaired
Hi, Bill is right. We shouldn't sell the Gnome access to short yet. After all there is work that needs to be done, but we have achieved huge breakthroughs in access already. For example, three years ago i could do nothing at all in Gnome. Now, I daily use Evolution for my email, mozilla as my default web browser, gedit as my text editor for programming, and Open Office is doing more work that is MS Office, although Opencalc leaves much to be desired over Excel. Especially, with the new Window Eyes support for Excel open source needs to catch up. In addition now that I got gaim working I use that as my default AOL instant messenger. Gnome maybe not at a one to one footing with Windows access, and at this point we can't brab xforge and expect it to work. However, that doesn't mean gnopernicus and orka etc haven't mmade huge progress already. Hth. On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 15:15 +0100, Bill Haneman wrote: > Samuel: > > It is vital to our survival that we do not agree too quickly with such > people. We do already have end users who are using gnopernicus to carry > our their daily work; without our existing work, as it already is, this > would not be possible. > > There are four open source assistive technologies directly using the > AT-SPI framework already, and two of them are screenreaders. Both are > under active development, so we should be careful not to undersell what > we have achieved. I agree that there is a lot of work left to do, but > we have the great advantage of having done the work in the open where > all can contribute to its improvement. > > Bill > > Samuel Thibault wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >Dave Lister, le Thu 29 Sep 2005 21:33:45 +0800, a écrit : > > > > > >>The following have emailed Mass. regarding the lack of support in Open > >>Source for the blind or visually impaired. Do you have any information to > >>the contrary. If so do you mind informing them of such. > >> > >> > > > >Well, I cannot but say that I unfortunately do agree with those people: > >really usable graphical screen reader don't yet exist on linux. And > >these people need to use graphical application for their jobs. > > > >There _are_ efforts on this, and on the long run those people will > >really have _better_ access to free software than to proprietary > >software (so that shifting to free software _is_ a good idea). But > >for now, it seems that gnopernicus is far from providing the same > >accessibility as JAWS. > > > >My 2¢, > >Regards, > >Samuel > >___ > >gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > >gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Gnome and support for the visually impaired
hI, sNIP 2. Close your eyes and do something so that you can't see anything. > Are you really blind, now ? Ok, so: > 3. Switch on your computer, choose any graphical mailer you like, > and try to reply to this mail _without_ opening your eyes. > Just use a speech system, or a braille one, if you have one you know > well enough. > > Now... I'm waiting for your blindly sent reply. > eND sNIP > i AM TOTALLY BLIND AND i AM ABLE TO SEND AND REVIEVE EMAIL USING eVOLUTION 2.2 WITH GNOPERNICUS SO YOUR POINT IS MUTE. i HAVE BEEN USING GNOPERNICUS FOR MONTHS TO USE EMAIL SO YOUR POINT IS WHAT? THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE? iF SO THAT ISN'T TRUE. i HAVE BEEN TOTALLY BLIND FOR YEARS, AND HAVE BEEN USING A GRAPHICAL EMAIL PROGRAM IN GNOME FOR MONTHS. tRUE EVOLUTION 2.0 WAS NOT SO GREAT. vERSION 2.2 AND i ASSUME 2.4 HAS BETTER SUPPORT THAT THAN. iT IS POSSIBLE, BUT NO NOT AS ACCESSIBLE AS SAY oUTLOOK dESTRESS. mY APOLOGIES IF i AM WRONG, BUT THE TONE OF YOUR MESSAGE SEAMS TO SUGGEST IT ISN'T POSSIBLE TO EFFECTIVELY DO MAIL IN gNOME. iT IS, BUT MAYBE NOT AS PERFECT AS YOU WOULD LIKE. iN TIME IT WILL IMPROVE, AND IS IMPROVING. On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 19:27 +0200, Sébastien Hinderer wrote: > Hi Sun folks & other listers. > > Bill Haneman : > > Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > > >... > > > > > > > > >They say "open source is not accessible", which is wrong, but what is > > >true is "open source is not yet really accessible". > > > > > I do not agree with this assessment. > > [snip] > > Hey Bill. Just for an experience, please do the followingthings : > > 1. Switch off your computer. > 2. Close your eyes and do something so that you can't see anything. > Are you really blind, now ? Ok, so: > 3. Switch on your computer, choose any graphical mailer you like, > and try to reply to this mail _without_ opening your eyes. > Just use a speech system, or a braille one, if you have one you know > well enough. > > Now... I'm waiting for your blindly sent reply. > > Sébastien. > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Gnome and support for the visually impaired
hI, i CAN'T SPEAK FOR BRAILLE SUPPORT, BUT i CAN SSPEAK FOR SPEECH. i HAVE USED GNGNOPERNICUS FOR MONTHS USING FESTIVAL AS MY SOFTWARE TTS TO GO ON LINE USING mOZILLA aPRIL 20005 TO BUY AND SELL ON THE LINE, PAY BILLS, USE EVOLUTION FOR EMAIL, WORK WITH oPENWRITER, AND GEDIT. i USE GAIM FOR aol INSTANT MESSENGING, AND A FEW OTHER ODDS AND ENDS. nO MY ACCESS DIDN'T COME RIGHT OF THE BOX. i HAD TO COCOMPILE THINGS FROM RAW SOURCE ETC, BUT ONCE SRUNG TOGETHER i AM QUITE EFFECTIVE IN GNOME FOR WORKING. hERE IS AN INTERESTING THING TO CHEW ON. iN jUNE MY wINDOWS xp SYSTEM GOT WHIPED OUT BY A VIRUS. i WAS STUCK IN GNOME FOR AN ENTIRE WEEK. yOU KNOW WHAT? i WASN'T EFFECTED MUCH AS i HAD MOZILLA FOR WEB, EVOLUTION FOR MAIL, GEDIT FOR PROGRAMMING, ooPoPENWRITER, ETC. i WON'T CLAME ACCESS TWAS PERFECT OR AS GOOD AS IT SHOULD BE, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE TO USE. On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 10:40 +0200, Sébastien Hinderer wrote: > Hi Bill, > > Congratulations ! You did it ! > And it's nearly as well written as what you would produce with eyes > opened, I guess. > > My guess is that Gnopernicus' support for speech is much, much better > than what it is for braille, cause I could certainly not do what you did > in braille, I think. > > My personal conclusion is that, indeed, it seems thas a11y of graphical > applications is in progress. But still: I don't believe it is as good as > a11yof text mode apps, for the moment. > That said, and as other underlined already, open source is a wonderful > opportunity to produce a fully accessible system, and we _must_ take > advantage of such an opportunity. > > By the yay, Bill: since you seem verygood at doing things blindly with > your computer, I might suggest you other challenges in the future (like > ordering products on the web). If you are kind enough to accept them, > your success will be a wonderfully strong motivation for me to try > Gnopernicus myself. > > Cheers, and congratulations again, > Sébastien. > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Gnome and support for the visually impaired
Hi Bill, Here is some user feedback from a user using Gnome, and what I would like to see access for in htenear and not to distant future. 1. Support for Mozilla firefox. Firefox has become almost the industry leader in web browsers, and it would be the best choice for the Sun Java and Gnome desktops. 2. Improve support for EEvolution to make it as speech friendly as say Outlook Express. For anyone in business Evolution is a very handly tool. One can keep appointments, keep addressed, asign tasks, and email from one tool. I would like to see it mature. 3. Improved support for Staroffice and Openoffice. It is probably safe to say most visually impared Windows users use Microsoft Office. Word and Excel especially. I know I have allot of Word and Excel documents, and would love to completely do all the work in Staroffice or openoffice. However, for some reason I don't get the same level of access to Opencalc as Excel. Were I to have that level of access I would likely never touch MS Office again. Smile. 5. Improve gnucash to make it accessible. I often have to keep track of my finances by using Quicken and unfortunately Gnome does not offer an app that accessible. I feel if these five areas could be met Gnome could be a quite productive place forpersons with disabilities. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Gnome and support for the visually impaired
Well, I would like to certainly here if the caps key changed state like caps on or caps off. I guess that is because I am use to the WWindows screen readers do it. However, there may be other methods such as a feature say cap t, cap acap b, etc when the caplock key is on and when the shift keys are used. On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 15:54 +0100, Bill Haneman wrote: > Dave Mielke wrote: > > Hi Dave: > > You are absolutely right about the case-inversion problem. Perhaps I > would have noticed if I were using braille, but it's a problem that > bites many users. Peter and I have mentioned this to the gnopernicus > team before. > > It's not totally clear what the best solution is. If, for instance, we > announced when the CapsLock key changed state, I might not hear the > message or it might have gotten interrupted by some other message. If > gnopernicus announced each shift state change, would that be too > annoying? At least I might notice that pressing "shift" was causing > gnopernicus to say "lower case" (for instance) instead of "upper case". > > Who would like to file the bug? I am guessing this is a gnopernicus RFE. > > Bill > > >[quoted lines by Bill Haneman on 2005/09/30 at 09:12 +0100] > > > > > > > >>mY TOUCH TYPING IS A LITTLE > >>ROUGH TOO. > >> > >> > > > >Please note that one of the problems you encountered, which would indeed make > >an employee of a company look stupid, is that you had the case inverted, > >i.e. > >that which should've been lowercase was in uppercase and vice versa. This is > >such a simple thing, yet it'd make such a bad (and wrong) impression. It's > >little things like this which users would notice because it'd make others > >notice them and incorrectly perceive incompetence. > > > > > > > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: how to use gnopernicus?
Hi, I can testify that Mandriva formally Mandrake versions 2005 and 2006 work quite well with gnopernicus. However, there are some challenges to over come. I haven't found an accessible sightless install for mandrake or Mandriva produc products, and the os doesn't install gnopernicus by default. I had to mamanually find the gnopernicus rpms and dependancies I wanted and needed and install manually. Tricky for a new user but fine if you know exactly what Mandrake doesn't install and knows what order to install in. On Sat, 2005-10-01 at 22:00 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > I don't recommend fedora core 4 for this level of user. The reason is, > the way speakup screen reader which does the reading before gnopernicus > starts up still has to be installed. Fedora core 3 the speakup-enabled > version from the isos was the only distribution of Linux I've been at all > successful in getting gnopernicus to say anything and that was only as a > result of the help provided by Don Raikes and his cfg-gnome script. For > whatever reason I couldn't get slackware or debian talking and can't > download the talking version of ubuntu to try it out because being on a > flakey dsl dynamic ip connection with verizon.net isn't conducive to > running bittorrent even if I knew how to run bittorrent which I right now > don't. The way you get speakup on fedora core 4 was explained by janina > sagka over on the speakup list and is definitely not for even relatively > new linux users. Where in solaris 10 can you read how to get solaris 10 > to do a talking installation and how to keep it talking after > installation? I haven't downloaded those isos yet (verizon.net) again > yet. Also are those available on an rsync server, if I do downloads I > like to get full integrity versions of isos the first time thanks very > much. > > > > On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Peter Korn wrote: > > > Greetings Chiara, > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> I already posted a similar question but I didn't understand the answer and > >> I couldn't get my goal. > >> I would like you to give me the instructions to make gnopernicus read an > >> internet page. That's all. Could you do this? > >> Thank you. > >> Chiara Frassino > > > > To browse a web page with Gnopernicus and a web browser, do the following: > > > > 1. Get a UNIX or GNU/Linux distro with the GNOME desktop and Gnopernicus > > on it. Solaris 10 from Sun is a fine choice, but then I'm biased. > > There > > are numerous other alternatives. Fedora Core 4 seems to be a popular > > one. > > > > 2. Get either a recent build of Mozilla or Firefox, or for best results as > > of today, get the Sun accessibility branch of Mozilla 1.7. This can be > > found at: > > ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/accessibility/sun-mozilla-1.7/04-26-2005/ > > (for your pleasure we include both sources and a binary for Fedora). > > Note: if you have Solaris 10, you already have a pretty recent Sun > > build of Mozilla 1.7 > > > > 3. Launch Gnopernicus, or configure your desktop session to launch it > > automatically. Of course, ensure that GNOME desktop accessibility is > > also turned on. > > > > 4. Launch Mozilla. In Solaris 10 this is Ctrl-Esc, down-arrow 3 times, > > then > > or spacebar. > > > > 5. Press the F7 key to turn on caret navigation in a web page. You should > > only need to do this once; your caret navigation setting will be > > preserved across session. > > > > 6. Enter the URL of the page you want to go to. As focus is intially > > in the content area, Ctrl-Tab will bring you to the URL bar to do this. > > Alternately in the File menu is "Open Web Location...". Alt-F, L > > or Ctrl-Shift-L will bring up the URL-entry dialog box into which > > you can enter your URL. In either case, after typing in the URL, > > Press . Gnopernicus feedback when you go to the URL bar should > > be "Toolbar, single-line text, http://". In the > > case of the "Open Web Location" dialog, the Gnopernicus speech feedback > > should be: "Enter the Web location URL or specify the local file you > > would > > like to open. Single line text." > > > > 7. Focus will now be in the content region (if you used the URL bar), > > or on the URL bar (if you used the dialog box; wierd huh?). If the > > later, press Tab to get to the content region. In either case, the > > web page title will become the title bar of the Mozilla browser window > > and Gnopernicus will read it to you. Get to the content region if > > you aren't already there (with Tab), and then you can either read the > > web page by using the standard document arrow keys (left/right arrow > > to read by character, Ctrl-left/right arrow to read by word, up-down > > arrow to read by line, Home/End to get to the start/end of a line, > > and Ctrl-Home/End to get to the start/end of the web
Re: Anione out there using Mandriva (formerly mandrake)?
Hi, I use Mandriva Linux for my business I am building, but unfortunately I do not have any idea of an accessible install as yet. At least, not one that is easy. I can often do it by using a kickstart install that has been made for my computer. that is one of the advantages to Mandriva. Once you have a working kickstart you can usually use it over to install upgrades, reinstalls, etc. However, once up and running with some sighted help I can keep it running quite well with the Gnome desktop and apps. Especially the Sun Mozilla, Openoffice, etc. On Sun, 2005-10-02 at 10:31 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi gnome-accessibility-list, > > I'm currently running Debian Sarge but due to some factors, one of > them being that i can not use the Sun accessible Mozilla and the > other one being that it's hard to get latest versions of apps and > such as debian packages i'm thinking of switching to another distro. > I think i know the Linux basics and what i want is a distro where > it's easy to build from source as well as from packages, that can > run Suns accessible Mozilla and that's easy to install/maintain. Is > Mandriva a good choise for that? Someone else mentioned SuSe how > about that? > I know this is a matter of preference and i don't want to start a > flame war over distros, so please feel free to contact me off-list > at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with your > answers/suggestions/hints. Btw, is there a talking installation of > Mandriva somewhere? I have heard that there's Braille support, but > how about speech? > Thanks in advance. > > - -- > /Krister >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Get pgp keys here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) > > iD8DBQFDP5rdODlJeoMTOQsRAuVwAKDYJ/nEvkB+60rJAum9Ej5vKj0RjgCfVoLD > VwzvOvcnN541YXlEmkE8cSY= > =QY6z > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Orca 0.2.3
Janina Sajka wrote: I believe those two environments rely on "gui configuration tools," so I am not surprised people would talk about wanting "gui configuration tools." But, it's the wrong approach. Hello. I wouldn't go as far to say it is the wrong approach, but I do believe it should not be the only means of configuration. There will be those Windows converts who's major gripe with Linux and other gnu operating systems is there is not enough gui configuration. There are the console die-hards that absolutely want the power of the console. The only medium between the two extremes is to provide both methods of configuration. We must remember a console die-hard can't convert a gui die-hard to a console die-hard and the other way around. So providing both I feel is the best solution here. One last point Janina's point of view generally stems from the contention if the gui isn't properly configured for access then the console must be used. This is true. However, if the gui is working with accessibility then there is nothing saying the gui screen reader like Orca can't be used to do configurations in a gui environment, and gui tools can be used. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: keystrokes for gnome menus
Hi Michael, To open the Gnome main panel menu, the start menu, use alt+f2. Note, if you don't like alt+f2 and later wish to change it to be control+escape it can be done in your Gnome settings. I highly recommend reading the good Gnome documents at gnome.org. It will give you all the hot keys you need to get started in Gnome. MICHAEL WEAVER wrote: Someone has helped me get Linux running on my compaq laptop and has managed to get Gnopernicus starting after loggin. I know I still have a lot of work to get properly going ie getting a keypad with a USB connection but how do I get to the gnome menus? what I mean is what is the Linux equivalent keystrokes for navigating the desktop ie start menu or whatever? I have Ubuntu Beta of Dapper Drake and Gnopernicus seems to be now coming up after loggin. I would like to at least do some work to familarise myself with the Gnome environment so I will get an idea of the basics? I assume I can't do CTRL escape to get to the different areas of Gnome menus like in XP. I need some basics so I can shut down, loggout or whatever so some information would be useful. I am still a newby to Linux and I can't really ask anyone for help as regards getting out of my system as I live on my own and my family don't know their waqy around Linux. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Gnome and Ubuntu 6.06?
Hi, list. This might seam like a really stupid question, but I have been hearing allot about Ubuntu Linux which I'd like to try, and don't have a fricking clue on how to get it up and working. I have spent hours reading the Ubuntu sight and can't even find a basic install guide for it. So here is the question. What do I need to get a basic Ubuntu system up and running with gnome 2.14 and gnopernicus or orca? While I am at it it might help to tell me what disk I need the desktop, server, or other disk image. I've already got the desktop disk and can't figure how to install it nor can I find the packages on the disk so I am all screwed up with this distribution. As I said I need someone to help me with the very very very basics of even stalling, setup, and telling me what is what. I know nothing about Ubuntu and they have like 0 setup and install guides that I can find. Any help? Thanks. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Gnome and Ubuntu 6.06?
Hi, Jason. Thanks for the information. I just read through the Debian installation manual, and while it seams strait forward I don't think it reflects what I am seeing as far as Ubuntu 6.06 desktop version. Now, the manual did mention using a preconfiguration script which would allow one to do an autoinstall of Debian. I wonder if the same is true for Ubuntu, and how much different is the preconfiguration script etc from Debian in Ubuntu. As I am blind and don't have much help around an autoinstallation or a terminal install is esentual for me getting this thing on my system. So I will be doing this the hard way. Wish more distributions were like Fedora and allowed for autoinstalls, telnet installs, and terminal installs. My hope and desire is to run say an autoinstall have it get it on, reboot in to gnome, and fire up gnopernicus after login. Is that a reasonable expectation for Ubuntu or am I barking up the wrong tree. I can do this with Fedora but can't do this with most other distributions, but I am hoping Ubuntu will be able to do this as well. Jason White wrote: > Ubuntu is based on the Debian GNU/Linux distribution, and reputedly uses an > installer based on Debian's. Thus you may find the Debian installation guide > helpful for the basic operating system installation process. > http://www.debian.org/ (look under "documentation"). > > I am sure Ubuntu users subscribed to this list will suggest how you can most > easily set it up to run Gnopernicus, Orca or whatever you need. > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Gnome and Ubuntu 6.06?
Hi, Ben. What happens if you don't have an internet connection at the time. I am assuming from your post the Ubuntu desktop cd doesn't contain gnopernicus. If not I am basicly screwed. Anyone know if the server eddition or the alternative install version has gnopernicus? I need to get this thing installed, fire up gnopernicus, basicly without sighted aid, and once I have speech up I can add packages, setup internet connection, etc. ben mustill-rose wrote: > Hi. > > I am also new to ubuntu, and installed it some time ago with sighted > assistanse. > > I downloaded the desktop 6.06 iso and berned it to a cd. > You will need sighted help to install this and to install gnopernicus or orca. > Once you have everything set up, click aplications, (alt f1) and click > manage programs; (i don't think its called that, but its something > like that). > If you are connected to the internet, a list of programs that you can > download will load, just find gnopernicus in there. > Note that orca is not in this list, and that i have had PROBLEMS using > gnopernicus along side ubuntu 6.06 and gnome. > > BEN. > ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: followup on Ubuntu (fwd)
Hi, Ryan. Yes, an unattended install of Ubuntu 6.06 is possible, but without solid install manuals from the Ubuntu comunity on the subject is a rather bloody and tough process. I mainly compiled what I know from the Debian archives of manuals, and managed to get Ubuntu on my system. Still haven't gotten much further, but am getting closer to the final goal. It is on and basicly working at this point. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Ubuntu and gnopernicus problem.
Hi, list. Ok, after an entire day of trying I do have a working Ubuntu 6.06 desktop system on my pc. Only during the process I have discovered what may be a very major bug in either Ubuntu's gnome-panel, gnopernicus, or both. If I do an alt+f2 to bring up Run, type gnopernicus, I get an error about gnome-panel quitting unexpectedly. Basically, I can not get gnopernicus to be run manually. However, when i got sighted help over to help solve the issue my dad went in to assistive technology support, turned everything on I needed, I restarted, and all was well with access. However, I am concerned about this issue as for those of us who might choose an unattended install this will pose a huge problem getting speech going if it crashes everytime you run gnopernicus from run. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Gnome and Ubuntu 6.06?
Hi. Thanks for the tip. I finally figured that out after trial and error, but thankfully got it now on my system. Jan and Bertil Smark Nilsson wrote: > Thomas, > > I've a feeling that you've downloaded the wrong ISO. For what you want to > do, You'll need the alternate install image from Ubuntu. There, you'll > also find an installation manual. I suggest you download > ubuntu-6.06-alternate-i386.iso if you have an Intel processor. > > Good luck! > > Bertil Smark Nilsson > ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Dectalk version?
Hi, list. I wanted to setup the Fonix dectalk up with gnome-speech, but I was wondering which version works best with gnome-speech 4.6.4 or 5.0. The Dectalk Mike used for the csun demo of Orca sounded pretty good, and I was wondering if that was 4.6.4 or 5.0. If it is 5 I'll upgrade so I can have the same quality speech and stability demonstrated. Thanks. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Dectalk version?
Hi, Mike. Do you know if 5.0 will work as well. I don't see any major reason to say not, but I am just wondering if you guys have any issues with 5 and gnome-speech. If not I'll test it and let you guys no. Thanks. Mike Pedersen wrote: > Hi Thomas, >> I wanted to setup the Fonix dectalk up with gnome-speech, but I was >> wondering which version works best with gnome-speech 4.6.4 or 5.0. > The demonstration was done with 4.6 which is what I use every day. Mike > > ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Dectalk version?
Hi, Mike. Yeah, I have 4.6.1 and 5.0 but not 4.6.4. I haven't tested with gnome-speech, but Dectalk 5 seams to work good with Emacspeak as far as stability. 4.6.1 is terrible. Mike Pedersen wrote: > Hi, let me clarify here. I'm using Dectalk 4.6.4 which is much more > stable than the 4.6.1 release that some may be using. Mike > Mike ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Dectalk 5 test results.
Hi, all. I have been spending the past couple of hours testing Dectalk 5 with Orca 0.25, gnome-speech 04.0, on Ubuntu 6.06 and it is working fine. So we can certainly say for sure that it does work with current assistive technologies under Linux. In fact the only strange thing I noticed is when I ran test-speech after installing Dectalk 5 and building gnome-speech 04.0 test speech identified it as running 4.6.1 which has never been installed on this Ubuntu installation. Some good things I noticed is Dectalk 5 is certainly more responsive than Dectalk 4.6.1 or festival. Sounds better than either goes without saying. Smile. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: followup on Ubuntu (fwd)
Hi. Jan and Bertil Smark Nilsson wrote: You can always mount the ISO. That is only true if the person actually has a Linux system installed and can mount the iso to view it's contents. In my own recent experience I installed Ubuntu 6.06 to a brand new drive where no os was on it as I was having problems with my old drive which I removed from the machine and replaced and had no Linux os to view the iso file. While it was not the case for me I can also see some user coming from a Windows background who wouldn't have access to a Linux os to mount the iso and read it, and probably wouldn't know how if he or she did. So having these install notes, guides, etc in an alternative location and form is very helpful to someone just starting out. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Dectalk 5 test results.
Hi Al Puzzuoli wrote: i'm not sure how much you could ascertain by listening to the orca demo at csun,but I would be curious as to what your thoughts are as to the speech quality of 4.64 vs that of 5? There is certainly a difference in quality between 4.6.4 and 5.0. The 4.6.4 version used at the csun conference sounded to me quite a bit like the classic Dectalk voice. With the 5.0 version I noticed the voice sounds like it has a head cold, kind of a stuffed nose sound, and also a bit of a foreign accent or something to it. I am sure you have heard IBM TTS, and the new Dectalk sounds like a cross between IBM TTS and Dectalk, and that is the best I can explain it. Personally, the new voice doesn't bother me that much, and I still like it although I would have rathered it stay the classic voice, but the new is ok by me. I can certainly understand Dectalk purests wishing for the classic Dectalk sound, but compared to FreeTTS, Festival, etc Dectalk 5 is still superior for day to day use and quality of speech in my opinion. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Dectalk 5 test results.
Hi Adam Myrow wrote: There is also a very annoying bug in the Dectalk 5.0. If you use any of several compound words that start with "fire," it pronounces them weirdly with a phantom Euro symbol getting inserted, then proceeds to butcher the rest of the line. Anybody else hear this? No, I haven't, but I will certainly open up gedit next time I reboot and give it a try. That Sounds like a bug that needs to be reported to Fonix if it is still true. Fortunately, those are uncommonn for me to use so perhaps I won't have to face that bug to much. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Dectalk 5 test results.
Adam Myrow wrote: On another note, does Fonix still offer the Dectalk RT for Linux? Yes, they do. However, when I purchased Dectalk 5 I had to jump through hoops on there web site to find the Dectalk RT page, and there site is not accessible for a blind user. I had to actually acquire sighted help finding the DTRT page, and then my sighted help said the link for the Dectalk was actually blacked out on the page so he couldn't find it either at first except he noticed there was this link that was hard to see he clicked on and it was the correct page. A real pain if you ask me. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: question about odd distro
Cody wrote: > Hello all, Hi. > > I was wondering, after a bit of googling, I found this distro called > Ocularis, and it had claimed to be completely accessible to the blind > and only for the blind, and yes, it had a desktop, of which I'm > guessing gnome. H I have never heard of this distribution so it must have been a short term project. Certainly it doesn't sound like it was well known. > I wanted to try it to see how it was, but couldn't find it anywhere. > They had said Source Forge had it for download, but I checked, and it > said that there were no files for that project, yet it was listed anyways. Well, if the project is now dead that is probably a good reason the download mirrors are drying up. > They had said the project was discontinued Dec of 05, so it's still > fairly new, but yet, no isos. Well, if the last version was last December than it's accessibility isn't going to be the same as you could get with Fedora Core 5 or Ubuntu. Both Fedora and Ubuntu have gnome 2.14 as well as Orca 0.2x packages which are up to date and seam to work well accessibility wize out of the box. Even if it was using Gnome it is likely running Gnome 2.10 or Gnome 2.12 tops. Better to go to a stable more known distribution. Smile. > > Cody > > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 6/30/2006 > ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Saving Orca settings.
Hi, all. I know that Orca is suppose to have a --setup option wich will setup Orca, but from in gnome terminal when I do orca --setup it does absolutely nothing. Any ideas what to do about that? Some of the things I want to do and I don't know if it is supported yet or not is save Dectalk speech pitch, volume, and rate settings for orca. When I log in it would be nice to have speech set to say 300 words a minute, voice Paul, and Pitch something like 110. I also would like to be able to setup muy flat review keys to something like Harry so it is different from Paul. Can this be done in Orca? I know it works in gnopernicus. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Dectalk 5 test results.
Hi, Hank. A little earlier Al posted a direct link to buy the Dectalk software, and I just tested this address and you can get dectalk 4.6.4 or 5.0 using this link. Here is again incase you missed it. http://www.fonixspeech.com/pages/dectalk_rt_purchase.php Cheers. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: auto unattended installation of Ubunto?
Hi, Hank. hank smith wrote: > hello is it possible to do a auto unattended installation of Ubunto? Yes, it is. it is a bit of a pain to do it, but you need to write a unattend.cfg file, put it somewhere the installer can find it, and then pass the file name and other options to the installer at the boot prompt. I think the best place for your custom unattend file would be to mount your alternative install iso, copy it to the image, and then when installing pass it your cdrom location. I am still learning unattended installs myself, and by no means have it down to an exact science yet although I plan to be testing it some more on a laptop for practice. > also is the orca packages up to date in that version? Orca doesn't come with Ubuntu, but you can get a package from Ubuntu Universe. Actually, after checking the package I installed was not 0.25 so it isn't the latest. In that case you'll want to grab gnome-devel, python-dev, build-essentials, etc and custom build orca. The gnopernicus that comes with Ubuntu can help you with that much of the install of orca. Cheers. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: followup on Ubuntu (fwd)
Hi. Jan and Bertil Smark Nilsson wrote: For someone just starting out, I'd say that a live distribution such as GRML or Knoppix would be the simplest way to find out about Linux. Agreed. That would be the best way for a total new user to try out Linux, and that is a good point. Although, that still doesn't address the fact one of my major complaints about Ubuntu's documentation was that I have been using Linux distributions since the late 90's on and off, so I wasn't a complete new user to Linux, but I was clueless as to how to install and setup Ubuntu in particular. All I was looking for was some documentation on the web site or somewhere easy to find so I could read what needed to be done to get it installed successfully and hopefully on my own. Fortunately, we have the ubuntu.com/access ppage which is a good starting point for this purpose. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: accessible distros
Hi, Cody. Well, I'm quite happy with Ubuntu 6.06 at the moment. It's desktop cd comes with most of the apps you want out of the box such as gaim, evolution, firefox, gedit, etc. It is fairly accessible, and I have been using it for a couple of days now, and I can't complain to much about Ubuntu 6.06 other than some crashes that I don't understand why they happen. The only thing you will probably want to do extra is use apt-get to grab build-essentials, gnome-devel, python-dev, and a few other development things. Cody wrote: > Hi all, > > Another post in one day. I've been a distro hopper for a while, and > can't find the right distribution. I was just wondering what the most > accessible distributions were. I would mainly do things like instant > message, web browsing, document editing, and maybe some programming. I > want to be able to install software myself and be able to configure it > easily. I just can't find the right distro for this. So what do most > visually impaired/blind users use as their distro? Or, what is the > most widely used distribution. I'd also use Orca for my screen reader > not gnopernicus. > > Cody > > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 > ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: accessible distros
Hi. Jason White wrote: As long as the access software you need has been packaged for your chosen distribution, it doesn't matter much which you select from the point of view of accessibility. That is true, but right now it seams Fedora Core 5 and Ubuntu 6.06 are on the leading edge of accesssibility features and software. Both come with Gnome 2.14, and other distributions seam to be gnome 2.12 or less. Also, the Debian packaging system (used in both Debian and Ubuntu) allows you to make major upgrades without re-installing the operating system, which is a real advantage over, for example, Fedora Core. Yes, apt is a powerful upgrade and removal tool. Coming from a Fedora/Red Hat background apt-get and synaptic were a nice suprise. It makes getting updates for accessibility quick and easy. It is very user friendly, and does a nice job of getting just what you need and not anything you don't. (As I understand it, Fedora systems can be upgraded without a re-install but it isn't officially supported, unless that has changed recently). Well, there is yum in Fedora which is something like apt-get. It will do about the same thing, but I have no idea if it is officially supported or not. There are more packages available, at better quality, in Ubuntu and Debian as well. I'm not sure I can fully agree with that statement. Fedora has a huge range of packages which work well together out of the box. It's gnome accessibility is pretty good as it stands now in 5. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Help recovering from orca crashes.
Hi, all. Ok, well I have been running orca 0.25 with gnome-speech 0.4.0 and festival and Dectalk 5. I've noticed orca crashes quite often unexpectedly, and the only way to get speech back is to reboot from scratch. Some notes about the problem. When orca crashes all sound, speech, and system sounds are completely stopped. When logging out, and back in the desktop sound effects are totally silent and won't work. Also opening gnome-terminal and doing aplay path-tofile/some-sound.wav refuses to play the wav file I attempt to point aplay to. My theory is when orca crashes and even if orca itself is completely killed there is still some background process that has ahold of the sound card. So the next time I log in and start x nothing can access the sound card. I've noticed even at a shell emacspeak and other apps won't work either using the sound card. First, is there anyway to fix this without a total reboot? Second, do I need to file a bugzilla report on this? I'm certain someone else has had to have this problem as it happens both with festival and dectalk so I can't blame the sinth for the lock. It's either orca or gnome-speech which is my guess. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Help recovering from orca crashes.
Hello, Mike. Mike Pedersen wrote: This may be a case of the entire desktop getting hung. That is a strong possability. I noticed when orca goes I can't even get to run and open gnome-terminal and often I have to control+alt+f1 over to a shell to kill orca to get gnome freed up. Are you at least running orca 0.2.5? Yes, I am. After getting Ubuntu setup and working I used Willie Walker's Orca tutorial and grabbed gnome-speech 0.4.0 and orca 0.25 from gnome ftp, uninstalled the Ubuntu packages, and compiled, and installed from source. So my versions of orca and gnome-speech are up-to-date with ftp current stable releases. If this happens, try switching to another vertual terminal for example with: CTRL+ALT+F1 and kill -9 orca and festival-synthesis-driver. So as I understand it if I am running with festival the command would be killall -9 orca killall -9 festival-synthesis-driver Is that correct? Stability is always a top priority for the orca team so more work will be coming in this area very soon. Great. I can't wait for some more stability. I like the guys you are doing, but orca needs more stability before it will be my day to day solution. Thanks. Mike ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Help recovering from orca crashes.
Mike Pedersen wrote: > A minor error in my last message. That should have been killall -9. > Also, you will need to of course restart orca after doing this. Thanks I caught that the first time, but I am glad you sent the correction anyway. Smile. > Mike ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Gnopernicus vs Orca
Hi, Christian. Christian wrote: > Hello all, > Maybe someone on this list can tell me what is better with Orca compared with > Gnopernicus. Orca has allot of future promise as a screen reader. Some of it's major advantages over gnopernicus is being able to be scripted for apps that are not behaving correctly, and it's flat review keys are better as well. > Can I get better access with Orca when it comes to reviewing the screen with > the virtual focus or simular? > Yes. The flat review mode works just about in every application and can give you a pretty good layout of the screen and has good navigation of toolbars and menubars. The only two exceptions I can think of are Firefox and Thunderbird where flat review doesn't work at all. Although, most of the time using standard application keys is good enough to get around the app. > Many thanks, > Christian > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: Gnopernicus vs Orca
Hello. Christian wrote: > I am running latest version of Debian, is it easy to get Orca up and running? > It wasn't to hard for me. What you need is Gnome 2.14, gnome-devel, python-dev, build-essentials, and of course the orca 0.25 source. Compile as normal and you are off and running. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: which file for Orca
Hello, Michael. It doesn't matter if you get a *.tar.gz or a *tar.bz2 package as you can easily uncompress them both with tar. However, the bz2 package is better compressed, smaller, so if you are on dialup it makes it easier to grab. The current version I have is 0.2.6 which I compiled from raw sources. MICHAEL WEAVER wrote: > Which file should I download for the latest version of Orca if the one > packaged > for Ubuntu in Universe is out of date or doesn't it matter as to which > format type > is used? > Do I need the one with the .ta extention or the .bz2 extention? > I might be able to burn the two zipped files to CD but I don't know if > both would > try to be uncompressed at the same time and cause a problem if I put > the CD in my > laptop which is why I ask which file extention? > I would be doing it this way because I am getting help to install Orca > from someone > at a couple of LUGs I attend. > ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: purchasing software dectalk
Hello, Michael. The software tts engine being used at CSUN was the Dectalk RT for Linux version 4.6.4.However, the newer 5.0 version will work as well with Orca, but some feel the new 5 voice isn't as good as 4.6.4. Anyway, the Fonix web site is a real pain to use. Since I have saved this in my favorites here is the direct url to get to the Linux Dectalk RT purchase page. http://fonixspeech.com/pages/dectalk_rt_purchase.php MICHAEL WEAVER wrote: > I was trying to get a decent software synthesiser for when I eventually > get Orca > running. > I heard the demo of Orca being used with a nice sounding synthesiser, > possibly the > dectalk only when I use my Windows Screenreader to download this > synthesiser or > purchase it, the onclick seems not to do anything on the website for this. > The default synthesiser I heard when trying to run Gnopernicus wasn't > the best sounding > of things, the speech was understandable just about but I use a laptop > at my Linux > grou[p and it tends to get nosy in Vox Bar or all the upstairs noise > comes down > to those of us discussing Linux. > How can I either get this synthesiser or if not could someone suggest > one that might > work just as well as the Dectalk? > On the website it talked about it being a good synthesiser in a noisy > background > which you can say Vox Bar is as it is a student place I think. > Hope someone can help. > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: dectalk for linux and orca
Hi, Michael. Yes, you must install Dectalk before setting up orca. You also need to recompile gnome-speech to create the Dectalk driver. Hth. MICHAEL WEAVER wrote: > Do I need to unzip and install Dectalk before I setup Orca? > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: dectalk for linux and orca
Hi, Cody. Well, you will have to first install the Dectalk RT for Linux, uninstall gnome-speech, and recompile gnome-speech from scratch to get the driver. As for orca I have always built my orca from cvs sources, and can not say one way or another if you will have to reinstall orca. I believe Orca should just find the new drivers and hopefully cope. If it does not then you will have to reinstall and or compile orca. As for the Dectalk I don't believe they have a demo for Linux. However, I can say it is worth the %$50 you put out for it. Hth. Cody Hurst wrote: > HI all, > > I'm thinking about buying dectalk, but orca is already set up. does > this mean I need to uninstall orca, install dectalk and gnome-speech > then install orca again? Also, is there a demo I can try for linuc > before hand? > > Cody > ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: gnopernicus system requirements
Hi, Jude. I don't know of any limitations of using either one, but I personally like xorg. It is nicer to setup. Jude DaShiell wrote: > Does gnopernicus need or can it use xorg or is gnopernicus only needing > xfree86 to operate well? I have a choice as to what to install on debian. > > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: problem starting gnopernicus
Hello, Michael. There was a 22 year old girl trying to install Orca for me but she couldn't find where the Ubuntu package was downloaded. In order to download and install the orca package you must uncomment the universe lines from your apt package sources list. Then while connected to the web apt-get install orca will do it. However, the Ubuntu packages are not always up to date. You will best be served by compiling from orca source. I am trying to get Gnopernicus working in order to find the file for setting up Orca but although Gnopernicus has been checked on Start up, it doesn't seem to automatically launch after loggin and my way of running Gnopernicus doesn't seem to be working even when I leave the drive on my laptop to churn away for a few minutes before pressing for example Alt F1. Michael, I have noticed if you have system sounds turned on and gnopernicus tries to load the gnome sounds will interupt gnopernicus and orca, and they will crash on startup. Try turning off the gnome system sounds for events. If I try to run Gnopernicus using alt F2 and typing Gnopernicus, the Gnome pannel crashes. How can I get around these problems? This is a well known bug. You can't launch gnopernicus or orca directly from run. Your two solutions is either run gnopernicus from a gnome-terminal Window, or create a gnome-session which launches the screen reader automaticly upon log in. Note if gnopernicus is trying to run already and attempting to launch it manually will fail. However, to launch gnopernicus manually press alt++f2 type gnome-terminal followed by enter type gnopernicus Also what filename do I need to look for for the Orca setup? Orca is contained in the package gnome-orca-version.i386.deb However, to run orca setup you must be running 0.2.5 or later. The version on most of the Ubuntu mirrors in packages is 0.2.2. Although, I have heard some one has a 0.2.5 package they specially built for users such as yourself. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
Re: unzipping the latest orca and dectalk
Hi, Michael. > How do I unzip the files I downloaded from the Orca site which is the > latest Orca and also unzip my copy of Dectalk? > Michael, the program used for unzipping most things in Linux is called tar. Open a Gnome-terminal window so you have a command line. Cd to the directory where your files are such as cd downloads and then run the command tar to unpack the files. If unzipping a *.tar.gz file it is tar -xzf filename.tar.gz If it is a *.tar.bz2 package if memory serves me correctly the command is tar -xjf filename.tar.bz2 If you have any questions about tar a good place to look for answers is the tar manual. You can read the tar manual by doing man tar in gnome-terminal. Hth. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
